Apt-get dist upgrade is not supported, not guaranteed to work, and is basically guaranteed to break something at this stage. Last I heard there were no plans to make it work either.
I know, I've done it on several Red Hat systems. I've always had to go back and repair some packages that mysteriously break.
I'm not some Debian zealot, I'm a Red Hat sysadmin first and foremost.
Just note that errata feed runs dry about 8 months after release. Unless you are willing up upgrade your distro more than once a year, Fedora is not suitable.
There are no plans for easier upgrades either (like apt-get dist upgrade), so you have to have downtime while you reboot from the CD.
They claim that the EULA shouldn't be taken to override the individual package's licenses, but that part doesn't jive with the other parts. If the individual package licenses really took precedent, most of the rest of it would be unenforcable.
4. REPORTING AND AUDIT. If Customer wishes to increase the number of Installed System, then Customer will purchase from Red Hat additional Services for each additional Installed System. During the term of this Agreement and for one (1) year thereafter, Customer expressly grants to Red Hat the right to audit Customer's facilities and records from time to time in order to verify Customer's compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.
Even though they say that the agreement doesn't limit your rights under the packages licenses, if that were really true, then Item 4 I pasted above would be unenforcable. Why would they include the Item 4 if they didn't intend to enforce it?
They were educated guesses. I've maintained Red Hat servers for several years now, and I'd say 1 gigabyte per year is about average for a server with nearly every package installed. I doubled that, so my numbers are extra conservative.
All the other costs are fixed costs, the bandwidth's the only variable cost.
Depends on what you mean by production server. Many small companies/VARs build their own hardware and use free software on production servers, people in that position only need the updates.
We're migrating to Debian currently due to this Red Hat policy change, so I'd say Debian should get a good boost, especially if they hit their December target for the next stable version.
They only need to update the packages once, that's a fixed cost, no matter how many subscribe to RHN.
The only variable cost is the bandwidth, lets say 2gbyte per server per year, it's probably lower than that. That's 62 bytes/sec per server subscribed, if you average it out. That's 3000 servers on a T1 worth of bandwidth.
Yes, this is about money, but their logic is faulty. They think that most of the RHN users will mostly upgrade to RHEL. This is where they are very wrong. Most of us don't need phone in support, we just need updates, and we are willing to pay a reasonable amount for it. Maybe up to $100 per server per year. That's about what RHN used to cost, before they lowered the price to $60 a year.
But not $350 per server per year, with an EULA to rival something from MSFT. In my eyes, the EULA is a bigger deal than the money. I might want to spend the money, if I didn't feel like I was giving up all my rights under the GPL just to get updates for a server.
One thing that can be done is that someone can take RHEL and compile it from source RPMs, and redistribute it without trademarked art.
The only hitch to this is that Red Hat has a services EULA that forbids redistribution once you buy their services.
Apparently, unless you want to give up your rights under the GPL, you must never purchase RHEL. If you can manage to never purchase a copy then you can run the compiled sanitary version without red hat logos, and use apt-get to update it from public servers.
My company has over a dozen Red Hat servers, about $900 a year in RHN seats. That's $900 a year Red Hat's getting just for providing us updates, no support.
We're migrating slowly to Debian since this latest Red Hat policy change was announced.
This article pretty much sums up what I am facing.
You know what's worse? When the road-paving industry just dumps gravel out on the road, and billions of nano gravel particles go everywhere into the environment.
They assume it's safe because gravel is safe in larger sizes! What idiots!
"What this says to me, is that too many whites are getting away with drug use....The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river too."
Advocating throwing nonviolent people in prision because they put something into their own bodies that the government doesn't want them to... That sure sounds like hate speech to me.
Rush only now seems to be realizing the stupidity of the war on drugs, now that it has bit him.
I think one point that is often overlooked in the crusade of eliminating Saddam from Iraq (very unlikely, but still worth the thought) is the impact it will have on the Iraqi economy (global perhaps??).
Just blink for a second, Saddam falls from power tomorrow. How many people will lose their jobs? Defense integrators? Partners? Businesses that rely on them for support? Foot soldiers on the ground? They have build a co-dependent ecosystems that kept the economy afloat in these past couple of years of economic hardship.
Just worth a thought to think a world of tomorrow without Saddam.
I get letters back from my Senators. Most of the time they disagree with me, but at least they get their staffers to write me back to tell me that they disagree.
Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access.
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Apt-get dist upgrade is not supported, not guaranteed to work, and is basically guaranteed to break something at this stage. Last I heard there were no plans to make it work either.
I know, I've done it on several Red Hat systems. I've always had to go back and repair some packages that mysteriously break.
I'm not some Debian zealot, I'm a Red Hat sysadmin first and foremost.
Just note that errata feed runs dry about 8 months after release. Unless you are willing up upgrade your distro more than once a year, Fedora is not suitable.
There are no plans for easier upgrades either (like apt-get dist upgrade), so you have to have downtime while you reboot from the CD.
They claim that the EULA shouldn't be taken to override the individual package's licenses, but that part doesn't jive with the other parts. If the individual package licenses really took precedent, most of the rest of it would be unenforcable.
