I mean I always read about westerners trying to sneak into the country.
I can recall only a couple of cranks in recent years who tried to sneak in for missionary purposes or whatever. However, tourism in North Korea is a pretty ordinary thing, as much as Americans (who would have some difficult obtaining a visa) think it's somehow impenetrable. You fly in from China, are assigned to a group with a minder, and you get a tour of various impressive Communist sites and the North Korea side of the DMZ. You don't get to freely move about, but visiting North Korea holds some attraction for those who want to see the bizarre cult of personality state that it is before it (hopefully) disappears forever. There are myriad blogs on the web detailing people's trips.
There are some more unique ways in. I read a blog about some Austrians that went in via train. NK were not expecting that!
There are more difficult places to go to for those that want the been-there-done-that stamp. Pitcairn Island, French southern and Antarctic lands from a remoteness perspective. From a permit perspective, the gaza strip (as a tourist), and Kashmir I think is off limits too. Not sure how easy Rast Timor is to get to at the moment, or the Tamil part of sri lanka.
Microsoft should have been there to take the lead. The android ecosystem just doesn't work well -- too many disparate devices, too much choice. People like uniformity and simplicity. They weren't.
They weren't positioned to and had no real hope of being.
Bingo. They have no hope. Until Balmer goes and they get someone willing to throw conventional wisdom on its head and risk pissing off the DOJ
Then Jobs died.
Not sure how MS capitalizes on that.
Headless company with a lot of concen for the future?
Then ios5 wiped out the maps application off your phone.
No, that was 6. And WP did not have something better at this point.
Microsoft failing. They missed the opportunity.
Then the iphone5 came out which didn't work with any of your existing power cables and docks.
Works fine with the cable that comes with it though. Not a misstep, its a transition. Not something significant enough for MS to make much headway, as it's not like WP7/8 and Win8 has a big hardware ecosystem with consistent accessories to leverage.
Microsoft are usually good with hardware - Xbox, mice, etc. Another one of their failings. Zune showe they couldnt bring a decent product to the market.
The high end market where you'd get an iphone as it just worked well now had stumbling blocks. It wasn't an obvious choice any more.
1 minor one going by what you've listed.
Then apple's share price fell.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? Your whole premise makes no sense.
Biggest stumbling block to hit apple since the iPod launched with no wifi and was declared lame. Bigger that the "your holding it wrong" fiasco.
A falling share price can put investors into panic and demand massive changes. It's an opportunity to capitalise. It also shows a lack of certainty over apples future.
If someone was going to make a move in the high end market, the time was 2012. With widows 8, Microsoft have shown they haven't a clue as to what makes the iShiny range so popular, and simply can't compete. They should stick to beige boxes and leave the future to apple and google.
Apple provided an integrated ecosystem. It sold brilliantly. itunes, ipod, iphone, ipad, all hanging off your imac. No OEM spyware slowing everything down
On a MAC maybe,Install the "Apple" produced version of their software on Windows (Quicktime, iTunes) It is loaded with a feel that I wonder if there is an adblock addon for them.
The windows versions suck! Tell itunes not to auto-update during install, It checks the box as yes regardless what you choose. Does the same in quicktime and every so ofter turns itself back on for you.
That's the windows "look and feel". When was the last time you bought a windows machine that didn't have piles of shit all over it? Sure, if you're an expert you can blat it with a real copy of windows, carefully install selected software, and avoid most of the junk, but that costs hours.
You take a macbook home, you open it up, it just works.
Then Jobs died. Then ios5 wiped out the maps application off your phone. Then the iphone5 came out which didn't work with any of your existing power cables and docks. The high end market where you'd get an iphone as it just worked well now had stumbling blocks. It wasn't an obvious choice any more. Then apple's share price fell.
Microsoft should have been there to take the lead. The android ecosystem just doesn't work well -- too many disparate devices, too much choice. People like uniformity and simplicity. They weren't.
