I remember when I was in school, programming my Commodore 64, and the joy was in just how primitive it all was. Just typing in those BASIC commands, waiting while that tape drive chugged away - that was half the fun of it.
You consider that fun? As I would rather be doing something with a system rather than waiting on a system.
Nowadays, everything's instantaneous, and people don't realize the fun of waiting. This is a problem with our culture I think. Everything has to be so fast.
Personally I think the fun part of playing a game on my system is actually playing the game, not waiting for it to load. I guess I'm kinda wierd.
It's all fast food, fast cars, fast living, and it's not good for us.
Perhaps you should move to Tulsa, OK and drive a Renault for a few years. Then you might apprereciate a car the actually accelerated when you put your foot down on the gas, rather then accelerated when you pushed down on the gas and turned off the AC.
All of that may not be good for us But personally I thrive on the intensity.
It is no coincidence that in countries where they take things slowly that they have lower rates of heart disease, and lower incidence of stress-related industry.
Perhaps, but what does that have to do with fast computers, or fast cars?
Sure it's nice to have fast things every now and then, but I worry that people will forget the experience of waiting - the thrill of anticipation as that new game installs, the pause while the computer boots up, etc. It would be great to just go to a nice restaurant with nice slow service, and then to come back and use that Commodore 64 again.
Uhhh yeah...sure...You can keep your C64, I'll take a GHz Athlon anyday.
All this speed means that people don't appreciate what they've got - they don't appreciate the joys of living - the call of birdsong, the flowers coming up in the spring - because they're too busy. And busy doing what? Busy doing things too damn quickly. Of course I'm not saying that progress is bad, but just that this is symptomatic of the ever faster pace of life; the way we don't speak to each other, the fact we take minutes for meals, and seconds for just talking. We should take the time out to enjoy life every now and then
To a limited extend, but the slow C64 shoud give you a better appreciation for the systems awailable today. Let people appreciate their 30+Gig HDs and rember how much it sucked having to load a game from a 5 1/4 floppy. Let people appreciate having space and clock cycles to burn, as opposed to trying to cram as much stuff as possible in to small space. Kinda like trying to move using a Maita instead of a moving van.
I can't say that I completely agree with this. But I know plenty of people who would say exactly the opposite, they had to make games fun to play because they didn't have the technology to make them look good.
Personally I could care less about old games, that's why I gave away my Atari and games several years ago. I want to move foreward, not backward. I don't have time to waste on old games, or whining about how much games today suck.
Open Source / Free Software is perhaps bad for the intellectual property business, but not for innovation.
I don't see how?
Since 1900, no copywrited material has entered into the public domain, where is to incentive to innovate is all you have to do is write one thing that is really popular then retire.
Why not allow anybody to innovate and add to your idea--I would like to write software for a certain popular platform. (As most of my friends use it). Sadly a certain company is so protective or its intellectual property, that they cost to really develope for it is prohibitivly expensive.
would I be within my rights to demand Yahoo remove all artefacts relating to Oliver Cromwell.
You should demand exactly that, and more....
If you're Prodistant, demand they remove catholic merchandise because it can inspire people to violence, ala IRA
If you're Catholic make them remove Prodistant merchandise because the prodistants uses intimidation tactics against hte catholics, ALA Orange.
If you're Pagan demand that they remove everything relating to St. Patrick, because of his purge/conversion of Ireland.
If your Muslum, boy do you have it good, you can and should demand that they remove all sorts of stuff relating to women, everything from swimsuits and shorts skirts, to makeup, and perfume. just a Muslum thing in general. Then there's the jewish stuff.
If you're Jewish, you can go for removal of anything Muslum.
Imagine if they should ban the sale of items supporting Christianity because of what the so called Christians did during the Inqusition. Or perhaps because of the they're a bad influence or christian cult groups like the Heavans Gate or Jones Town. Or perhaps because of the enforced Christanization of europe under Charemane. Maybe they should ban the sale of Catholic related items in Ireland because it could intimidating to the Prodestants, and the converse also applies to Prodistant related items.
