I hear you, but just blatantly and recklessly ignore you. So, you break in to my house and wander around, realizing that anyone could have done this. I come home and find a big note on my front-door, it says, I came into your house, but don't worry, I locked the window when I left.
Yes, I admit this happens sometimes. But more often than not this is more realistic:
I see your house on the street, it looks like you might not have known what you were doing when you built it. I walk all around it, try all the locks and make sure everything is locked. If something is unlocked, then I walk in, go through your stuff to see how insecure your house is. I then erect a billboard on your front lawn that says that your house is insecure.
Sure, it gets the problem fixed, but is this a tactful way to do it? What right do we have to go test all the locks? Its a different matter if we should happen to stumble upon an unlocked door in the course of normal events, but most break ins are the result of a deliberate effort. This scenario is about the same as what happened to slashdot the other night, and while I appreciate that the intruders didn't break anything major, that doesn't excuse what they did. -
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Getting WAY offtopic, but...
PS- If you really want help your kiddie porn crusade, I suggest you contribute to developments in AI. If you accept the idea that people will eventually create a self-aware computer program, you can accept the idea that it will probably be used to monitor internet traffic.
Thats the scary part about singularity that most of us don't want to see. Infinite power as such an AI could wield, should not be wielded for "social causes," or we are all in BIG BIG trouble. Think the ultimate Big Brother. We can only hope to not pass on our social goals into any seed AI that we write, if it would even be possible. (A lot of our society doesn't make logical sense from an external point of view. The AI may be too smart to fall victim to our socialization.) -
Man, you must not play the stock market much. Stocks almost always have the huge dips from missed earnings estimates (even if only by a couple cents per share). If a company were to suddenly post a loss when the market was expecting significant earnings, there wouldn't be much left of the stock price afterward. Look at most of the companies that have taken a beating this year... A lot of them are Cash Cows, and have been for a long time. Todays market prices only on growth, not on raw earnings. This is partly because a lot of stocks that should be paying dividends, aren't. MSFT I am looking in your general direction. -
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Is life so dear or peace so sweet to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death. -
My god... I can't believe you people sometimes. You think carnivore is bad, and you pontificate about encryption being the only way to secure your email from the Government's prying eyes. Then this story comes out, and of the comments so far, no one has anything good to say about it.
Don't you think the Government already has some sort of monitoring system for IRC? Don't you think that this would at least provide some higher level of security than none at all? Sure, none of you all will admit to using IRC, but that doesn't matter, because hundreds of thousands of other people do use IRC, and in the end, we are the ones that know how to protect ourselves, they are the ones that don't.
I think this system is a good idea, and while some of you have valid points, there are limits to the security of a public messaging system. After all, all security eventually boils down to trusted authority regarding identity, which is something IRC may never have. -
Actually VA isn't the only state to pass the UCITA:
OK HI IA IL -- Have Introduced bills
MD VA -- Have Passed UCITA
WA -- The Wall Street Journal reported on 10/11/99 that Microsoft was lobbying the Washington legislature heavily to introduce and pass that state's UCITA legislation.
Oh my god, I've got a huge pile of money, but I hate my life because all I ever do is work?
Then retire! Do shitty work, get paid, retire young. That ensures that the younger people among us will always have a labor shortage to look forward to. -
I am really shocked that people on here that seem so intelligent (sometimes), would blast something like this. I have the feeling that some dogmatic professors had a hand in this.
This isn't a religion, this isn't a political philsophy. Belief in eventual singularity is simply admitting that technology will eventually hit the point on the graph of 2^N where it grows so fast that things will change, quickly. I make no predictions on how long it will take to get there, but I think that it could happen tommorow, or it could happen anytime in the next 100 years, barring any major setbacks, i.e. we don't blow ourselves up first.
This will of course probably "end" the world as we know it, and it may well destroy us all. It most likely also makes it possible for us to know all that is knowable through logic. Let me shoot some simple logic at you.
IF it is possible to "upload" your "self" into a turing machine, then we will accomplish it.
IF technology keeps doubling (not CPU speed!), then we will advance on a path looking something like 2^N. It is important to keep this seperate from CPU speed, because electricity is just one way of representing a turing machine.
IF it is possible to build turing machines that can produce more complex systems than themselves, then all this is inevitable.
