A lot of the work in this field is viewed as holding the patient together until a transplant becomes available. In those terms, 60 days could easily be long enough.
Funny you should mention fire hydrants. As I've been reading this, I've been remembering the fire alarms that used to dot Baltimore's streets. They were removed a while back, on the grounds that "pretty much everybody has a phone".
A good many were eligible for colonial passports, such that they could enter Commonwealth nations without a visa. That's not to say that they could stay, and it's a far cry from citizenship.
Many others already were British citizens, and I didn't mean to imply that their passports were revoked.
I wasn't questionung their return of the land. Dirt is dirt, and Hong Kong, simply as a parcel of land, was never especially valuable (no doubt the Chinese officials who negotiated the original lease felt they'd put one over on the British in getting them to accept the place instead of a real city.)
What bothers me is that the PRC evidently made it clear that the value of Hong Kong lay in the trading businesses that operate there, and that such businesses are not land, or buildings, or equipment, but above all people, and that they wanted those people. The UK, in denying passports to their colonial citizens, rolled over and let the populace be turned over with the land.
I'm sure it was perfectly legal -- AFAIK every country has the right to choose to accept or deny a petition for citizenship -- but it clearly went above and beyond the requirements of the lease.
That said, I didn't mean to sidetrack this thread. Indeed the UK does seem to have managed much better than my own country to work out a multi-cultural, multi-racial, and multi-lingual society. Here in the States we have quite some ways to go, and I imagine we could learn a lot by looking across the Atlantic.
And Jamaica was what, if not a colony? As far as I could tell, the only real difference was that the PRC wanted Hong Kong's people as well as the land, like getting a furnished apartment.
I'm not suggesting that the world is safe at any time, merely that the duties of a soldier do not always include death. I don't expect firemen to get killed rescuing cats from trees, and I don't expect airmen to get killed to protect the hardware on a peacetime recon flight.
If you'd like a precedent from a far more tense time, look at Gary Powers. He was not tried or even criticized by his colleagues on his return, even though his plane was captured with much of its equipment intact. He wasn't expected to ride it in, and neither were these men. The stakes simply aren't that high.
When you ask a man to die, make sure it's worth it. This wasn't.
Putting aside the implication that other nations never drop a plane (how's that Concorde working out for you, by the way?), you might be right that we'd keep a plane that we found sufficiently interesting -- there's arguable precedent both ways -- but why on earth would we keep the crew?
Maybe you missed it, but this is peacetime. We might be justified in expecting our military personnel to die before allowing equipment to fall into enemy hands, but the Chinese are not the enemy in that sense.
Besides, I seriously doubt that there's anything all that hairy on the plane. I'd bet the chief thing the Chinese are learning is how much we know about them.
Death before capture is not an American military tradition, and I'm in no hurry to adopt it. It didn't work out all that well for Japan.
standard procedure that should have resulted in no perceptible change in the aircraft.
So, let me get this straight -- we're headed for the deck, and you want me to do something that should have no effect? Isn't there a procedure that's supposed to do something at times like that?
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It's in the faq, and it was in the faq before. It was in the faq on Tuesday, when this ripped-off post went up here on Slashdot, and it was in the faq Saturday.
Jesus H. Christ on a pogostick, has sarcasm never been explained to you? I would have thought that even if you were blind drunk, the term "gentleman", applied to that sub-human, might have been a clue.
I'm neither completely clueless nor a recruiter for any party. ("Clever" I'll leave out of it). My point was simply that the AC who was assuming that the US prison population would clearly align itself one way or the other apparently had a somewhat limited view of the range of people in America's jails, and furthermore was making the frankly goofy assumption that convicted felons operate from a position of enlightened self-interest, overlooking the fact that if that were true most wouldn't be in prison in the first place.
Ah, I like voting systems that dispense with the actual tedious process of casting and counting votes -- it's obvious how prisoners would have voted, so we can save them the trouble. Clearly gentlemen like this are Gore voters.
Well, you laid out a couple of items about phones, the first of which was
just like your local phone company would be completely justified in requiring you to buy its phones only,
which was essentially the case in my youth (actually, as I recall, you could pay them a stiff monthly premium instead, but it's been a long time). As for interoperability issues, think again, or this comment:
On February 28, 1885 AT&T was born. Capitalized on only $100,000, American Telephone and Telegraph provided long distance service for American Bell. Only local telephone companies operating under Bell granted licenses could connect to AT&T's long distance network.
Technical aside: Slaves never counted for a fraction of a vote in the US, although they did count for a fraction of a person for purposes of Congressional districting. They did, therefore, somewhat reinforce the votes of free people in the same area.
Of course, it wasn't until quite some time later that women were mentioned in the Constution at all.
