Not forever, of course it will get cheaper, and you could even argue that it should be cheaper, but it is not the ISPs fault in most cases, as they have to pay the same prices as anyone else for bandwidth. People do have unrealistic expectations, especially toward their ISP.
BTW- I'm sorry I ever used that whole "friend" thing, it sounds so condesending.:)
You really hit it there, for example, just bringing up an nedit over a modem X session, uses nearly the whole modem, to do nothing! Just to sit there and wait for me to type something.
Note to geeks, avoid searching for terms that bring up the ad, you are just wasting the money of the people you want to support in destroying religion.
I'm all for destroying any religion I can whenever possible, but be intelligent about it, don't search just to "see the ad for yourself".
All I want is 1mbit up and down, and no restrictions on what services I can use (ie. servers). Is it too hard for these broadband 'providers' to offer something so simple? Is it so hard?
No, it's not hard, in fact it's pretty easy, though it takes a few weeks to set up.
If you want to run servers, you need to get a real ISP.
You call up bandwidth.com. You say, Hi, I'm Joe Blow and I want a megabit up and down. They will say "great, a T1 is just what you need".
The helpful staff will then compile a list of packages you can buy, ranging from about $800-1600/month for 1.54 Mbits/sec in most areas.
You see friend, in the real world, people have to pay for bandwidth. Your ISP has to do the above when they buy bandwidth, and logically, they can't sell it to you for less than they pay for it, otherwise they won't be in business very long.
They may get a little discount if they can afford a T3, but that's still $20,000-$30,000 a month, and is about the equivalent to 30 T1s.
Are all you people that whine that they want 1Mbit up and down, unrestricted, for $30/month math challenged, or just stupid?
Your number 1 reason is irrelevant. A law has already been passed in the US making electronic signatures just as valid as paper ones. I filed my taxes without signing anything.
That's not quite how it works. Assuming that Mandrake is anything like Red Hat (the distro I am much more familiar with), then they would have to delay their release well past the release of KDE3.0 to allow for quality testing before including it in the distro.
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Yeah, and it's possible to chop down a tree with a butterknife, but no one is that stupid.:)
Actually, a lot of states do have civil liability for drug dealers now. If you overdose, even megligently or deliberately, your family can sue the drug dealer. NJ is one of these states, for example, but there are many many others.
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No one is suing him, these are criminal charges. Criminal charges are brought by the state.
I didn't say 10fps was sufficient, I said that it takes about 1/10th of a second for your eye to tell your brain, "MISSLE!". There are a lot of other factors that low FPS cause problems with.
and once the app is done drawing a scene it calls Flip().
I've written programs that use double buffering before, believe it or not. Even simple 2D animations look like shit without double buffering, they flicker and flash.
I'll have to consider what you are saying. I can't see any flaws in what you are saying, so you are probably right, but I'm going to think it through to see exactly where my logic went wrong. In the morning though. I need to slepe now:)
What is the compelling reason to shell out more money, for what boils down to something that does the same thing (except slower and more expensive), integer and floating point binary math?
It's OK to be fanatical about Linux, we will never be obselete, since we are immune to any company going bankrupt and leaving us high and dry (Be), or getting our OS cut because it wasn't popular enough (OS/2).
That's the real value of the GPL and open source. Linux will be around forever.
I'm sure they are testing both the CPU and the board before they solder it in, otherwise, it isn't too hard to unsolder a CPU, if you have the proper hot air soldering equipment.
The guy that wrote "Upgrading and repairing PCs" (sorry I don't remember your name!), even mentions that he upgraded a 386 or 486 (don't remember) machine that had a soldered in processor with forced-air soldering equipment that he apprently had laying around his shop. If he can do it at home, it would be cake in a motherboard manufacturing facility.
If you have your monitor set at 60Hz, and your card can render 59 FPS, then it JUST misses each vsync and has to wait for the whole next flip,
Actually, I don't quite buy that argument either. You are only really missing one frame each second in your example. Think about it.
I think this whole thing may be way oversimplified, but I'll go with it for now.