I believe that all the conditions above are likely to be true, or become true in the not so far off future. I also believe that humans can be represented with a sufficiently large turing machine (or a finite number of turing machines). You may disagree with me, but make sure you disagree with me for a good (logical) reason, and not just because of something someone told you. -
Ok, suppose Carnivore makes it out, and gets installed at ISPs... How long before someone breaks into an ISP, steals the box, and posts the executable/code/reverse compiled result to the internet?
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Its fixed... I mean the article says that the engineer submits plans and they identify critical parts.... Assumedly to make sure they are in the "Junk yard" and functioning, wouldn't be a very good show in a real junk yard.... they would take days to just rebuild a motor to have power. -
Does anyone else get that sold-out feeling watching BattleBots? Its almost as the actual battle isn't good enough, they have to have WWF-like dramatics.:) -
I got that too, at least this time they give you unsubscribe instructions, the last spam they sent me didn't have such things. Where did they get my email anyway? I am POSITIVE it wasn't double opt-in... and I KNOW it wasn't single opt-in, because I never check those things to be put on the email list. I think they sent the message to everyone that has ever had an account with LinkExchange, which is now 0wned by MS, or anyone who had ever signed up to get into the damn knowledge base, etc. I submitted the first spam to slashdot, it was rejected, as always. With all the spam news, I think that blatent spam by MS would rate news. -
It seems a common Liberal philosophy that no one should be held accountable for their actions. Ever watch Oprah?
Ohhhhh You beat your wife... I guess it was a bad childhood.
You got raped because you drank so much in some jock's dorm room that you didn't know what was going on? I guess that isn't YOUR fault.
Can't keep a job because you can't get up in the morning? Must be a "sleep disorder".
Can't learn to deal with people? "Social Anxiety Disorder"
Aren't too smart? Guess you have a "learning disability"
You get the picture. Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore, and I see most of this crap coming from more liberal people.
This has nothing to do with political parties, it has to do with ideas. The two parties are so hard to tell apart these days, it doesn't matter which one you claim to be part of, by picking a major party you are pretty much agreeing that freedom doesn't matter. -
Well of course... at some point you have to break the cycle.... It isn't going to happen all at once, and it especially won't happen with all these stupid Liberal parents.
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Power. I mean of course it is obvious, but there are subtle points.
Used to be, power was the person who had the gun or had bigger muscles. They made it illegal to use guns or muscles to have power over other people, unless you were an agent of the government.
These days, technology and knowledge of how to use it are power. Who isn't afraid of someone that can take your life and turn it upside down by erasing years of work, or worse, exploiting years of your work for their own profit. Guns and muscles aren't needed anymore, only technical knowledge.
The problem is that certain people in society have this power, and the government, who wants a monopoly on power over people, really hates that.
The government is the rightful holder of some of that power, but they of course abuse it. It is a war, they are trying to end the rouges with the new power with the scepter of traditional power.
The side effect is that they are taking power away from the people who are trying to use this technological power to prevent, rather than cause abuses.
What most of us here at Slashdot want to do is use this new power to help control the technology. We want to use our skills to prevent people from doing bad things with technological power. The government doesn't want to help us, they just want to maintain power the old fashioned way, with muscles and guns.
We must make the government accept that the only viable solution to this problem is technological innovation. Any other heavy handed solution will result in revolution. This is not something I desire, but I see it as inevitable, if the government doesn't turn around.
In other words, get off your damn ass and vote for someone who knows what is going on before it's too late. There is NO excuse for not voting.
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In the short term, perhaps an end to party politics as we see them today. In the long term, the reduction of politics to anarchy and flamewars.
The problem is, in the online political landscape from my point of view, I don't see this happening.
I see Democrats and Republicans online, but they are akin to Barnes and Noble, just trying to build an online presence becuase it is the "thing to do".
Other than that, I almost exclusively see Greens and Libertarians, which seem to be almost directly precipitated from Democrats and Republicans, respectively.
There are of course some fringe groups, an anarchy movement led by 15 year olds copying the same files from 1982 on how to make C4 with clorox, a few communists, etc, but really these people don't come out of their little shell much.
