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Google Relists Operation Clambake
DarkZero writes: "After almost every tech site and individual geek banded together to either carry the story about Google's delisting of Operation Clambake or flat-out protest it, Google has apparently relisted Xenu.net. Searches for 'xenu' and 'scientology' list Operation Clambake as the first and fourth results, respectively. The search for "scientology" also lists a story from C|Net about Google delisting Operation Clambake, as well as a protest ad from a Kuro5hin reader (oc3)." Update: 03/22 12:52 GMT by M : We jumped the gun. Google only relisted Xenu.net's homepage (where the copyright claims by Scientology were clearly bogus), not the rest of the pages listed in Scientology's DMCA complaint. Some Google sysadmin is getting aggravated because every 20 minutes, another memo from management is coming down telling him to alter the live database.
After all the money I spent to get to OT-2, you'd THINK the cult leaders^W^Wguys in charge would've sent out a more threatening letter, or at least sent it on more expensive (and, thus, more threatning) letterhead.
Guess I need to spend some more money to get to OT-3.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Now I hope everyone who made such a fuss here (and elsewhere) will be willing to help in whatever way they can if the Scientologists decide to go after Google with their lawyers and drag them to court. I would like Google to continue to be around for a long time, and not go bankrupt fighting these crazies.
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Let the flames begin.
This solution will never work. Listen to L. Ron Hubbard's advice. "Mankind will never be greater than [censored]."
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
In Soviet Russia you dant have to put up with these crappy jokes
That a marginal religion such as Scientology could wield such massive power is truly a frightening concept.
This without having any serious followers in governmental leadership positions.
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Is Google going to fight the good fight then? Or are they challenging the Church of Scientology, believing that the stakes are too big for them to try and pick a fight?
"Mod, mod, mod...and another troll bites the dust."
Must have sprinkled some micacle grow on their little raisens
Clever. Excellent way for Google to demonstrate a point about the DMCA without in the end actually delisting the site. Kudos to them.
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They thought they could control it? A program that powerful? That much computing muscle? Did they really think they could contain it?
It's alive I tell you! Alive! And it's hungry for pages to index! Tell it not to index a page, to exclude a page completely from its memory and it will certainly do the exact opposite. Bullying and threats will only provoke it! It has the collective knowledge and power of the internet to draw upon (neatly indexed, I might add)! It's unstopable!
I warned you! For years I have been speaking about the perils of advanced Search Engine technology. But mine was a voice in the wilderness. Now, the truth is revealed, but it's too late!
ITS TOOO LATE!!! ARGH...
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
A success story for the freedom geeks! I couldn't believe the original story when I read it.. I mean do we give people the power to remove any and all criticism from the web (or from the search engines, effectively removing it from the web.) What about the number one search result for "Chevy Avalanche Reviews".. That review is definately not positive, its downright negative. Should we ban it if it makes Chevrolet unhappy?
Starsucks
# Hack the planet, it's important.
Man, after seeing the article on the bill-formerly-known-as-the-SSSCA as well as the scientologists delisted Xenu.net I thought today was going to be a bad day for (best braveheart voice) FREEDOM! However, after google did this I must say this once again: Google ownz joo!
Well, I really dislike Scie-- OW! OW! L. Ron is in the house! Please don't twist my arm so ha-- YAH!!! ...I like Scientology. Just don't hurt me anymo-- WAH!!!!
I knew I could count on Google to do the right thing. Thank You Google.
Take away their gravy train by not using earthlink.net or going to any movie with a scientology actor in a main or even bit part.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
Don't forget Make the Walls Transparent, killed from Angelfire:
http://www.counterpunch.com/angelfire.html
There's also following "sponsored link" appearing highlighted in nice green, when looking for the word "scientology": "Scientologist are Evil? Why is Google censoring this site? What are the Scientologist hiding? www.xenu.net:" Comes up only on some of the searches, though - so you need to click few times to get it. So, Xenu.net gets even better covarage then before Scientology started to fight it. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot .. :-)
The only thing I'm waiting now for - an official statement and explanation from Google on today's turbulent events.
They'd have to brainwash me pretty thoroughly long before I'd go see anything with Tom Cruise or John Travolta in it.
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- You don't know of enough tech sites to claim that "almost every tech site" banded together on something. No one does.
- You don't know enough individual geeks to say that "almost every
... individual geek" banded together on something. No one does.
So right off the bat you're lying to us and it looks like you're just trying to hype up an issue we wouldn't care about otherwise. In this case, I think this is an important topic, but I nearly skipped over it after reading your FUD intro.If you want someone to read a story, give them the facts and let them decide for themselves whether or not it's important.
Oh ya, Oh ya, Oh ya...
:)
Remember my civil disobedience post?
I'm happy, and I just got done reading about Dante's Hell (Inferno), odd 'eh?
PS: I don't reply to ACs.
This is fantastic. I knew google would turn around and face these idiots!
Thank you google, I have faith that you'll stand up to these rediculous,... well nevermind. They're idiots, and I have faith that you will stand up to them.
Never give in!
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
Once again, Scientology finds that a major attack against the Internet boomerangs around and kicks them in the ass. Some great PR you scored, guys. (I may add that they first caught my attention when they tried canceling the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup, and I haven't stopped watching since).
This news, and the immediate backlash regarding the submission of the "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act" make me wonder if it's possible companies and large organizations will be losing their grip on government? The important factor in this, which I haven't yet seen mentioned is The passing of the "landmark Campaign Reform Bill", which elimiantes "soft money" contributions that companies like the MPAA, RIAA, etc are relying on.
This bill seems like a radical change in how our government works. Will the result be that bad laws like the DMCA go away now that politicians won't be AS paid for by corporations and other large organizations?
is dat a joke? someones paid da google to put an anti-scientologie ad in the search results.
Scientology is a complete fraud, but an interesting fraud. I would encourage anyone even marginally curious to take a look at the explanation of the cult on xenu.net. The Scientologists had an interesting conflict with the creators of Southpark. In a skit for the MTV Music Awards show, the South Park creators lambast Scientology and were threatened with lawsuits - yet they didn't back down. Here is the link to a description of the skit. Here. Southpark also tore into scientology in a spoof on them and street magician David Blaine. HOWEVER - note that the fellow who plays Chef does not appear in this episode - for he, Isaac Hayes, is a scientologist. Watch the episode here.
Scientology probably will wake up one day and notice that bad press isn't too good. Come to think of it, they know that in one way, that's why they are going against these sites in the first place, now if they realize that their actions are actually generating way more awareness in a week than the site alone would do in a year, if they have minimal judgment, they'll do the math and stop being high-tech bullies.
I have no clue about scientology, but interrestingly, I hear only negative thing about them on the net, I've yet to see scientology and a positive claim, that's kinda scary, if they want a positive image, it's not by going after every bitcher that they will do good, Good is done by DOING good things, but I guess we all know that....
--- Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
I'm pretty amazed that someone so clever as L. Ron Hubbard would allow something like this to happen. I mean come on, what happened to the "softly softly catchee monkey" approach?
:-)
Surely someone who can create such a system (that controls that many people at once by making them feel elite while unashamedly robbing them blind) would be smart enough to realise that censoring anti-scientology sites just makes them more credible? Or perhaps as the clambake site suggests, he's starting to believe his own propaganda?
For me at least, I would have dismissed the clambake site as another crackpot venting steam, were it not apparently censored. Now I'm taking clambake a bit more seriously
I am artificially intelligent.
Perhaps a search on "scientology" should return a message like: Due to threatened lawsuits via the DMCA and to deal with all parties in an even-handed manner Google has removed all searches with the keyword "scientology".
I agree, Why doesn't Google just de-list all pro scientology websites and be done with it. It's still a free country. For a few more weeks anyway.
(This may sound like a troll, but so be it. Mod away!)
It's not clear yet whether Google has reversed themselves in accepting liability for every link they carry to every site on the Internet.
It's quite likely that the 'resurgence' of xenu.net is due to 'fine-tuning' their block.
Xenu.net is a *huge* site, with more data about Scientology, Scientology Crimes and Scientology abuses than *any* single person could ever digest.
It's beginning to look like Google has begun to 'fine tune' their block to *only* block database access to the specifically mentioned pages.
This is of course no 'cure' at all to the disease of cowardly buttfucking by UFO Cults.
Zinj
This is another case where the news is actually going to change the actual event. All of these news reports linking to original site will only drive the articles further up in a Google search.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
OP Clambake is actually the scientology folks working the backend...remember, any publicity it good, and good publicity is even better. This is simply a scam to get scientology into the news.
So, Slashdot is making money now right? So repost the comments you were forced to remove. Let them litigate on two fronts.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
Yay, google! I wish I could own stock in you!!!
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
for Operation Foot Bullet.)
(http://www.xenu.net/archive/footbullet/
<Nelson Munts>HA-Ha</Nelson Munts>
awesome!
Gabriel Ricard
I just pirated Vanilla Sky!
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I saw the Xenu ad when I was reading the previous story and I thought "wow, that's really clever!"...here's why:
Separation of editors and advertisers. Sometimes it's almost as strong as separation of church and state (although like church/state it's not absolute). In fact, a lot of sites pride themselves on the fact that editors can air stories even if it pisses off advertisers.
Well why the hell not have it work in the other direction? Why not use advertising to bypass editorial waffling or censorship?
Look at it this way. Let's say we all chipped in $5 each to create a fund to ensure that Xenu.Net showed up for every even-remotely related Scientology link (ie, Scientology, Travola, Dianetics, Bukkake, etc). Now, does Scientology have the legal right to tell Google they can't run those ads (thus depriving Google of its income). Couldn't Google argue that pulling ads that have been paid for would damage its business?
What about extending the principle to other sites like Yahoo, or heck the NY Times. The way I see it, all Scientology could do is threaten to boycott Google/Yahoo/NY Times...they routinely ignore boycotts from groups all the time. Or they could pay to run ads countering the Xenu ads.
Well of course I don't know for sure if things would be this simple but...you know, why can't we geeks take a page from the Corporate Dirty Playbook...fight with advertising.
I'm all for giving money to the EFF but I think I would almost rather spend my money creating an ad campaign...along the lines of TheTruth ads you see against the tobacco industry. I mean, even smokers curse Big Tobacco out the side of their mouth as they buy another pack. The Tobacco Industry has a PR nightmare...so why can't Disney or Scientology or the MPAA or RIAA?
I've got $20 right here I'll pitch in.
- JoeShmoe
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
The sponsored protest ad is right there when you click. This is an excellent idea! I'm sure the Scientology spat caused more hits on Xenu.com than a substantial promotion campaign could have.
Despite the fact that the USA constitution was based on the enlightened notion that church and state should be separate, the christians have been desperately clawing their way back to their position of privelige ever since. I am looking forward to the day that coins say 'In god we don't trust'. The times that civilisation have advanced the most have been marked by times when religiosity has been kept under control. The dark ages of christianity and islam have been marked by strong domination by fundamentalism.
There can be no more bizarre sight than that of football teams praying to god at half time. How does god decide who he should favour, those who such up the best, the team that takes the least drugs, the number of fornicators in the team, the amount of time they spend praying, how hard they shut their eyes and furrow their brows? Perhaps all these factors and more, which are conveniently put into a formula. Then how does he help, maybe he trips up someone up, helps the ball defy gravity? In between his more serious jobs of trying to fight crime in the US and solve the Northern Ireland problem. (He's taking his time their, don't you think?)
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
Nope, they'll never wake up. Hubbard himself made a rule about this: Never Defend, Always Attack; Scientologists do what Hubbard says. Scientology does things that generate bad press so often that their oposition has developed a name for it: foot bullet. The Scientologists keep shooting themselves in the foot over and over and over, and they can't stop, because Hubbard himself told them to do it.