If it's available, somebody will find it offensive, deal with it.
Amazon's used book service let me pick up two books that have been out of print for more than 10 years, and havn't been able to find in used book stores or at cons.
I like buying new books, but when a book goes out of print, what else are you going to do?
Yes, the project is commercial - but so are many Linux ventures (Loki, Red Hat - need I go on). The full version for Linux will be freely available for download, so I don't see the project's commercialisation as being a major factor here. I'm sure that there will be people that will want to see otherwise, but commercialism != evil corporate domination.
What do you expect? These are people who criticized KDE for using a commercial closed source toolkit QT to build their WM. Unless you've been living in a hole off-line for the past 2 years of so you should expect that kind of treatment. Stop whining.
Regarding use of the word "Operating System" - the Linux release available for download is in fact promoted as a Run-Time Environment. The download page is pretty clear on this, to quote the link: "Athena Run-Time Environment (i386 Preview)". This naming convention only applies to the Linux release. Other platforms are a different matter entirely - the exact reasoning behind all this will become clear as time moves on.
Requires Linux, Mac OS, or Window means that your product is not an OS. It sounds like you product is more like WM/API than anything else. Or perhaps Directory Opus for the Amiga. Something I would pay for for the PC. Yet you're splashing Athena Operating System across the title page. There is and inconsistancy, in what you are saying, and telling us that it will be obvious and/or explained later, or burying the details in some whitepaper doesn't cut it./. readers don't buy it, and neither do suits.
As for open source, the policy on this is pretty clear and you should see somewhere between 25 - 50% of the project's source code available to the public. I've noticed a few people quoting certain areas of the website and twisting it as if to make out that we have some sort of evil attitude towards open source. While we don't use the GPL for our product, this does not mean that we hate the idea of publicly available source code. Using the GPL would have caused major problems for the project that would have meant handing over many of our rights over to the Free Software Foundation. It simply wasn't an option, but that doesn't make it a bad project.
Personally I don't care if you source code is open or not, I don't have time to fix other people's software, I do that at work. If I can't deal with the bugs in a piece of software, Trash it. But you have to tailor to Licenses to your audience, to some, very vocal people in Linux community think that Open source is too stiff and demand GPL. Others think Open Source is good enough. Many more just thing Free, (as in beer), is adequate. Unfortunately those who thing Free is good enough are usually not driving Linux technology, fortunatly they are probably driving Linux's market share.
Because of the scarcity of development tools on Windows. (Scarcity meaning that 'most' people don't have compilers.) Free, ( and non nag-ware) is usually pretty good for Windows releases of software.
Regarding distribution, this is a pretty simple policy that prevents third parties from distributing the software on CDs or from web-sites without our permission. That's all - a pretty basic expression of copyright. Although judging from some of the posted remarks, it could also be interpreted as an evil plot designed to destroy the Linux community from the inside, eating it away like a cancerous cell to ensure that Microsoft can still reign supreme - because after all, Rocklyte Systems is just another corporation out to get you all while you're tucked away in your beds. Sheesh.
First, learning the fundamentals of things that aren't going to change are very important
Secondly business practices and management principles do change. Take Silo vs Matrix business organizations.
Third, if you think physics isn't changing, look at the changes that have occured over the last 100 of so years, things like quantum mechanics and relativity, only scratch the surface.
Fourth in defence of CIS you learn a lot more than programming. You learn about business practics. Which is more useful? Knowing how to build a double linked list, or underesanding the suply chain?
On the CS side, they learn things like compiler design, and if they're lucky, they learn stuff like patterns. On the other hand I know CS majors, I'm not sure what school, who never had a course in OOA&D
And on the subject of hiring Math majors because of problem solving skills, there were Math majors who complained the theretoo much math in Physics. Physics is not only math, but its using math to model reality, isn't that what programming is supposed to do?
