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Bill Gates To Headline Paris Climate Talks

theodp writes: The NY Times and others report that Bill Gates will announce the creation of a multibillion-dollar clean energy fund on Monday at the opening of the two-week long Paris Climate Change Conference. The climate summit, which will be attended by President Obama and 100+ world leaders, is intended to forge a global accord to cut planet-warming emissions. The pending announcement was first reported by ClimateWire. A spokesman for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did not respond to a request for comment. Let's hope it goes better than BillG school reform!

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  1. Denied! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

    I would have got a frosty, but my Win 98 machine threw a goddam BSOD again!

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    1. Re:Denied! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Aren't all these climate talks the political/economic equivalent of a BSOD?
      Thus, having Bill Gates open up the talks where a bunch of Really Smart People tell us they're going to increase the weekly chocolate ration to 20g from 30g is strangely apropos.

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    2. Re:Denied! by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      AGW won't necessarily imply chocolate rationing.

      As the current cacao-growing regions become less productive, new regions might become suitable for planting.

      Requiring, of course, foresight from confectionery corporations to take a long term view of agriculture...

    3. Re:Denied! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      AGW won't necessarily imply chocolate rationing.

      No, but the Orwellian nature of anthropogenic global climate non-constant change warming does.

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    4. Re:Denied! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2

      This will stop the buffoons in power *how*, exactly?

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    5. Re:Denied! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Troll

      Aren't all these climate talks the political/economic equivalent of a BSOD?

      These talks are mostly meaningless. The last big climate agreement was the Kyoto accords, and in the following years, the countries that had refused to sign/ratify collectively reduced their carbon emissions by more than those that did sign up. Signing an agreement to do something is very different from actually doing it.

    6. Re:Denied! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yours is a rational argument. The drones pushing all of this (a) are not rational, and (b) will not be dissuaded in their termite-like quest to subjugate the global economy. (c) Because #Fairness.

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    7. Re:Denied! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amusing thing is the US managed to do it with... FRACKING!!

      Yep, the most evil technology developed in the 20th century was responsible for reducing CO2 emissions to a larger scale, on its own, than any regulation or agreement. Actually it managed to do it despite massive regulations to prevent it.

      So do the people running the government actually want to reduce CO2? Not if you follow their actions. Their actions imply they want to increase CO2 and only have it reduced after massive new taxes to "fix it" despite it can be fixed without taxes, as has been done.

      Not only is AGW a hoax, but the government's attempt to fix it is an even bigger hoax. Its gone so far over the cliff of believability I really have to start to question people who still push it.

    8. Re:Denied! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amusing thing is the US managed to do it with... FRACKING!!

      Only inside your mind. Out here the US produces more CO2 today than when the Senate didn't ratify Kyoto.

    9. Re:Denied! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Informative

      "The countries that have refused to sing/ratify"

      Who are they?

      The US (signed, but never ratified)
      Canada (ratified, then withdrew in 2011)
      Andorra
      South Sudan
      Palestine
      The Vatican.

      "collectively reduced their carbon emissions"

      Ok, I'll ignore the minnows (I assume I can ignore the CO2 emissions of Andorra).

      The idea is to reduce emissions from the 1990 base line, so how have the US and Canada done?

      Carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in te United States increased by about 7% between 1990 and 2013.

      and. looking at the graph, emissions rose steadily to 2008 then fell quite a bit. Seems causing a major economic downturn is the way the US cuts its emissions, not fracking.

      And Canada? Same story, rose from 600 megatonnes C to 700, steady rise 'till 2008, sudden drop, then a slow rise since 2010-2011..

      "by more than those that did sign up".

      Well, no. The EU and Russia have reduced their emissions since 1990, Japan has very slightly increased them, but nothing like the emissions growth of the US or Canada.

      Looks like you need to do a little more reading.

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    10. Re: Denied! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill (MS) is there saying that using non-MS products is bad for climate and he will help protect climate by giving more MS stuff to schools and so on.

    11. Re:Denied! by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      The US (signed, but never ratified)
      Canada (ratified, then withdrew in 2011)
      Andorra
      South Sudan
      Palestine
      The Vatican.

      One of these is not a country.