The market, honestly, doesn't seem to care. iPhone 5 sales are at an all time high, and iOS is ahead of Android again inside the US.
I mean, I know it hasn't been smooth sailing for iOS recently, but let's have some perspective here. In the US, Apple is kicking ass.
My point is, given all that's happened with Apple over the last year, it's competitors should be eating up customers. If they can't at this stage, they've got no hope when apple's back to full strength.
The subsidized handset business model is popular with typical US customers because customers do not realize that they are actually paying full price for their handset through what is essentially an installment plan
Or roughly, Twitter toys are more important than math.
I tell people I don't have a smartphone because I don't want to pay around $2,500 for a shiny gadget over the life of the contract. They look at me like I have five heads and can't figure out where I got that number.
Are phones in the u.s really that expensive? I have an iphone free through work, I think they end up paying £50 a month for 300mb of international data and £10 a month for normal costs. Add on the cost of a £500 phone every year and I can see it hitting $2000 a year, with a new phone every year, but international (especially non-europe) data is a cash cow for operators.
SWMBO got a cheap smartphone for emails and maps out and about recently, the phone was bundled with the 24 month contract (unlimited texts, 200 minutes, 500MB) at £21 a month over 24 months -- that's $800 over the life of the contract. Given that her sim-only contract was £12 a month, that's a charge of 9*24 = $350 for the phone and 2 years data.The iphone 4 was available at the $1200/2 year price point.
My ten year old daughter was in tears because she couldn't figure out her new windows 8 laptop. Now the laptop was underpowered, but it couldn't play DVDs out of the box and she couldn't figure out how to run her software on it thanks to the removal of the start button. Also, Toshiba added its bonus software which seemed to take over the whole computer periodically since pop ups now take the whole screen. I was frustrated trying to use it until I found a start menu hack and added it back.
I installed VLC so she can play DVDs and she has a start menu and now is very happy. Perhaps MS shouldn't have tried to do too much too soon?
No, we've had 2 years of microsoft fanboys on slashdot telling us how great windows 8 is. They can't be wrong. It's the people (bot) buying their product that're wrong!
Apple provided an integrated ecosystem. It sold brilliantly. itunes, ipod, iphone, ipad, all hanging off your imac. No OEM spyware slowing everything down, no HP printer drivers clogging up your screen, no dire warnings from mcafee when your anti-virus ran out. Even flinging your screen to your apple tv was trivial. Then Jobs died. Then ios5 wiped out the maps application off your phone. Then the iphone5 came out which didn't work with any of your existing power cables and docks. The high end market where you'd get an iphone as it just worked well now had stumbling blocks. It wasn't an obvious choice any more. Then apple's share price fell.
Microsoft should have been there to take the lead. The android ecosystem just doesn't work well -- too many disparate devices, too much choice. People like uniformity and simplicity. They weren't.
Arrive from Free World on filthy A340 Get into strange bus Do common-criminal fingerprinting BS Collect bag (W) Wheel bag past completely uninterested Customs agent (T)
Get into taxi Head for hotel Drink beer.
At this point you have not been scanned.
However, if you are connecting, you are then taking an internal flight. You are not arriving in the country at this point.
Dump bag (F?) Freedom Feel Get into strange bus Leave on connecting flight - except it's United and they broke it.
This is the departure procedure (although at IAD my flights leave on the train, no bus involved). Obviously you get scanned/groped on departure. The same applies at least at the following airports where I've connected recently
LHR (not at T5 when arriving from domestic) DXB SIN AMS
Arriving passengers are not counted as being "clean", thus can't board an aircraft without a search. They are free to leave the airport though.
I've landed in Girona in Spain, Amsterdam, Birmingham, Gatwick and Heathrow in London, and Seoul in South Korea over the last six years or so in various amounts, and it's only my layover in MSP that has ever done this.
