The Clie is a viable option. I have one. I did not buy it for mp3 use, but it certainly works for such. If all you are looking for is an mp3 player, I would not recommend the Clie. It only supports 3 different bitrates, the hightest being 133 or something weird like that.
Also, I use a 64 mb white 'MagicGate' sony memory stick to put my mp3's on. It works fine. No copy protection as far as I can tell. I haven't tried to copy mp3's off of it to my computer, but I doubt that is a problem. It comes up on windows as a removable storage device and you can copy files to and fro without a problem. I don't think mp3's will be any different. Anyone know for sure? I check it out when I get home.
I know everyone here loves to find a reason to bash microsoft, myself included, but this smells of a troll to me. This is just too hard for me to believe without actually witnessing it myself.
That is so not true and God forbid if I listened to some loud music in my car anyway. Run! its the loud music police. I generally do not listen to my music loud, but so what if I did. Sure its the safest thing, but damn, its not that big of a deal. Really, what percentage of the info you need drive correctly comes from hearing? not much.
Seriously, though, there is a huge difference btwn CD and radio quality, even at low volumes. This is especially true for the higher and lower ranges in my own opinion. There's no clarity to the high stuff and the low stuff is virtually non-existant on the radio...and its very noticable at low volumes. I don't consider myself a manic audiophile either. I bought my shit from CC or Best Buy mostly, and most of them 'experts' would scoff at my system. But its fine for me and its a great deal better than a factory system. Its certainly good enough that any untrained ear (such as mine) can tell there is a huge difference.
I can vouch for this! I had a patient about 6 monthes ago that came into the ER. He was on the job working for WX when he started having some medical problems. Prior to coming in, he was working on installing these antennas here in St. Louis so the signal could be picked up in areas where the satellite signal couldn't make it.
I found a much better article on MSNBC and it talks about a company called iBiquity which has technology so local stations will be able to broadcast in digital and analog over the same frequency.
The only reason I had for being interested in the radio satallite service was having nice CD quality sound without the hassle of f'in with my mp3's or CDs. Well, if locals start doing the same thing evenutally, but for free, and it sounds like they will, these guys are gonna be hard pressed to get customers. I, personally, found the idea of getting the high quality sound appealling, because honestly, sound from radio with my car or home stero systems just sounds bad compared to CDs. I'd love to get the digital sound, but I think I can wait for my locals to start broadcasting it for free. I mean, why waste the money on a satellite radio, if I'm gonna end up getting one for my locals evetually anyway.
I found this info in their FAQ. Not too many details, but it claims to be CD quality.
Why don't the website audio streams have the same high sound quality as heard on an XM Radio? We stream our audio samples on the Web using Windows Media at an encoded 32kbps. Although this low bit rate may sacrifice detail and quality of sound on the web, it ensures that all web users, from dial-up to T3, will be able to easily listen to a sampling of XM programming. The sound quality of the XM Radio service in cars and homes is notably higher. You won't be able to tell the difference between XM and a CD playing.
For me its not about the commercials. It would be about the quality of the sound and not having to deal with getting out the CD or mp3s. I personally don't have as much time as I would like so the radio is often convient for me. The problem I have with the radio, though, isn't so much the commercials as the quality of the sound I'm picking up. I have a fairly descent sound system and the differnce in sound between the radio and a CD is enormous. So, for me, *if* I can get some high quality sounds out of satillite radio, I'd consider signing up.
I was thinking the same thing, but just because its digital doesn't mean its high quality. So does anyone know what the quality of this music is? It if its CD quality, then there's a good reason to get exited. This would be great to hack so you could record all kinds of tunes. Otherwise, would it really be worth the time to hack (unless your doing out of interest of fun) if the recordings are gonna suck anyway.
Under the SSSCA, industry groups have a year to agree on a security standard, or the Commerce Department will step in and decide on one. Sunshine laws would not apply to meetings held in conjunction with the law, and industry organizations would be immune from antitrust prosecution.
And it will take us about 1 week at best to figure out a way around it if necessary.
Seriously though, this is scary and it makes me feel very good that OS's like Linux, BEOS, and Atheos are in existance....something like this could never fly without it built into the hardware, and god knows the hardware manufactures aren't gonna like this, much less the consumers....even the common Joe Shmoes out there. I doubt Joe's gonna be happy to find out he can't make his own custom CD's with EZ coaster creator with his brand new top of the line machine a few years from now.