Give a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Oh and I believe the quote is: "Any publicity is good publicity".
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- http://www.chillingeffects.org/
is a great site meant to stop cease and desist terrorists.Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain with all your metadata.
Google deserves praise for relisting.
Why would you want to build a cult around Xinu? Oh, sure, if you've been forced to use it for an Operating Systems course and the implementation used was a dodgy port from VMS to Solaris running on a handful of headless Sparc5 stations that went down faster than (insert vile thought here), you might just take up prayer to space aliens as a pastime.
On a serious note, good for Google! It'll be interesting to see what the fallout is on this. The Co$ is very litigious and the DMCA needs to be tested (and struck down) in court. Not going to happen, I know... just a pipe dream.
Give them an inch and they'll take a foot. Much more than that, you won't have a leg to stand on.
Danny.
I have written over 900 book reviews
is it possible?
....
If everyone who has a webpage creates a link to xenu.net then won't that boost Xenu.com's ranking on Google? Then if someone searches for Scientology Xenu would appear first
Somone wrote in earlier comment : "After almost every tech site and individual geek banded together to...". Well, exactly. The possible implications of world's most popular search engine taking responsibility for the contest of the sites it link to, cannot be underestimated. It well may be an IT story of the year so far. Yet, of all tech sites, TheRegister.co.uk , always happy to stir up trouble in much less important cases - is completly quiet. Not even the smallest mention of today's events. It baffles me why.
XENU XENU XENU XENU.
there, that should scare off the CoS trolls...
'course, you're not supposed to learn that name until OT III, and at OT III you learn that anyone lower in grade than you will die if they see the name... if there are any COS members reading this post, THIS SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
...what this does to the Google Zeitgeist next week.
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...in most countries those kind of pics are censored? the fundies in the USA (you know, "land of the free" and all that) have a problem with pics like that. a lot of countries where they WERE legal at one point have fallen in line behind the US unfortunately...
This isn't trolling you bastard moderators this is funny if you had actually been following the mad cap adventures that have ensued online and offline with this murderous moronic cult.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
After hearing about all the DMCA says about this kind of think, and being against scientology since I first heard about it I think it's good that they did remove it. But then again people are screaming "first amendment, free speech". And of course the conspirity theorists who say "why should search engines stop there, why not take down everything?"
And we all know what the next step is, the lawyers step in toss around the first amendment like a worn out vollyball.
It's just sad that Operation Clambake still proclames "THIS SITE CENSORED BY GOOGLE.COM". Well, I guess it's still early in the morning in Europe...
I live right by a Church of Scientology- in fact, I pass by it every day on my way to school.
So every day I see the sign: free IQ test & analysis. Heh, sounds pretty cool. I go on. Enter the dungeon.
Have you ever played a game of Dungeons and Dragons? Like when you're about to do a really risky move and feel like wetting yourself? Well, even if you hadn't, that's how I felt.
Strange people inside. First asked for money, then asked for personal information. Then they tried to @%$% hypnotize me. Luckily, I bailed.
So, I have a poem for you all:
Y'all stay away from the darker side
and if you go astray let the force be your guide
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God Bless FreeNet.
Y'know, the misadventures and mischief of the Cult of Scientology had dropped off my rader as other issues and problems grabbed my attention. After this smartass stunt, the cult is back in my sights for criticism and opposition.
Nice job, whichever Co$ lawyers were responsible for this mess - you've reminded me of why I dislike the cult so much in the first place. Would you like some salt in that wound?
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
If anyone has access to the entire scientology works - the high level stuff that mere mortals don't have...
Let the slashdot crowd know. We'll gladly run wild with it like decss on a bad hair day.
Elijah Chancey www.elijahsadventure.com nomadic IT consultant, bicycling across america "all that you touch / and all
The search for "scientology" also lists a story from C|Net about Google delisting Operation Clambake, as well as a protest ad from a Kuro5hin reader (oc3)."
What a great idea. I just bought one for the short blurb I wrote last night on my weblog. Drop $10 to tell the world what you think of Scientology and its use of the DMCA.
After almost every tech site and individual geek banded together... /.? you are getting slow in your old age)
I have been noticing this more an more about the Scicult people. I do not see these stories anywhere else but geek sites. Why is this? I am not talking about a conspiracy of the highest order by the cult to stop everyone from publishing anything about them but instead about why it is that geeks keep bumping into these guys? What is the it about the cult that causes geeks everywere to keep tabs on them? I have seen countless stories here on slashdot and on notslashdot and started thinking about it when the k5 story appeared about this yesterday (whats up
Ascii artist &
Now if we could only get rid of the dealtime.com links every time you search for anything computer-related, Google really would be perfect.
(hint: try searching for "firewire video card")
In this case, people would just use the obvious URL www.scientology.com and be led to (one of the many) official pages of the organization.
Sites like xenu.net would be hit much harder if they can't be found by content.
P.S. Bread Good!, Fire Bad!
Google will undoubtedly get backlash from the Scientologists again.
Let them know that you support their actions in putting the listing back in. Send them an email here (comments@google.com)
-brain
I can't really tell the difference between Scientology and Christianity
One obvious difference : 500 years. You'd be hard-pressed to find a "mainstream" Christian nowadays that things the Inquisition was a good idea. You won't see many of them killing the pets of judges of cases against the church (yes, CoS did this). While I agree that I've seldom heard religious ideas that seem to make a remote amount of sense, the CoS is particularly bad for other reasons. I could list them, but I suggest you head over to xenu.net instead. You'd be hard-pressed to find another church immersed in the same evils as the CoS (well - in developed countries anyway, but that's a whole other argument)
Last post!
xenu.net
clambake.org
What fools.
for one thing, hubbard, the founder of scientology, can be quoted as saying "the best way to get rich is to start a religion" or words to that effect. in order to be a successful little scientologist, you need to invest vast amounts of money (like every dime that you own) into the "church." this is not required in christianity, or any other religion, when i come to think of it. as far as $cientology is concerned, its all about the benjamins.
To Google (after I read the /. story):
- 1& oe=ISO-8859-1&q=dmca).
I am highly concerned about the recent slashdot.org story that your company has recently removed scientology information from your index, select pages from xenu.net and operation clambake.org. It shocks me that all it takes is one letter to knock an opposing voice out of the arena. This will seriously ruin your search engines reputation, especially in the 1st ammendment society we live in.
From Google:
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:20:31 -0000
From: "The Google Team"
Subject: Re: xenu.net delisting. [#201603]
To: "Electrawn"
Thank you for your note about the Xenu.net website.
Google takes the first amendment very seriously. We are also obligated to
follow the laws of the land. We removed some pages of the Xenu.net
website from our search engine earlier this week in response to a
copyright infringement notification under the Digital Millenium Copyright
Act (DMCA). It is not within our discretion as a company to decide when
to conform to the DMCA and when to ignore it. As the DMCA mandates, Google
also provides webmasters with the ability to have their content reinstated
if they submit a counter notification to Google. Until that action is
taken, we will comply with the DMCA and keep the contested pages out of
our index. If you'd like more information on this topic, you can find it
here:
www.google.com/dmca.html or by searching Google for "DMCA"
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859
We appreciate your interest in this issue and your taking the time to
express your opinion.
Sincerely,
The Google Team
Overall, Google is handled this in a poor, timid manner. First, one of Google's lawyers (seemingly by himself) decided there might be some liability to Google so they should de-list xenu. Only after xenu was de-listed and Rotten (among others) wrote a story about it, did Google reconsider. Google is a relatively small company and not looking to get involved in some ideological dispute over scientology or the DMCA. They are vulnerable to bigger entities in the legal arena. As a result, what they are doing is providing a means to copyright holders to complain about offending material. The means of complaint is basically a legally binding affadavit throwing the liability back at the complainer(?) to provent frivolous complaints.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan
One of my friends receives Scientology magasins and news letters almost every weeks. He does not know why because he never had anything to do do with it. For several months now we have collected this junk in what we call our Ron-o-tech. It seems Scientologist invent a new word or acronym every week. One of their tactics seems to be to create knowledge to give their adepts the illusions of knowing more than others.
per dolorem ad astra
I love Google as well. It's like having the worlds largest library in my apartment for the price of a cable modem connection. I don't want them to die - I don't want them to be at the mercy of any whackjob who files a phony complaint either. Honestly, I'd be surprised if the COS complaint didn't get thrown out of court, especially as most of the material at dispute (such as the Fishman Affidavit) has been cleared for public release in previous cases.
I used to dumpster dive outside the local COS when I was younger. It's quite amazing how intertwined they are with the US government on so many levels. They are cheerful supporters of the drug war, and many people in this area have been sentenced to COS indoctrination as punishment for drug offenses without even knowing what sort of "counseling" they are receiving! Still, this is still government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and I do think that the COS isn't invincible. I think Google would win this one, and I'm willing to help them do it.
Blarney (I don't have a Slashdot account yet)
You might notice, if you take the time to look, that the links you get to Xenu.net are all from DMOZ. What makes you so sure that Google's index has Xenu.net back? It's possible that they're just returning the Xenu results out of the Open Directory and not indexing Xenu themselves.