In the last 3 years I've landed in MAN LHR LGW LCY LPL AMS BRU BUD GIB LIS ORY OPO STR CPH PRG SKG ATH TLV CAI LXR DXB ISB DEL JNB SIN TLV BKK CGK UVF IAD BWI DCA JFK EWR DME PEK, all international arrivals aside from DCA and LXR, and have never seen a scanner on arrival. This year I'll be adding TXL FCO EZE SYD GRU HKG ICN NRT PVG to the list, possibly AMM and KBL too.
If a few minor U.S. airports really do scan arrivals, that's very confusing (typical American arrogance).
At MSP, when do you collect your hold luggage and pass through customs? Is the flow Deplane->Immigration->Security->Airside->Baggage Reclaim->Customs->taxi?
At the above airports, without fail, and with the singular occasional exception of TLV, it's: deplane->Immigration->Baggage Reclaim->Customs->Taxi.
Some airports (SIN, AMS) have gate-line security, so you deplane into a non-secure departure hall, mixing with outgoing passengers. Still no scanning though. Most have a completely separate arrivals flow.
There are no scanners on the way into the U.S. You were either in the U.S. leaving (or an internal flight), or you encountered the scanner in the UK.
Not sure if your statement is true but I just returned from Brazil. They might of not had the scanners coming in to the US but they did have them for people taking a connecting domestic flights. Some people travel beyond cities with international airports.
Well of course they do, but you don't get scanned on arrival, you get scanned when you're about to take a plane.
So it's safe to say our friend the GGP is not a British resident and doesn't know what he's talking about there
Not only am I a British resident, I last flew out of the UK on Wednesday, passing through MAN t£, and LHR T1 on my 7th and 8th flights of the year.
but I guess the police state reputation of the UK has to be reinforced somehow.
I have had to use the X-Ray scanners on arrival to the USA, sorry but it's true. I wonder if you or the GGP actually do any transatlantic flying and know this or are just parroting what you've heard (as I suspect) because I was flying through Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport, and they damn well have full security on arrival, even for connections, although millimetre wave ones.
I travel all over the world, although I haven't flown TATL since November. Obviously you'll have scanners on connections. That's not arrivals. Admittedly I tend to fly into JFK/EWR/BWI/IAD, and on from Washington/NY a few days later. I've never heard of any of my colleagues being scanned on arrival, only on connections (which is to be expected)
My fiancee flew to America once landing in Memphis, and they scanned with the X-Ray scanners for all landing people to boot. So that's two places where the assumption that you don't get scanned on arrival is outright crap.
X-Ray'd/millimetre scanned, an interview, all fingerprints taken... it's not an inviting country to fly to.
So the scanners are before immigration? For my last entry (day before Sandy hit), into EWR, I wasn't even asked if I was there for business or leisure.
As an aside I find it hard to believe that the TSA doesn't deliberately ensure that international arrivals from airports including Amsterdam require that the gates used are the ones armed with millimetre wave scanners. After all, they have their guys at the gate asking you dumb questions. Airport security, especially transatlantic, is an end-to-end affair and usually your destination country has their guys running security in the host airport. Even inside the EU my flight back from Amsterdam to the UK had G4s employees setting up the gate and running security.
Hmm, do you fly TATL on American carriers (or worse, El Al)? I've heard they have silly extra rules that you don't get on VS/BA etc, but if you route via AMS I'm guessing you're a KLM flyer. Your experiences do not sound normal. I arrived into America 4 times last year, 3 times the year before. I've never seen any security present for people getting off the planes. Add the other 60 flights last year, and the only country where I have seen security on arrival is Israel, where they occasionally ask a few questions (the Erez border being the non-flight exception)
It's a shame that nothing will really change despite having this validate almost everything that was ever said by the anti-crowd against these things. Health and privacy concerns, a nice double-whammy.
I was tempted to skip these the last time I flew, but I'm a Brit and I was trying to get into the USA, and I was already having trouble with people not believing my passport photograph (oh no, new hair styles, you're a different person!!!) and I think I would have just gotten immense grief from security if I'd have asked for the extended groping session. Plus, my balls are for my fiancée only.