    12. Re:Denied! by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Some folks could see that as flamebait--in at least 2 orthogonal directions. I salute you in your braveness!

    13. Re:Denied! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It's all fun and games til the Vatican pollutes the world with their heavy industrial sector.

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    14. Re:Denied! by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      The figures in the report after 2009 are projected. How about a more recent report?

    15. Re:Denied! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      One of these is not a country.

      Woosh.

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    16. Re:Denied! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I don't have a big enough spoon.

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  2. Don't expect much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama has no chance of getting anything ratified by Congress, so anything he agrees to is DOA.

  3. Oh Boy by PvtVoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    This story will generate rational discussion on Slashdot.

    1. Re: Oh Boy by mSparks43 · · Score: 2

      the fact they have lost the world populations attention singing the climate change hymn won't stop them getting together to drink $100k bottles of wine and patting themselves on the back at what a good job they are doing controlling us and getting more and more people to pay them taxes and otherwise submit to their control.

    2. Re:Oh Boy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This story will generate rational discussion on Slashdot.

      Lemme start.

      That Bill Gates, man. If he's so smart, why ain't he rich?

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    3. Re:Oh Boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Gates teaming up with the Chinese a few years back to look into thorium energy?

      It seems like he's one of the few people setting up money dedicated to basic research in energy.

    4. Re:Oh Boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story will generate rational discussion on Slashdot.

      Kill Bill Gates, distribute his wealth. Problem solved!

  4. Multimillion dollar fund? by ravenspear · · Score: 2

    I heard that $640 was enough for anyone.

    1. Re:Multimillion dollar fund? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      I realize that you're trying to score some +5 Funny modding, but honestly, can't we leave that self catering BS behind us? The fact is that Bill Gates has done a lot for international aid, fighting diseases and now apparently climate change. Your comment might have been funny 10 years ago, but it's clear to me now that Bill Gates is less of a tech figure, and more of a philanthropy figure, and perhaps we should change our commentary to reflect this.

    2. Re:Multimillion dollar fund? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard that $640 was enough for anyone.

      Are you kidding? That wouldn't even pay for cocktails at the places where these people gather.

    3. Re:Multimillion dollar fund? by miguelco · · Score: 1

      I love this software multinivel

    4. Re:Multimillion dollar fund? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1600 of what?

    5. Re:Multimillion dollar fund? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was funny. And rather appropriate. Gates has always been self serving. It is always worth reading between the lines.

      https://theintercept.com/2015/...

  5. I hope his travel in France is powered by Diesel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Diesel is solar power done right. It is solar power in its most efficient and usable form. All those biomass that generated oil deposits didn't die for nothing. They transformed solar energy into oil so we don't have to pollute our rivers by making the solar panels, or to beg for China's mercy in order to make wind turbines, or to bury the homes of countless wildlife under water.

    Diesel is clean, efficient, and it creates jobs. It's patriotic to use diesel-powered electricity. It's the American way.

    If God doesn't want us to burn diesel, why did He made it so nice to burn?

  6. Glad Bill is headlining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone knows how to spark climate cooling it is him.

  7. "Let's hope it goes better than school reform" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  8. Well, look what he can do with windows 10 by burtosis · · Score: 0

    Climate change would be completely mitigated by this point if the world ran on windows 10. Obviously by some mysterious updates that would load while the unsuspecting sleep.

    1. Re:Well, look what he can do with windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      udd -> uud + e- + !v

      u Quark charge is +2/3
      d Quark charge is -1/3
      e- is electron
      !v is Antineutrino

      udd = +2/3 + -1/3 + -1/3 = 0 = Neutron
      uud = +2/3 + +2/3 + -1/3 = 1 = Proton

      And so Beta decay radiation (electrons) by changing Quark flavor changes a Neutron into a Proton. So I assume a Neutron is heavier than a Proton. And despite that a heavier element is created by Beta decay radiation.

