If you look back, you'll find that all the temperature increases over the pas 100 years have come from El Nino bumps. I wonder what's actually happening. It's certainly not the slow, even heat of CO2.
Try plotting a graph of the addition of a straight line increase and, for example, a sine wave. (Yes, I know El Nino/La Nina/ENSO is not a sine wave, this is just for example).
What you see is the line goes through flattish bits (where the sine wave is going down, countering the trend), mixed with rapid jumps where the sine wave is going up, adding to the trend.
Or to look at it in a more physical way -- El Nino can't be the cause of the warming -- it just moves heat from place to place, it doesn't make more heat.
The RSS satellite temperature record shows no warming since January 1997.
There is no RSS satellite temperature record.
Satellite data is the most accurate/unbiased vs. land measurements which are corrupted by urban heat islands, scattered measuring locations, inconsistent equipment+calibrations.
They measure microwaves. From these microwave measurements two teams attempt to work out what the temperature might be at different levels in the atmosphere, notably the lower and mid troposphere. Both of them have frequently "adjusted" their results.
UAH is based on a huge, often modified, piece of spaghetti Fortran. (The code for the current version is still not published).
RSS is "validated" against the output of a climate model! Yes folks the gold standard denier dataset is partly based on a model!
Neither dataset matches the radiosonde data taken from actual thermometers at the altitudes the satellites are supposed to be "measuring".
Thanks, but when I want to know the temperature I'll stick to a thermometer.
What a bizarrely specific period. Do I smell cherries?
Anyway, the trend since 1997 is (HadCRUT4) 0.093 +/-0.099 C/decade (2sigma), so it is just possible that there has been no warming over this ridiculously short period.
LOL, logic isn't exactly strong in you, young padawan, because anybody who links to video defending climate change deniers isn't being "logical":
You didn't watch the video, did you?
Scott Denning absolutely destroys the idiot climate change deniers at "ICCC6", ending with a cry of "are you cowards?". The whole talk is by someone who is disgusted by the way deniers attempt to rubbish the science because they don't like some of the policy implications.
and. looking at the graph, emissions rose steadily to 2008 then fell quite a bit. Seems causing a major economic downturn is the way the US cuts its emissions, not fracking.
Well, no. The EU and Russia have reduced their emissions since 1990, Japan has very slightly increased them, but nothing like the emissions growth of the US or Canada.
I have an idea. Handle it the way some of the smarter states in the USA do it. About 1 in 100 people in the crowd has a concealed weapon. Try attacking that. Return fire assurance is infinitely more effective as a defense and a deterrent than some ridiculous laws and metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs and all that predictable, bypassable nonsense.
> Post the issue to your distribution not the systemd group. It's a problem with almost every distro, right? Like what doesn't have systemd, slack?
No, it's only a problem for distros that don't have systemd. The problem is that newer versions of upower need systemd to do hibernate/suspend, and KDE uses upower.
The bug is a packaging error made by Devuan. I can't imagine why somebody decided to report the bug to the KDE team.
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"You shouldn't allocate the same amount of bits for My Little Pony as for The Avengers."
So they're dropping the resolution for The Avengers?
This Monty Python thing was a hint -- I'm in France. "No one wants nuclear" looks pretty silly when you read it in France.
If you look back, you'll find that all the temperature increases over the pas 100 years have come from El Nino bumps. I wonder what's actually happening. It's certainly not the slow, even heat of CO2.
Try plotting a graph of the addition of a straight line increase and, for example, a sine wave. (Yes, I know El Nino/La Nina/ENSO is not a sine wave, this is just for example).
What you see is the line goes through flattish bits (where the sine wave is going down, countering the trend), mixed with rapid jumps where the sine wave is going up, adding to the trend.
Or to look at it in a more physical way -- El Nino can't be the cause of the warming -- it just moves heat from place to place, it doesn't make more heat.
Wait, wait.
A few posts ago you said the temperature was not increasing. Now you say it is increasing, but not from CO2?
What?
The RSS satellite temperature record shows no warming since January 1997.
There is no RSS satellite temperature record.
Satellite data is the most accurate/unbiased vs. land measurements which are corrupted by urban heat islands, scattered measuring locations, inconsistent equipment+calibrations.
Unfortunately satellites don't measure temperature.
They measure microwaves. From these microwave measurements two teams attempt to work out what the temperature might be at different levels in the atmosphere, notably the lower and mid troposphere. Both of them have frequently "adjusted" their results.
UAH is based on a huge, often modified, piece of spaghetti Fortran. (The code for the current version is still not published).
