Possibly. But Tumbleweed have patented it - they got there first - way back in 1997 according to the story, so it's tumbleweed that gets the patent. I don't see what the big deal is here. There's always been a rush to be the first to do thing - it encourages innovation, and the one who gets their first gets to exploit the invention.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
First, it is debatable about whether they "got their first" in 1997. I seriously doubt it, if I understand their patent.
But most importantly, patents are not supposed to be given to something OBVIOUS to someone in the trade. Patents were originally intended to provide incentive to inventors to reveal their trade secrets... those things which could not be figured out by general examination or common knowledge.
Why? Evolution is a myth...er...theory. Therefore it is not true, it is unproven. He BELIEVES that evolution is true. I BELIEVE that God created everything. This is a common mistake or misconception from scientists and anti-christian nazis. Scientists are supposed to be open to any possibility, not BELIEVE dispraportionately one way or another.
Who told you this nonsense? Scientists BELIEVE something is true, that is they believe something disproportionately over other alternatives, when it has more credible evidence in its favor.
On the other hand, religious people believe something based on what other people tell them, with no rationality. Which is why they call it 'faith'.
Evolution is a theory. Has everyone forgotten what the word 'theory' means? If you have, go get a dictionary, please.
Yes, and the truth scale goes something like this:
LAW -> THEORY -> BELIEF
We know where Evolution falls... where does yours fall?
Where did the whole universe come from? - the big bang? Well what created the big bang? Don't forget the ask the next question... I found that it led me to God
And what created God?
If you're going to say something had to create the Big Bang, then you must logically say something had to create your "God."
Why don't you just relent and agree that humans do not have the cognitive power to understand the creation of the universe beyond the big bang?
It's like asking a termite what built the house it lives on... do you think they believe in God or in Humans?
How can you, as a BeOS fan, stick up for nVidia after they've given BeOS the ding-a-ling dinner* for so long?
They provide binary-only support for Linux, no support for BeOS, and they've entered into a deal with Mac to artificially release their GeForce 3 on Mac first. (I say "artificially," since you know damn well they have more people in the PC world that want the technology.)
nVidia blows goats. I have proof.
-thomas
* Ding-a-ling dinner. Translation: Telling someone to "blow you." AKA "kiss my ass."
It's loaded with bloat and crappy features I'd never want to use
Apparantly you are talking about the default distribution on mozilla.org?
when it comes down to it, Mozilla is absolutely horrible as a web browser.
I disagree completely, it's good and getting better as they progress.
Everyone is seeking their own selfish gratification in being recognized for adding a new feature to a program, but no one is willing to try and make the existing features work properly.
That's a load of shit. Yes, there are some people that only want to add new features, features they want or need. That's the nature of an OSS project.
However, the VAST number of real engineers working on Mozilla are fixing bugs submitted by users and other developers. Take a look at Bugzilla if you don't believe me.
I'd like to see this issue addressed more often in programming circles, because something desperately needs to be done.
Herein lies the beauty. If you don't like the way Mozilla is being run, grab the source tree and branch off into your own group of coders that concentrate entirely on the current feature set, no bloat, and bug fixes only.
You'd be amazed how many rich suburban kids use Napster for the convenience, not because they don't want to pay. If anything, paying would make them feel better about downloading the music.
Yet another reason the RIAA's artists should be releasing their albums in high-quality MP3 bundles, for a fair price (I'd say, $5-7 per album, with 50% or more going to the artists themselves would be fair to us and fair to the artists).
People will pay if it's CONVENIENT and UNENCUMBERED. If either of those two things fails to exist, they will STEAL. This is why Napster is successful. This is why other similar services will be successful in the future. The RIAA can get it's act together and profit, or keep losing control over their content as they have been.
Aside from what the other guy pointed out about your example, XML provides for much more than just simple x=y type data passing. The beauty is in the heirarchies that can be setup to make data passing so much easier.
What if you're transmitting results from a database query in plain text? With your example, you might say, "put all data for one row on one line." Then what happens if some of the data is multi-line? Well, you have to escape that data somehow.