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      In Hadron notation n -> p + e + v (e) was known before even the Neutron was discovered. I think it was 1930. Then the e stands for electron (beta decay) was easily measured but something was missing besides the n (Neutron Fermion) conversion to p (Proton Fermion). And the v (e) which is an electron neutrino neutral of charge hence difficult to detect without collision. So in 1932 when the Neutron was discovered as known today they renamed what was previously the Neutron into Neutrino. I will coin the word Entity for composited particles like the Proton (2u1d Fermion uneven Quark collection) If you don't understand what I am saying, the neutrino was discovered before the neutron and I just wrote something about it. Perhaps you have heard of the LHC Large Hadron Collider, now restart reading this message that starts with hadron notation beta decay. A Proton is a Baryon and a Neutron too. But they are Hadrons alsoo. And the Proton Baryon Hadron with charge 1 can easily be accelerated in the LHC. What scientists do is just messing and freaking with nature and then fantasy is needed to make up formulas that are to describe what is happening although I again prefer Quark notation like 2u1d and 2d1u for Proton respectively Neutron.

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      Gravity explained by spin. Imagine a pool table. You hit a ball and it follows a straight line. However professionals can hit the ball at a certain place so it spins while it moves forward with as result a curved motion. Just like mass affects time space continuum, this analogy uses spin to explain why gravity exists. It's a very simplified version. But you get the idea. It's also the ball spinning making gravity (bend curved forward motion) possible. I therefore assume gravity is at least a composited force consisting of mutual interaction. In this example the green sheet of the pool table and the spin of the ball. Have a nice day.
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      Imagine a rocket with endless fuel. This rocket has inertia. First fuel will be used to overwin inertia. Assume a stable amount of fuel to produce a stable propulsion force is available. Now relativity formulas say the faster the rocket goes the more energy it has. But this applies to the rocket fuel too. The faster the rocket goes the more energy per mass unit the fuel has. So actually you need less fuel per time to keep acceleration the faster the rocket goes. This relativistic energy changes the rockets inertia. But at a certain point relativistic energy suddenly rises exponentially causing exponential inertia for the rocket when approaching light speed. E=(mc^2)/(1-v^2/c^2)^0.5 and according to this formula both the energy potential of the rocket fuel and inertia of the rocket rise incredible so despite endless theoretical fuel lightspeed cannot be reached. But the good news is, the faster the rocket goes the more potent energy its fuel has as long as you keep below a certain treshold. Meaning to for example keep acceleration with 1g you need less and less fuel because of this relativistic phenomenon. But lightspeed can never been reached though. Regards, and thanks to the person telling me electron and positron create gamma rays when they meet each other. ( 511 kilo electron volt for each gamma photon. )

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      Since positron antimatter and electron matter together annihilate into 2 gamma Photons of 511 kilo electron volt I would like an experiment with a Gamma Ray Photon from at least 1.022 Giga electron volt beamed inside a fluid detection chamber. But I assume a little bit more energy in the Gamma Photon is necessary. I want to see matter created from Gamma Photon decay. The more energ

    2. Re:Well, look what he can do with windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit dude, your level of 'pants on head retarded' has reached critical levels.

    3. Re:Well, look what he can do with windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an army of kids in diapers and tutus playing with windows 10 tablets are the obvious answer...

  9. Obama: "What a powerful rebuke to ISIS..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No shit. Obama really said that:

    Obama claims the climate conference will be a "powerful rebuke" to ISIS.

    You can;t make this up.

  10. The blind leading the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pro-tip: Bill arrived at high monetary holdings for reasons other than his "climate management" skills.

    None of the concerns addressed by "100+ people" will be actual things they have control over. They may want to look like they have god-like abilities, but they do not.

    People generally have it in them to take care of the planet by nature. Instead of MSM media pumping ISIS fear stories and other lies, maybe just be a little more honest about what air pollution in eg. China looks like. 100+ people acting like they are "actually elite" because they have money and using this "projected status" to control more people and things does nothing useful for the world.

    Bill can take the spyware right out of Windows any day too. The problem, I realize, is the trust is already broken with the public. Try to fix that while you sit on 80 Billion Bills and pretend the world thinks you're generous.

    peace.

    1. Re:The blind leading the blind. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      pro-tip: Bill arrived at high monetary holdings for reasons other than his "climate management" skills.

      And you arrived at your Anonymous commentary of his activities through zero skills.

      Didn't read the rest, because see above...