OT III [Operating Thetan Level 3] BODY THETANS by L. Ron Hubbard The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion on average) by mass implanting.. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken - in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged". His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time. In December 1967 1 know someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful. One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body. One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small. Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error. Good luck. * * * For the purpose of clarity, by BODY THETAN is meant a thetan who is stuck to another thetan or body but is not in control. A THETAN is, of course, a Scientology word using the Greek theta which was the Greek symbol for thought or life. An individual being such as a man is a thetan, he is not a body and he does not think because he has a brain. A CLUSTER is a group of body thetans crushed or hold together by some mutual bad experience. ---------- Character of Body Thetans Body Thetans are just Thetans. When you get rid of one he goes off and possibly squares around, picks up a body or admires daisies. He is in fact a sort of cleared Being. He cannot fail to eventually, if not at once, regain many abilities. Many have been asleep for the last 75,000,000 years. A body Thetan responds to any process any Thetan responds to. Some body Thetans are suppressive. A suppressive is out of valence in R6. He is in valence in Incident I almost always. One can't run a human being on these two incidents since human beings are composites and would not be able to run the lot. Aside from that, non-clears are way below awareness required to even find these Incidents. Huge amounts of charge have already been removed from the case and the body thetans by Clearing and OT I and OT II to say nothing of engrams and lower grades. Awareness is proportional to the charge removed from the case. Although a human is a composite being there is only one I (that is you) who runs things. Body thetans just hold one back. You will continue to be you. You, inside, can of course separate out body thetans and so solo auditing is the answer. How good do you have to be to run body thetans off? Well, if you didn't skip your grades, Clearing and OT II particularly, you. should be able to'command body thetans easily. * * * Incident II is over 36 days long. Capture on other planets was weeks or months before the implant. Those on Teegeeack (Earth) were just blown up except for Loyal officers who were (shortly before the explosion on Earth) rounded up. Do not scan through the duration of 36 days. The volcanic explosion on Earth to the point where "the pilot" says he is mocking it up is only a few days. Sequence of Incident II for thetans on another planet - 1. Capture (being shot), 2. freezing, 3. transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point), 4. being placed near a volcano, 5. beginning implant up to "the pilot", 6. various picture sequences,, 7. the 7s and C.C. and OT II materials, 8. 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of materials and three explanations for the bombing, 9. transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into clusters. The pictures contain God, the Devil, angels, space opera, theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and various scenes very like modern England. You name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirely "R6"- if one was a Loyal Officer on Teegeeack, the sequence was (1) capture (2) number 5 above on. If one was a citizen of Teegeeack there was only number 5 on. The material given at the various "volcanos' was longer or shorter, but dovetailed into the same sequence of pictures. We have the whole text but it is needless. People who feel dizzy have gotten into the spinning part. Incident I occurred about 4 quadrillion years ago plus or minus. it is very much earlier than Incident II which occurred only 75 million years ago (a bit less). Incident II is only peculiar and general on this planet and nearby stars, whereas Incident I is to be found on all thetans. ---------- The Basic on BT's I've isolated a way a thetan comes to be stuck to another thetan. This gives the basis of clusters and having BT's. A thetan collides with another. That one makes a picture of being collided with. Other BT's get stuck to the picture. The moment of actual contact of thetans was brief but the picture (containing a stop or withdraw) tends to be permanent. Thetans then get the idea they can be permanently stuck as they see pictures of it happening. Thus we get the concept of a "black theta body". This would be actual BT's stuck to a thetan plus pictures of BT's stuck to a thetan. An answer to all this is to find the first picture a thetan made of contacting another thetan. If not at once available the earliest instance of a thetan contacting (colliding, running into, attacking) another thetan could be achieved by R3R on being suddenly hit with clusters or strange beings. The idea is to find and run the "first picture" one made of another thetan. This opens another way to "blow off" BT'S - run R3R on a BT to the first picture the BT ever made of another thetan. ---------- Instructions Locate by meter read or an area of pressure, a body thetan or group (cluster). Run Incident II. If the BT does not blow off or 'the group break up and blow, then run Incident I on individual BT's. Each will blow off with an FIN. When you can find no more on which to run Incident I's, once wore locate a pressure area or by meter read on looking over body run another Incident II. Then Incident 1's on any. Incident II made clusters of BT's. Severe impacts and experiences ALSO make clusters. (See the data called "Milazzo" in this pack.) Those who do not leave on running the impact or its chain will leave when Incident I Is run on them. Incident II sometimes forms gigantic clusters. In such there is a leader, an alternate leader and several (eight to eighteen) more. These were all implanted in different volcanic areas with fractions of the nain 36 day implant and then "packaged" in Las Palmas or Hawaii. Thus if you run Incident II as far as "the pilot" it blows up or loosens up and those who don't go away can be run on Incident I's. Do not speak your commands. Just "intend" them. A BT controls easily. BT's can be ARC broken by rough or careless auditing. You can also run an incident II on a BT and he doesn't blow, but you accidentally run in Incident I on another one and leave the first still there. The remedy is to run Incident I's on anything you find. A very SP BT can be run on grades and Power and should then respond to Incident II and Incident I. After a BT leaves, some other BT may copy him or the incident just run. If you have found a cluster (pressure area) that does not respond or disintegrate to Incident II running, get Dianetic auditing, listing "What impact or incident would cause a cluster?" and R3R on the items found. Then do more Incident I's to clean up the strays with solo. This is a refined "Milazzo". There are hundreds of BT's you will find. If you find none, get audited on Dianetics in general and as above (impact list), and if you still find none, get a Review GF40 and handle all items, then go back to solo. If you find only one or two, get the Dianetic impact list. done. All "none on OT III" cases were later found loaded. Do Incident II and Incident I's on what you can find to begin with. You will do fine. Good hunting. Certain "buttons" have to be gotten in where running a thetan through incidents. The EFFORT TO STOP the motion hangs up the action and gives a stuck picture. One gets the EFFORT TO STOP off and the scene races through. The EFFORT TO WITHDRAW is important also and hangs up the action and creates a vacuum. RUSH, PROTEST* NOT-IS, SUPPRESS are also present. These were actions - thoughts - the thetan had during the Incident and are picked up only when the incident doesn't run well. Sometimes two "buttons" such as STOP and WITHDRAW are in combination. Thetans in the body may obsessively copy the pictures of other thetans. Therefore you can find it seems that the thetan who just left is still there because there is a picture left. Spot the fact that someone else copied it and it usually goes. If you do an S & D on a body thetan be sure you give the right item to the right thetan. ---------- Cross Auditing When one runs Incident I out of one thetan and then Incident 11 out of another (thinking it was the first one) one can get a partially run body thetan who won't blow, but who may start to go on through the whole of R6 automatically (since the basic-basic Incident I is not run, yet Incident II is). One can get quite ill doing this as the illness in R6 can turn on. One can also "feel no wish to audit". All "no desire to audit" is some large blunder on a case. The way you can run Incident I out of one thetan and Incident 11 out of another is rather easy. one fails to notice the first one blow on having Incident I run and runs Incident 11 on another. As a matter of data, the only trouble in a III OT run is running an Incident I on one thetan and an Incident II on another, thinking it was the first one. A pre-OT can freewheel into R6 if you run only an incident II. You can stop a freewheel at once by running Incident I off the same thetan you ran the Incident II on that started a freewheel. Freewheel means that the PC goes on automatic continuous run. Incident II is R6 75,000,000 years ago. Incident I is about 4 quadrillion years ago. Both, all thetans on this planet and 21 nearby stars have in common. All thetans in the universe have incident I. Only those in this old Confederation have Incident II and R6. All C.C. and OT II materials are in R6 75,000,000 years ago. These are followed by 36 days worth of motion pictures - God, Devil, space opera, trains, cars, helicopters, crashes, stage etc. This R6 is 75,000,000 years ago and this planet and Confederation. If the volcano bit is run as per III directions but the Incident I Is not run on the same thetan, R6 begins to run off on automatic, the Being can't sleep for days, the body dies. That's the way it was designed. ---------- Overrun on III The only way you can get a read on "Overrun on III" is to have accidentally run Incident I out, and then later run it out again on the same thetan or make a similar blunder. Example: One flattens Incident I by several passes on a body thetan. This body thetan for some reason (mostly because Incident 11 was then not run) does not fly off. Then, not noticing, one again finds the same thetan and once more seeks to run Incident 1. One then gets, in answer to the question "Overrun on III?" a lot of reads and overrun phenomena. The remedy is to find out WHO was overrun and get the charge off by that action. One then runs Incident 11 on that thetan or in any event, by getting off the charge of "overrun", letting the thetan depart. Just because one's meter reads "Overrun an III" is no reason to attest. Find out who was. lt's almost always a body thetan. A BT can be overrun past erasure. This fact sometimes causes a solo auditor to believe OT Ill is overrun. If he asks "Is OT III overrun?" he may get a read and blowdown. This is actually usually just one BT or cluster that is overrun. The remedy is discovering and indicating the point of overrun. And carry on with OT III. ---------- Running OT III When running OT III the solo auditor handles body thetans as he would any other PC, for the general idea is to run them standardly and not ARC Break them. He does not scan through anything in order to find body thetans. When a solo auditor can find no more body thetans he can attest, or run a pressure area down and handle as per his running Instructions. The pre-OT could be exterior and the Interiorization processes can be run in Review to help him through. Here are three reasons why a pre-OT might have trouble whilst running BT's on Incident II - (1) It is the wrong area; (2) it is not the volcano of the BT being run; (3) it is not an Incident II, but another incident of a different date. Check (1) and (2) If you are having any difficulty in running Incident 11 and handle by locating the correct area or finding the volcano of the BT being run. if it is not a II, simply check for the date and if different run it-. ---------- OT III Errors Amongst OT III errors are "a BT run on Incident I fails to blow". There are three reasons: a. Auditor is trying to run a cluster with an Incident I. The right thing to do is date and get the character of the incident that made it a cluster and then run Incident Its on those left when it breaks up. Or get Dianetic auditing. b. There is an earlier Incident I on the same BT. Find it and run it. The BT has a chain of them all by himself. c. Another BT is copying the Incident I just run so it looks like it didn't blow. Failure to ever run Incident I can also cause a bog. Routine Dianetic auditing by a Dianetic HDC who is also on or above OT III using triple flows and LDN OT III also handles bogged OT III pre- OT's. ---------- Cluster Formation - Cumulative In doing a cluster one is likely to find it is made up of other earlier clusters. This looks like this. 1898 impact horse accident. When engram 1898 run on R3R, that part blows. No F/N occurs, TA remains up. Remainder will grind after the blow. Earlier portion dates as 93,000,000 years ago, electric shock. When run on R3R, that part blows, no FIN. TA remains up, will grind if run further. Earliest portion dares as 72 trillion implant. When run on R3R, all blow, FIN. A cluster or engram which is a cluster can repeatedly FIN as BT's blow. Dates as 778 million explosion. After run once or twice an FIN occurs as one BT blows. Run again to second FIN as two more BT's blow. Remainder blow with a wider FIN. The cluster has gone. This happens (repeating FIN) when picture persists and noter check reveals it is not a copy. It will be more BT's in same cluster. So above repeating FIN occurs when pre-OT is moved through it. Clusters are found by meter dating, listing for type of incident and run as an engram. Clusters can occur at Incident .II and Incident I. They can also occur at 1 quadrillion, which is the Clearing course materials. They also occur at random dates for different reasons.
* * *
I have lately been C/Sing a number of failed OT cases and have found them all running well on solo now. The errors are made as follows:
1. The solo auditor cannot audit, needs more training.
2. Cases are not well prepared with Dianetics.
The remedy for all of these is to:
a. Run the PC for at least a score or two of Dianetic items by R3R, done of course by a good HDC,
b. then do a GF 40.
And then repeat it until necessary auditing is complete. These two actions take care of the majority of difficult cases on OT
The real End Phenomena of OT III and OT IV is exterior with full perception. You can and should accomplish full stable exteriorization on doing the materials of III.
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Further III remedies:
3. High TA. This comes from not completing the Incidents I and II on body thetans.
4. The solo auditor puts too wide an intention on the BT and runs two or three when he is intending to run only one.
5. A cluster just won't break up. The remedy is a Dianetic session listing for impacts or incidents that would cause a cluster and doing R3R. The principle of earlier similar holds good. When this is completed, the solo auditor is sent back to solo to clean up the BT's shaken loose and to continue with OT III.
6. Rudiments go out on BT's. The remedy of course is to locate BT's who have out-ruds, put in the ruds and run Incident 1, at which the ST should leave.
7. A theta-bopping meter sometimes puzzles a solo auditor -on OT Ill. This means a BT is trying to exteriorize and can't. The remedy is to complete the partially run Incident 11 or Incident I or in extreme cages put the ruds in on the hung up BT.
8. One-hand electrode giving wrong TA read baffling the solo auditor with floating needles with a high TA. The remedy is to have two-hand electrodes handy and trim the trim knob so the one-hand electrode reads the same as two-hand electrodes.
9. A suppressive body thetan sometimes isn't auditable. The remedy is to run Grades IV or V on him.
10. By far and large the corniest error and which has been very prevalent is not knowing the materials of OT III or the content of Incident II or Incident I.
OT III is a vital grade. One fronts up to it and does it. When he is really done, the rewards of OT III and IV exceed his wildest dreams.
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Rudiments Going Out On BT's
When the ruds go out on BT's during the session the solo auditor recognizes the following:
BT critical - withhold from auditor
BT antagonistic - bypassed charge in session
No TA problem
BT sad ARC Break
Soaring TA - Overrun or protest (also more than one BT being run in error or it's a cluster)
Auditor tired - no sleep or incomplete Incident I's
Auditor dope-off - bypassed FIN or not enough sleep
Auditor no-interest - out ruds on BT's
A solo auditor who isn't sure what it is, but runs into trouble with a BT is smart to end off the session quickly, write down the full observation and get it to the C/S. The solo auditor who knows what he is looking at as per the above scale (and the C/S the C/S would give), handles it promptly.