There are no scanners on the way into the U.S. You were either in the U.S. leaving (or an internal flight), or you encountered the scanner in the UK.
In the UK you are not allowed to opt-out from these scanners. You don't go through, you don't fly.
There are two methods of FTL being talked about here, but they are conflating the two.
Much easier not to travel FTL.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth: These are the dark matter engines I invented. They allow my starship to travel between galaxies in mere hours. Cubert J. Farnsworth: That's impossible. You can't go faster than the speed of light. Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Of course not. That's why scientists increased the speed of light in 2208.
I skimmed the submission, it rang a bell, I searched it, submission on front page, I pasted and Wham! Instant tit head!
Thems the breaks
That's terrible, reading anything in the submission should be a crime. We managed to ban articles back in 2005, but skimming submissions is far to close to "informed"
how you want to rise up to overthrow your government.
I wish they'd get on and do it.
Free speech zones are a known fact, but now there's NRA members against the first amendment, with people calling for Piers Morgan to be hung, drawn and quartered for disagreeing with them It seems that the 4th amendment has been thrown out with the TSA Refusing to answer questions about yourself results in being tasered, as Steven Anderson found out. That knocks out the 5th and 8th José Padilla didn't exactly get his speedy trial guaranteed under the 6th ammendment. The 10th seems meaningless too, from the war on drugs to obamacare, to federal highway funding.
I suppose the 3rd amendment is still rock solid, although given the amount of hysteria the media whips up in favour of American soldiers I expect that if the government wanted it, they could find enough rooms to quarter the entire army. Anyone not offering up their daughter's bed would be ostracised as anti-america
Why doesn't the NRA defend all the freedoms enshrined by the bill of rights?
So you like to pick the incident which best suits your agenda, and not look at the bigger picture.
No, the fact these two incidents happened within 48 hours of each other showed the difference. One morning the front page of news websites mentioned the china story, the next one the U.S. one. The temporal proximity of these cases is what stands out.
And besides, your article shows 25 dead, over 3 years, in a country 4 times the size of the U.S.
I have nothing against gun ownership, and going down to a range is on my list of things to do in America if I ever get a day off.
Let's say you're a 75 year old woman, weigh maybe 90 pounds. You live alone. you don't walk or sleep so good anymore. You live down town in a major city in the south. A 300 pound thug breaks into your home. By the way he's a convicted rapist.
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Why the fuck would anybody be "studying" about Exchange or Active Directory? This is intended to lay the groundwork for interest in REAL computing.
OP is an obvious troll pretending to be a shill pretending to be a troll
I can recall only a couple of cranks in recent years who tried to sneak in for missionary purposes or whatever. However, tourism in North Korea is a pretty ordinary thing, as much as Americans (who would have some difficult obtaining a visa) think it's somehow impenetrable. You fly in from China, are assigned to a group with a minder, and you get a tour of various impressive Communist sites and the North Korea side of the DMZ. You don't get to freely move about, but visiting North Korea holds some attraction for those who want to see the bizarre cult of personality state that it is before it (hopefully) disappears forever. There are myriad blogs on the web detailing people's trips.
There are some more unique ways in. I read a blog about some Austrians that went in via train. NK were not expecting that!
There are more difficult places to go to for those that want the been-there-done-that stamp. Pitcairn Island, French southern and Antarctic lands from a remoteness perspective. From a permit perspective, the gaza strip (as a tourist), and Kashmir I think is off limits too. Not sure how easy Rast Timor is to get to at the moment, or the Tamil part of sri lanka.
Microsoft should have been there to take the lead. The android ecosystem just doesn't work well -- too many disparate devices, too much choice. People like uniformity and simplicity. They weren't.
They weren't positioned to and had no real hope of being.