    2. Re:The blind leading the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything said was correct. Thanks for telling us what you didn't read.

  11. 4 of 24 nations have majorities that want a deal by schwit1 · · Score: 1
    “In a similar poll before the Copenhagen meeting in 2009, eight countries had majorities favouring tough action.” This has always been an issue mostly for elites, probably because climate deals all tend to give elites more power and money.

    http://www.the-american-intere...

  12. Bill Gates to Headline? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I heard they tried to get Fetty Wap to headline, but they didn't want to meet his price.

    https://youtu.be/wxMZkhWum64

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  13. Re:4 of 24 nations have majorities that want a dea by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    Conservatives who control oil, natural gas and coal seem to wield power and money; are they not elite?

  14. Just because you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because you are rich, does not make you an expert on all things. Yes Bill Gates is/was a very savvy business man, but the fundamentals of climate change are not the same as marketing software. I do not understand why the media worships everything he says. I guess they are like most of the public, who believe rich people are better than the rest of us. The reality is that they are better at generating and keeping money (just look at their tax rates/deductions relative to the middle class) FYI climate change is a natural process for the Earth and has been going on forever.

    1. Re:Just because you are rich by unixisc · · Score: 1

      But Gates is on the same page as the people who are on the jihad against global warming. So what's the problem?

    2. Re:Just because you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you are rich, does not make you an expert on all things. FYI climate change is a natural process for the Earth and has been going on forever.

      Just because you're on /. does not make you an expert on climate science. I doubt Gates would take your ignorant opinion over a climatologist's educated opinion.
      At least be honest and admit you don't give a shit about the future generations.

    3. Re:Just because you are rich by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      He has moved from business to philanthropy. The fundamentals of climate change are irrelevant (unless you are trying to say it's not true, in which case you are an idiot who will ignore the fundamentals anyway). He knows the fundamentals of public policy and fundraising, which is what this is about.

    4. Re:Just because you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gates has put money into alternative energy, he's basically using this (and his TED talks) as a fundraiser for the businesses he's created, and hopes they take off, so he can cash out with massive returns. All you thinking he's a great philanthropist are failing to see what he's really doing. He doesn't give a shit about the climate, he just wants you to buy in to the high return technologies he personally stands to make a fortune from him. You'll never see him touting the benefits of solar, wind, thermal where suitable, because there's no money in it for him, despite these being proven alternative complimentary power generation sources to burning up dead dinos. It'll be something that doesn't quite exist, but could do, and guess who has all the patents?

  15. Re:4 of 24 nations have majorities that want a dea by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Sure, but you can choose to a certain extent not do business with them. Good luck trying to do that with the EPA.

  16. Bill's Pledges to Jerry Lewis Muscular Dystrophy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $0.

    Why?

    Vegas!

    Bill is no slouch! He knows that Bon Ki Moon and his 3rd world dictators want money and will pay Air, Hotel, Per Diem, Drinks, Prostitutes, Golf and be at the center of the storm Media Frenzy with all the photogropers fingering his Johnson just to get some of that sweat off his balls.

    Ha ha

  17. Re:Obama: "What a powerful rebuke to ISIS..." by unixisc · · Score: 1

    They should have bombed Syrian oil facilities. That would have been a 2 for 1 - rid ISIS of their revenue stream, and prevent more global warming by destroying the facilities that would bring more oil into the market.

  18. Expert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who would have guessed that being good at selling software, makes you an expert on climate change? The media must think that rich people are better than the rest of us. In my experience rich people are better at making money and holding on to it (just look at the tax loopholes they get the government to give them). FYI one constant with planet Earth is that the climate is always changing.

  19. Re:4 of 24 nations have majorities that want a dea by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

    Conservatives who control oil, natural gas and coal seem to wield power and money; are they not elite?

    Whatever gave you that ridiculous idea?

    Oil, natural gas, and coal are controlled by government: they are usually mined from government lands under government license.

    The companies doing the mining are usually publicly traded, which means that they are predominantly institutionally owned, mainly to pay for things like retirement.