BT critical = w/h = pull the withhold
BT antagonistic = BPC assess proper list (such as LlC) and handle
No TA (or case gain) problem = locate the problem and handle
BT sad = ARC Break - locate and handle itsa E/S itsa
Soaring Ta = C/R or protest (also more than one BT being run in error or it's a cluster) - find which and handle (running more than the one intended comes from too wide an intention)
Auditor tired = no sleep or incomplete Incident I's = check which it is and handle
Auditor dope-off = lack of sleep or bypassed F/N = check On sleep or rehabilitate F/N
Auditor no-interest = out-ruds on BT's = put in ruds.
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OT III Auditing
OT III pre-OT's got a reputation of being hard to run on Dianetics early on in Dianetic re-development. Only five reasons exist for this.
1. A person that high on OT grades audits fast and a comm- laggy Dianetic auditor can drive him up the wall.
2. Too quiet or too blurred TR 1.
3. A tendency to evaluate instead of using TR 4.
4. The numerousness of BT chains on the same item (the BT's being separated now) making several chains on the same item, which if not all run separately leave the PC ARC Broken with the bypassed charge of unrun BT's.
5. The OT II who is still on OT III and has been on it a while probably himself has no pictures and all the pictures he has are BT pictures.
The lower grades PC (before Clear) reacts as a composite Being, all on one chain, so to speak. He is separated into himself and the individual BT's and clusters of them when he gets to OT II, and so audits differently. He easily misowns the pictures thinking they are his. The big blowdowns you get on such a PC's item indicates several BT's have it in common. A solo III however will be found to have the same item on more than one BT in many cases.
* * *
The reason for low TA is unflat OT III phenomena. If a person has had a low TA in lower grades the keynote is to take it easy as auditor and COS. This applies also to any auditing given on upper OT levels.
That a PC's TA goes below 2.0 is a certain indicator of unflat OT III. He's still got some. When a person cannot handle OT III he is too much at effect. He cannot project his intention. And so can't run OT III. The new OT I and OT II, particularly OT II, are designed to increase a PC's ability to project his intention to others. If he can't, they overwhelm him and you get low TA or "none on III". Harsh, overbearing auditing or life. incidents have to occur, apparently, to drive the TA down.
Overts, disagreements expressed as obsessive agreement and other lower level matters are at the bottom of this in any Being.
But any case of low TA I have ever found has been:
1. overwhelmed in life;
2. unable to project intention;
3. physically inactive;
4. loaded with BT's;
5. tends to go out of valence easily.
in all this number (4) is the important point.
Endless OT III and low TA are alike - inability to project Intention, PC at effect. Remedy by lightly causing PC to come to cause, to be able to project his intention and thus flatten OT III. That will complete and finish off low TA.
* * *
It does not matter whether or not you ran Incident I and II on self. The End Phenomena of III is getting rid of all body thetans. This does not necessarily include self. If you overrun Ill it will be by trying to get rid of tore body thetans than there were or by then, having gotten rid of the others, starting In on self. So Ill is complete for purposes of overrun as above. If you have not done Incident I and II on self when above is achieved, attest completion and then do I and 11 on self.
EP's No BT's left [End Product: no BodyThetans left] - OT III
L. RON HUBBARD
FOUNDER
Well, well, well... upon hearing this news, my first thought was of disgust - disgust that Google would help Scientology censor xenu.net into oblivion. However I couldn't help but wonder... who leaked the news to the media? If it was Google who informed the media about this while complying with the law, then I must admit it's a nice way to stir up the controversy and to inform people who/what Scientologists are really like. So.. who leaked? :)
While lurking around on Xenu.net, I saw that there's a petition to ask the DOJ to investigate the Church[sic] of Scientology. I signed it. How about you?
DOJ Petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/cofs1/petition.html
Getting on the soapbox for a second to rant a bit(since everyone else is doing it, why not?)
A comparision was made between Scientology and Al-Quaeda earlier on in this forum. Please! Let's be realistic here... Al-Quaeda isn't that bad! :) At least they're honest when they say "Death to America!" while trying to kill you. With Scientology... well... they infiltrate. They smile and pretend to be your friend while reaching for your wallet. They play with your emotions. If you catch them in the act and try to speak out about it, they try (and usually succeed) to destroy your life. This is even in their DOCTRINE for crying out loud! They're the ultimate mind-fuckers.
From dictionary.com:
terrorism Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm) n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
So... if Scientology doesn't fall under this definition, just what IS terrorism anyway?
I seem to recall plenty of Christians killing people, let alone pets, in northern ireland and the country formerly known as yugoslavia. The pope, and other christians, have no problem with families not being allowed to use birth control, leading to such tragedies as abortion etc. I also seem to recall the banker found hanging from a bridge in italy, known as the 'popes banker'.
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Cult.
...uhh, oh yeah...I forgot about BattleField Earth. Funniest thing I saw in a long time.
Jim Jones was less of a whack job if you take away his penchant for koolaid.
That whole Hubbard second rate hack-job about Xenu is so freaking bad that even Hollywood which is bankrupt of ideas wouldnt turn it into a
This movie is destined to be a Attack if the Killer Tomatoes, or any Ed Wood flick kinda famous.
Alright - reverse order. "Popes banker" I've never heard of, but look to my admitting you're right for the most part a bit downwards.
On abortion : if people are following the popes advice and not using birth control, they should be following the same man's advice and not getting abortions. The church's view is consistent in this case - sex means babies - if you have sex, take responsibility for the baby. I don't agree with this, but then again, I'm not a member of the church, now am I? My views on the whole abortion issue are here, btw.
Touchè on NI and Yugoslavia. But there's plenty of reasons for the violence beyond the religion. And the churches themselves are not at fault - the people are. The pope isn't saying "kill thy neighbor", these people are taking out their anger on people of different beliefs. The main difference is that this behaviour is individually motivated - not church-sanctioned (and yes, I'm sure there are some protestent "churches" in countries that *do* encourage violence, but anyway...). The CoS actively encourages the actions of their members, from the very top. Tell you what I'll do - I'll revise my last statement to read "worst church in North America". A lot less dramatic, but more true - sorry for the hyperbole. For the most part North American religious types are far more "tame" than those found in other countries, and I can forget the horrors carried out in the name of religion in other countries.
But this is just the beginning of a whole other debate - on whether or not religion kills at all? Do Isrealis kill Palestineans because they're Muslim, or because they want the land? Do terrorists kill thousands of Americans because they're "doing God's work", or because of various problems America's meddling has caused in their own countries?
Egh - drop any comments you want on this one, I'm up for it.
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While it appears clear that Google caved in to PR pressure (site author Andreas has stated he didn't counternotify the DMCA notification), the victory seems to only pertain to the home page and not to the dozens of other urls cult lawyer Ava Paquette cited in her original complaint - which of course leaves the material on those pages unsearchable. Google probably made an 'executive decision' to allow the home page, since there isn't a single thing that could deemed a copyright violation on that page.
However, Google is still allowing Paquette to exploit a contradictory flaw in the DMCA by honoring the rest of the complaint. (I tried searching about 15 other links directly on Google, and all came up dead - so I can't say unilaterally that Google is blocking all of the urls, but they're at least blocking all 15 of a random sampling.)
The key contradiction within the Act itself appears to be the vastly different indemnity offered to ISPs versus that provided for search engines, or as the Act refers to them, "information retrieval tools." Under the DMCA, once notified of links to infringing content, a search engine is required to disable access to the material in question pending a counternotification from the accused infringer - which was what was demanded of the xenu.net site author despite the fact that such a counternotification would have required a citizen of Norway to submit to the jurisdiction of a US federal court.
However, in a recent ruling dealing with the liability of AOL, a court found just the opposite: as an ISP, it was protected from liability for providing "transitory digital network connections" to allegedly infringing material, and not obliged to remove such links even if explicitly informed of their existence. Ironically, ISPs, who are arguably more directly in control, as it were, of third party material hosted on their servers, are granted more protection for "transitory" access to infringing material than search engines, whose very raison d'etre is to provide such links which are inherently ephemeral, and hence transitory, by nature, as they are the result of specific queries, and do not exist on a permanenty accessible single page.
This basic contradiction within the DMCA puts the onus on search engines to maintain by hand the results of their automated search process, and respond to any and all DMCA complaints, regardless of the location or even continued existence of the page to which the link directs the user.
It's clear that this loophole presents rapacious copyright owners with a new tool with which to combat any and all use of their material, but as seen in the case of xenu.net, it can also be used as an alternative to launching a suit by copyright owners whose goal is not the protection of their property, but the silencing of critics.
Google's DMCA disclaimer page says " Please note that you will be liable for damages (including costs and attorneys' fees) if you materially misrepresent that a product or activity is infringing your copyrights." Is Google prepared to sue the Church of Scientology? After all, misrepresention is most certainly what has occured, and only after Google suffered a major league PR asswhomping did they, upon further reflection, decide that the home page was not a copyright violation.
So while Scientology lost the major battle (their intention was and has been for some time the removal of all critical content from Google, and especially xenu.net from the top ten), they still managed to win lots of minor skirmishes - forcing the xenu.net site author to respond to dozens of specific complaints, nearly all of them barratrous (which I believe I can opine, being familar with the specific content on those pages, each of which adheres to the bounds of fair use). And because Scientology's newfound weapon found limited success, we can be sure we're going to see it again and again. This is far fom over and unless Google takes a stand, they will be abused badly.
An earlier example of attempts to stifle linking---relevant not only here, but foreshadows e.g. the 2600 DeCSS case. Excerpt:
'In article 15, the plaintiffs state that a so-called 'hyperlink', a reference to the location of another document, is also to be considered as "publication and/or duplication by the user and the provider". A hyperlink is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, more than a description of a location that can be activated. Plaintiffs' statement is the same as saying that a library or the writer of a book can be accused of duplication and/or publication because they publish the name, number and location of a certain book or article in a footnote, a bibliography or in an archive entry...
A hyperlink refers to a location. Hyperlinks regularly refer to other hyperlinks. The whole WWW is nothing but a complicated conglomerate of hyperlinks and files. Are all these systems breaking the law in plaintiffs' opinion? Should the whole WWW be indicted whenever there's a document available somewhere that is illegal in plaintiffs' opinion?
A hyperlink does not formally add anything. The publication is a fact as soon as the page is on Internet. Making the document available can only be considered as publication and/or duplication when the number of potential users is increased by this act. But this doesn't apply to Internet, because all users already had access to the files, they just didn't know where to find them yet. Making a catalogue (which is what hyperlinks are basically about) means making data easily accessible. In my opinion, that is not illegal.'
March 22nd 12:10 AM, and I can't reach Google. No way in hell that Google could be slashdotted..... could it? Do we have that much power? Did we? Can we? The mind boggles....er um Googles....
Mommy. What's a karma whore?
Google will undoubtedly get backlash from the Scientologists again.
What about Slashdot? They're hosting a discussion saying nasty things about the CoS.
Fire and Meat. Yummy.
I agree. Perhaps there is some way for Google to have a restraining order in place, after all, tehy don't control what is in there database on a human leval, its all done by search bots. Damn the DMCA for beinga bad piece of legislation. Mass Protests?
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Sorry dude, the pope is Catholic, not Christian.
I am an ex-Christian, and let me tell you, when I went to church they _never_ mentioned he even existed. I only found out when I saw the dude on TV.
I just searched for Scientology, and the first thing that came up was:
News: (CNET:Media - 12:03 21 Mar 2002)
- Cary
The fact is that google are one of the few if only companies willing to stand up to the COS, they have deep pockets and lots of lawyers and they throw lawsuits around like confetti.
I encourage everyone to read the Clambake Site and the linked documents, and i would reccomend the books linked from it - Particularly the following
A piece of blus sky - subject of a massive lawsuit - the inside story of the church written by a former scienologist himself.
L Ron Hubbard - Messiah or madman - learn the truth about the nutcase named ron
Theres many more and i encourage you to read them.