I certainly realize this is what their reasoning is, but it doesn't make it right, and if that is there reason then they came up with a horrible solution. Here is why: Shouldn't a region 1 DVD work two or three years later in region 2 after it has been released there? If that was there only reason, then yes, they would build in some time print on each DVD so it would eventually work everywhere. They don't do that though do they? why? Because that is not the only reason. The other is to protect all the distributors in the world from the US distributors. I think it is safe to say the US (region 1) versions generally have more features, they come out earlier, and they are cheaper. Region coding is an attempt to protect local distributors from US distributors. These guys pay for lisences to distribute them in their respective region and expect to get a return. Of course its assine and it makes no sense to us, but apperantly they don't think it will affect enough people that it will be an issue.
puck
Only the newer players that were sold with N6 firmware contain a flash rom, and can be flashed via CD-R to a patched N6 version..
Good point but not entirely true. Only the new firmware (N6 or GKB600) is flash upgradeable. However, numerous older players, such as my own came with a flash chip (29F040), the fireware just wasn't smart enough to make use of it. You can easily modify an older an old loophole player that came with an EPROM, however, by removing two "resistors" and popping in a flashchip
Luckily I also have a world VCR so I could decode the damn PAL encoding...
I have some region2 DVDs too. I bought an Apex because it readily swiches its output to either pal or ntsc. There is a button on the remote, and it switches at the push of the button. I thought that was an awesome feature.
The apex600a that I have is also region 0, and it plays RCE disks fine. I have never had a problem, nor has anyone in the Apex600a forums. Even if RCE did stop me from viewing a DVD, I can switch regions rather easily by flashing my player with a CD. Check these sites out for more info:
This certainly is old news, but you do not have to have a region selectable player. I've seen plently of region 0 players that play RCE disks fine. I happen to own one. I modified my firmware on my apex600a by CDR to region 0 without macrovision. The newest firmware plays the RCE disks fine. No work arounds or hassels at all.
Learn more about it here:
http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk
I can't tell you how its done because I don't know, but I do know there is a way around it on region 0 players.
I own an Apex600a set to region 0. I upgraded it to the newest firware recently, so it does not have the famous loopholes menu, so its set to region 0 unless I flash it again by CD. The new firmware playes RCE encoded disks fine. As a matter of fact, not a single RCE disk has been discovered that won't work in the Apex600a with its newer firmware. Kinda cool, huh?
Check out this site for more info about the Apex600a, it is probably the most hacked DVD player this is:
I own an Apex600a, and, first, I would highly recommend you upgrade your firmware to something that actually plays new DVD's well. The loophopes firmware, the A8, is very old and has too many bugs to list here.
The newer firmwares like the N6 and GK600B are CDR flashable and if you set them to region 0, RCE will not affect you! That's right, not a single RCE DVD released to this date stops you from viewing it on a region 0 player. Even if it did, you could just flashupgrade by CDRW to the region of your choice.
The newer firmwares fix all the seamless branching problems that have plague the player, and you can easily obtain upgrades for you DVD-ROM in the Apex as well. Their are a number of other hacks as well, you can change your background picture, turn off the macrovision, put in a DVD-ROM from your computer to replace the DVD-ROM in the Apex if it goes out. There are dual boot options that have been worked out. The conscencus is, though, among most apex users, that the loopholes firmware isn't worth using and to use the newer versions.
Check out these sites for more info, new firware, and patches to the new firmware so you can turn macrovision and change regions:
Don't get me wrong, it seems cool in concept. But these people are spending our money on this. The only reason for this vehicle mentioned in the article was escape an embassy being overthrown. I don't doubt there aren't uses for this, but I'd like to know what they are.
Q: why do you think it needs humidity and organic matter?
A: Because those are the conditions perfect for Aspergillus. Aflatoxin is a toxin, not an organism. It is produced by an organism, and to my knowledge the only one that does is Aspergillus
American researchers found a rare hospital fungus "Aspergillus fumigatus" in their intensive care wards following the installation of computers.
Dr Forstall said the fungal contaminations were first discovered when the computers were introduced into his hospital's 23-bed Intensive Care Unit (ICU).