  20. Re:Obama: "What a powerful rebuke to ISIS..." by reboot246 · · Score: 1, Informative

    The ISIS leader is not about to bomb any Syrian oil facilities. He refused for a long time to bomb any oil transport trucks on the lame excuse that some of the drivers might be civilians! Really?

    Haven't y'all figured it out by now?

  21. Re:I hope his travel in France is powered by Diese by 0dugo0 · · Score: 2

    Right, just don't burn it all at once.

  22. Wow, a -1 score... the truth hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is somebody on slashdot that marks any honest post that does not fir a leftist agenda with a -1, without making ANY rational counter-argument or posting any facts to make his case. Somebody "clinging to his [secular leftist] religion" it seems.

    People who rate other people's posts, for good or ill, should actively post some reason why. It's called a dialog. Anything else is a drive-by-shooting.

  23. Lefties are easily manipulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most "big oil" companies are happily onboard with the global warming idiocy. Their executives are among the rich elites of the world and they like to be welcome at the cocktail parties. They don't care what a gallon of gas costs, as long as they are making money on it. They'll happily pump half as much oil as long as they can do so profitably. Most of the "big oil" companies like BP and Shell and Exxon spend more money per year on "green" activities than on anti-AGW activities. The elites are very happy to play both sides in any issue, and run ads and sponsor groups that make the public feel good about them on whatever issue is hot/popular, as long as THEY remain the elites.

    As for "big oil and this conference:

    “We would very much like to see the 2C target being adopted. But more importantly, we would like to see adopted a sensible set of policies that will get us there, because just agreeing a target is not going to do the trick. An important element is to put a price on carbon [emissions] because that will enable – if the right price is set – the development of the technologies we are going to need if we do want to limit carbon emissions to be in line with the 2C scenario.” - Ben van Beurden: Chief executive of Shell

    Wake up. You are being manipulated by the elites into making your life more expensive and difficult so they can take credit for it and be popular anywhere on Earth where they choose to vacation, have an eighth mansion, tie up their fourth super-yacht, or build their newest cheap-labor filled factory. If things are ever too tough in your country, or the taxes ever get too high for their tastes, the rich elites want to be free to move to some place else and be equally rich and comfortable; they have no intention of paying taxes at the same rate YOU pay. What percent of your gross income did YOU pay last year? What percent do you think the super-rich left wing elites like Bill Gates, George Soros, and Warren Buffet and all the others who attend these conferences paid???????

  24. Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool, hopefully an assassin or something can find out what time he'll be speaking and put a bullet in fascist fucking head.

  25. Re:Obama: "What a powerful rebuke to ISIS..." by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    Except, there is little oil and little petrol processing facility in Syria. The valuable stuff is in Iraq. Which for political reasons we can't bomb. We have to maintain the face that the current Iraqi government is something besides Iran's puppet and that the Iranians are any less radical and dangerous than ISIS. Because Obama has a legacy to protect.

    Then there is the problem of our "allies" like Turkey who buy that oil and fund ISIS. The Turks are not our friends. They have no real interest if eliminating ISIS, they like this conflict because its an excuse for them to kill a lot of Kurds and for a lot of Kurds to otherwise be killed by ISIS. The refugee issue does not concern them, its irritating but they know the US will lose interest eventual and which point they will just have those people killed or drive them back over the boarder. There is a reason they keep them in camps rather than be absorbed into a culturally similar enough place where they could probably successfully integrate.

    Meanwhile again primarily because Obama has his nose out of joint not having gotten his way in Ukraine, we have to have some on going feud with Russia. Who actually does have a vested interest in seeing Islamic terror and ISIS dealt within, AND the good sense to realize that there are no good actors. These 'moderates' no longer exist in any kind of useful numbers there if they ever did. There isn't a good reason to pick one radical expansionist ideology over another. Its just a different kind of bad news. Assad actually IS the best of bad choices he is secular and by all accounts was pretty well content to be a big fish in his small pound. Much like Qaddafi was in Libya before we kicked that bees nest over. These people are nasty but containable. The Islamists are not! They seem moderate because the down and out groups are pragmatic they set achievable goals, those in turn sound reasonable to us but the truth is once their power grows so will their ambition. They won't be any less dangerous than ISIS.

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  26. Is Gates a true believer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or does he favor wealth re-distribution (theft by taking)?