As far as I'm concerned you need the right tool for the job. Do you want to do business software? Try CIS. Do you want to write video games? Try CS.
I am using the current NS 6. I would like to see the bugs worked out before it get released. Crashing while scrolling through my email for instance. I would also like to see NS release the standards compliant browser they are promising. NS has never released a standards compliant browser, they allways throw in a bunch of propriatary garbage.
Netscape chose to hold of and not release a 5.0 version of their browser because it wasn't good enough. Why not make sure the NS 6 is that they were promising?
The poor also spend money, which also creates jobs.
Republican corporate welfare is more bogus, than the democrats playing mommy and daddy.
And for the idiot Liber-whatevers, compare this to 100 years ago with no/minimal public education.
How standards of living have changed since the 1800's thanks to public education.
How many people go to college now thanks to public universities
Now tell me that public education sux
BTW, I have been to both public and private schools and learned a little something about the education system:
Education is only what the student makes of it.
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I remember when I was in school, programming my Commodore 64, and the joy was in just how primitive it all was. Just typing in those BASIC commands, waiting while that tape drive chugged away - that was half the fun of it.
You consider that fun? As I would rather be doing something with a system rather than waiting on a system.
Nowadays, everything's instantaneous, and people don't realize the fun of waiting. This is a problem with our culture I think. Everything has to be so fast.
Personally I think the fun part of playing a game on my system is actually playing the game, not waiting for it to load. I guess I'm kinda wierd.
It's all fast food, fast cars, fast living, and it's not good for us.
Perhaps you should move to Tulsa, OK and drive a Renault for a few years. Then you might apprereciate a car the actually accelerated when you put your foot down on the gas, rather then accelerated when you pushed down on the gas and turned off the AC.
All of that may not be good for us But personally I thrive on the intensity.
It is no coincidence that in countries where they take things slowly that they have lower rates of heart disease, and lower incidence of stress-related industry.
Perhaps, but what does that have to do with fast computers, or fast cars?
Sure it's nice to have fast things every now and then, but I worry that people will forget the experience of waiting - the thrill of anticipation as that new game installs, the pause while the computer boots up, etc. It would be great to just go to a nice restaurant with nice slow service, and then to come back and use that Commodore 64 again.
Uhhh yeah...sure...You can keep your C64, I'll take a GHz Athlon anyday.
All this speed means that people don't appreciate what they've got - they don't appreciate the joys of living - the call of birdsong, the flowers coming up in the spring - because they're too busy. And busy doing what? Busy doing things too damn quickly. Of course I'm not saying that progress is bad, but just that this is symptomatic of the ever faster pace of life; the way we don't speak to each other, the fact we take minutes for meals, and seconds for just talking. We should take the time out to enjoy life every now and then
To a limited extend, but the slow C64 shoud give you a better appreciation for the systems awailable today. Let people appreciate their 30+Gig HDs and rember how much it sucked having to load a game from a 5 1/4 floppy. Let people appreciate having space and clock cycles to burn, as opposed to trying to cram as much stuff as possible in to small space. Kinda like trying to move using a Maita instead of a moving van.
I can't say that I completely agree with this. But I know plenty of people who would say exactly the opposite, they had to make games fun to play because they didn't have the technology to make them look good.
Personally I could care less about old games, that's why I gave away my Atari and games several years ago. I want to move foreward, not backward. I don't have time to waste on old games, or whining about how much games today suck.
Isn't this kinda like saying "Who would pay $400/month for a car, then not own it?"
It could go over very well.
I see this as potentially a good thing for things like Star Office, and Linux.
Can you see people switching quickly after they forget a payment, or change creditcards and their copy of MS Office expires?
Open Source / Free Software is perhaps bad for the intellectual property business, but not for innovation.
I don't see how?
Since 1900, no copywrited material has entered into the public domain, where is to incentive to innovate is all you have to do is write one thing that is really popular then retire.