Bingo. They have no hope. Until Balmer goes and they get someone willing to throw conventional wisdom on its head and risk pissing off the DOJ
Then Jobs died.
Not sure how MS capitalizes on that.
Headless company with a lot of concen for the future?
Then ios5 wiped out the maps application off your phone.
No, that was 6. And WP did not have something better at this point.
Microsoft failing. They missed the opportunity.
Then the iphone5 came out which didn't work with any of your existing power cables and docks.
Works fine with the cable that comes with it though. Not a misstep, its a transition. Not something significant enough for MS to make much headway, as it's not like WP7/8 and Win8 has a big hardware ecosystem with consistent accessories to leverage.
Microsoft are usually good with hardware - Xbox, mice, etc. Another one of their failings. Zune showe they couldnt bring a decent product to the market.
The high end market where you'd get an iphone as it just worked well now had stumbling blocks. It wasn't an obvious choice any more.
1 minor one going by what you've listed.
Then apple's share price fell.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? Your whole premise makes no sense.
Biggest stumbling block to hit apple since the iPod launched with no wifi and was declared lame. Bigger that the "your holding it wrong" fiasco.
A falling share price can put investors into panic and demand massive changes. It's an opportunity to capitalise. It also shows a lack of certainty over apples future.
If someone was going to make a move in the high end market, the time was 2012. With widows 8, Microsoft have shown they haven't a clue as to what makes the iShiny range so popular, and simply can't compete. They should stick to beige boxes and leave the future to apple and google.
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Apple provided an integrated ecosystem. It sold brilliantly. itunes, ipod, iphone, ipad, all hanging off your imac. No OEM spyware slowing everything down
On a MAC maybe,Install the "Apple" produced version of their software on Windows (Quicktime, iTunes) It is loaded with a feel that I wonder if there is an adblock addon for them.
The windows versions suck!
Tell itunes not to auto-update during install, It checks the box as yes regardless what you choose. Does the same in quicktime and every so ofter turns itself back on for you.
That's the windows "look and feel". When was the last time you bought a windows machine that didn't have piles of shit all over it? Sure, if you're an expert you can blat it with a real copy of windows, carefully install selected software, and avoid most of the junk, but that costs hours.
You take a macbook home, you open it up, it just works.
Then Jobs died.
Then ios5 wiped out the maps application off your phone.
Then the iphone5 came out which didn't work with any of your existing power cables and docks.
The high end market where you'd get an iphone as it just worked well now had stumbling blocks. It wasn't an obvious choice any more.
Then apple's share price fell.
Microsoft should have been there to take the lead. The android ecosystem just doesn't work well -- too many disparate devices, too much choice. People like uniformity and simplicity. They weren't.
The market, honestly, doesn't seem to care. iPhone 5 sales are at an all time high, and iOS is ahead of Android again inside the US.
http://www.businessinsider.com/att-iphone-sales-2013-1
http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/24/technology/att-iphone-sales/index.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-iphone-sales-for-q4-2012-2013-1
http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/25/apples-hardware-q4-2012-26-9m-iphones-14m-ipads-4-9m-macs-and-5-3m-ipods/
I mean, I know it hasn't been smooth sailing for iOS recently, but let's have some perspective here. In the US, Apple is kicking ass.
My point is, given all that's happened with Apple over the last year, it's competitors should be eating up customers. If they can't at this stage, they've got no hope when apple's back to full strength.
The subsidized handset business model is popular with typical US customers because customers do not realize that they are actually paying full price for their handset through what is essentially an installment plan
Or roughly, Twitter toys are more important than math.
I tell people I don't have a smartphone because I don't want to pay around $2,500 for a shiny gadget over the life of the contract. They look at me like I have five heads and can't figure out where I got that number.
Are phones in the u.s really that expensive? I have an iphone free through work, I think they end up paying £50 a month for 300mb of international data and £10 a month for normal costs. Add on the cost of a £500 phone every year and I can see it hitting $2000 a year, with a new phone every year, but international (especially non-europe) data is a cash cow for operators.