With XML you can define a "row", and inside a row you can define a "column", and each value in your columns can have well-defined types.
So, by all means use
KEY1="value1"
KEY2="value2"
but if you want something more robust for passing data across standard implementations in many languages, use XML.
As far as I am concerned, the code I have written for this software can be used freely for any purpose. Any derived versions of this software must be clearly marked as such, and if the derived work is incompatible with the protocol description in the RFC file, it must be called by a name other than "ssh" or "Secure Shell".
Sure looks like 'permission' to me.
Errr he gave permission to derive work from SSH, and permission to call your project something other than SSH and Secure Shell.
He did not give permission to infringe on the SSH trademark.
But if the price of gasoline goes up, you can bet your last dollar that teleportation will be made practical. Or that cars that use fusion will be developed.
Not everything is practical just because there is a need for it.
Great straw-man rebuttal! How about if you try a more rational analogy? Going from gas combustion engines to teleportation or fusion power is a tad bigger leap than going from Napster to a similar service! And Napster ceasing to exist versus gas prices climbing higher is not analogous either...
A better analogy would be:
"If we run out of petroleum-based fuel, a similar or better form of energy will come to the forefront."
And that's ABSOLUTELY TRUE, reasonably proven through a huge mound of empirical evidence.
Of course, this bias is the whole reason why people read/. in the first place. If you don't like the linux stories, then you can always A) remove them from your preferences, or B) go away.
I'm so sick of this BS answer. I *HAVE* removed Linux stories from my preferences. Yet it doesn't matter, because the/. crew posts Linux stories in ALL categories.
Like it or not, there are people that enjoy most slashdot stories, but do not like Linux. Slashdot used to be about news for nerds, not news for linux zealots. (And don't let me high user number fool you, I had a lower one a long time ago, and I know how Slashdot "used" to be.)
Visual stuff, GUIs, languages etc, are more *intuitive* in the same way that picture books are more intuitive to babies. It doesn't mean they are superior. This is why the best interfaces are a combination of GUI and language.
The question is, ultimately, who should pay the expense of people with genetic diseases?
If the government bans the insurance companies from doing this, the insurance companies will pay out more to these high-risk individuals, and your insurance rates will increase to cover it.
If the government lets the insurance companies operate freely, the government will end up footing the bill through welfare (i.e. your money via taxes).
If it was a libertarian society, the government would not interfere with the insurance companies. Well to-do high-risk people would pay more in insurance, but they would be covered. Poorer high-risk individuals would not be insured, and they would eventually need charity to pay their bills if they succumb to one of these genetic diseases. In such a society, with far fewer taxes, it would be much more common to donate money to charities and community organizations. Your money.
So although I'm generalizing quite a bit, you are paying for genetic diseases no matter which route is taken. It just seems "nicer" to ban the insurance companies from discriminating like this.
I bet the same people up in arms over these genetic tests are the same ones that are fighting anything to do with genetic engineering, genetic science, etc.
Kind of ironic, since we will eventually lessen genetic diseases through genetic engineering, IMO.
Not true. The.NET runtime can be installed on any platform it is implemented for, just like a JVM. Right now, there's only one runtime, and that one for Win32 and it's only in beta yet. For Java, the situation is, of course, much different. The common language runtime WILL however be ported to various other platforms.
Is this similar to how Microsoft was going to port ActiveX to various other platforms?
Microsoft doesn't have to invent an uncrackable scheme; they just have to invent one that makes it a bit more difficult and annoying to steal, while at the same time they make it as easy as possible to just pay for the song. I'm all in favor of this. (I want this to work on Linux too, so I don't really want Microsoft to control it. But the idea itself isn't evil.)
I disagree. The best way for the record labels to make money off of their music on the internet is to release high quality, unencrypted digital music that can be played on all hardware, all OS's, everywhere. Currently that format is MP3.
They bundle the music, they use Akamai so the downloads are fast, and they sell an album or a song for a small fraction of the price they charge for an album or a single.