I think the internet breeds ideas of Liberty and Social Freedom, and that is why the Greens and Libertarians have gained some momentum, among techies. Of course, Katz is right, neither party is as big as it seems from reading a board like Slashdot, but both are growing, and could be significant in the next few years.
Of course, not many who lived through the 70s are going to vote for Nader, but Nader isn't the only Green out there.
The libertarians are crippled by being led by people with pretty radical viewpoints, who don't know the meaning of Moderate Libertarianism, who would have every piece of road in the US privatized. (mmmm A tool booth every 500 feet, sounds fun)
For the record, I am a Libertarian, and I plan to vote that way. Politics are not dead, they are just changing, slowly, which is a whole lot better than changing quickly, since that usually involves lots of social problems. (think Russia.) -
The truth is, there will be no money in any art that can be digitized, at least not any appreciable money from the art itself.
There will have to be something value added to make it worth anything. It is pointless to fight this technology, you can't stop it without taking down the Internet.
Don't you think the MPAA knew that you could fit 13 hours of music onto a CD as soon as MPEG technology was released? They of course didn't say anything, their existance relys on technological suppression. The cat is out of the bag now, and all efforts of the MPAA will be futile.
The only other option is an all out "War on Piracy" the same level as the "War on Drugs".
This is supposedly a country ruled by the consent of the people. Most people are going to not support the MPAA. Expect a propaganda campaign once this thing really gets going.
You tell me if it will be successful. We can all see how the War on Drugs is doing.
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SYN leads to death, only repentance to the Lord can save you and give you eternal life. The Lord is quite clear on this.
Exodus 29:36 - and every day you shall offer a bull as a SYN offering for atonement. Also you shall offer a SYN offering for the altar, when you make atonement for it, and shall anoint it, to consecrate it.
I know this article is ancient, but I just want to point out that ever since at least Win 3.1, maybe earlier, you can just hit printscreen to copy a screen shot to the clipboard, in windows and in dos boxes. -
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Yes, I admit this happens sometimes. But more often than not this is more realistic:
I see your house on the street, it looks like you might not have known what you were doing when you built it. I walk all around it, try all the locks and make sure everything is locked. If something is unlocked, then I walk in, go through your stuff to see how insecure your house is. I then erect a billboard on your front lawn that says that your house is insecure.
Sure, it gets the problem fixed, but is this a tactful way to do it? What right do we have to go test all the locks? Its a different matter if we should happen to stumble upon an unlocked door in the course of normal events, but most break ins are the result of a deliberate effort. This scenario is about the same as what happened to slashdot the other night, and while I appreciate that the intruders didn't break anything major, that doesn't excuse what they did.
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PS- If you really want help your kiddie porn crusade, I suggest you contribute to developments in AI. If you accept the idea that people will eventually create a self-aware computer program, you can accept the idea that it will probably be used to monitor internet traffic.
Thats the scary part about singularity that most of us don't want to see. Infinite power as such an AI could wield, should not be wielded for "social causes," or we are all in BIG BIG trouble. Think the ultimate Big Brother. We can only hope to not pass on our social goals into any seed AI that we write, if it would even be possible. (A lot of our society doesn't make logical sense from an external point of view. The AI may be too smart to fall victim to our socialization.)
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Man, you must not play the stock market much. Stocks almost always have the huge dips from missed earnings estimates (even if only by a couple cents per share). If a company were to suddenly post a loss when the market was expecting significant earnings, there wouldn't be much left of the stock price afterward. Look at most of the companies that have taken a beating this year... A lot of them are Cash Cows, and have been for a long time. Todays market prices only on growth, not on raw earnings. This is partly because a lot of stocks that should be paying dividends, aren't. MSFT I am looking in your general direction.
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Is life so dear or peace so sweet to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death.
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My god... I can't believe you people sometimes. You think carnivore is bad, and you pontificate about encryption being the only way to secure your email from the Government's prying eyes. Then this story comes out, and of the comments so far, no one has anything good to say about it.
Don't you think the Government already has some sort of monitoring system for IRC? Don't you think that this would at least provide some higher level of security than none at all? Sure, none of you all will admit to using IRC, but that doesn't matter, because hundreds of thousands of other people do use IRC, and in the end, we are the ones that know how to protect ourselves, they are the ones that don't.