SWMBO got a cheap smartphone for emails and maps out and about recently, the phone was bundled with the 24 month contract (unlimited texts, 200 minutes, 500MB) at £21 a month over 24 months -- that's $800 over the life of the contract. Given that her sim-only contract was £12 a month, that's a charge of 9*24 = $350 for the phone and 2 years data.The iphone 4 was available at the $1200/2 year price point.
My ten year old daughter was in tears because she couldn't figure out her new windows 8 laptop.
Now the laptop was underpowered, but it couldn't play DVDs out of the box and she couldn't figure out how to run her software on it thanks to the removal of the start button. Also, Toshiba added its bonus software which seemed to take over the whole computer periodically since pop ups now take the whole screen.
I was frustrated trying to use it until I found a start menu hack and added it back.
I installed VLC so she can play DVDs and she has a start menu and now is very happy. Perhaps MS shouldn't have tried to do too much too soon?
No, we've had 2 years of microsoft fanboys on slashdot telling us how great windows 8 is. They can't be wrong. It's the people (bot) buying their product that're wrong!
Apple provided an integrated ecosystem. It sold brilliantly. itunes, ipod, iphone, ipad, all hanging off your imac. No OEM spyware slowing everything down, no HP printer drivers clogging up your screen, no dire warnings from mcafee when your anti-virus ran out. Even flinging your screen to your apple tv was trivial.
Then Jobs died.
Then ios5 wiped out the maps application off your phone.
Then the iphone5 came out which didn't work with any of your existing power cables and docks.
The high end market where you'd get an iphone as it just worked well now had stumbling blocks. It wasn't an obvious choice any more.
Then apple's share price fell.
Microsoft should have been there to take the lead. The android ecosystem just doesn't work well -- too many disparate devices, too much choice. People like uniformity and simplicity. They weren't.
Then it can be rated PG. Boobs never hurt anybody.
Ahh, Duke3D, there was a game. Too bad they never made a sequel.
...And just FYI the whole football thing was an analogy for sex....
And anyway, Peter Griffin took care of that football thing once and for all.
And Y2K for that matter, at least until they destroyed all the guns...
Except of course for the fact that these scanners are not in use in Israel.
Yes they are. I went through one a few hours ago.
Arrive from Free World on filthy A340
Get into strange bus
Do common-criminal fingerprinting BS
Collect bag (W)
Wheel bag past completely uninterested Customs agent (T)
Get into taxi
Head for hotel
Drink beer.
At this point you have not been scanned.
However, if you are connecting, you are then taking an internal flight. You are not arriving in the country at this point.
Dump bag (F?)
Freedom Feel
Get into strange bus
Leave on connecting flight - except it's United and they broke it.
This is the departure procedure (although at IAD my flights leave on the train, no bus involved). Obviously you get scanned/groped on departure. The same applies at least at the following airports where I've connected recently
LHR (not at T5 when arriving from domestic)
DXB
SIN
AMS
Arriving passengers are not counted as being "clean", thus can't board an aircraft without a search. They are free to leave the airport though.
I've landed in Girona in Spain, Amsterdam, Birmingham, Gatwick and Heathrow in London, and Seoul in South Korea over the last six years or so in various amounts, and it's only my layover in MSP that has ever done this.
In the last 3 years I've landed in MAN LHR LGW LCY LPL AMS BRU BUD GIB LIS ORY OPO STR CPH PRG SKG ATH TLV CAI LXR DXB ISB DEL JNB SIN TLV BKK CGK UVF IAD BWI DCA JFK EWR DME PEK, all international arrivals aside from DCA and LXR, and have never seen a scanner on arrival. This year I'll be adding TXL FCO EZE SYD GRU HKG ICN NRT PVG to the list, possibly AMM and KBL too.
If a few minor U.S. airports really do scan arrivals, that's very confusing (typical American arrogance).