    "The polar bears will be fine" -- Freeman Dyson.

  27. Re:Obama: "What a powerful rebuke to ISIS..." by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I don't agree that he's an ISIS leader. I think that after his term is over, he will be competing w/ Abu Baqr al Baghdadi for the mantle of Caliph. Which is why he wants ISIS itself routed, but the reputation of Islam to stay intact. Whether or not he is Muslim, I don't know, but I do think that he seriously wants the Caliph's title

  28. Re:Obama: "What a powerful rebuke to ISIS..." by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Syria does have an oil industry, albeit nowhere near the magnitude of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, et al. The thing that ISIS has control over and that Obama had refused to bomb was the facilities in Syria. While Iraq does have oil facilities, much, if not most, of that falls within Kurdistan, which is still not in ISIS hands.

    That said, I completely agree w/ you that the Turks are not our friends, and that there are no good allies in the region. Assad is the best for now - Hamas and Islamic Jihad have abandoned him since the sectarian fissures came to the fore since the start of the Arab Spring in Syria, and Hizbullah is up to its nose in helping prop up his regime. One thing that I find bizarre listening to Marco Rubio is the pretension that the Arab Sunnis would be our boots on the ground. The reason ISIS owns that place now is that the Arab Sunnis are solidly behind them - the numbers supporting FSA, al Nusra, Khorasan Group, et al are trivial in comparison. So the idea that Arab Sunnis would help police that area is like expecting Iraq's Shia to protect their Christians, and we all saw where that went.

    While I disagree w/ Russia in the Donbass, they are a mixed bag when it comes to this region. They are right that Assad is the best of a bad lot, and have good reasons to support him, other than their own self interests in the region. Their support to Iran however is troublesome, and plays into the hands of those who bunch them w/ Iran and Syria.

    Also, the civil war in Syria serves a good end - it ties up ISIS, Hizbullah, al Nusra et al in fighting each other, and when they do that, they are less effective elsewhere. Yeah, there are Jihadi groups worldwide who swear allegiance to ISIS, and ISIS does have a great online recruiting apparatus. However, ending the civil war in Syria just frees up everybody to commit Jihad against the West - whether it's ISIS, Hizbullah (who was very active in Latin America), and other Jihadi operations.

    That then leaves the question of the refugees - how does one deal w/ them? Simple - let Turkey know that Europe won't take in their refugees, and arrange to move them to other Arab countries. If they are Shia or Alawite refugees, move them to Iraq, and if they are Sunni Arab refugees, move them to Saudi Arabia. Arm twist Saudi Arabia to take them, maybe in their northern areas bordering Jordan and Iraq, and keep them there until the situation stabilizes. After all, nowhere in Europe or America would refugees find a compatible cultural environment: they'd have to learn new languages, new cultures, and there would be friction w/ local populations already increasingly concerned about more Muslims in the West, which also brings w/ it more Jihadis. Instead, send them to Saudi Arabia, where just about everything is common, and they'd just have to adjust to the cultural variations of the Saudis. It serves the Saudis as well: right now, they have a lot of low skilled labor from East Asian countries, whose people ain't Arab, and often ain't Muslims either. If Syrians go in to replace them, then the Saudis don't have to worry about their population being diluted by non-Arabs, and also get their labor shortages addressed.

  29. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, he's a programmar and a businessman. What exactly are his qualifications for regurgitating sky-is-falling global warming bullshit?

  30. previous attempts have failed / been tokenized by Idisagree · · Score: 1

    Clean fuels would indeed be awesome. Unfortunately when we apply commercial interference and box ticking, we end up with something worse. i.e. replacing CO2 with No2 in the UK, just to meet carbon emissions targets specifically, has been a terrible health blight on Britain's air quality. The road to hell, good intentions and all that.

  31. problems by Tom · · Score: 1

    Let's hope it goes better than BillG school reform!

    It won't. Bill suffers from the same ego problem that many successful people suffer from - thinking that because you were good at one thing means you are qualified to solving every other problem. But very few people are great in vastly different domains. Even most geniuses stick to at least one area.