Assume the card is exactly runnning 59FPS and will continue to run exactly 59 FPS, not realistic, but lets consider that the case, as it was what you implied.
Lets assume the refresh is an eye-straining 60 hertz.
Lets also assume that the first "cycle" is the one where the card just barely "makes" the vsync, in other words, perfectly synched. We'll call this cycle zero.
Now cycle zero is "realtime". What is being drawn on the screen is exactly what the card is outputting at that moment.
Now, the card misses the next cycle if vsync is on. During cycle 1, frame 0 gets drawn a second time. This is the (only) dropped frame.
Then, the card finishes with the second frame just a tiny bit too late to make the vsync, so during cycle 3, frame 2 gets displayed. This frame is a whole cycle late just about. Each of the other 58 frames is less and less delayed as the second passes, until the syncs meet again.
Note that the FPS is still 59, only that the card is displaying on average 1/2 frame later than it would have, if sync was perfect.
The same thing happens if the FPS is one higher than the refresh also. If it is a lot higher or lower, if the FPS modulus Refresh falls very near the refresh rate, the same thing happens too.
For a modulus example, FPS=301, Refresh=100.
So, you don't really lose half the FPS, the effects are that your display is just as fast, but delayed by 1/refresh seconds.
Note that human eye comprehension time is about 1/10th of a second. I seriously doubt this is something even the most hard core gamer would really notice in a double-blind test.
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Not forever, of course it will get cheaper, and you could even argue that it should be cheaper, but it is not the ISPs fault in most cases, as they have to pay the same prices as anyone else for bandwidth. People do have unrealistic expectations, especially toward their ISP.
:)
BTW- I'm sorry I ever used that whole "friend" thing, it sounds so condesending.
You really hit it there, for example, just bringing up an nedit over a modem X session, uses nearly the whole modem, to do nothing! Just to sit there and wait for me to type something.
I'm wondering the same thing myself! I expected to go staight into -1 flamebait land with that one. :)
Yeah, I was trying to be facetious, apparently it didn't come across that way.
For the record, I only have a problem with the radical Christians. I guess I got a little carried away last night.
Note to geeks, avoid searching for terms that bring up the ad, you are just wasting the money of the people you want to support in destroying religion.
I'm all for destroying any religion I can whenever possible, but be intelligent about it, don't search just to "see the ad for yourself".
Next christianity? I can hope can't I?
All I want is 1mbit up and down, and no restrictions on what services I can use (ie. servers). Is it too hard for these broadband 'providers' to offer something so simple? Is it so hard?
No, it's not hard, in fact it's pretty easy, though it takes a few weeks to set up.
If you want to run servers, you need to get a real ISP.
You call up bandwidth.com. You say, Hi, I'm Joe Blow and I want a megabit up and down. They will say "great, a T1 is just what you need".
The helpful staff will then compile a list of packages you can buy, ranging from about $800-1600/month for 1.54 Mbits/sec in most areas.
You see friend, in the real world, people have to pay for bandwidth. Your ISP has to do the above when they buy bandwidth, and logically, they can't sell it to you for less than they pay for it, otherwise they won't be in business very long.
They may get a little discount if they can afford a T3, but that's still $20,000-$30,000 a month, and is about the equivalent to 30 T1s.
Are all you people that whine that they want 1Mbit up and down, unrestricted, for $30/month math challenged, or just stupid?
It is fraud in Virginia explicitely to send email with forged headers, if it is of an unsolicited commercial bulk nature.
It also enables the victim to sue for sizable damages.
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Moderators, that's not just insightful, it's fucking hilarious. There needs to be a +1 Fucking Hilarious, just for this post.
You are posting your email to a public forum right now.
No one will get that joke, unfortunately.
:)
Good one though.
Your number 1 reason is irrelevant. A law has already been passed in the US making electronic signatures just as valid as paper ones. I filed my taxes without signing anything.
That's not quite how it works. Assuming that Mandrake is anything like Red Hat (the distro I am much more familiar with), then they would have to delay their release well past the release of KDE3.0 to allow for quality testing before including it in the distro.