They stop worrying about Napster and other P2P because they know that real fans of the music won't mind paying for it if it's EASY TO DOWNLOAD THE ENTIRE ALBUM, EASY TO PAY FOR, and most importantly, EASY TO PLAY ANYWHERE THEY WANT!
All encryption does is prevent honest people from using the music they paid for in the manner they wish. It doesn't stop the lamers who want to steal the music, because they will still circumvent the protections and encryptions.
Listen moron, Slashdot used to be a site for nerds, not just Linux Zealots such as yourself. They still have a lot of good articles posted every day that are NOT about Linux, it's just harder to use their basic tools to not display any Linux articles.
I'm sorry if I upset your little world by bringing some reality into it: not everyone here likes Linux.
What about places where you can't get a good fix on GPS satillites? I know with my eMap, if theres enough tree or building blockage I can't get any satillites. In downtown minneapolis I have no reception at all.. will the cars just stop totally?
THIS got a +5???
Let me take a WILD guess and say the car will continue to work just fine if GPS is not available. Sheesh!
You probably still think Microsoft is going to require a network connection to install Whistler, right?
All you need to use VNC is a browser with a Java VM and network access.
No, that's not true. You also need access to a machine maintained by you or someone you know, with the programs you like to use installed.
Look I use pcanywhere (just like VNC) all the time, I'm not dissing that type of computing. It rules! However, it's not really comparable to.NET-style distributed computing.
Subjective- but it's no worse than pcanywhere, IMNSHO
Who cares?1 I wasn't comparing it to pcanywhere, I was comparing it to the ".NET"-style distributed computing idea!
.NET distributed programs wouldn't allow you to run a unix program on windows, or a macos one in linux...
Yes, and your point is?
VNC does not require you to have a VNC client, you can use a web browser, if the server is set up to let you do this.
True, I forgot about the Java client until after I posted (same with pcanywhere). However, with VNC you need a server (maintained by you) to run your programs. So yes, you can do something similar to distributed applications, with the other caveats I mentioned (namely, speed and response time problems).
PCanywhere costs money, vnc is free. don't you know that/.ers lynch anyone advocating the use of software you have to pay for?
Christ almighty I wasn't trying to compare pcanywhere with vnc! The original poster tried to make it sound like "Yeehaw, we've been doing this on UNIX for years." I merely countered Windows has had an equivalent for a long time, as well.
I don't know which sponge-for-brains modded you up, maybe one of your "friends"?
Thanks for accusing me of cheating the system, but actually my posts start at "2" because my karma is above 30 (or whatever the cutoff point is)... sheesh...
Now, I think that being able to check your mail via an wireless-capable PDA is the bomb, but would you want the entirety of your computing experience to be that way?
Ummm, why does it have to be all or nothing?
Things I used all the time, MP3, for instance, or Quake3, yes I want them local. But I write about one Word document a year, so I'd rather not install a bloated office suite to do that.
There are many reasons this type of thing makes sense, some people will want all their stuff on their PC. Others will want all their stuff remotely so they can access it anywhere. Others (like me) will want a mixture of both.
Instead, why not look at two of the storiesSlashdot didn't care to accept for you today.
Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just categorize their stories correctly. Or give us better ways of sorting. I'm not interested in Linux news articles slashdot, but filtering out the "Linux" category does nothing because they post Linux articles in ALL categories.
How about adding perl regex filtering to slashcode. (This IS news for nerds, right?)
I could get rid of all other filtering options, and just use:
Gee, I was going to leave the toiletries rationing analogy alone until I saw you worshipping it like that...
I would not be comfortable with getting all my apps via the Net no matter the speed, for it would just as weird as living in barracks and getting my toiletries by ration every morning.
How exactly does this make sense? Living in barracks versus being able to access your programs and data from ANYWHERE that has a net-connected browser. Are they even close? Nope.
And getting toiletry rations every morning versus being able to access your programs, any time of day, anywhere in the world, for as long as you like.