I'm a medical student and have done some rounds with the doctor incharge of microorganisms at our hospital, so I can say fairly confidently that they were testing for the stuff long before the computers arrived. Granted, I'm in the US, but culturing for bacteria is not that expensive. The article says the fungus was found in the wards after the introduction of the computers. Assuming they've been tesing all along, which I'm bet there were, I think its fair to say the computers were a reservior for the bugs.
You are right, Aspergillus is everywhere in the environment, and probably is occasionaly introduced to IC units in other ways, but those places are cleaned reguarly and bed sheets are more often thrown away and burned rather than reused. So I'm sure it gets introduced other ways occasionally, but once the source leaves or is cleaned, its gone. Now the computers on the otherhand it seems were overlooked as a source and provided a regular source of contamination which to a patient lacking a cell mediated type of immunity (ie. AIDS, organ transplant patients) can be deadly.
Like you said, though, no one healthy would have to worry about this unless you started licking your computer clean! Aspergillus is known to produce a toxin called aflatoxin, which can cause liver damage and liver cancer. Normally this is only seen in areas of Africa south of the Sahara desert where the mold tends to grow on there food before it is eaten.
He had a masters in engineering...i don't know the area off hand. But, uh, he couldn't light a pilot light. All one has to do, is like, take off a panel and light the flame. Very small learning curve
puck
I mean, come on, just because the guy did not complete a college degree doesn't make him an idiot. It seems too many people are down on this guy just because he doesn't have a degree behind his name. Don't get me wrong, I do find the magnitude and risks of this undertaking quite high. That's a no brainer. But who here is to say he won't pull this off. If its because he has no degree, I say think again.
One thing I keep learning as I get older, there are a lot of idiots with degrees out there, engineers and computer scientists included. I have a neighbor who works for Boeing, has a masters engineering. He supposedly designs the consoles in F15's. This same guy has his pilot light go out a few years ago in his water heater, and had no idea how to relight it! So he came over and ask my step-father, who has no degree, to come over and fix it for him.
My step-father on the other hand can do about anything he wants. I've seen him build computers, write his own programs, fix cars, build cars from scrap, build an in ground pool of his own design, add on to our garage, repair air conditioners and heaters, wire commercial building, and build a network at his work...he's supposed to be the maintenance guy. Did I mention he only had a high school graduation?
Of course there are idiots w/o degrees and geniuses with several, but there is no good correlation (ie. degree=intelligent) that I have noticed in my admittedly short time on earth. Just a lot of idiots that think they know something because they have a degree.
Mr. Walker should be commended for his ambition, its people like this that change the world.
I have some reservations about this. As mentioned in the article, what about the backbone. Who cares if everyone has a 100mps connection if the backbone is always congested? But, if what this company claims it will do is true and effective, that is amazing. So of course, now I'm wondering why in the United States something like this wouldn't be possible.
Is the US too big for something like this to be cost effective. Japan is very condensed, you can get a lot of costumers in a very small area. The US much more spread out.
Are the large companies too intimidating for a small, progressive company with a vision to try something like this? And what about the large companies, if something like this is economically feasible, why aren't they all over this? Maybe, they have too much money invested in DSL/cable at the moment to jump ship. Just some thoughts
I mean, come on, these guys were rather well educated, and besides doing their daily duties, what else did they have to do all day, but persue what ever interested them. I bet monks thought made a lot of interesting discoveries that may have never been passed on. Mendel (also a monk), despite fudging some data, was for example the first to propose the allele concept in genetics, and no one even noticed his work until long after the fact.
puck
Is it me or is this just an obviously bad idea? What's happens when the plan has to land? You service dies? I can just imagine being in the middle of a D/L. "ERROR 408 Plane has crashed. Page cannot be found" Speaking of which are they going to host web servers on the plane?
The story did say they would have 3 planes over metropolitan areas. I would think that would be redundant enough to allow to take-offs and landing for refueling, swithcing out pilots, ect.
puck
Yes there was. I remember talking about it in undergrad about it. All the details escape me, BUT I do remember that the data did not strongly support the conclusions that were made. In addition, even if you assume the guy had solid methods and had truely random samples, the results were statistically insignificant. I found that rather amusing considering I was taught about that in my science classes since like 1st grade.
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The Clie is a viable option. I have one. I did not buy it for mp3 use, but it certainly works for such. If all you are looking for is an mp3 player, I would not recommend the Clie. It only supports 3 different bitrates, the hightest being 133 or something weird like that.