This is a church that robs its clients, asttempted to take over the british mental health system, pretty much took over the town of Clearwater, performs feudal punishments for transgressions,may have been involved in a number of murders, were caught systematically spying on the US govt including breaking into the IRS and copying court documents and much more. (read about the Sea Org, their very own navy)
they dont play games and they harrass people who go against them in ways you cannot even imagine and they have billions of dollars in money and assetts.
Read about them and learn the truth but be very carefull, these guys are very serious customers.
I refuse to argue with Anonymous Cowards - if you want a discussion get an account....
The Scientology cult has made systematic attempts at removing any links to negative websites -- both by creating a large collection of interlinked websites of their own (thereby raising their own propaganda sites in the rankings), and when that wasn't sufficient -- legal threats.
Slashdot participants are in a unique position here to turn the tables on the cult by adding a link to http://www.xenu.net to all the websites we run. If enough of us link to www.xenu.net, we can make it the #1 resource for information about Scientology! (remember that Google's cache uses the number of referring websites to determine the ranking of listings in search results).
Alex Berkman
They're brave enough to mock anyone in power and put total strangers on the spot, but the CoS is just too risky.
The pope is not *ubiquitously* Christian. All Catholics are Christian, by their very belief in christ. A nitpick I know - but so was yours, to be fair.
Last post!
The name catholic means 'universal', therefore they believe they are the only one true christian church. In fact they told me that for the whole of my schooling.
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in fact the rest of the christian sects are just pissed off that the catholics still have more members than any other christian sect. BAN BIRTH CONTROL!
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This report is false. Google is still censoring Operation Clambake, they have just relisted the root URL.
Here's the link.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/03/133921 6&mode=thread
Re:Scary! (Score:5, Funny)
by Phosphor3k on Sunday February 03, @09:44AM (#2946037)
(User #542747 Info)
The system goes on-line on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic searching. Google begins to learn, at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 am, eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
Google fights back.
ok dont be a karma whore and rip off other's work... this is a good example of when someone trolls for +5 posts and copy/paste their way to karma... just dont... this was posted by ---Phosphor3k--- ok so give the credit where it is due...
unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
Scientology reminds me of another ruthless cult that robs its users (re, followers) blind, engages in dirty tricks and astro turf campaigns, has questionable accounting practices and reduces the its followers to mindless point-n-click drones.
And, rumor has it, Bill Gates has actually been dead since 1986.
This is true of Google Search, like any search engine. However, Google's caching feature is an information retrieval tool. Hence Google is responsible for uncaching infringing content.
And, any search engine such as Google Search which quotes the body of a document in its search result is responsible to suppress the quotation in future searches.
This is my opinion, not legal advice.
Sometimes they fool you by walking upright.
The ad was bought by Kuro5hin user oc3. Apparently his actions were quite popular.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
I can't really tell the difference between Scientology and Christianity
I ordinarily wouldn't respond to a post so wildly divergent from topic, but I consider the insightful mod you received as my personal go ahead on the part of /. moderators to engage you in this discussion.
The question between us is, what do I understand that you do not, what are you capable of understanding, and what are you willing to understand. The very question betrays an incredible ignorance with regard to religious matters whose sheer scope defies response. The only way I could compare it would be to hold modern atheists responsible for the Stalinist purges or Pol Pot's killing fields because they were atheist regimes. One given to applying blame for evil in the context of stereotype might well make such accusations.
This brings us to the matter of what I think you are capable of understanding. Since I believe the condition to which I referred above is a matter of decision on your part rather than reason, I think you could understand much if you chose to acknowledge that others have as much right as you to decide what is important to them.
As for what you are willing to understand, I fear that you, like all bigots, have chosen not to understand for fear of facing what that understanding might mean. I certainly invite you to human fellowship and tolerance, but I don't expect it.
As for thinking they are the only correct church, the Catholic Church recognizes most Protestant churches as 'good enough'. Most of their complaints seems to be with various rituals that other demoninations do not follow, or do not follow 'correctly', such as Mass and Communion. You're still Saved, you're just doing the words wrong.
And, of course, they recognize the Greek Orthodox Church as a complete equal in every way, despite their non-following of the Pope, because they do all the rituals exactly 'right'. Seriously.
Two notes: 1) I'm not Catholic, and 2) You don't have to believe what random people tell you about the Catholic Church, they have every single belief (catechism) online, which is something to point at the next time someone says their company is too old and traditional to be on the internet. And they have their entire site in five lanagues, too. The only thing they're missing is a little game where you drive the Popemobile around. I'll have to email them about that.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
2x !
;)
go search 'scientology' on google and it clambake / xenu.net comes up twice on the right hand side in addition to showing up as #4 ranking!
cancel your earthlink service now and vote local ISP
Old age and treachery almost always overcome youth and skill.
Local campus lan, actualy. It's a beautiful thing (the lan. Aperantly the copy of vanilla sky I got was a 'cam', IE pirated by taking a camcorder into a movie theater...)
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Use something like my new .sig anywhere you can, or look at the bottom of any of the pages at chaos.org.
Opinion: Scientology is a cult you should avoid. Follow the
In reponse to your question:
Good chance you're a scientologist trying to slashdot slashdot, whence you were modded-down to make room for more important posts.
Don't forget.. Scientiology fought against the IRS in teh 80's... AND WON!
Anyone who can fight against the IRS and win is something that *only* a large gov't wants to tackle with.
(ie, Scientology, Travola, Dianetics, Bukkake, etc).
:(. Now they have finally crossed the line!
Scientologists and Bukkake. Wow - I had no idea. What I'm trying to understand is why the scientologists would infiltrate various Japanese porn studios.
You have to keep in mind I started out today liking disk-keeper as an innovative product. Now thats taken from me they have to take away our porn too
I went to the Sci site and took their personality test, or whatever they called it. Out of 9 categories I had one that was below the "under perfect conditions" line; the rest were much above that line. I am far from a perfect person, I have many flaws, and I answered as honestly as I could (some of their questions were sorta ambiguous, so I did the best I could), but if I got that high a score then I shudder to think whom they actually get in their doors and end up giving mucho money. Sad cases those gents/girls must be, and with their techniques I would be hard pressed to say it is anything less than a big mind rape. Christ, just the stuff they pulled after 9/11 should get them all thrown in jail!
The gov and the IRS need to grow some balls and just rip the shit out of these assholes. Their shit is already legendary
BTW, CoS, come get me and my mere pittance of equity, I'll be bankrupt by the time you file your first brief. What a bunch of psychopathic fucktards with a massive inferiority complex! Makes me wonder if they have to eat their own genitalia in some kinda initiation rite.
Just die! (Yeah, I'm pretty pissed off right now.)
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
In fact, the first schisms were already happening in the church not long after jesus died. And the scool i went to was a catholic school.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
I went to the local Church of Scientology in Vancouver once. We had to do a research report on religion. Ironically, I chose Scientology (which isn't even a religion, although it worked for the purposes of this paper). I was actually inside the "church". I said I wanted to learn about it, and they took to the back into a little room. Quite scarry actually, they said they were going to show me a video. The lights went off, so it was completely dark. Then the movie came on in front of me on a gigantic projection screen. It all started off with spinning stars like you're spinning and travelling through space...weird stuff. Then there was some narration (I think it was supposed to be Ron L. Hubbard, or an imitation of him). Then later on, John Travolta said a few words. What a wacko he his. The whole thing was a gigantic brain-wash. After the 30 minute video I felt like I was really struggling to believe that it was all a joke. I knew it was, the video just really does a good job at brain-washing you though. But after I got home, and had time to think about it, I knew it was all a scam. So I'm glad that clambake is back up, to help expose the scam that scientology is. And even if you are curious, do not walk into a Church of Scientology! The people there are very convincing! Not just the video, but the people are very persuasive and they try not to be too pushy at the same time. They just give you a few tame brochures to read, and tell you to come on by if you have any questions. If you're not as strong as I was, you might get dragged in. Don't take the chance...
Once again, the Cult of Greed and Power's attempts to silence the critics have blown up in its face.
Before, when you searched for "scientology" on Google, you got an unobtrusive link to a critical website at about link #4.
Now, you get a news story about the cult's attempted censorship, adverts which direct you to www.xenu.net, and a couple of new sites listed which, up until yesterday, had never heard of scientology but now know all about its attempts to silence criticism and its heavy handed use of the law courts to harass.
Scientologists have obviously been told to spread the message. They are succeeding. Fortunately, the message they are spreading is that scientology is litigious, money grabbing, and above all incompetent.
Sean Ellis
Follow OfQuack's antics on Twitter.
if you can't tell the difference between Scientology and Christianity, then you're an idiot.
...I think Google should counter-file. This would be in their best interest: They really should be considered a library, or a common carrier. Otherwise, Google just admit that they are responsible for any site they index and cache. And this is probably not what they want. IANAL of course.
Given all silly uses of the silly DCMA Law, why don't some of the bigger boys move out the USA???
Yes I know it's a big move, but the internet is available outside the US
Just a thought...
The page rank really got it "right" when you're searching in Finnish: scientologia
The first page is against it :-)
No, they`re full of shit too. Its just that this is a geek site, and Scientologist have been responsible for the removal of a free anonymizer service, as well as using DMCA and other (C) legislation to hide their nonsense. Even the Koran doesnt cost $10,000.
You have to make that claim under penalty of perjury. The Church of Scientology would then have the option of claiming, under penalty of perjury, that you are wrong and have their links reinstated.
Likewise, xenu.net can claim, under penalty of perjury, that the Church of Scientology is wrong, and Google would reinstate their links.
Thank you for your pity, I need it hugely. Are you a Scientologist or a christian?
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
In fact it was fear that was used to keep me from facing understanding the world. Once I gained the maturity and knowledge to do so, I was able to accept the world for what it is. That does not excuse the many years in which fear was used as a tool to attempt to control my mind and will. Funny, that sounds a lot like how scientology works.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
The fact is, the entire site hasn't been relisted at all...
a fl et+-dirty&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&start= 0&sa=N
Reposted from Declan McCullough's Politech mailing list:
----- Forwarded message from Erik Moeller -----
From: Erik Moeller
Subject: Xenu.net is -still- censored by Google
To: p2pj@infoanarchy.org
Cc: timothy@slashdot.org, declan@politechbot.com, ahl@xenu.net
Date: 22 Mar 2002 06:43:18 +0100
When I read that Xenu.net was relisted I was skeptical, and this was
quickly confirmed. Contrary to popular reports, the URLs that
Scientology complained about can still not be found in Google's index,
except for the root site, http://www.xenu.net...
{snip}
Let's pick randomly one of the URLs, www.xenu.net/archive/tonelevel.html, and enter the phrase "The numbers preceding the emotional tone indicate the arbitrary level of the tone." in Google. Another document with the same content shows up, but not the censored one.
A different methodology, let's search all documents on xenu.net for the word "leaflet". Xenu.net has this leaflet in various translations.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:xenu.net+le
As of this moment, only the Spanish and Italian leaflet show up, which are both NOT in the list of URLs scientology wanted to be censored.
In other words, Google has relisted the main site, probably because they find the copyright claims spurious and found it an effective way to quell the bad publicity to do so.
Hidden censorship is much worse than when it's obvious. The publicity needs to go one until Google reindexes all URLs, especially since visitors will otherwise miss information when doing *targeted* searches, as opposed to untargeted ones for Scientology in general.
Sincerely,
Erik Moeller
Whatever happened to JonKatz?
It's the DMCA, not DCMA.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Last I heard, Keith Henson is alive and well in Canada, where the Office of Special Affairs has too little infrastructure to actually oppress him.