Why not allow anybody to innovate and add to your idea--I would like to write software for a certain popular platform. (As most of my friends use it). Sadly a certain company is so protective or its intellectual property, that they cost to really develope for it is prohibitivly expensive.
I think books will die when we have a true paperless office
Just look at how many books technology sells, and tell me that books are gonna die.
If you are unhappy with Linus ignoring Linux PPC or believe that he is ignoring Linux PPC, or whatever, try NetBSD PPC.
Not only do you need the source, but you also need a compiler for the particular DSP used by the modem.
Sounds like somebody has money invested in or works for Rambus.
Surprised somebody didn't label this Flaimbait.
How the hell did this get modded up to Interesting?
Somebody shoud mod is down to -1 TROLL
I get decent sound out of my system
JVC 888 amp
Pioneer front (don't rember the model, but they sound fine and the price was right.)
Infinity Sub 15" and wall mounted surround sound speakers.
JBL S-Center
No, this is not an audiophile system, but yes it does sound beter than bose.
Let's just say keep your factory system
I checked out a Miata where the sales guy was hyping the Bose stereo. I was not impressed
My system:
Alpine amp and mids.
RF Sub (8") (Want to go to pioneer FAs and loose the box
Nakamichi head unit.
Does this mean that everybody with Red-Green color blindness will have to pay ColorMax for the use of the genes?
would I be within my rights to demand Yahoo remove all artefacts relating to Oliver Cromwell.
You should demand exactly that, and more....
If you're Prodistant, demand they remove catholic merchandise because it can inspire people to violence, ala IRA
If you're Catholic make them remove Prodistant merchandise because the prodistants uses intimidation tactics against hte catholics, ALA Orange.
If you're Pagan demand that they remove everything relating to St. Patrick, because of his purge/conversion of Ireland.
If your Muslum, boy do you have it good, you can and should demand that they remove all sorts of stuff relating to women, everything from swimsuits and shorts skirts, to makeup, and perfume. just a Muslum thing in general. Then there's the jewish stuff.
If you're Jewish, you can go for removal of anything Muslum.
You get the idea....
You do not have to right to not be offended.
Imagine if they should ban the sale of items supporting Christianity because of what the so called Christians did during the Inqusition. Or perhaps because of the they're a bad influence or christian cult groups like the Heavans Gate or Jones Town. Or perhaps because of the enforced Christanization of europe under Charemane. Maybe they should ban the sale of Catholic related items in Ireland because it could intimidating to the Prodestants, and the converse also applies to Prodistant related items.
If it's available, somebody will find it offensive, deal with it.
The Author's guild can bite me.
Amazon's used book service let me pick up two books that have been out of print for more than 10 years, and havn't been able to find in used book stores or at cons.
I like buying new books, but when a book goes out of print, what else are you going to do?
Shouldn't that be schemes?
Yes, the project is commercial - but so are many Linux ventures (Loki, Red Hat - need I go on). The full version for Linux will be freely available for download, so I don't see the project's commercialisation as being a major factor here. I'm sure that there will be people that will want to see otherwise, but commercialism != evil corporate domination.
What do you expect? These are people who criticized KDE for using a commercial closed source toolkit QT to build their WM. Unless you've been living in a hole off-line for the past 2 years of so you should expect that kind of treatment. Stop whining.
Regarding use of the word "Operating System" - the Linux release available for download is in fact promoted as a Run-Time Environment. The download page is pretty clear on this, to quote the link: "Athena Run-Time Environment (i386 Preview)". This naming convention only applies to the Linux release. Other platforms are a different matter entirely - the exact reasoning behind all this will become clear as time moves on.
Requires Linux, Mac OS, or Window means that your product is not an OS. It sounds like you product is more like WM/API than anything else. Or perhaps Directory Opus for the Amiga. Something I would pay for for the PC. Yet you're splashing Athena Operating System across the title page. There is and inconsistancy, in what you are saying, and telling us that it will be obvious and/or explained later, or burying the details in some whitepaper doesn't cut it. /. readers don't buy it, and neither do suits.
