Once again natures IP is hijacked and restricted to those who have got the money.
Of course once use becomes widespread and bacteria/virus adapt and mutate we'll be back to the biological arms race. We wouldn't such a problem if doctors were not so quick to prescribe Anti-biotics for every thing and all hygiene products were not anti-bacterial.
We live to clean now. We need some dirt and grime so that are bodies produce their own defences. Reliance on science could kill us all yet.
Hmmmmm how glib a reply for a Friday afternoon (UK).
Yeah good call lets endorse the right to freely copy other peoples work.
The need to you know be paid so I can buy food and shelter - sod it. I don't mind giving it all up so a buch of cheapskates who don't live in the real world can share p0rn/music/movies/games... for which they have'nt paid for.
They did. Online gaming was touted ages before the PS2 came out. But Sony underestimating the surge in popularity of multiplayer games moved to slow.
Xbox however hot on the heels of the PC multiplayer boom included it from the start.
For all their evil MS can be quick to spot a hole in the law...err I mean market and exploit it. They have a tendancy to drive hard when they smell weakness in the opposition. . That and blatent dirty tactics usually put them on top. .
Your right the Uni's do have enough to be doing without policing thier networks - but then perhaps no one would mind a law enforcement agency monitoring the network......but then the privacy argument starts and "Help help my rights are being infringed upon blah blah blah".
At the end of the day if people can get away with it they will some one must enforce the law - you have two choices: 1) Do it in house 2) Have the government/police do it for you
Well as per usual we have a grey situation rather than the easy black and white sort.
I agree with your point why register a domain that clearly already has a trademark/copyright holder. What did they expect to happen?
However WHY had the X/Open group not already registered the domain themselves? Its not like Internet domain names are recent thing, they should have had this registered a long time ago.
I don't know enough about the situation to make statements, but from initial appearances both parties seem to be at fault.
Its the same old problem though - do you ditch what you have already invested and start again or continue trying to improve the current situation.
This decison plagues most projects (and life situations) always has and always will.
The further down the line you are though the harder it is to start again. Always jack it in and start from scratch and you'll never finish or achieve anything. Some things just have to be forced to work no matter how bad they started or became mid project. .
1) Like I say scare them. You don't have to be really in their face "I'll kick you ass" sort of thing, although you could try that;). Emphasise(sp?) the importance of their component and the consequences of not producing. This should be used if their really lacking in motivation but should not be the 1st choice - how they take it will depend on the personality.
2 Preferred option) Get them started. We can all have difficulty starting a project, overcoming a mental inertia is an issue I have most times. Sit with them and start them off - outline a framework and expected milestones for their component. Once you see they should have started regularly review their progress. Not to regular to be intrusive or nagging but enough to know they are expected to produce a quantity of work in a given period (say a week or Wed and Fri?). If it doesn't work See option 1.
In fact sod it - rule with an iron fist muhahahahahahahahahaha.... .
Will hardware DRM functionality go the way that the Pentium 3 CPU ID fiasco did. There was a lot of attention about the invasion of privacy and in the end it never got used. Will hardware DRM go the same way. Present but not used.
Lets face it for the H/W manufacturers to implement this it's going to cost them money. How will MS get everyone to co-operate? Lets face it Big businesses don't play nicely together very often - why this time. What will be their incentive.
If this is an MS ploy to rein in the renegade Linux lovers its very subtle and very clever - it definately needs to be watched. MS is very good at thinking about the long run when it comes to competition.
Then again it could be bollocks and we're all wasting our time:) .
"Compare and contrast to Kazaa from which I have recently got RTCW, Spiderman (movie and game), Fifa World Cup 2002, Freedom Force, Jedi Knight II, and am currently getting GTA3. "
You know what with a list like that it's not surprising they're out to shut this thing down.
Go and buy the games you fscking saprophyte.
Some people need to get paid for they're living.
This place is full of hypocrites - or is it full of children that don't need to work yet? .
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How about P2P company ownership - i.e. an ownership token can be passed through the network. Each time legal action is instigated against an owner the token is passed on.
The cost of constantly instigating action against an "owner" would cripple potential action
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Hmmm this could do more harm than good in the long run. I personally think there are to many people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Perhaps its time tht everyone took on the industries and knocked it through their thick heads that people are tired of being ripped off.
But hey I won't hold my breath and expect to see that sort of consumer action in my life time (if ever). We live in a flock (as in sheep) society - easy pickings for the wolves. .
I once made Removable HDD's used by the UK M.O.D. does that mean I'm liable to be sued by people have been on the receiving end of the UK military - err no I don't think so.
I see you point though - lifes getting pretty stupid at the moment. .
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"Ok, how about I create a website which allows people to submit houses that are worth breaking into and also lets other people search for those houses in their area. "
Fine I'll just go and sue you, the creators of html and the internet for aiding those with criminal intent - err hold on wouldn't those with criminal intent do it any way with or without the tool who cares lets go sue some ass.