Just because Microsoft has one business model for distributed server-based applications doesn't mean it's the only model available.
Slashdot Mirror
Apparantly your censorware thought the site was about dissecting zoo animals... the page starts with:
"Unix's Zoo of Languages... We dissect nature along lines laid down by our native language..."
-thomas
Possibly. But Tumbleweed have patented it - they got there first - way back in 1997 according to the story, so it's tumbleweed that gets the patent. I don't see what the big deal is here. There's always been a rush to be the first to do thing - it encourages innovation, and the one who gets their first gets to exploit the invention.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
First, it is debatable about whether they "got their first" in 1997. I seriously doubt it, if I understand their patent.
But most importantly, patents are not supposed to be given to something OBVIOUS to someone in the trade. Patents were originally intended to provide incentive to inventors to reveal their trade secrets... those things which could not be figured out by general examination or common knowledge.
-thomas
Why didn't you just type 'rollback;' ??? Transactions make life easy.
How exactly would 'rollback' fix the transaction after it has been committed?
On the other hand, a better RDBMS would let you step back through transaction log backups...
Why? Evolution is a myth...er...theory. Therefore it is not true, it is unproven. He BELIEVES that evolution is true. I BELIEVE that God created everything. This is a common mistake or misconception from scientists and anti-christian nazis. Scientists are supposed to be open to any possibility, not BELIEVE dispraportionately one way or another.
Who told you this nonsense? Scientists BELIEVE something is true, that is they believe something disproportionately over other alternatives, when it has more credible evidence in its favor.
On the other hand, religious people believe something based on what other people tell them, with no rationality. Which is why they call it 'faith'.
Evolution is a theory. Has everyone forgotten what the word 'theory' means? If you have, go get a dictionary, please.
Yes, and the truth scale goes something like this:
LAW -> THEORY -> BELIEF
We know where Evolution falls... where does yours fall?
Where did the whole universe come from? - the big bang? Well what created the big bang? Don't forget the ask the next question... I found that it led me to God
And what created God?
If you're going to say something had to create the Big Bang, then you must logically say something had to create your "God."
Why don't you just relent and agree that humans do not have the cognitive power to understand the creation of the universe beyond the big bang?
It's like asking a termite what built the house it lives on... do you think they believe in God or in Humans?
-thomas
How can you, as a BeOS fan, stick up for nVidia after they've given BeOS the ding-a-ling dinner* for so long?
They provide binary-only support for Linux, no support for BeOS, and they've entered into a deal with Mac to artificially release their GeForce 3 on Mac first. (I say "artificially," since you know damn well they have more people in the PC world that want the technology.)
nVidia blows goats. I have proof.
-thomas
* Ding-a-ling dinner. Translation: Telling someone to "blow you." AKA "kiss my ass."
Have you tried to use Mozilla lately.
Yes, have you?
It's loaded with bloat and crappy features I'd never want to use
Apparantly you are talking about the default distribution on mozilla.org?
when it comes down to it, Mozilla is absolutely horrible as a web browser.
I disagree completely, it's good and getting better as they progress.
Everyone is seeking their own selfish gratification in being recognized for adding a new feature to a program, but no one is willing to try and make the existing features work properly.
That's a load of shit. Yes, there are some people that only want to add new features, features they want or need. That's the nature of an OSS project.
However, the VAST number of real engineers working on Mozilla are fixing bugs submitted by users and other developers. Take a look at Bugzilla if you don't believe me.
I'd like to see this issue addressed more often in programming circles, because something desperately needs to be done.
Herein lies the beauty. If you don't like the way Mozilla is being run, grab the source tree and branch off into your own group of coders that concentrate entirely on the current feature set, no bloat, and bug fixes only.
You'd be amazed how many rich suburban kids use Napster for the convenience, not because they don't want to pay. If anything, paying would make them feel better about downloading the music.
Yet another reason the RIAA's artists should be releasing their albums in high-quality MP3 bundles, for a fair price (I'd say, $5-7 per album, with 50% or more going to the artists themselves would be fair to us and fair to the artists).