Also, I use a 64 mb white 'MagicGate' sony memory stick to put my mp3's on. It works fine. No copy protection as far as I can tell. I haven't tried to copy mp3's off of it to my computer, but I doubt that is a problem. It comes up on windows as a removable storage device and you can copy files to and fro without a problem. I don't think mp3's will be any different. Anyone know for sure? I check it out when I get home.
puck
I know everyone here loves to find a reason to bash microsoft, myself included, but this smells of a troll to me. This is just too hard for me to believe without actually witnessing it myself.
puck
That is so not true and God forbid if I listened to some loud music in my car anyway. Run! its the loud music police. I generally do not listen to my music loud, but so what if I did. Sure its the safest thing, but damn, its not that big of a deal. Really, what percentage of the info you need drive correctly comes from hearing? not much.
Seriously, though, there is a huge difference btwn CD and radio quality, even at low volumes. This is especially true for the higher and lower ranges in my own opinion. There's no clarity to the high stuff and the low stuff is virtually non-existant on the radio...and its very noticable at low volumes. I don't consider myself a manic audiophile either. I bought my shit from CC or Best Buy mostly, and most of them 'experts' would scoff at my system. But its fine for me and its a great deal better than a factory system. Its certainly good enough that any untrained ear (such as mine) can tell there is a huge difference.
puck
I can vouch for this! I had a patient about 6 monthes ago that came into the ER. He was on the job working for WX when he started having some medical problems. Prior to coming in, he was working on installing these antennas here in St. Louis so the signal could be picked up in areas where the satellite signal couldn't make it.
puck
I found a much better article on MSNBC and it talks about a company called iBiquity which has technology so local stations will be able to broadcast in digital and analog over the same frequency.
The only reason I had for being interested in the radio satallite service was having nice CD quality sound without the hassle of f'in with my mp3's or CDs. Well, if locals start doing the same thing evenutally, but for free, and it sounds like they will, these guys are gonna be hard pressed to get customers. I, personally, found the idea of getting the high quality sound appealling, because honestly, sound from radio with my car or home stero systems just sounds bad compared to CDs. I'd love to get the digital sound, but I think I can wait for my locals to start broadcasting it for free. I mean, why waste the money on a satellite radio, if I'm gonna end up getting one for my locals evetually anyway.
puck
I found this info in their FAQ. Not too many details, but it claims to be CD quality.
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Why don't the website audio streams have the same high sound quality as heard on an XM Radio? We stream our audio samples on the Web using Windows Media at an encoded 32kbps. Although this low bit rate may sacrifice detail and quality of sound on the web, it ensures that all web users, from dial-up to T3, will be able to easily listen to a sampling of XM programming. The sound quality of the XM Radio service in cars and homes is notably higher. You won't be able to tell the difference between XM and a CD playing.
http://www.xmradio.com/faq/help_sub.jsp?id=32&off
For me its not about the commercials. It would be about the quality of the sound and not having to deal with getting out the CD or mp3s. I personally don't have as much time as I would like so the radio is often convient for me. The problem I have with the radio, though, isn't so much the commercials as the quality of the sound I'm picking up. I have a fairly descent sound system and the differnce in sound between the radio and a CD is enormous. So, for me, *if* I can get some high quality sounds out of satillite radio, I'd consider signing up.
puck
I was thinking the same thing, but just because its digital doesn't mean its high quality. So does anyone know what the quality of this music is? It if its CD quality, then there's a good reason to get exited. This would be great to hack so you could record all kinds of tunes. Otherwise, would it really be worth the time to hack (unless your doing out of interest of fun) if the recordings are gonna suck anyway.
puck
Under the SSSCA, industry groups have a year to agree on a security standard, or the Commerce Department will step in and decide on one. Sunshine laws would not apply to meetings held in conjunction with the law, and industry organizations would be immune from antitrust prosecution.
And it will take us about 1 week at best to figure out a way around it if necessary.