Actually a hammer can be used to aid breaking into a house, maybe I should go and sue some of those criminal tool companies.
maybe you only had creationism as science, but sharks are one of the Evolutionary Optimal Predators.
They haven't changed much in 300 million years, they eliminate the weak from the oceans, cut down overpopulation of fish and keep the ocean safe for smart animals.
True but then again sharks are not trying to dominate the world. Prey eveolve themselves to evade being eaten.
Interestingly I would image the business world would reflect this if it we're not for the big businesses (Predators) being able to buy changes in their environment/laws.
3 - 4 years BEEEEEP wrong. And the rest. Like a lots of the posts are saying still using NT4 and Office97 no plans to move.
The longer you keep the software the initail costs of buying are spread over that period. You paying subscription you'll pay top money for the latest and greatest. How may will provide the and at a cheaper rate you can use last years service? Hmmm doubt it for the same reason - when you find one that works and your happy with the longer you use it the less it costs.
All the big businesses have learnt or are learning that constant consumption is required to keep them big. Thats why its in a big businesses interests to make they're products age enough that you need to purchase continuously.
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Don't moan about spelling I have brain lag today.
The thing I've seen XP do is add cost. Not just cost to purchase the s/w. If you've got exotic hardware your in for some fun - expect to spend quite some time ensuring you've got the correct drivers (time = money). Hardware - we all know W'Doze capacity to strangle the performance of the latest H/W.
I'm also a little dubious of all the port connection requests to my personal firewall from some very obscure (and irrelevant) parts of the system.
I don't see why this was marked flamebait. Its quite a reasonable comment - There are plenty and increasing numbers of people moaning "this is crap there are no tools", and fewer people who do something about it.
People are very quick to anounce there is a hole in the dam but very few who walk up to the dam and plug the hole.
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Once again natures IP is hijacked and restricted to those who have got the money.
Of course once use becomes widespread and bacteria/virus adapt and mutate we'll be back to the biological arms race. We wouldn't such a problem if doctors were not so quick to prescribe Anti-biotics for every thing and all hygiene products were not anti-bacterial.
We live to clean now. We need some dirt and grime so that are bodies produce their own defences. Reliance on science could kill us all yet.
Hmmmmm how glib a reply for a Friday afternoon (UK).
Have a good weekend all.
Yeah good call lets endorse the right to freely copy other peoples work.
The need to you know be paid so I can buy food and shelter - sod it. I don't mind giving it all up so a buch of cheapskates who don't live in the real world can share p0rn/music/movies/games... for which they have'nt paid for.
You put up such a convincing argument.
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Yeah, running the cable for it would be fun as well. :)
They did. Online gaming was touted ages before the PS2 came out. But Sony underestimating the surge in popularity of multiplayer games moved to slow.
Xbox however hot on the heels of the PC multiplayer boom included it from the start.
For all their evil MS can be quick to spot a hole in the law...err I mean market and exploit it. They have a tendancy to drive hard when they smell weakness in the opposition.
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That and blatent dirty tactics usually put them on top.
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"How is this different from Parallel computing?"
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Its all in the pattern in which you arrange the servers.
Parallel, butteryfly, grid, hexagon, hypercube.......
We're gonna need grid computering soon to keep up with the hardware requirements for these new games.
There's no way I can keep up with the current hardware/game arms race thats going on.
Yeah but in all truth most people are guilty...
I would wage most people have an illegal copy of some sort (software/music/videos).
If most people can get away with it - they will try it.
Your right the Uni's do have enough to be doing without policing thier networks - but then perhaps no one would mind a law enforcement agency monitoring the network......but then the privacy argument starts and "Help help my rights are being infringed upon blah blah blah".
At the end of the day if people can get away with it they will some one must enforce the law - you have two choices:
1) Do it in house
2) Have the government/police do it for you
What would you prefer?
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Well as per usual we have a grey situation rather than the easy black and white sort.
I agree with your point why register a domain that clearly already has a trademark/copyright holder. What did they expect to happen?
However WHY had the X/Open group not already registered the domain themselves? Its not like Internet domain names are recent thing, they should have had this registered a long time ago.
I don't know enough about the situation to make statements, but from initial appearances both parties seem to be at fault.
Won't work with every one.
I confront a challenge. If you threaten to hit me with a stick you damn well better do it. Shit out and you'll won't be respected.
I understand the bluffing concept but a word of advice: Don't make a threat(statement) you can't backup, at least in some way.
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Its the same old problem though - do you ditch what you have already invested and start again or continue trying to improve the current situation.
This decison plagues most projects (and life situations) always has and always will.
The further down the line you are though the harder it is to start again. Always jack it in and start from scratch and you'll never finish or achieve anything. Some things just have to be forced to work no matter how bad they started or became mid project.
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There are two ways to go about this:
1) Like I say scare them. You don't have to be really in their face "I'll kick you ass" sort of thing, although you could try that;). Emphasise(sp?) the importance of their component and the consequences of not producing. This should be used if their really lacking in motivation but should not be the 1st choice - how they take it will depend on the personality.
