The original comment was very wrong about the status of the document by Fred Baker. It is currently an Internet-Draft, which is a type of document/anyone/ can write and submit (though Fred is definitely not just anyone). An I-D can then be advanced to RFC status, after the apropriate Area Director forwards it to the IESG for consideration. Only after the IESG approves it, and it has made it past the RFC Editor is it considered a product of the IETF and has any real standardization status.
If Spanning Tree is what brought them down, and it had campus wide effect, then they're running their production networks as one big flat layer 2 network. This is almost definitely the root of the problem. Modern network design would divide the campus (and often individual buildings) into multiple subnets, using routing to get between nets. That way if something like STP goes wrong in one spot, it doesn't affect the others.
Building a parallel identical net is almost definitely the wrong answer. Especially if it uses the same design and equipment!
Unfortunately, often older networks grow in a piecemeal way and end up like this, commonly having application level stuff that requires it to be flat. The job of a good network engineer (and diplomat) is to slowly have all the apps converted to being routable and then subnet the net.
Just a minor correction. It's not Gilmore who can't see the books that's the issue, rather that Karl Auerbach (the NA elected representative) can't see the books. Check out Karl's saga at http://www.cavebear.com .
Otto,
Does this mean that they're using a different code load on the AT&T than the rest of the current gen? My Sony SA running 2.5.1 is reporting "2.1.24-TiVo-2.5 (build@buildmaster17) (gcc version 2.8.1) #3 Fri Oct 5 10:19:51 PDT 2001".
Just to be clear, this isn't ARIN's plan, this is a joint IAB/IESG recommendation. While it's likely that ARIN (and the other regional registries) will follow it, it's just a recommendation.
Definitely consider speakers from Cambridge Soundworks. They're designed by Henry Kloss (The guy who founded/designed for Polk), and are the best "bang for the buck" speakers I've ever dealt with. I just got my third set of Ensemble II's for my bedroom, and they perform incredibly. Ignore the fact that they've been aquired by Creative... they're still excelent speakers. Check out www.hifi.com
Have you checked out the Nokia 9000 and 9110? They're GSM based phones that have a keyboard, screen, modem, telnet, a terminal emulator which can be married to a RS232 cable, as well as _lots_ more, including a fax, IMAP based mail, web browser, and other goodies. And it's about the size of a 4 yr old traditional cellphone.
My clearest reccolection of this machine being extremely usfull was when I had a machine in San Francisco blow up while I was sitting in a park in Singapore doing sight seeing. I got the call that there was a problem, logged in, found the issue and resolved it, and got back to my trip... total time expended was less than 10 minutes.
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The original comment was very wrong about the status of the document by Fred Baker. It is currently an Internet-Draft, which is a type of document /anyone/ can write and submit (though Fred is definitely not just anyone). An I-D can then be advanced to RFC status, after the apropriate Area Director forwards it to the IESG for consideration. Only after the IESG approves it, and it has made it past the RFC Editor is it considered a product of the IETF and has any real standardization status.
If Spanning Tree is what brought them down, and it had campus wide effect, then they're running their production networks as one big flat layer 2 network. This is almost definitely the root of the problem. Modern network design would divide the campus (and often individual buildings) into multiple subnets, using routing to get between nets. That way if something like STP goes wrong in one spot, it doesn't affect the others.
Building a parallel identical net is almost definitely the wrong answer. Especially if it uses the same design and equipment!
Unfortunately, often older networks grow in a piecemeal way and end up like this, commonly having application level stuff that requires it to be flat. The job of a good network engineer (and diplomat) is to slowly have all the apps converted to being routable and then subnet the net.
Just a minor correction. It's not Gilmore who can't see the books that's the issue, rather that Karl Auerbach (the NA elected representative) can't see the books. Check out Karl's saga at http://www.cavebear.com .
Otto,
Does this mean that they're using a different code load on the AT&T than the rest of the current gen? My Sony SA running 2.5.1 is reporting "2.1.24-TiVo-2.5 (build@buildmaster17) (gcc version 2.8.1) #3 Fri Oct 5 10:19:51 PDT 2001".
Just to be clear, this isn't ARIN's plan, this is a joint IAB/IESG recommendation. While it's likely that ARIN (and the other regional registries) will follow it, it's just a recommendation.
Definitely consider speakers from Cambridge Soundworks. They're designed by Henry Kloss (The guy who founded/designed for Polk), and are the best "bang for the buck" speakers I've ever dealt with. I just got my third set of Ensemble II's for my bedroom, and they perform incredibly. Ignore the fact that they've been aquired by Creative ... they're still excelent speakers. Check out www.hifi.com
Have you checked out the Nokia 9000 and 9110? They're GSM based phones that have a keyboard, screen, modem, telnet, a terminal emulator which can be married to a RS232 cable, as well as _lots_ more, including a fax, IMAP based mail, web browser, and other goodies. And it's about the size of a 4 yr old traditional cellphone.
... total time expended was less than 10 minutes.
My clearest reccolection of this machine being extremely usfull was when I had a machine in San Francisco blow up while I was sitting in a park in Singapore doing sight seeing. I got the call that there was a problem, logged in, found the issue and resolved it, and got back to my trip