Seriously though, this is scary and it makes me feel very good that OS's like Linux, BEOS, and Atheos are in existance....something like this could never fly without it built into the hardware, and god knows the hardware manufactures aren't gonna like this, much less the consumers....even the common Joe Shmoes out there. I doubt Joe's gonna be happy to find out he can't make his own custom CD's with EZ coaster creator with his brand new top of the line machine a few years from now.
puck
I certainly realize this is what their reasoning is, but it doesn't make it right, and if that is there reason then they came up with a horrible solution. Here is why: Shouldn't a region 1 DVD work two or three years later in region 2 after it has been released there? If that was there only reason, then yes, they would build in some time print on each DVD so it would eventually work everywhere. They don't do that though do they? why? Because that is not the only reason. The other is to protect all the distributors in the world from the US distributors. I think it is safe to say the US (region 1) versions generally have more features, they come out earlier, and they are cheaper. Region coding is an attempt to protect local distributors from US distributors. These guys pay for lisences to distribute them in their respective region and expect to get a return. Of course its assine and it makes no sense to us, but apperantly they don't think it will affect enough people that it will be an issue. puck
Only the newer players that were sold with N6 firmware contain a flash rom, and can be flashed via CD-R to a patched N6 version..
Good point but not entirely true. Only the new firmware (N6 or GKB600) is flash upgradeable. However, numerous older players, such as my own came with a flash chip (29F040), the fireware just wasn't smart enough to make use of it. You can easily modify an older an old loophole player that came with an EPROM, however, by removing two "resistors" and popping in a flashchip
Luckily I also have a world VCR so I could decode the damn PAL encoding...
I have some region2 DVDs too. I bought an Apex because it readily swiches its output to either pal or ntsc. There is a button on the remote, and it switches at the push of the button. I thought that was an awesome feature.
The apex600a that I have is also region 0, and it plays RCE disks fine. I have never had a problem, nor has anyone in the Apex600a forums. Even if RCE did stop me from viewing a DVD, I can switch regions rather easily by flashing my player with a CD. Check these sites out for more info:
http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk/600/600.htm
http://nerd-out.com/forum
puck
This certainly is old news, but you do not have to have a region selectable player. I've seen plently of region 0 players that play RCE disks fine. I happen to own one. I modified my firmware on my apex600a by CDR to region 0 without macrovision. The newest firmware plays the RCE disks fine. No work arounds or hassels at all.
Learn more about it here:
http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk
puck
I can't tell you how its done because I don't know, but I do know there is a way around it on region 0 players. I own an Apex600a set to region 0. I upgraded it to the newest firware recently, so it does not have the famous loopholes menu, so its set to region 0 unless I flash it again by CD. The new firmware playes RCE encoded disks fine. As a matter of fact, not a single RCE disk has been discovered that won't work in the Apex600a with its newer firmware. Kinda cool, huh?
Check out this site for more info about the Apex600a, it is probably the most hacked DVD player this is:
http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk
puck
I own an Apex600a, and, first, I would highly recommend you upgrade your firmware to something that actually plays new DVD's well. The loophopes firmware, the A8, is very old and has too many bugs to list here.
The newer firmwares like the N6 and GK600B are CDR flashable and if you set them to region 0, RCE will not affect you! That's right, not a single RCE DVD released to this date stops you from viewing it on a region 0 player. Even if it did, you could just flashupgrade by CDRW to the region of your choice.
The newer firmwares fix all the seamless branching problems that have plague the player, and you can easily obtain upgrades for you DVD-ROM in the Apex as well. Their are a number of other hacks as well, you can change your background picture, turn off the macrovision, put in a DVD-ROM from your computer to replace the DVD-ROM in the Apex if it goes out. There are dual boot options that have been worked out. The conscencus is, though, among most apex users, that the loopholes firmware isn't worth using and to use the newer versions.
Check out these sites for more info, new firware, and patches to the new firmware so you can turn macrovision and change regions:
http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk
www.nerd-out.com/forum
puck
Don't get me wrong, it seems cool in concept. But these people are spending our money on this. The only reason for this vehicle mentioned in the article was escape an embassy being overthrown. I don't doubt there aren't uses for this, but I'd like to know what they are.
puck
Q: why do you think it needs humidity and organic matter?
A: Because those are the conditions perfect for Aspergillus. Aflatoxin is a toxin, not an organism. It is produced by an organism, and to my knowledge the only one that does is Aspergillus
I have to agree. I live in St. Louis in the US. Just about every gas station here sells diesel and its usually cheaper than the regular stuff.
Puck
American researchers found a rare hospital fungus "Aspergillus fumigatus" in their intensive care wards following the installation of computers. Dr Forstall said the fungal contaminations were first discovered when the computers were introduced into his hospital's 23-bed Intensive Care Unit (ICU).