Yeah, and it's possible to chop down a tree with a butterknife, but no one is that stupid. :)
Actually, a lot of states do have civil liability for drug dealers now. If you overdose, even megligently or deliberately, your family can sue the drug dealer. NJ is one of these states, for example, but there are many many others.
No one is suing him, these are criminal charges. Criminal charges are brought by the state.
Unless you already paid for the program. They talk in terms of "customers".
I didn't say 10fps was sufficient, I said that it takes about 1/10th of a second for your eye to tell your brain, "MISSLE!". There are a lot of other factors that low FPS cause problems with.
:)
and once the app is done drawing a scene it calls Flip().
I've written programs that use double buffering before, believe it or not. Even simple 2D animations look like shit without double buffering, they flicker and flash.
I'll have to consider what you are saying. I can't see any flaws in what you are saying, so you are probably right, but I'm going to think it through to see exactly where my logic went wrong. In the morning though. I need to slepe now
You have a great product, many customers, and are delivering your product to hordes of happy
customers online....
The key to cheap file distribution is to tap the unutilized upload capacity of your customers. It's free.
Emphasis theirs.
Free to who? You? Maybe not them. Nothing is free. I like the idea, but I really don't like the way they are selling it.
So that makes it OK?
What is the compelling reason to shell out more money, for what boils down to something that does the same thing (except slower and more expensive), integer and floating point binary math?
It's OK to be fanatical about Linux, we will never be obselete, since we are immune to any company going bankrupt and leaving us high and dry (Be), or getting our OS cut because it wasn't popular enough (OS/2).
That's the real value of the GPL and open source. Linux will be around forever.
I'm sure they are testing both the CPU and the board before they solder it in, otherwise, it isn't too hard to unsolder a CPU, if you have the proper hot air soldering equipment.
The guy that wrote "Upgrading and repairing PCs" (sorry I don't remember your name!), even mentions that he upgraded a 386 or 486 (don't remember) machine that had a soldered in processor with forced-air soldering equipment that he apprently had laying around his shop. If he can do it at home, it would be cake in a motherboard manufacturing facility.
There has to be an exchange of consideration (something of value) usually.
If there isn't, it isn't a contract usually.
Minor correction, the delay factor is 1/(refresh/2) on average throughout the second, with a worst case of 1/(refresh-1)
If you have your monitor set at 60Hz, and your card can render 59 FPS, then it JUST misses each vsync and has to wait for the whole next flip,
Actually, I don't quite buy that argument either. You are only really missing one frame each second in your example. Think about it.
I think this whole thing may be way oversimplified, but I'll go with it for now.
Assume the card is exactly runnning 59FPS and will continue to run exactly 59 FPS, not realistic, but lets consider that the case, as it was what you implied.
Lets assume the refresh is an eye-straining 60 hertz.
Lets also assume that the first "cycle" is the one where the card just barely "makes" the vsync, in other words, perfectly synched. We'll call this cycle zero.
Now cycle zero is "realtime". What is being drawn on the screen is exactly what the card is outputting at that moment.
Now, the card misses the next cycle if vsync is on. During cycle 1, frame 0 gets drawn a second time. This is the (only) dropped frame.
Then, the card finishes with the second frame just a tiny bit too late to make the vsync, so during cycle 3, frame 2 gets displayed. This frame is a whole cycle late just about. Each of the other 58 frames is less and less delayed as the second passes, until the syncs meet again.
Note that the FPS is still 59, only that the card is displaying on average 1/2 frame later than it would have, if sync was perfect.
The same thing happens if the FPS is one higher than the refresh also. If it is a lot higher or lower, if the FPS modulus Refresh falls very near the refresh rate, the same thing happens too.
For a modulus example, FPS=301, Refresh=100.
So, you don't really lose half the FPS, the effects are that your display is just as fast, but delayed by 1/refresh seconds.
Note that human eye comprehension time is about 1/10th of a second. I seriously doubt this is something even the most hard core gamer would really notice in a double-blind test.
Oh, that server room figure is with an ammeter, not just adding up rated wattages or anything. That would come out pretty inflated if you did that.