I think this system is a good idea, and while some of you have valid points, there are limits to the security of a public messaging system. After all, all security eventually boils down to trusted authority regarding identity, which is something IRC may never have.
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Actually VA isn't the only state to pass the UCITA:
OK HI IA IL -- Have Introduced bills
MD VA -- Have Passed UCITA
WA -- The Wall Street Journal reported on 10/11/99 that Microsoft was lobbying the Washington legislature heavily to introduce and pass that state's UCITA legislation.
This info blantently "fair use'd" from:
UCITA Facts
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Go for it slashdot, patent your new system!
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Oh my god, I've got a huge pile of money, but I hate my life because all I ever do is work?
Then retire! Do shitty work, get paid, retire young. That ensures that the younger people among us will always have a labor shortage to look forward to.
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I am really shocked that people on here that seem so intelligent (sometimes), would blast something like this. I have the feeling that some dogmatic professors had a hand in this.
This isn't a religion, this isn't a political philsophy. Belief in eventual singularity is simply admitting that technology will eventually hit the point on the graph of 2^N where it grows so fast that things will change, quickly. I make no predictions on how long it will take to get there, but I think that it could happen tommorow, or it could happen anytime in the next 100 years, barring any major setbacks, i.e. we don't blow ourselves up first.
This will of course probably "end" the world as we know it, and it may well destroy us all. It most likely also makes it possible for us to know all that is knowable through logic. Let me shoot some simple logic at you.
IF it is possible to "upload" your "self" into a turing machine, then we will accomplish it.
IF technology keeps doubling (not CPU speed!), then we will advance on a path looking something like 2^N. It is important to keep this seperate from CPU speed, because electricity is just one way of representing a turing machine.
IF it is possible to build turing machines that can produce more complex systems than themselves, then all this is inevitable.
I believe that all the conditions above are likely to be true, or become true in the not so far off future. I also believe that humans can be represented with a sufficiently large turing machine (or a finite number of turing machines). You may disagree with me, but make sure you disagree with me for a good (logical) reason, and not just because of something someone told you.
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Once the code is on the net, it will be too late to ever keep it secret.
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Ok, suppose Carnivore makes it out, and gets installed at ISPs... How long before someone breaks into an ISP, steals the box, and posts the executable/code/reverse compiled result to the internet?
The ISPs would resent it so much, that it would probably happen quickly, with insider involvement.
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Sounds Cool, but how many geeks know how to weld, or design anything but software? :)
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Yes, it's a joke.
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Its fixed... I mean the article says that the engineer submits plans and they identify critical parts.... Assumedly to make sure they are in the "Junk yard" and functioning, wouldn't be a very good show in a real junk yard.... they would take days to just rebuild a motor to have power.
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Does anyone else get that sold-out feeling watching BattleBots? Its almost as the actual battle isn't good enough, they have to have WWF-like dramatics. :)
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I got that too, at least this time they give you unsubscribe instructions, the last spam they sent me didn't have such things. Where did they get my email anyway? I am POSITIVE it wasn't double opt-in... and I KNOW it wasn't single opt-in, because I never check those things to be put on the email list. I think they sent the message to everyone that has ever had an account with LinkExchange, which is now 0wned by MS, or anyone who had ever signed up to get into the damn knowledge base, etc. I submitted the first spam to slashdot, it was rejected, as always. With all the spam news, I think that blatent spam by MS would rate news.
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Let me articulate in a less flamebait way.
It seems a common Liberal philosophy that no one should be held accountable for their actions. Ever watch Oprah?
Ohhhhh You beat your wife... I guess it was a bad childhood.
You got raped because you drank so much in some jock's dorm room that you didn't know what was going on? I guess that isn't YOUR fault.
Can't keep a job because you can't get up in the morning? Must be a "sleep disorder".
Can't learn to deal with people? "Social Anxiety Disorder"
Aren't too smart? Guess you have a "learning disability"
You get the picture. Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore, and I see most of this crap coming from more liberal people.
This has nothing to do with political parties, it has to do with ideas. The two parties are so hard to tell apart these days, it doesn't matter which one you claim to be part of, by picking a major party you are pretty much agreeing that freedom doesn't matter.
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Hehe yeah, just with all the bitching the other day that the "Odd Javascript" was R-Rated, it just caught me offguard. :)
Post something on here when you get something on those domains... put it in your sig or something. I will check it out.