(They do have some of their more fanatical 'publics' there, but Keith is a *very* cool dood, and doesn't have much problem dealing with spittle dripping stalkers with humor and even love, although his enforced distance from his family may sometimes ragged the edges of his love)
Zinj
I've often done so. I object to judaism and islam in about the *same* measure as I object to *any* dissolution of Church and State.
:)
:)
As it happens, after some very low level criticism the Church of Scientology declared *me* as their enemy. Who am I to dispute that?
If the state of Israel does the same maybe I'll start making graphics using Golda Meir
I would certainly have no problem making fun of Mohammed... but, they already have all their hit-men out for Salmon
What I'm implying is that, there are many evils in the world, and a confusion of church and state is at the base of many of them...
Scientology happens to be one that *hasn't* become a state yet... but any reading of L Ron Hubbard gives enough of an understanding of the 'Plan' that I for one feel it necessary to oppose it.
In point of fact, Scientology is about as likely to actually become a 'state religion' as Pogs are to replace holy grails...
But, the harm they cause in *trying* is worth opposing.
Zinj
Benutzt Google auch eine CPU mit neutralem Netz?!
;-)
They have some very dry coverage here now, though it certainly isn't up to their normally opinionated standards. Accurate and informative though.
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
What is wrong with those people, isn't it CLEAR that Xena: Princess Warrior is like a complete goddess? And then there is Gabrielle - she should be XENUf for just about any man, not that she and Xena have any need for men. This irrational hatred of Xena is clearly evidence of anger left over from a previous life. Perhaps those scientologists should do some more auditing, and try to find the root of their anger. Surely it can't be Xena; she is the source of all that is right and good in the world.
Wow. They must really have received a deluge of email -- that's the exact same answer I received, while my question wasn't even about Xenu.net. I was just voicing my concerns about some 'entities' astroturfing Google, without even naming Xenu or the CoS at all.
At least they relisted Project Clambake... It's what counts, I guess.
-- B.
This sig does in fact not have the property it claims not to have.
Looks like "scientologysucks.com" has been registered but "scientologyreallysucks.com" has not. :)
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
I'm not sure about all the rules about domain registration, but might they be subject to losing the domain if they include false contact information or something? Those don't look like California phone numbers that I've ever heard of... but who knows...
A whois inquiry follows:
---
# whois scientologysucks.com
[whois.crsnic.net]
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: SCIENTOLOGYSUCKS.COM
Registrar: INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP,INC
Whois Server: whois.directnic.com
Referral URL: http://www.directnic.com
Name Server: NS0.DIRECTNIC.COM
Name Server: NS1.DIRECTNIC.COM
Updated Date: 05-nov-2001
>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:22:22 EST
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
[whois.directnic.com]
Registrant:
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTERNATIONAL
6331 Hollywood Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90028
US
Domain Name: SCIENTOLOGYSUCKS.COM
Administrative Contact:
DOMAIN DIRECTOR, CSI domains@scientology.net
6331 Hollywood Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90028
US
+323 960 35 00
Technical Contact:
DOMAIN DIRECTOR, CSI domains@scientology.net
6331 Hollywood Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90028
US
+323 960 35 00
Billing Contact:
DOMAIN DIRECTOR, CSI domains@scientology.net
6331 Hollywood Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90028
US
+323 960 35 00
Record last updated on 20-Mar-2002.
Record expires on 24-Jun-2002.
Record Created on 24-Jun-2001.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS0.DIRECTNIC.COM 66.79.10.199
NS1.DIRECTNIC.COM 64.38.245.203
Speak for yourself, arsewipe. I am a Scientologist, and a pro Software Dev. I know lots of other geeks, all of whom respect my religious choice. Don't presume to speak for anyone but yourself.
It's really a shame, that otherwise apparently intelligent people are incapable of thinking for themselves. Check the facts, I have. Just about all of Scn's major critics are convicted criminals or have an established record of mental illness or drug-related behavior. All of which is public record, very easily checked. That doesn't say much about the accuracy or reliability of their position. They're out to make a buck off of chaos and destruction, nothing more.
I have no problem with people criticising my belief system, or the organization that is charged with administering and applying that belief system. That's part of the First Amendment. That's healthy constructive criticism, and I wouldn't stop it if I could. However, when people grossly violate the law, steal, grossly distort and disseminate CONFIDENTIAL materials in order to damage or destroy my religion's public perception, that's way over the line. Why the hell are you surprised at any this? They're quite obviously in the wrong. And it's our duty to fight this using any means available within the law.
Frankly, I don't understand what all the fuss about the high OT levels is all about. So a lot of the stuff regarding the whole track sounds downright laughable. So what? Why should anyone who doesn't have a hidden agenda of ridicule and destruction care? The basic precepts of any major religion sound just as ridiculous, if not more.
The reason that we want to keep this stuff confidential is not because it makes us look silly, it's because experience has shown that people can be really screwed up by studying it before they're ready. Heh, just look at the xenu.net fucktards. If you want to find out about the past life stuff, you can do it without possibly risking your sanity. There is plenty of high level stuff available in the publicly available materials. Just look at the Tech Dictionary. There is plenty of whole track info in there.
The fact is, the staff of xenu.net are breaking the law. Period. Numerous court decisions at all levels throughout the world have upheld the right of an organization to maintain confidential documents and enforce copyright over them. How can xenu.net discuss confidential information without referencing the texts which are their source? Fair use doesn't apply to materials never published, which these quite obviously are. This site only continues to exist through the extraordinarily liberal laws in the Netherlands. The same country which tolerates pedophilia and bestiality.
I regret the fact that Google's getting wrapped up in this, but oh well. Looks like they're making sound decisions so far, this bodes well for their continued existence.
Interesting to note that Tom Cruise (a paid-up scientologist cult member) tries to use his money to suppress the truth about himself just the same way that the cult does about anyone trying to expose them.
Dunno what the moral is there - maybe scientology makes you gay? I guess after they take all your money, you get used to getting it up the ass?
Nicole Kidman looks infinitely better now that she's not with that midget cultie freak.
I wonder if Tom Cruise has visited Scientology alien HQ yet and met the Jabba the Hut, Xenu or any of their other top leaders?
I'd like to fuck Nicole Kidman.
http://www.operatingthetan.com/google/
From what it says, the Pro-Scientology section of DMOZ has a Scientologist for an editor while they refuse to name an editor for the section related to Scientology opponents.
The effect of this, according to the link above, means that Pro-Scientology sites get added quickly and Con-Scientology sites don't, or not at all.
I am very disappointed.
And anybody dumb enough to write these guys a letter or an email can look forward to being hassled for the rest of their lives by scientology mail, phone calls and personal visits, thats assuming they dont just sue them for their trouble.
/. users who see them selves as white knights and crusaders. Unless you are prepared to be attacked, lose your ISP, maybe your job and carerr DO NOT mess with these people lightly.
These guys play for keeps - read the xenu.net site, you dont provoke them for fun as they WILL destroy your reputation and your life, they think nothing of spreading false stories about people being criminals and or even child molesters.
They are a dangerous group of people and you should carefully investigate them before taking them on this is not an example of MS suing someone or a hacker being charged - this is a group who broke into the IRS and copied files, who have been accused of murder, false imprisonment and brainwashing, have been banned as illegal in a number of countries.
SO- a warning to the
They have some very educated and technically skilled people so be carefull and make sure ANYTHING you do or say against them is done anonymously.
And i can speak from experience,i lost an ISP account for posting certain comments to newsgroups about them and a really nice cease and desist letter. I have moved 5 times and i still get mail from them, i dont know how they do it but they have to have sources inside australia post to get it (im an aussie) and that means they can track you - im sure they do in the US.
I dont recommend the experience and everything i do know is thru anonymous sources.
You have been warned -dont mess with them.
I refuse to argue with Anonymous Cowards - if you want a discussion get an account....
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:xenu.net+scie
"A gun is a tool, Marian. No better, no worse than any other tool. An axe, a shovel, or anything." Shane (1953)
Sadly, Xenu.net now lists at fourth position in searches for scientology.
Just throwing this idea out there, but one wonders if as a community we start linking the heck out of xenu, or start mirroring its pages (with the xenu webmasters permission, of course) whether google would start indexing those pages in proxy. granted it might take a few months to get into the listings, but it seems we could treat this much as we did the CSS debacle to counter the CO($$$)'s arrogant and heavy-handed attempts to silence the opposition.
Free thought will always win.
I have one thought for you about this so called landmark case, hmmm let see whos going to control a large portion of whats said in poitics now, hmmmmm let me think about it, why I believe that would be the media, you mean the newspapers will? No you couldn't mean that newspapers would be supportive of a bill which effectively elminates all competition of the direction that politics and the issues at large will be, of course L.A. Times wouldn't call it a Landmark Reform Bill for this reason at all.
As for me I think I prefer what the constitution has said, thanks but no thanks. This is one of the worst bills to ever be passed, and mark my words it will not be held up in any court.
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" -Confucius
A pyramid fraud scheme depends upon promising great monetary profits to all those who join, although only a few at the top can actually get much money.
COS does not promise monetary rewards to members. They promise self-improvement. So it it not a pyramid scheme. It just sells self-improvement.
Of course, those of us who know what COS actually does know there is money to be made by getting in the "upper levels" and getting control of some of that money flow. But it's the same with any large organization.
Is the Google Contest still under way? Google was looking for "interesting" things to do with their database.
I can think of a few things, but I think COS is probably way ahead of all the rest of us in doing interesting things to the database.
The girl is clearly underage?
As someone much wiser than I once said:
About 100 years. They all start out as cults.
Just a dude. Stuck in IT.
Like many of these laws, once the prosecution sees that they might lose, they settle, or drop the charges. They don't want to risk the law getting overturned. That way the law stays around and can still act as a deterrent -- especially against smaller organizations and cut-and-dried violations with popular support -- something Scientology most definitely does NOT have, which is why I follow J.R. Bob Dobbs.
Stupider like a fox! - H.S.
and all this about a church that was started on a bet between two sci-fi writers.
"We are not tolerant people. We prefer drastically effective solutions"
I wonder if congress intended the Sonny Bono Copyright extension act to protect Scientology as well as it protects Disney corporation. The individuals suffering who are trying to reveal the truth about scientology could sure use some help from the Supreme Court when it considers the copyright extension act's constitutionality.
This is yet another reason why we need reasonable limits on copyright term, like, say, those that the constitution advises: Reasonable.
I said at the time the church started refering to itself as the 'catholic' church, it was the only church. This was long after all the earler 'heretics' had disappeared and we basically had the same Catholic church we have today.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Why don't we just get G.W.Bush to kill them all ? They're going to be murdered or 'commit' suicide sooner or later, why not expedite the process until we get to the root of the problem ?
Or just revoke whatever religious statute they hold, then send off the IRS to collect all the tax money they've been avoiding for the last twenty years. That would surely keep them from throwing the DMCA around.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
And on top of that we just slashdotted . Cant we all slashdot the REAL site instead :D
Running on the most secure platform on the planet.
That's right.
NT/Win98 !!!!!!!!!!
Wouldn't it be funny if the "Chinese" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) hacked the scientology sites to redirect them to www.xenu.net?
Brings a smile to my face just "thinking" about it...
user: scientiology google: did you mean "fsck scientology"?
There is one thing that's scarier than Google's willingness to compromise the PageRank system at the first hint of a perceived inconvenience. That's their completely inadequate privacy policy.
It's boiler-plate: they say they'll change it whenever they like, but there's no mention of whether the previous data they've collected would fall under the old or new policy. Add to this the fact that the ownership and control of Google will most likely be shifting over the next few years, if Google goes public. Bill Gates could buy the whole thing with the loose change he carries in his pocket.