The FSF is currently looking into it the last I heard.
This was covered on slashdot.
And here too.
It says you can't redistribute the service
How do you redistribute a service?
http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhel_us_3.html
4. REPORTING AND AUDIT. If Customer wishes to increase the number of Installed System, then Customer will purchase from Red Hat additional Services for each additional Installed System. During the term of this Agreement and for one (1) year thereafter, Customer expressly grants to Red Hat the right to audit Customer's facilities and records from time to time in order to verify Customer's compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.
Even though they say that the agreement doesn't limit your rights under the packages licenses, if that were really true, then Item 4 I pasted above would be unenforcable. Why would they include the Item 4 if they didn't intend to enforce it?
They were educated guesses. I've maintained Red Hat servers for several years now, and I'd say 1 gigabyte per year is about average for a server with nearly every package installed. I doubled that, so my numbers are extra conservative.
All the other costs are fixed costs, the bandwidth's the only variable cost.
Depends on what you mean by production server. Many small companies/VARs build their own hardware and use free software on production servers, people in that position only need the updates.
We're migrating to Debian currently due to this Red Hat policy change, so I'd say Debian should get a good boost, especially if they hit their December target for the next stable version.
Debian stable uses incredibly ancient packages (Ghostscript 6.53?!), and yet it is the only version you can run if you want timely security updates.
That's the main drawback.
I'm sure there's a way to cause certain packages to track newer releases, but every time I try that, apt-get upgrades the whole OS.
Where do you think freshrpms gets the errata updates?
Like Debian, only not suitable for servers because it's like Debian unstable, with no version ever hitting stable.
How can they possibly lose money?
They only need to update the packages once, that's a fixed cost, no matter how many subscribe to RHN.
The only variable cost is the bandwidth, lets say 2gbyte per server per year, it's probably lower than that. That's 62 bytes/sec per server subscribed, if you average it out. That's 3000 servers on a T1 worth of bandwidth.
Yes, this is about money, but their logic is faulty. They think that most of the RHN users will mostly upgrade to RHEL. This is where they are very wrong. Most of us don't need phone in support, we just need updates, and we are willing to pay a reasonable amount for it. Maybe up to $100 per server per year. That's about what RHN used to cost, before they lowered the price to $60 a year.
But not $350 per server per year, with an EULA to rival something from MSFT. In my eyes, the EULA is a bigger deal than the money. I might want to spend the money, if I didn't feel like I was giving up all my rights under the GPL just to get updates for a server.
One thing that can be done is that someone can take RHEL and compile it from source RPMs, and redistribute it without trademarked art.
The only hitch to this is that Red Hat has a services EULA that forbids redistribution once you buy their services.
Apparently, unless you want to give up your rights under the GPL, you must never purchase RHEL. If you can manage to never purchase a copy then you can run the compiled sanitary version without red hat logos, and use apt-get to update it from public servers.
My company has over a dozen Red Hat servers, about $900 a year in RHN seats. That's $900 a year Red Hat's getting just for providing us updates, no support.
We're migrating slowly to Debian since this latest Red Hat policy change was announced.
This article pretty much sums up what I am facing.
You know what's worse? When the road-paving industry just dumps gravel out on the road, and billions of nano gravel particles go everywhere into the environment.
They assume it's safe because gravel is safe in larger sizes! What idiots!
It's still good to see some media stories when engineers plan for something disasterous and it turns out right.
:)
If all you did was watch the Discovery channel, you'd think all engineers had a bad problem forseeing natural disasters.
People who do drugs cause harm to others
What harm is that?
I was planning on playing, but I ate some meat earlier and I feel deathly sick.
"What this says to me, is that too many whites are getting away with drug use....The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river too."
Advocating throwing nonviolent people in prision because they put something into their own bodies that the government doesn't want them to... That sure sounds like hate speech to me.
Rush only now seems to be realizing the stupidity of the war on drugs, now that it has bit him.
Why do you think I must be a conservative?
Rush is a hypocritical asshole, who probably would be found to be in violation of hate speech laws in europe.
I don't care for racism, but I support free speech. Even racist, hate filled, free speech.
I think one point that is often overlooked in the crusade of eliminating Saddam from Iraq (very unlikely, but still worth the thought) is the impact it will have on the Iraqi economy (global perhaps??).
Just blink for a second, Saddam falls from power tomorrow. How many people will lose their jobs? Defense integrators? Partners? Businesses that rely on them for support? Foot soldiers on the ground? They have build a co-dependent ecosystems that kept the economy afloat in these past couple of years of economic hardship.
Just worth a thought to think a world of tomorrow without Saddam.
You must flame me because you know I'm right.
Well, yeah, I know.
It still means they are reading it, and that the politician had to at least be familiar enough with the issue to rubber stamp a form letter.
I get letters back from my Senators. Most of the time they disagree with me, but at least they get their staffers to write me back to tell me that they disagree.
There's no equivalent of Rush Limbaugh or Pat Buchanan in the Netherlands, spewing hate across the airwaves.
That's because it would be illegal.
How is that "more free" again?
Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access.
I bet you're not a programmer.