As for open source, the policy on this is pretty clear and you should see somewhere between 25 - 50% of the project's source code available to the public. I've noticed a few people quoting certain areas of the website and twisting it as if to make out that we have some sort of evil attitude towards open source. While we don't use the GPL for our product, this does not mean that we hate the idea of publicly available source code. Using the GPL would have caused major problems for the project that would have meant handing over many of our rights over to the Free Software Foundation. It simply wasn't an option, but that doesn't make it a bad project.
Personally I don't care if you source code is open or not, I don't have time to fix other people's software, I do that at work. If I can't deal with the bugs in a piece of software, Trash it. But you have to tailor to Licenses to your audience, to some, very vocal people in Linux community think that Open source is too stiff and demand GPL. Others think Open Source is good enough. Many more just thing Free, (as in beer), is adequate. Unfortunately those who thing Free is good enough are usually not driving Linux technology, fortunatly they are probably driving Linux's market share.
Because of the scarcity of development tools on Windows. (Scarcity meaning that 'most' people don't have compilers.) Free, ( and non nag-ware) is usually pretty good for Windows releases of software.
Regarding distribution, this is a pretty simple policy that prevents third parties from distributing the software on CDs or from web-sites without our permission. That's all - a pretty basic expression of copyright. Although judging from some of the posted remarks, it could also be interpreted as an evil plot designed to destroy the Linux community from the inside, eating it away like a cancerous cell to ensure that Microsoft can still reign supreme - because after all, Rocklyte Systems is just another corporation out to get you all while you're tucked away in your beds. Sheesh.
Excuse me?
First, learning the fundamentals of things that aren't going to change are very important
Secondly business practices and management principles do change. Take Silo vs Matrix business organizations.
Third, if you think physics isn't changing, look at the changes that have occured over the last 100 of so years, things like quantum mechanics and relativity, only scratch the surface.
Fourth in defence of CIS you learn a lot more than programming. You learn about business practics. Which is more useful? Knowing how to build a double linked list, or underesanding the suply chain?
On the CS side, they learn things like compiler design, and if they're lucky, they learn stuff like patterns. On the other hand I know CS majors, I'm not sure what school, who never had a course in OOA&D
And on the subject of hiring Math majors because of problem solving skills, there were Math majors who complained the theretoo much math in Physics. Physics is not only math, but its using math to model reality, isn't that what programming is supposed to do?
As far as I'm concerned you need the right tool for the job. Do you want to do business software? Try CIS. Do you want to write video games? Try CS.
Accept the promotion then get your resume out, get another job, and resign.
If they make a counter offer you can dictate the terms.
Linux users are free to incorproate free software in their systems without rebranding the name.
The FSF is also free to create an operating system, call it GNU, use a Linux kernel, if they want.
Perhaps I should create an OS, label it Fred, and abuse the snot outa the GPL.
I am using the current NS 6. I would like to see the bugs worked out before it get released. Crashing while scrolling through my email for instance. I would also like to see NS release the standards compliant browser they are promising. NS has never released a standards compliant browser, they allways throw in a bunch of propriatary garbage.
Netscape chose to hold of and not release a 5.0 version of their browser because it wasn't good enough. Why not make sure the NS 6 is that they were promising?
The poor also spend money, which also creates jobs.
Republican corporate welfare is more bogus, than the democrats playing mommy and daddy.
And for the idiot Liber-whatevers, compare this to 100 years ago with no/minimal public education.
Now tell me that public education sux
BTW, I have been to both public and private schools and learned a little something about the education system:
Education is only what the student makes of it.
Tax cuts in the form of corporate welrafe
Bush's tax cuts will only continue perpetuating the national debt.
Taxes happen, deal with 'em, and if you're so worried about taxes, find a job that pays more.
Why not just install Windows on the system in question, and render the system usless?