    Giving money to people who are real experts in a domain and giving them room to find solutions is a hundred times better than coming in as a celebrity and taking over with your own random idea. This can, in fact, have a negative effect on the actual progress in the field.

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    1. Re:problems by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Giving money to people who are real experts in a domain and giving them room to find solutions is a hundred times better than coming in as a celebrity and taking over with your own random idea.

      You know that Bill Gates isn't one guy doing all the work all by himself right? He employs thousands of people who are experts in their fields, and they do most of the hard slog. He just sits on top and uses his clout to open doors that wouldn't otherwise open.

    2. Re:problems by Tom · · Score: 1

      You know that Bill Gates isn't one guy doing all the work all by himself right?

      Really? No, that's a total surprise to me.

      The point is not who does the work. The point is who decides which path to take. And from what I've seen so far, Bill is anything but a hands-off manager. His education project is the way he thinks it should be done, and his malaria foundation does business with pharmacy companies that he holds stock in.

      It might just be that he listens to his experts and then goes on stage selling their proposals as his ideas, but given his history with Microsoft and Windows and DOS, I doubt it.

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    3. Re:problems by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Ironic that the very thing you disparage Bill Gates for you are doing yourself.
      I'm going to assume you aren't an expert in either education or malaria research, so who are you to say what is right or wrong? I don't know Bill from a bar of soap, but I know he has proven himself clever and successful, and I'll take that over some unknown internet forum poster any day of the week.

    4. Re:problems by Tom · · Score: 1

      Ironic that the very thing you disparage Bill Gates for you are doing yourself.

      I'm running a multi-million dollar monopolistic company that harms technological progress and corners markets?

      so who are you to say what is right or wrong?

      I know little about education and almost nothing about malaria. So I'm not running around telling people how to run schools or cure people. But I know enough about philosophy and psychology to see your (and not just your) problem in thinking:

      he has proven himself clever and successful, and I'll take that over some unknown internet forum poster any day of the week.

      Bills success in exploiting the tech industry does not necessarily translate into any other knowledge. A lot of people who were genius scientists had brutally stupid ideas about politics. Many brilliant generals were utter failures at leading a country (they could win the war, but not rule what they won). We see successful people in arts or entertainment say things so stupid that listening to them is physically painful all the time on television.

      He may be tricky in business, but that doesn't mean he knows one thing more about education than any random Internet forum poster. Nor does it mean he knows less. Just because I say "don't listen to him" doesn't mean "listen to me". I'm saying "think for yourself and listen to experts, not to random people with no credentials in the topic."

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    5. Re:problems by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Bills success in exploiting the tech industry does not necessarily translate into any other knowledge.

      Bill was/is extremely successful in Business, and those skills are a lot more transferable than a physicist or actor trying to be a politician.
      He may not be the most perfect candidate, but I'll take a rich billionaire trying to help educate people and reduce diseases than trying cause trouble (eg Koch, Murdoch etc)

    6. Re:problems by Tom · · Score: 1

      Bill was/is extremely successful in Business, and those skills are a lot more transferable than a physicist or actor trying to be a politician.

      Why? You make a claim with no evidence.

      To be a successful physicist, you have to be very smart, have a deep understanding of various topics, good math skills, good memory, good deduction abilities and the ability to find useful information in a flood of incoming data. All of that seems to be good qualifications for politics.

      Or maybe not. The point is that this "business success == everything" meme is dangerous, and the fuck-up that our world has become thanks to neocons running the show is more proof of that than anyone could ever need.

      He may not be the most perfect candidate, but I'll take a rich billionaire trying to help educate people and reduce diseases than trying cause trouble (eg Koch, Murdoch etc)

      Now you're moving goalposts. Yeah, he's a lesser slimeball than those, but that wasn't what we're talking about.

      I don't mind him helping education. I just wish he would be humble enough to not think he is a genius who knows how to do it right, because that kind of people, especially in education, are a dime a dozen. For the past century or so, every generation of students had a new "best way" taught to them in university, and once they became teachers it turned out that best way isn't any better than the one before.

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    7. Re:problems by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Why? You make a claim with no evidence.

      Running a large software company is a business. Running an education program is a business. Running a medical program is a business. Pretending to be James Bond isn't, nor is solving equations.