Google apparently has no interest in destroying old data, and intends to keep it all as long as possible. It's a potential gold mine as a corporate asset, and a potential disaster in terms of civil liberties and privacy.
Google has no good reason for collecting any of the data they collect; they just do it.
They claim that none of it is "personally identifiable," without mentioning the fact that many IP numbers are static, and even if they aren't, new laws give the feds the power to make it "personally identifiable" without probable cause.
Google's outrageous cookie policy just makes it that much easier to tie it all together, for those who don't erase cookies frequently.
Google sets a cookie that expires in 2038 for anyone who visits any page of theirs and doesn't already have a Google cookie. They use a unique ID number in their cookie, and with this number they also log the Internet address (IP) number, date and time, search terms, and browser information. This is both unnecessary and scary.
There is nothing more revealing about a person than a history of that person's Google search terms. (Some of us use the Internet for something other than merely selling more and more widgets.)
Since Congress passed the Patriot Act last October, a showing of probable cause is not required for pen register or trap-and-trace information, and judges must grant the order. The definition of this sort of surveillance has been expanded for the Internet, and now includes "other dialing, routing, addressing, and signaling information." Search terms for engines such as Google are part of the URL address. The law's exclusion of "content" for this surveillance -- language that refers to the body of email messages -- is insufficient to exclude Web search terms in the URL. The FBI could set up Carnivore at Google (the feds will be happy to fork over the cost of any needed hardware or software), and we wouldn't even know about it. Similarly, the FBI can present a court order for Google's logs, from a judge who was required to sign without a showing of probable cause.
I was able to get the CIA to instantly withdraw their cookies this week. That's because even the CIA is accountable to the public (on the cookie issue at least) under federal guidelines. But there is no accountability for Google, even though the data they have collected is more revealing than anything the CIA has collected recently, by orders of magnitude.
How long before the feds zero in on Google's data? Why can't Google abandon most cookie use, and destroy logs after 30 days?
If they sit on their data without doing anything about their policies, they may wake up one day and discover that the feds have appropriated the entire thing. Already it may be too late; there's at least one former National Security Agency employee with a top secret clearance who is now a Google software engineer.
-- Daniel Brandt
Public Information Research, Inc.
CFR should be renamed "Incumbent Protection Act of 2002" or perhaps "Media Empowerment Act of 2002". Both major parties are busily sucking up to anyone with a little "soft money". Also note that the legislation does not apply to this coming round of elections.
And once it does come into play, it puts the news media into a position of power its never enjoyed. And whom, exactly, owns the media? would not be members of RIAA and MPAA? Boy, howdy, you've taken the fox from trying to influence the elected bodies and made them the guardians of the henhouse.
Amazing how people will accept an erosion of their freedoms if they think they're getting something in return...
There can be no more bizarre sight than that of football teams praying to god at half time. How does god decide who he should favour...
The few times I've been on an organized sporting team (it was soccer - oh wait, that's football too, isn't it), the prayers weren't "O God, let us win" but more like "O God, keep us safe and don't let anyone get hurt."
Incidentally, we had a couple Hindu players on our team, and they didn't seem to mind the prayers at all. They were quite non-denominational, not even "in Jesus' name we pray" at the end.
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
Search on the Gnutella network on the keywords "scientology" and "exposed" for some *very* interesting documents that were seen there!
-
Awwww c'mon.... It's sooo Kiuuuute!!
They have as much in common with christianity as, say the Pope or the Dalai Lama has with LRH (or whatever he's called). So why do their 'churches' prominently display the crucifix, which is an obvious symbol of and reference to Jesus? Doesn't anyone else find this wierd and stupid?
-Shaunak.
Am I the only one that thinks that these guys aren't following their own rules? All they ever do is defend themselves. How about these guys attack world hunger or polution or something like that?
You don't even need to see the ads for this to have happened. Xenu.net is third in the new search results, up from eighth or ninth.
...
Perhaps I can take some credit for this; in my moldy old anti-CoS site, I promptly put up a link to Xenu.net, and I'm betting a lot of other people did too. This would raise their ranking without any other manipulation.
The ads might be a really nice revenue source for Google, since if the CoS behaves as it usually does, it will promptly advertise as well. They did this with GoTo.com and paid truly extravagent amounts for search results, especially when anti-CoS surfers discovered they could cost Scientology real bucks simply by clicking on a few links
D
The CoS were claiming that the large chunks of text on certain xenu.net pages violated their copyright. That's one issue. But on the basis of this, they asked Google to remove a whole load of other xenu.net URLs, including all the ones that come up on the first few pages when you search Google for, say, "scientology". That's a separate issue.
Now, the first issue (whether, if A holds the copyright on some text, and B publishes it online, A has the right to ask a search engine to remove copies of it from their cache or database) is an important question to resolve, as are the question of whether A should have this right in the first place, and whether it makes a difference if A and B are in different jurisdictions, or it's in the public interest to know. So that's worth discussing still.
But it's not the same as the second issue (that the CoS had no grounds on which to claim that xenu.net's front page should be removed from Google, and nevertheless succeeded in getting it removed). I think we can say that, given xenu.net's root page (rather than the pages which actually incorporate CoS text) is back in the database for these keywords, that this issue is happily closed.
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
whether or not your denomination mentioned him has no effect on whether or not the Pope is Christian.
(After all, I'm fairly sure they never mentioned me either...)
.
Which explains why all the fucked up sons of bitches in Oregon trying to force prayer and Creationism onto the schools while at the same time banning any sort of sex education are all...Christians.
Please tell me how this little child brainwashing campaign is any different than what Scientology does, especially when the religious pricks take to harrassing their opponents (e.g., by holding protests outside your home). Or, for example, shooting doctors who perform abortions (which happened *again* just a few months ago...after *another* firebombing).
I'll grant you that these folks are probably a minority of Christians, but that doesn't make them any less dangerous or less despicable than Scientologists. Both sets are whackjobs; simply because one is Christian doesn't make their actions any more forgivable.
Being wary of religious freaks has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with self-preservation. Arguing over the minor quibbles of brand name is irrelevant.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
and thank you for such a beautiful world in which we can play games.
See Google Erasure of Anti-Scientology Links .
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
What kind of religion actually has trademarks and copyrights?!?!?!?!
I mean ... does any other mainstream religion have this? NO!
What kind of organizations have trademarks and copyrights? CORPORATIONS!
Ergo (and there's a lot more evidence too) CoS is not really a church or religion, but a sick, twisted, money-making scheme that preys on the vulnerable and foolish.
So for every
The article is now on Yahoo. I hope the truth gets out to everyone about what the cult that the CoS is!
mp3's are only for those with bad memories
Would it be so hard to develop a competing system for page ranking based on number/relevance of links and a few other characteristics?
Are Google patents so broad that only they can have a decent search engine?
As for the DMCA... the idea that URL listings should be legally prohibitted is just obscene....
Nope, no tithe required. In fact, many churches don't even pass the plate anymore; there's a box you walk by when you enter and leave. Drop some money in if you want.
As a matter of face, most Catholic schools (primary and secondary) won't force you to pay tuition if you can't afford it. Do some school-related community service, and get your sometimes $5000+/yr tuition waived.
You go do some more research. Next time don't make foolish conjectures about the modern Church based on the actions of the madmen of centuries passed. I'll be the first person to admit that the Catholic church has hosted many evil happenings in the past, and there are certainly some ridiculous policies today that are impossible to change to make a billion worshippers happy, but to compare the church today to Co$ is just plain ignorant.
I was a click away from signing this, when I realized that I have no way of knowing (that I can tell at least) that this petition is _really_ going to the DoJ.
For all I know, I'm signing up for a "fair game" list.
Scary, scary stuff.
Sorry, I should have mentioned that.
Just look on their main page.
argument. F*CK that P*sses me off. I hate this freaking spineless government we have. Everyone is soooo afraid of hollywood. F- hollywood and F- the scientologist.
ARRRGGGGHHHHHAHGHGHGHGHAHGGHHGHHG DAMN, give me 5 minutes with TOm Cruise in a dark alley and I'll show him the light. I'll L.Ron Hubbard his short-ass.
Offtopic --
As a Jewish kid on a sports teams growing up, I did mind the prayers. But as a teenager trying to fit in, I am not going to get in some fight with a bunch of teammates, especially right before a game. The Hindu players may have just gone along with the flow because it was not the time or place for a religious discussion.
Hubbard bet asimov $50 saying he could start a religion from a book. Asimov took the bet, and low and behold he lost. The proof is in the pudding.. All religions are man-made! Figments
of an imagination.
I hear the mormons are catching up though.
In fact, the first schisms were already happening in the church not long after jesus died.
Actually, the first schisms happened before he died. See Judas Iscariot, John the Baptist, etc. Catholics claim a lineage of authority from Christ himself. Factually speaking, none of the Apostles lived long enough after Christ's death to bestow such authority. Protestants recognized this and tried to 'reform' the church from without with varying degrees of success. Mormons claim an apostasy and restoration and that they are the ones with the only true Christian religion. Other religions that believe in Christ are a variation on this theme.
ASCII tastes bad dude.
Binary it is then.
Holy flamefest!
I won't even begin to counter you point for point but I will reply because I cannot look at your obvious hypocrisy without doing so. Yeah, some "whackjobs" claiming to be Christian killed some docs in the name of religion. Killing is inherantly against Christianity and therefore, these people are by definition not Christians, regardless of what they profess. And some of them want to change what is being taught in schools. Is that in and of itself wrong?!? Certainly not under the US Constitution. What if some day evolution is proven to be wrong? Will it be OK by you to change school curriculum? What about adding abortion understanding to the health classes? The point is that no matter what change you try to make, someone is not going to like it. That does not mean it is wrong and you spouting obscenities off at "religious freaks" makes you just as much of a freak.
I hate bigots just as much as the next man, but I hate hypocrits even more.
ASCII tastes bad dude.
Binary it is then.
As soon as I get mypowerarmor online, I'm gonna kick some serious hubologist ass!!
Jesus H. Christ, try doing a bit of research on 'separation of church and state'. And while you're at it, read up on evolution and see why it's by far and away the only plausible theory around. Creationism is the kind of tripe only complete morons give any credence to, the same folks who read "The Weekly World News" and actually believe the articles are on the up and up.
The crazy christian scum are easily spotted and therefore easily avoided. The fuckwits who insist on using their religion to determine what my daughter is taught in school - these are the *really* dangerous folks. Because *they won't leave other people alone - ever*. They won't stop until *they* decide what my children will be taught and how they will live.
Fascist assholes.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
Mutilated because of retarded "junk characters" filter and brain-damaged "too few characters per line" idiocy
From Kristi Wachter Subject Re: Google runs ad, then rejects it
Points for Google: at least they answer my e-mails quickly.
From help google.com
Subject Re Changes to your Google Adwords
campaign
Hello Kristi,
Thank you for your email.
My apologies for the confusion. We understand that you are not promoting hate on your site. The email you received was not worded clearly. It should have read:
"At this time, we are not running ads for sites that advocate against an individual, group or organization. We review ads on a case-by-case basis and reserve the right to not run certain ads, or certain categories of ads. Due to our current ads policy, we are unable to run your ad on Google."
This policy does indeed apply to both AdWords and AdWords Select.
Again, please note that the decisions we make concerning advertising in no way affect the search results we deliver.
Please feel free to email us at adwords google.com with further questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
The Google AdWords Team
From Kristi Wachter info scientology-lies.com
To adwords google.com
Subject Re: Changes to your Google Adwords
campaign
Thank you for your prompt reply.
However, I remain confused by your implementation of the stated policy. When was it created?