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Well of course... at some point you have to break the cycle.... It isn't going to happen all at once, and it especially won't happen with all these stupid Liberal parents.
Oh, It's not your fault, blame it on something, anything, just don't take responsibility.
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Someone named AssFace got a submission accepted? ;)
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Just send it over ham radio to the whole nation at once.
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Lets see, 600 Megs at 1200 baud... hhmmmm
KG4JHX
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Power. I mean of course it is obvious, but there are subtle points.
Used to be, power was the person who had the gun or had bigger muscles. They made it illegal to use guns or muscles to have power over other people, unless you were an agent of the government.
These days, technology and knowledge of how to use it are power. Who isn't afraid of someone that can take your life and turn it upside down by erasing years of work, or worse, exploiting years of your work for their own profit. Guns and muscles aren't needed anymore, only technical knowledge.
The problem is that certain people in society have this power, and the government, who wants a monopoly on power over people, really hates that.
The government is the rightful holder of some of that power, but they of course abuse it. It is a war, they are trying to end the rouges with the new power with the scepter of traditional power.
The side effect is that they are taking power away from the people who are trying to use this technological power to prevent, rather than cause abuses.
What most of us here at Slashdot want to do is use this new power to help control the technology. We want to use our skills to prevent people from doing bad things with technological power. The government doesn't want to help us, they just want to maintain power the old fashioned way, with muscles and guns.
We must make the government accept that the only viable solution to this problem is technological innovation. Any other heavy handed solution will result in revolution. This is not something I desire, but I see it as inevitable, if the government doesn't turn around.
In other words, get off your damn ass and vote for someone who knows what is going on before it's too late. There is NO excuse for not voting.
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The problem is, in the online political landscape from my point of view, I don't see this happening.
I see Democrats and Republicans online, but they are akin to Barnes and Noble, just trying to build an online presence becuase it is the "thing to do".
Other than that, I almost exclusively see Greens and Libertarians, which seem to be almost directly precipitated from Democrats and Republicans, respectively.
There are of course some fringe groups, an anarchy movement led by 15 year olds copying the same files from 1982 on how to make C4 with clorox, a few communists, etc, but really these people don't come out of their little shell much.
I think the internet breeds ideas of Liberty and Social Freedom, and that is why the Greens and Libertarians have gained some momentum, among techies. Of course, Katz is right, neither party is as big as it seems from reading a board like Slashdot, but both are growing, and could be significant in the next few years.
Of course, not many who lived through the 70s are going to vote for Nader, but Nader isn't the only Green out there.
The libertarians are crippled by being led by people with pretty radical viewpoints, who don't know the meaning of Moderate Libertarianism, who would have every piece of road in the US privatized. (mmmm A tool booth every 500 feet, sounds fun)
For the record, I am a Libertarian, and I plan to vote that way. Politics are not dead, they are just changing, slowly, which is a whole lot better than changing quickly, since that usually involves lots of social problems. (think Russia.)
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Yep, all valid points.
The truth is, there will be no money in any art that can be digitized, at least not any appreciable money from the art itself.
There will have to be something value added to make it worth anything. It is pointless to fight this technology, you can't stop it without taking down the Internet.
Don't you think the MPAA knew that you could fit 13 hours of music onto a CD as soon as MPEG technology was released? They of course didn't say anything, their existance relys on technological suppression. The cat is out of the bag now, and all efforts of the MPAA will be futile.
The only other option is an all out "War on Piracy" the same level as the "War on Drugs". This is supposedly a country ruled by the consent of the people. Most people are going to not support the MPAA. Expect a propaganda campaign once this thing really gets going.
You tell me if it will be successful. We can all see how the War on Drugs is doing.
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SYN leads to death, only repentance to the Lord can save you and give you eternal life. The Lord is quite clear on this.
Exodus 29:36 - and every day you shall offer a bull as a SYN offering for atonement. Also you shall offer a SYN offering for the altar, when you make atonement for it, and shall anoint it, to consecrate it.
Have you sacrificed a bull today??
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I know this article is ancient, but I just want to point out that ever since at least Win 3.1, maybe earlier, you can just hit printscreen to copy a screen shot to the clipboard, in windows and in dos boxes.
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