      To be a successful physicist, you have to be very smart, have a deep understanding of various topics, good math skills, good memory, good deduction abilities and the ability to find useful information in a flood of incoming data. All of that seems to be good qualifications for politics.

      If you seriously believe that then I can't help you. Science, Arts and Politics are the most most disparate fields as you can get in life. Business falls under politics, as anyone who has graduated past peon worker, or runs their own business can attest to.

      I don't mind him helping education. I just wish he would be humble enough to not think he is a genius who knows how to do it right, because that kind of people, especially in education, are a dime a dozen.

      This makes no sense. Do you even understand how the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation works? This is not some Dr Evil operation where Bill laughs maniacally while demanding one million dollars. The foundation hires people and organisations who are the experts in their field. The work on Malaria for example is done by real Doctors and Medical researchers, it's not Bill and Melinda in their basement creating their own medicine

      For the past century or so, every generation of students had a new "best way" taught to them in university, and once they became teachers it turned out that best way isn't any better than the one before.

      My wife is a teacher, and that is false. Newer techniques get better results which is why they get implemented. It why we're still not all sitting around in caves eating insects.

    8. Re:problems by Tom · · Score: 1

      Running a large software company is a business. Running an education program is a business. Running a medical program is a business.

      That's true, but hospitals don't have their MBAs in the operating room, for a reason. In education or medicine or other areas, there is the business side and the topical side.

      Science, Arts and Politics are the most most disparate fields as you can get in life. Business falls under politics, as anyone who has graduated past peon worker, or runs their own business can attest to.

      They are disparate, but some skills are transferable. I myself moved from IT into business and politics and if I may say so, fairly successfully. Then I moved back, and took some of the things I learnt there with me. Yes, there are new skills you need. But like learning another language, there are also some things that are similar, some words that are the same, and so on.

      My point still is that being a good business man does not automatically mean you know the first thing about education or medicine. Nor does it automatically mean you know nothing.

      The work on Malaria for example is done by real Doctors and Medical researchers, it's not Bill and Melinda in their basement creating their own medicine

      Really? I withdraw all my arguments. I think Bill sits in a basement with some chemicals. How could I be so wrong?

      The very problem with the foundation that I see is that he runs it exactly like Microsoft. Other NGOs are already complaining that he's crowding them out of the area and there will soon be a monopoly on fighting Malaria. That can be good if and only if he has the best approach. In all other cases, it will do harm to the cause.

      My wife is a teacher, and that is false. Newer techniques get better results which is why they get implemented. It why we're still not all sitting around in caves eating insects.

      My ex-GF is also a teacher, so we both speak from 2nd hand experience, but about different timeframes. I specifically wrote "past century". Last I checked, our grandparents did not sit in caves eating insects.

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  32. Do they mean catastrophic man-made global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or 'climate'? What is a 'climate talk'? Is it a 'catastrophic man-made global warming' talk?

    Gee...

    www.climatedepot.com
    www.wattsupwiththat.com

  33. "King Billy" says "CLOUDY CLIMATE" in future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & -> http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    * :)

    (AZURE CLOUDS in fact...)

    REPOSTED: vs. the dickless wallies (lol) that downmoderated me the 1st time -> http://politics.slashdot.org/c... who don't realize that I can post w/out typical ac limits and will just post it again, exhausting their puny effete vain 'weapon' in the abused downmod, lol... you fail, trolls - You'll ALWAYS FAIL vs. me!

    APK

    P.S.=> As usual? No disrespect intended in my "King Billy" subject (anything BUT disrespect in my use of that - I greatly admire the man) either... apk

  34. And yet, NO WARMING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because your science is weak. The so-called greenhouse effects of CO2 are loga-FUCKING-rythmic. The half-life of CO2 in the atmosphere is less then 100 yrs, not 1000 yrs like you idiots propose.

    And there will be no justice. The idiots and scaremongers will move onto the next pseudo-scientific disaster in the making to line their pockets.

  35. Looking at the wrong emissions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Carbon emissions get reuses by planets and animals.
    The emissions that they should be looking at are the ones that aren't reused.
    Mainly the electronics, hard metals, and plastics from our electronic junk.