I'm a medical student and have done some rounds with the doctor incharge of microorganisms at our hospital, so I can say fairly confidently that they were testing for the stuff long before the computers arrived. Granted, I'm in the US, but culturing for bacteria is not that expensive. The article says the fungus was found in the wards after the introduction of the computers. Assuming they've been tesing all along, which I'm bet there were, I think its fair to say the computers were a reservior for the bugs.
You are right, Aspergillus is everywhere in the environment, and probably is occasionaly introduced to IC units in other ways, but those places are cleaned reguarly and bed sheets are more often thrown away and burned rather than reused. So I'm sure it gets introduced other ways occasionally, but once the source leaves or is cleaned, its gone. Now the computers on the otherhand it seems were overlooked as a source and provided a regular source of contamination which to a patient lacking a cell mediated type of immunity (ie. AIDS, organ transplant patients) can be deadly.
Like you said, though, no one healthy would have to worry about this unless you started licking your computer clean! Aspergillus is known to produce a toxin called aflatoxin, which can cause liver damage and liver cancer. Normally this is only seen in areas of Africa south of the Sahara desert where the mold tends to grow on there food before it is eaten.
puck
He had a masters in engineering...i don't know the area off hand. But, uh, he couldn't light a pilot light. All one has to do, is like, take off a panel and light the flame. Very small learning curve puck
I mean, come on, just because the guy did not complete a college degree doesn't make him an idiot. It seems too many people are down on this guy just because he doesn't have a degree behind his name. Don't get me wrong, I do find the magnitude and risks of this undertaking quite high. That's a no brainer. But who here is to say he won't pull this off. If its because he has no degree, I say think again.
One thing I keep learning as I get older, there are a lot of idiots with degrees out there, engineers and computer scientists included. I have a neighbor who works for Boeing, has a masters engineering. He supposedly designs the consoles in F15's. This same guy has his pilot light go out a few years ago in his water heater, and had no idea how to relight it! So he came over and ask my step-father, who has no degree, to come over and fix it for him.
My step-father on the other hand can do about anything he wants. I've seen him build computers, write his own programs, fix cars, build cars from scrap, build an in ground pool of his own design, add on to our garage, repair air conditioners and heaters, wire commercial building, and build a network at his work...he's supposed to be the maintenance guy. Did I mention he only had a high school graduation?
Of course there are idiots w/o degrees and geniuses with several, but there is no good correlation (ie. degree=intelligent) that I have noticed in my admittedly short time on earth. Just a lot of idiots that think they know something because they have a degree.
Mr. Walker should be commended for his ambition, its people like this that change the world.
puck
I have some reservations about this. As mentioned in the article, what about the backbone. Who cares if everyone has a 100mps connection if the backbone is always congested? But, if what this company claims it will do is true and effective, that is amazing. So of course, now I'm wondering why in the United States something like this wouldn't be possible.
Is the US too big for something like this to be cost effective. Japan is very condensed, you can get a lot of costumers in a very small area. The US much more spread out.
Are the large companies too intimidating for a small, progressive company with a vision to try something like this? And what about the large companies, if something like this is economically feasible, why aren't they all over this? Maybe, they have too much money invested in DSL/cable at the moment to jump ship. Just some thoughts
I mean, come on, these guys were rather well educated, and besides doing their daily duties, what else did they have to do all day, but persue what ever interested them. I bet monks thought made a lot of interesting discoveries that may have never been passed on. Mendel (also a monk), despite fudging some data, was for example the first to propose the allele concept in genetics, and no one even noticed his work until long after the fact. puck
Is it me or is this just an obviously bad idea? What's happens when the plan has to land? You service dies? I can just imagine being in the middle of a D/L. "ERROR 408 Plane has crashed. Page cannot be found" Speaking of which are they going to host web servers on the plane?
The story did say they would have 3 planes over metropolitan areas. I would think that would be redundant enough to allow to take-offs and landing for refueling, swithcing out pilots, ect. puck
Yes there was. I remember talking about it in undergrad about it. All the details escape me, BUT I do remember that the data did not strongly support the conclusions that were made. In addition, even if you assume the guy had solid methods and had truely random samples, the results were statistically insignificant. I found that rather amusing considering I was taught about that in my science classes since like 1st grade.
puck