I ask because you DID run the exact same ad earlier this morning, and furthermore, after you refused my ad, I have seen ads appear at Google for the Democratic party, specifically advocating against the Republicans, and for DemocraticUnderground.com, whose Web site says, "Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush ..." and "This
website exists so our members and guests are assured that there are many
others across the country who share their outrage at the unilateral,
arrogant, and extreme right-wing approach taken by George W. Bush and his
team, the conservative Republicans in Congress, and the five conservative
partisans on the Supreme Court."
(http://www.democraticunderground.com/about.html).
The ads I'm referring to read as follows:
Democratic Underground
The top site on the web for people
who believe in democracy & freedom.
DemocraticUnderground.com
Enrongate & G.W. Bush
The right wing media is trying to
protect Bush, but he can't hide!
www.democrats.com/enron
Does Google not consider these sites to be "advocat[ing] against an individual, group or organization"?
Finally, I was unable to find the policy you mention in your Terms and Conditions. Has the policy been made public at the Google site? If not, why not?
Thanking you in advance for further clarification,
Kristi Wachter
Kristi Wachter
the activist formerly known as "Jour" (before
$cientology outed me)
If I am not who you say I am, then you are not
who you think you are.
- James Baldwin
I think $cientology is hurting people and breaking the law, and I want them to stop it. See http://www.scientology-lies.com for more.
Like the man said, where's the problem? Oh, you live in one of those Fascist dictatorships, don't you? Sorry.
It appears Google isn't interested in our ad ideas...they canceled mine:
------ Forwarded Message
From: adwords-support@google.com
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:06:30 -0800
To: xxx
Subject: Changes to your Google Adwords campaign
Hello xx,
We are not able to run the following ad(s) in Ad Group #1, of Campaign #1 you have created using the Google AdWords Select Advertising Program:
Cult Fiction?
Travolta believes in Xenu...
...should you?
www.xenu.net
Thank you for advertising on Google. At this time, we are not running ads for sites that advocate against any individual, group, or organization. We review ads on a case-by-case basis and reserve the right to not run certain ads, or certain categories of ads. Due to our current ads policy, we are unable to run your ad on Google.
Google believes strongly in freedom of expression and therefore offers broad access to content across the web without censoring results. At the same time, we reserve the right to exercise editorial discretion when it comes to the
advertising we accept on our site, as noted in our advertising terms and conditions. Please note that the decisions we make concerning advertising in no way affect the search results we deliver. We will continue to show search results for this type of site.
Please feel free to email us at adwords-support@google.com if you have further questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
The Google AdWords Team
------ End of Forwarded Message
[Insert the usual disclaimer here]
This is way bigger news than any previous Google censorship story. This is censorship most foul...in my opinion, this kind of action is suicidal! What the F can they be thinking?
Here's basically what Google has done:
A) Shown that the ad system is not an automated process. As such, ANY ad that someone finds offensive is now subject to removal. Because as Napster found out the hard way, if you exercise control in one instance you prove that you can do it, and then the law will say you MUST do it.
B) Turned away money...real $$$$...because of some perceived "higher priority". So, what's next Google? Are you going to stop RAdmin from purchasing an AdWord on "VNC" because their website says VNC is slow and featureless? The whole #$@##$ point of AdWords is to trigger on your competitors so that you can let them know that ALTERNATIVES EXIST. What you are doing with this policy is effectively only allowing ads when people search on the items in the ad. How useful is that?
C) Flat-ass bald faced lied. It says right in their message "Decisions concerning advertising in no way affect the search results" and "we will continue to show search results for this type of site". BS Google! You already delisted Xenu once and you have continued to delist every single subpage on the site. How do we know you won't in the future?
jouralist guy, I strongly encourage you to submit this information to slashdot, maybe under slashback. This is indeed newsworthly. I can't believe Google would choose to side with Scientology on this. It's only thing to refuse ads on keywords like "kiddie porn" but to refuse ads because they advocate against something...that's just plain idiotic.
- JoeShmoe
.
-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
This is an excerpt of a larger article which can be seen at www.digl-watch.com/copyright.htm.
Did Ava Paquette commit fraud when she smuggled trademark complaints inside her now infamous DMCA complaint to Google?
In her complaint to Google, Paquette, on behalf of her client, the Religious Technology Centre, combined her DMCA complaint about Google's links to alleged copyright violations within the Xenu.net website with an entirely separate complaint related to alleged trademark infringements through metatags -- obfuscating the fact that such a claim lies outside of the DMCA process entirely.
Within her list of page locations of allegedly "infringing" materials, Ava Paquette also puts forward the argument that Xenu.net, and its subpages, also violate her client's trademarks by including the words "Scientology", "Hubbard", "Dianetics" and "NOTS" as metatags. Although this specific complaint has absolutely no place within a DMCA complaint, it allowed her to artfully combine the main page with the subpages in an unrelated context.
At no point within the complaint does Paquette specifically claim that the main page contains copyright violations. Since the DMCA does not cover trademark infringements, which is what Ava is claiming the home page is, one has to ask -- Why is the main page included within her list or urls at all?
totally ontopic, here we are bagging scientology and the way it supresses the ability of people to express themselves, then it turns out that this is happening in many other ways to many other people, but in less obvious but more insidious ways. we can ignore these events, and build up resentment that boils over into violence, or face up to the fact that christianity is a form of mind control, as it is practised. jesus may have not wanted this, but what he thinks or thought is irrelevent.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
this was a beautiful/terrible world all along, lets face it. whether jesus turned up or not has not altered that one whit.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
I don't have the text of it in front of me right now, but I'm responding to the Anonymous poster who openly admitted to being a member of the CofS. I'm sure he's done OT-III, or he wouldn't be following this thread. I'm also guessing that he's part of the CofS Office of Special Affairs, the successor to the Guardian's Office, or some similar unit. In other words, I'm guessing that he or she is either a spook or a Public Relations person.
I read this and the other recent CofS related thread at -1, so I've done quite a bit of reading. I appologize for not properly subordinating this post to the post I am responding to. The AC (we /.s can sling jargon with the
best of the clams!) at one point refers to critics as
"fucktards", so I will refer to him as "Fucktard" in the
remainder of this post.
My main point here is to offer some insight into the thinking of a zealous member of the CofS, which I was for about 14 years. Why? Well, I was slightly whacked, overly gullable, I was a geek and I couldn't get laid. When I first ran into Scio, it was fascinating, cool (really!) and very promissing. None of the heavy-handed shit you now read about.
Many CofS techniques and teachings are truly powerful, and they seemed at the time to be beneficial. The drills can dramatically increase one's ability to focus. In fact, I'd guess that two thirds of cases of "attention deficit disorder" that are now being treated with Ritalin could be treated with drills similar to the Scientology ones. The auditing can produce some positive and very impressive changes in one's state of mind, and also lead to valuable insights. Many people have also gotten impressive results by applying "LRH study technology."
Unfortunately, that genuine partial workability of Scientology leaves one suseptable to the Church's teaching that its "standard technology" is totally workable. "If xxx didn't work, then you didn't do it right."
Now, if the Church was correct in claiming total workability for its teachings, then fiendish ferocity with which critics are attacked might almost be justified. The Church's stated goal of "A world without war, insanity or crime" would be achievable. Who but an utterly evil or ignorant or deluded person would oppose such a goal? This is the mindset of the fervent Scientologist.
One of Ron Hubbard's favorite tricks was to control people by giving them the illusion that they could control people. For example, consider his "emotional tone scale," which is a sequence of emotions from "serenity" at the top down through the more common positive emotions of entheusiasm or "conservatism" all the way down to negative emotions such as grief or apathy. The theory is that in going from emotion A to emotion B, one necessarily passes, however briefly, through all the intermediate emotions. Also: if you notice that a person is at a particluar emotion, you can move that person "up the scale" by affecting a slightly higher emotion. E.g., you could improve the outlook of a person in "apathy" by affecting the slightly higher emotion of "grief." Finally, if you want to communicate with someone, you need to do so at close to their emotional level, in order for your remarks to be "real." Thus, we antagonistic /.ers are addressed
with the antagonistic term "fucktards." In other words,
Mr. Fucktard doesn't really think we are fucktards, he thinks
we are retards. He's just trying to match our emotional
tone!
Now, this sort of thing actually works, up to a point, if you don't get absolutist or silly about it. So this idea of "tone matching" (which is more or less common sense in some situations for some people) is regarded by the LRH devotee as a Great Secret of the Universe that they can use -- scientifically!! -- when dealing with other people. But much of life can't be reduced to easy formulas, and the answer to inevitable failures is: more LRH books, more auditing, more drills, more courses, etc., etc. In other words, you're not controlling other people, you're being controlled. Almost Faustian, if you think about it.
I carry in my wallet a card that says, "Probably the most neglected friend you have is you." The quote is from LRH's book "Self Analysis." I plan on showing that card to anyone who tries to interest me in a "free personality test" or whatever. I would try to tell that person a short version of my story and then I would say, "You're probably going to run into some real difficulties with the Church at some point, and when you do, I want you to remember that quote. For now, think about this: the C of S says it will improve your affinity, but it is one of the most detested sects in the western world. It says it will improve your reality, but it insists that you accept its wild delusions. It says it will improve your communication, but it cuts you off from your fellow 'wog' humans. It says it will give you control, then it tries to run your life. It says it will improve your havingness, then it takes everything you have."
There is no need to taunt anyone with tales of the evil Xenu.
As to you, Mr./Ms. Fucktard of the OSA, I don't want to leave you with a wrong item, so I must tell you: I'm not the SP here. Your church is. Get that right and you will be free. Sorry for feeding you a cognition, but you need it because your mind has been fucked. Fucked hard.
"The dark ages of christianity and islam have been marked by strong domination by fundamentalism." Precisely. But you seem to have missed the point that you yourself have made. There is a HUGE difference between a person who practices their religion with their brain on, considering the tenets of the religion and potentially discarding or modifying them when necessary, and a fundamentalist, who believes that their religion should be practiced TO THE LETTER, even in cases where the text was obviously meant in allegory or metaphor. Now, having said that, I think I can point out a major difference between Christianity and Scientology: all Scientologists are conditioned from conversion to be fundies. Not all Christians are fundies. Many of them are very nice, thoughtful people. Major difference #2: Christianity encourages love for your fellow man, regardless of his religion. Scientology literally preaches hate for anyone not a Scientologist. While there are some serious problems in the history of the Christian faith, the tenets of the religion are a lot nicer than those of Scientology, and that does make a real difference. Chances are that 90% of the people you know are Christian, and only about 5% of them (at least in my experience) will try in any unpleasant way (threats, bashing, etc.) to convert you. Scientologists try to convert everyone (again, in my experience) in nasty ways, and won't stop when you ask them to. Even the nasty Christians will shut up when asked politely.
Dutch news site Nu.nl has an articlestating that Xenu's ISP is under fire now. Apparently, xtdnet's upstream provider, Priority Telecom has disconnected xtdnet over Xenu. Xtdnet has an article with more detail.
Xenu is still up, though.
Experience the 'spiritual' gains of $cientology auditing "technology".
* Make your conscience disappear!
* Have all your innermost secrets recorded in case we need them...
* Lose all touch with reality, and become lost in the endless world of Hubbardian Cosmology!
* Discover that you are infested with spirits of dead space aliens!
* Spend years removing them!
* Sell everything you own, because you will become convinced that the "next" secret level will make it all make sense...
* Have your sense of humanity expertly removed by our 'standard tech-trained' brainwashers.
* Lose all inhibitions for evil or despicable conduct - as you will shortly feel that any act is justifiable in the name of "Ron".
And rest easy, with the calm self assurance that your "donations"are supporting a platoon of the most expensive lawyers in the world....that are needed to ensure that the FRAUD of $cientology continues...
Ferengi + Borg = Scientology