2 Preferred option) Get them started. We can all have difficulty starting a project, overcoming a mental inertia is an issue I have most times. Sit with them and start them off - outline a framework and expected milestones for their component. Once you see they should have started regularly review their progress. Not to regular to be intrusive or nagging but enough to know they are expected to produce a quantity of work in a given period (say a week or Wed and Fri?). If it doesn't work See option 1.
In fact sod it - rule with an iron fist muhahahahahahahahahaha....
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Will hardware DRM functionality go the way that the Pentium 3 CPU ID fiasco did. There was a lot of attention about the invasion of privacy and in the end it never got used. Will hardware DRM go the same way. Present but not used.
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Lets face it for the H/W manufacturers to implement this it's going to cost them money. How will MS get everyone to co-operate? Lets face it Big businesses don't play nicely together very often - why this time. What will be their incentive.
If this is an MS ploy to rein in the renegade Linux lovers its very subtle and very clever - it definately needs to be watched. MS is very good at thinking about the long run when it comes to competition.
Then again it could be bollocks and we're all wasting our time
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"Compare and contrast to Kazaa from which I have recently got RTCW, Spiderman (movie and game), Fifa World Cup 2002, Freedom Force, Jedi Knight II, and am currently getting GTA3.
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You know what with a list like that it's not surprising they're out to shut this thing down.
Go and buy the games you fscking saprophyte.
Some people need to get paid for they're living.
This place is full of hypocrites - or is it full of children that don't need to work yet?
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How about P2P company ownership - i.e. an ownership token can be passed through the network. Each time legal action is instigated against an owner the token is passed on.
The cost of constantly instigating action against an "owner" would cripple potential action
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Hmmm this could do more harm than good in the long run. I personally think there are to many people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Perhaps its time tht everyone took on the industries and knocked it through their thick heads that people are tired of being ripped off.
But hey I won't hold my breath and expect to see that sort of consumer action in my life time (if ever). We live in a flock (as in sheep) society - easy pickings for the wolves.
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I once made Removable HDD's used by the UK M.O.D. does that mean I'm liable to be sued by people have been on the receiving end of the UK military - err no I don't think so.
I see you point though - lifes getting pretty stupid at the moment.
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"Ok, how about I create a website which allows people to submit houses that are worth breaking into and also lets other people search for those houses in their area. "
Fine I'll just go and sue you, the creators of html and the internet for aiding those with criminal intent - err hold on wouldn't those with criminal intent do it any way with or without the tool who cares lets go sue some ass.
Actually a hammer can be used to aid breaking into a house, maybe I should go and sue some of those criminal tool companies.
:p
Could be an inside job - easier to do than an external hack. You'd know when the system is being checked aswell.
maybe you only had creationism as science, but sharks are one of the Evolutionary Optimal Predators.
They haven't changed much in 300 million years, they eliminate the weak from the oceans, cut down overpopulation of fish and keep the ocean safe for smart animals.
True but then again sharks are not trying to dominate the world. Prey eveolve themselves to evade being eaten.
Interestingly I would image the business world would reflect this if it we're not for the big businesses (Predators) being able to buy changes in their environment/laws.
Its an analogy with further potencial though.
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Doubtful that most individual/small buiness descriptions will even be acknowledged when this break. They'll look after the big corp subscribers.
3 - 4 years BEEEEEP wrong. And the rest. Like a lots of the posts are saying still using NT4 and Office97 no plans to move.
The longer you keep the software the initail costs of buying are spread over that period. You paying subscription you'll pay top money for the latest and greatest. How may will provide the and at a cheaper rate you can use last years service? Hmmm doubt it for the same reason - when you find one that works and your happy with the longer you use it the less it costs.
All the big businesses have learnt or are learning that constant consumption is required to keep them big. Thats why its in a big businesses interests to make they're products age enough that you need to purchase continuously.
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Don't moan about spelling I have brain lag today.
The thing I've seen XP do is add cost. Not just cost to purchase the s/w. If you've got exotic hardware your in for some fun - expect to spend quite some time ensuring you've got the correct drivers (time = money). Hardware - we all know W'Doze capacity to strangle the performance of the latest H/W.
I'm also a little dubious of all the port connection requests to my personal firewall from some very obscure (and irrelevant) parts of the system.
It's lots of hassle for very little benefit.
I don't see why this was marked flamebait. Its quite a reasonable comment - There are plenty and increasing numbers of people moaning "this is crap there are no tools", and fewer people who do something about it.
People are very quick to anounce there is a hole in the dam but very few who walk up to the dam and plug the hole.
No flame intended - its an observation.
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Write something that will do the job. Atleast start something and get people involved.
Opensource is starting to suffer from to many users (demands) and not enough developers.
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Do you actively promote your site?
How do you diffrentiate from other hacker/security sites?
Who is your target audience?
Do you actualy want to?
Most sites set out as a learning experience (hmm parallel with Open source projects) and for the most part aren't intended to be mush else.