At MSP, when do you collect your hold luggage and pass through customs? Is the flow Deplane->Immigration->Security->Airside->Baggage Reclaim->Customs->taxi?
At the above airports, without fail, and with the singular occasional exception of TLV, it's: deplane->Immigration->Baggage Reclaim->Customs->Taxi.
Some airports (SIN, AMS) have gate-line security, so you deplane into a non-secure departure hall, mixing with outgoing passengers. Still no scanning though. Most have a completely separate arrivals flow.
No, it's just crap. Scanned on arrival to the US at MSP, 26th December 2012.
Before customs? You used to be able to exit by keeping right just after customs and go down some stairs.
In any case, you don't need to go through security, just declare you want to leave and you'll be escorted landside.
There are no scanners on the way into the U.S. You were either in the U.S. leaving (or an internal flight), or you encountered the scanner in the UK.
Not sure if your statement is true but I just returned from Brazil. They might of not had the scanners coming in to the US but they did have them for people taking a connecting domestic flights. Some people travel beyond cities with international airports.
Well of course they do, but you don't get scanned on arrival, you get scanned when you're about to take a plane.
everywhere in the UK now (except Manchester unless they've finally scrapped the X-Ray ones, I don't know personally.)
They replaced them a few months ago with MMW scanners, at least in T3 - there aren't any scanners at all at fast track.
At the very least the millimetre wave ones don't generate nude images, for Gods sake.
I couldn't care less. At the very least they don't bombard you with ionizing radiation.
Manchester had the X-Ray ones and they were optional
They were optional in the sense you could choose not to go through, and you wouldn't be allowed to fly, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/8608337/Doctor-barred-from-flying-after-refusing-body-scan-on-health-grounds.html et. al
So it's safe to say our friend the GGP is not a British resident and doesn't know what he's talking about there
Not only am I a British resident, I last flew out of the UK on Wednesday, passing through MAN t£, and LHR T1 on my 7th and 8th flights of the year.
but I guess the police state reputation of the UK has to be reinforced somehow.
I have had to use the X-Ray scanners on arrival to the USA, sorry but it's true. I wonder if you or the GGP actually do any transatlantic flying and know this or are just parroting what you've heard (as I suspect) because I was flying through Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport, and they damn well have full security on arrival, even for connections, although millimetre wave ones.
I travel all over the world, although I haven't flown TATL since November. Obviously you'll have scanners on connections. That's not arrivals. Admittedly I tend to fly into JFK/EWR/BWI/IAD, and on from Washington/NY a few days later. I've never heard of any of my colleagues being scanned on arrival, only on connections (which is to be expected)
My fiancee flew to America once landing in Memphis, and they scanned with the X-Ray scanners for all landing people to boot. So that's two places where the assumption that you don't get scanned on arrival is outright crap.
X-Ray'd/millimetre scanned, an interview, all fingerprints taken... it's not an inviting country to fly to.
So the scanners are before immigration? For my last entry (day before Sandy hit), into EWR, I wasn't even asked if I was there for business or leisure.
As an aside I find it hard to believe that the TSA doesn't deliberately ensure that international arrivals from airports including Amsterdam require that the gates used are the ones armed with millimetre wave scanners. After all, they have their guys at the gate asking you dumb questions. Airport security, especially transatlantic, is an end-to-end affair and usually your destination country has their guys running security in the host airport. Even inside the EU my flight back from Amsterdam to the UK had G4s employees setting up the gate and running security.
Hmm, do you fly TATL on American carriers (or worse, El Al)? I've heard they have silly extra rules that you don't get on VS/BA etc, but if you route via AMS I'm guessing you're a KLM flyer. Your experiences do not sound normal. I arrived into America 4 times last year, 3 times the year before. I've never seen any security present for people getting off the planes. Add the other 60 flights last year, and the only country where I have seen security on arrival is Israel, where they occasionally ask a few questions (the Erez border being the non-flight exception)
Israel does us them, at Erez. Technically its before immigration so you could argue its not in Israel I suppose.