Wait a minute -- your prof is using his students to write a book for him? Does he make you mow his lawn as well?
Unless this is a class in labor law or something, I would refuse to co-operate and protest to the administration.
I'm going to guess that this is an undergrad course, because I think a prof who tried to get this past free adults would end up sitting on the floor with stars and little birds flying around his head.
Here, save yourself the question: "Given the high reliablility and wide range of hardware and software available, the cost of owning and operating Microsoft systems is lower, which more than makes up for the purchase price^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H license fees. Buying Microsoft is more economical in the long run, and that only becomes more important during a recession. When the times are tough, the tough get smart."
I mean, what's the guy going to say: "We'll match any price"?
I think your analogy is flawed, however, in that phone companies (which did used to operate that way, BTW) had exclusive control of the wiring. AOL doesn't own the Internet, and competing IM systems are flourishing.
Their systems happen to be the most popular, that's all. They don't prevent me from using AIM even though I'm not one of their customers and they don't prevent their customers from using other systems. Frankly, that's more than reasonable. What the hell do you want -- dinner and a kiss goodnight because you're kind enough to use their free service to carry your chat?
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A lot of the work in this field is viewed as holding the patient together until a transplant becomes available. In those terms, 60 days could easily be long enough.
Funny you should mention fire hydrants. As I've been reading this, I've been remembering the fire alarms that used to dot Baltimore's streets. They were removed a while back, on the grounds that "pretty much everybody has a phone".
Many others already were British citizens, and I didn't mean to imply that their passports were revoked.
What bothers me is that the PRC evidently made it clear that the value of Hong Kong lay in the trading businesses that operate there, and that such businesses are not land, or buildings, or equipment, but above all people, and that they wanted those people. The UK, in denying passports to their colonial citizens, rolled over and let the populace be turned over with the land.
I'm sure it was perfectly legal -- AFAIK every country has the right to choose to accept or deny a petition for citizenship -- but it clearly went above and beyond the requirements of the lease.
That said, I didn't mean to sidetrack this thread. Indeed the UK does seem to have managed much better than my own country to work out a multi-cultural, multi-racial, and multi-lingual society. Here in the States we have quite some ways to go, and I imagine we could learn a lot by looking across the Atlantic.
But remember, there are no absolutes...
And Jamaica was what, if not a colony? As far as I could tell, the only real difference was that the PRC wanted Hong Kong's people as well as the land, like getting a furnished apartment.
Hasn't Coventry already been there and done that?
Clearly you weren't a Northpoint customer...:)
If you'd like a precedent from a far more tense time, look at Gary Powers. He was not tried or even criticized by his colleagues on his return, even though his plane was captured with much of its equipment intact. He wasn't expected to ride it in, and neither were these men. The stakes simply aren't that high.
When you ask a man to die, make sure it's worth it. This wasn't.
Putting aside the implication that other nations never drop a plane (how's that Concorde working out for you, by the way?), you might be right that we'd keep a plane that we found sufficiently interesting -- there's arguable precedent both ways -- but why on earth would we keep the crew?
Besides, I seriously doubt that there's anything all that hairy on the plane. I'd bet the chief thing the Chinese are learning is how much we know about them.
Death before capture is not an American military tradition, and I'm in no hurry to adopt it. It didn't work out all that well for Japan.
You got a 5 insightful for a cut and paste of my K5 post!? I'm not sure if I'm more flattered or pissed off.
I'm neither completely clueless nor a recruiter for any party. ("Clever" I'll leave out of it). My point was simply that the AC who was assuming that the US prison population would clearly align itself one way or the other apparently had a somewhat limited view of the range of people in America's jails, and furthermore was making the frankly goofy assumption that convicted felons operate from a position of enlightened self-interest, overlooking the fact that if that were true most wouldn't be in prison in the first place.
Ah, I like voting systems that dispense with the actual tedious process of casting and counting votes -- it's obvious how prisoners would have voted, so we can save them the trouble. Clearly gentlemen like this are Gore voters.
Of course, you could argue that AT&T was being Canute-like, but then again, they won, didn't they?
Of course, it wasn't until quite some time later that women were mentioned in the Constution at all.
And are you a Swedish chef?
Unless this is a class in labor law or something, I would refuse to co-operate and protest to the administration.
I'm going to guess that this is an undergrad course, because I think a prof who tried to get this past free adults would end up sitting on the floor with stars and little birds flying around his head.
I mean, what's the guy going to say: "We'll match any price"?
Their systems happen to be the most popular, that's all. They don't prevent me from using AIM even though I'm not one of their customers and they don't prevent their customers from using other systems. Frankly, that's more than reasonable. What the hell do you want -- dinner and a kiss goodnight because you're kind enough to use their free service to carry your chat?