RSS is "validated" against the output of a climate model! Yes folks the gold standard denier dataset is partly based on a model!
Neither dataset matches the radiosonde data taken from actual thermometers at the altitudes the satellites are supposed to be "measuring".
Thanks, but when I want to know the temperature I'll stick to a thermometer.
Worst, there is no "education for women must be provided".
Shhh. That's Agenda 21, don't mention it or you'll wake up the tea party loons.
Oh fucking jesus. If we move to alternatives
No one wants nuclear.
Speak for yourself.
Oh, and by the way, Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
18.8 years?
What a bizarrely specific period. Do I smell cherries?
Anyway, the trend since 1997 is (HadCRUT4) 0.093 +/-0.099 C/decade (2sigma), so it is just possible that there has been no warming over this ridiculously short period.
LOL, logic isn't exactly strong in you, young padawan, because anybody who links to video defending climate change deniers isn't being "logical":
You didn't watch the video, did you?
Scott Denning absolutely destroys the idiot climate change deniers at "ICCC6", ending with a cry of "are you cowards?". The whole talk is by someone who is disgusted by the way deniers attempt to rubbish the science because they don't like some of the policy implications.
Sorry, I don't have a big enough spoon.
One of these is not a country.
Woosh.
"The countries that have refused to sing/ratify"
Who are they?
The US (signed, but never ratified)
Canada (ratified, then withdrew in 2011)
Andorra
South Sudan
Palestine
The Vatican.
"collectively reduced their carbon emissions"
Ok, I'll ignore the minnows (I assume I can ignore the CO2 emissions of Andorra).
The idea is to reduce emissions from the 1990 base line, so how have the US and Canada done?
Carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in te United States increased by about 7% between 1990 and 2013.
and. looking at the graph, emissions rose steadily to 2008 then fell quite a bit. Seems causing a major economic downturn is the way the US cuts its emissions, not fracking.
And Canada? Same story, rose from 600 megatonnes C to 700, steady rise 'till 2008, sudden drop, then a slow rise since 2010-2011..
"by more than those that did sign up".
Well, no. The EU and Russia have reduced their emissions since 1990, Japan has very slightly increased them, but nothing like the emissions growth of the US or Canada.
Looks like you need to do a little more reading.
I have an idea. Handle it the way some of the smarter states in the USA do it. About 1 in 100 people in the crowd has a concealed weapon. Try attacking that. Return fire assurance is infinitely more effective as a defense and a deterrent than some ridiculous laws and metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs and all that predictable, bypassable nonsense.
ISIS pledge to kill thousands of Americans by opening gun stores across the Midwest
Do you really think France, and especially the French, would accept a "state of emergency" lasting years?
No, they will make the measures permanent like every other country that has reduced civil liberties. When?
This isn't the first time France has declared state of emergency, an the previous times it was removed when it expired.
But feel free to enjoy your ideologicaly inspired cynicism.
I certainly did.
Devuan did "rip out systemd", that's its raison-d'etre.
Devuan did not then "come with any of the supported solutions Plasma provides".
Then a whiny Devuan user wants KDE to do more work just to support Devuan's broken packaging decisions.
So it is a KDE problem, because they started requiring systemd.
No, upower started needing systemd. KDE changed nothing, that's why they don't see why they should "fix" it.
If you frame it as a Devuan packaging error, that means that including KDE is a packaging error?
Including a version of upower that only works with systemd, and not including systemd, is clearly a packaging error by Devuan.
You claim
doesn't work?
On what system, what does the unit file look like, where is the bug report?
The irony.
This whole dumb topic is about a bug in Devuan caused by them not understanding what they were doing when they removed systemd.
So, have you started work yet?
Or are you waiting for someone else to do it?
> Post the issue to your distribution not the systemd group.
It's a problem with almost every distro, right? Like what doesn't have systemd, slack?
No, it's only a problem for distros that don't have systemd. The problem is that newer versions of upower need systemd to do hibernate/suspend, and KDE uses upower.
The bug is a packaging error made by Devuan. I can't imagine why somebody decided to report the bug to the KDE team.
ITYM consolekit, not policykit.
What is an unnecessary hole? Allowing the user at the console to hibernate the machine?
No "people" are angry about this nonexistent "bug", only anonymous trolls.
There code is so crap nobody can write an alternative?
I cannot understand your "logic".
Debian did have a lot of developers resigning. Face reality.
A lot?
How many?
And why? (Some people left because they were fed up of the anti-systemd trolls).