CPH-IAD, even. They're all starting to blur into each other....
Arrive on plane
Get into strange bus
Get to immigration
Queue for 90 minutes
Collect bag
Pass through customs
Walk out of airport
Where are these scanners? Or do you go to a different iAD to me?
It's a shame that nothing will really change despite having this validate almost everything that was ever said by the anti-crowd against these things. Health and privacy concerns, a nice double-whammy.
I was tempted to skip these the last time I flew, but I'm a Brit and I was trying to get into the USA, and I was already having trouble with people not believing my passport photograph (oh no, new hair styles, you're a different person!!!) and I think I would have just gotten immense grief from security if I'd have asked for the extended groping session. Plus, my balls are for my fiancée only.
There are no scanners on the way into the U.S. You were either in the U.S. leaving (or an internal flight), or you encountered the scanner in the UK.
In the UK you are not allowed to opt-out from these scanners. You don't go through, you don't fly.
The same happens in Russia and Israel
I thought the reason for people having guns was to use them in defence of their liberties against a corrupt government?
There are two methods of FTL being talked about here, but they are conflating the two.
Much easier not to travel FTL.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth: These are the dark matter engines I invented. They allow my starship to travel between galaxies in mere hours.
Cubert J. Farnsworth: That's impossible. You can't go faster than the speed of light.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Of course not. That's why scientists increased the speed of light in 2208.
I skimmed the submission, it rang a bell, I searched it, submission on front page, I pasted and Wham! Instant tit head!
Thems the breaks
That's terrible, reading anything in the submission should be a crime. We managed to ban articles back in 2005, but skimming submissions is far to close to "informed"
how you want to rise up to overthrow your government.
I wish they'd get on and do it.
Free speech zones are a known fact, but now there's NRA members against the first amendment, with people calling for Piers Morgan to be hung, drawn and quartered for disagreeing with them
It seems that the 4th amendment has been thrown out with the TSA
Refusing to answer questions about yourself results in being tasered, as Steven Anderson found out. That knocks out the 5th and 8th
José Padilla didn't exactly get his speedy trial guaranteed under the 6th ammendment. The 10th seems meaningless too, from the war on drugs to obamacare, to federal highway funding.
I suppose the 3rd amendment is still rock solid, although given the amount of hysteria the media whips up in favour of American soldiers I expect that if the government wanted it, they could find enough rooms to quarter the entire army. Anyone not offering up their daughter's bed would be ostracised as anti-america
Why doesn't the NRA defend all the freedoms enshrined by the bill of rights?
So you like to pick the incident which best suits your agenda, and not look at the bigger picture.
No, the fact these two incidents happened within 48 hours of each other showed the difference. One morning the front page of news websites mentioned the china story, the next one the U.S. one. The temporal proximity of these cases is what stands out.
And besides, your article shows 25 dead, over 3 years, in a country 4 times the size of the U.S.
I have nothing against gun ownership, and going down to a range is on my list of things to do in America if I ever get a day off.
Right, blaming a physical object for a _mental_ problem is the "problem".
You're an idiot.
Humans have been killing one another for thousands of years. The problem isn't the tech -- it is the spiritual retards who exert to violence.
Spot the difference:
In December, a deranged lunatic walked into a primary school and attacked the children. None died. 22 were injured, 2 seriously. Police arrested a 36-year-old local man at the scene.
In December, a deranged lunatic walked into a primary school and attacked the children. 20 died, and 6 teachers. The man then killed himself
The only lack of intelligence is on your part.
Let's say you're a 75 year old woman, weigh maybe 90 pounds. You live alone. you don't walk or sleep so good anymore. You live down town in a major city in the south. A 300 pound thug breaks into your home. By the way he's a convicted rapist.
Out of interest, how come he wasn't armed?
Do you have a news story backing your claim up?