Perhaps I should have clarified and stated that I mean x86 Linux... However, the average home user (the ones that these cards are being aimed at) isn't going to be using an Alpha.
I also have an MX PCI, though I haven't had the same problem... You might want to ask on #nvidia on irc server irc.openprojects.net. There are usually some very helpful people on that channel.
nVidia has been very good for the past six months when it comes to Linux support (barring any debates over whether or not closed source drivers constitute good support), and given their relationship with SGI, that doesn't seem likely to change.
You've proven your ignorance by calling the nVidia drivers a "commercialized proprietary non-open source X11 server." The Server being used is open source and from XFree86. The driver itself, however, is commecial, proprietary, and non-open source.
On the contrary, I've been using my Radeon for 3D under linux for close to the past two months. Aside from a problem with sourceforge's CVS server (which caused the problems with compiling) there haven't been any problems for me.
Just for clarification. Be has software only OpenGL support. That's it. Software only OpenGL support can hardly be considered excellent OpenGL support (which is what the original poster claimed) and is hardly the fastest out there (which is what you claim).
Do many people actually use a Linux box as their sole gaming platform?
I do, and I'm fairly certain others do. I use Linux to play SOF, Q3A, UT, and a handful of other games. I only keep windows on my machine because my bf can't stand linux.
Am I a freak for using my Linux boxes as servers and development platforms?Not at all.
Wrong... BeOS 4.5 has OpenGL support for Voodoo2 and Voodoo3 cards (and it is not the fastest). BeOS 5.* has no OpenGL support at the moment. How about actually doing some research before spouting off blatantly incorrect statements.
Till you can create a video file using the codecs that ship with BeOS, which plays back under Windows and MacOS, BeOS can't possibly qualify as the best platform for A/V.
Be has been about to get excellent OpenGL support since they first released R5. How long has it been? It does not support D3D at the moment. A third party product will support D3D once OpenGL support is in place.
Frankly, if I were a game developer, I might keep BeOS in the back of my mind in the coming months, but it wouldn't be worth my time now.
As a consumer, I could give a shit if the cards I compared are in the same league in terms of performance. What I care about is if they're in the same league in terms of price. They were (and yes, I got the Radeon for a good price).
Frankly, cards should be compared, performance wise, if their price is in the same range, shouldn't they? What do I care if the MX and Radeon are two different classes if they cost me approximately the same.
I got ripped off for getting a great price on two cards? Can I have some of what you're smoking?
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The code for nVidia drivers in XFree86 is *not* obfuscated. At one point it was, but now it isn't. As I recall, the obfuscated code was replaced in 3.3.5.
Now, if you're talking about the linux drivers they developed in house: they're not obfuscated, their closed source.
Where did I say anything about the cause of the performance difference? Hell, I didn't even mention the phrase "open source" anywhere in my post. Yep folks, we've got a real genious here.
I have a GeForce2 MX with 32 megs of RAM. I also have an ATI Radeon 64 Meg DDR. Even under linux, the Radeon beats the GeForce, both in terms of performace (with Q3A) and quality, IMHO.
Now all we need is for the DRI drivers for the Radeon to use the T&L unit on the card.
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Perhaps I should have clarified and stated that I mean x86 Linux... However, the average home user (the ones that these cards are being aimed at) isn't going to be using an Alpha.
Ranessin
Well, at least the V3 has 32-bit color (right?)
Not for 3D acceleration, it doesn't.
Ranessin
I also have an MX PCI, though I haven't had the same problem... You might want to ask on #nvidia on irc server irc.openprojects.net. There are usually some very helpful people on that channel.
Ranessin
nVidia has been very good for the past six months when it comes to Linux support (barring any debates over whether or not closed source drivers constitute good support), and given their relationship with SGI, that doesn't seem likely to change.
Ranessin
Because many cards now support hw accelerated OpenGL. Can the same be said for Quesa?
Ranessin
You've proven your ignorance by calling the nVidia drivers a "commercialized proprietary non-open source X11 server." The Server being used is open source and from XFree86. The driver itself, however, is commecial, proprietary, and non-open source.
Ranessin
On the contrary, I've been using my Radeon for 3D under linux for close to the past two months. Aside from a problem with sourceforge's CVS server (which caused the problems with compiling) there haven't been any problems for me.
Ranessin
To the end user, there is no OpenGL for BeOS worth giving a damn about. That's all that really matters.
Ranessin
Have you ever requested a particular game for Loki to port?
Ranessin
Just for clarification. Be has software only OpenGL support. That's it. Software only OpenGL support can hardly be considered excellent OpenGL support (which is what the original poster claimed) and is hardly the fastest out there (which is what you claim).
Ranessin
Do many people actually use a Linux box as their sole gaming platform?
I do, and I'm fairly certain others do. I use Linux to play SOF, Q3A, UT, and a handful of other games. I only keep windows on my machine because my bf can't stand linux.
Am I a freak for using my Linux boxes as servers and development platforms?Not at all.
Ranessin
Wrong... BeOS 4.5 has OpenGL support for Voodoo2 and Voodoo3 cards (and it is not the fastest). BeOS 5.* has no OpenGL support at the moment. How about actually doing some research before spouting off blatantly incorrect statements.
Ranessin
Till you can create a video file using the codecs that ship with BeOS, which plays back under Windows and MacOS, BeOS can't possibly qualify as the best platform for A/V.
Be has been about to get excellent OpenGL support since they first released R5. How long has it been? It does not support D3D at the moment. A third party product will support D3D once OpenGL support is in place.
Frankly, if I were a game developer, I might keep BeOS in the back of my mind in the coming months, but it wouldn't be worth my time now.
Ranessin
The Slashdot reaction would be irrelevent. At least then it would have been legal.
Ranessin
And the proof of those private e-mail's is where?
Ranessin
US Trademark law requires trademark owners to notify violaters immediately, not two years down the road.
Ranessin
It's the normal state of things if you know how to shop, moron.
Ranessin
All one has to do is some research and they can find a *very* good price for a Radeon 64 meg DDR.
Ranessin
As a consumer, I could give a shit if the cards I compared are in the same league in terms of performance. What I care about is if they're in the same league in terms of price. They were (and yes, I got the Radeon for a good price).
Ranessin
Frankly, cards should be compared, performance wise, if their price is in the same range, shouldn't they? What do I care if the MX and Radeon are two different classes if they cost me approximately the same.
I got ripped off for getting a great price on two cards? Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Ranessin
The code for nVidia drivers in XFree86 is *not* obfuscated. At one point it was, but now it isn't. As I recall, the obfuscated code was replaced in 3.3.5.
Now, if you're talking about the linux drivers they developed in house: they're not obfuscated, their closed source.
Ranessin
Where did I say anything about the cause of the performance difference? Hell, I didn't even mention the phrase "open source" anywhere in my post. Yep folks, we've got a real genious here.
Ranessin
nVidia's drivers are fine as long as you don't have a problem. If you do, you're screwed.
With the DRI drivers, if you have a problem or uncover a bug, just ask the DRI developers and it's usually fixed in a timely fashion.
Ranessin
Not all that more expensive. I think it was maybe $50 more.
Raneesin
I have a GeForce2 MX with 32 megs of RAM. I also have an ATI Radeon 64 Meg DDR. Even under linux, the Radeon beats the GeForce, both in terms of performace (with Q3A) and quality, IMHO.
Now all we need is for the DRI drivers for the Radeon to use the T&L unit on the card.
Ranessin