People will pay if it's CONVENIENT and UNENCUMBERED. If either of those two things fails to exist, they will STEAL. This is why Napster is successful. This is why other similar services will be successful in the future. The RIAA can get it's act together and profit, or keep losing control over their content as they have been.
Aside from what the other guy pointed out about your example, XML provides for much more than just simple x=y type data passing. The beauty is in the heirarchies that can be setup to make data passing so much easier.
What if you're transmitting results from a database query in plain text? With your example, you might say, "put all data for one row on one line." Then what happens if some of the data is multi-line? Well, you have to escape that data somehow.
With XML you can define a "row", and inside a row you can define a "column", and each value in your columns can have well-defined types.
So, by all means use
KEY1="value1"
KEY2="value2"
but if you want something more robust for passing data across standard implementations in many languages, use XML.
Sure looks like 'permission' to me.
Errr he gave permission to derive work from SSH, and permission to call your project something other than SSH and Secure Shell.
He did not give permission to infringe on the SSH trademark.
Or are we reading a different bit of text?
But if the price of gasoline goes up, you can bet your last dollar that teleportation will be made practical. Or that cars that use fusion will be developed.
Not everything is practical just because there is a need for it.
Great straw-man rebuttal! How about if you try a more rational analogy? Going from gas combustion engines to teleportation or fusion power is a tad bigger leap than going from Napster to a similar service! And Napster ceasing to exist versus gas prices climbing higher is not analogous either...
A better analogy would be:
"If we run out of petroleum-based fuel, a similar or better form of energy will come to the forefront."
And that's ABSOLUTELY TRUE, reasonably proven through a huge mound of empirical evidence.
Of course, this bias is the whole reason why people read /. in the first place. If you don't like the linux stories, then you can always A) remove them from your preferences, or B) go away.
/. crew posts Linux stories in ALL categories.
I'm so sick of this BS answer. I *HAVE* removed Linux stories from my preferences. Yet it doesn't matter, because the
Like it or not, there are people that enjoy most slashdot stories, but do not like Linux. Slashdot used to be about news for nerds, not news for linux zealots. (And don't let me high user number fool you, I had a lower one a long time ago, and I know how Slashdot "used" to be.)
Once upon a time /. actually used to be about Malda having fun and posting whatever shit he thought was cool.
Yeah, now those postings happen every once in a while, and the rest of the time it's LINUX 'R' US!
Visual stuff, GUIs, languages etc, are more *intuitive* in the same way that picture books are more intuitive to babies. It doesn't mean they are superior. This is why the best interfaces are a combination of GUI and language.
No, the best interfaces are invisible.
"Computer. Earl Grey. Hot."
I'm only half kidding.
The question is, ultimately, who should pay the expense of people with genetic diseases?
If the government bans the insurance companies from doing this, the insurance companies will pay out more to these high-risk individuals, and your insurance rates will increase to cover it.
If the government lets the insurance companies operate freely, the government will end up footing the bill through welfare (i.e. your money via taxes).
If it was a libertarian society, the government would not interfere with the insurance companies. Well to-do high-risk people would pay more in insurance, but they would be covered. Poorer high-risk individuals would not be insured, and they would eventually need charity to pay their bills if they succumb to one of these genetic diseases. In such a society, with far fewer taxes, it would be much more common to donate money to charities and community organizations. Your money.
So although I'm generalizing quite a bit, you are paying for genetic diseases no matter which route is taken. It just seems "nicer" to ban the insurance companies from discriminating like this.
I bet the same people up in arms over these genetic tests are the same ones that are fighting anything to do with genetic engineering, genetic science, etc.
Kind of ironic, since we will eventually lessen genetic diseases through genetic engineering, IMO.
-thomas
Not true. The .NET runtime can be installed on any platform it is implemented for, just like a JVM. Right now, there's only one runtime, and that one for Win32 and it's only in beta yet. For Java, the situation is, of course, much different. The common language runtime WILL however be ported to various other platforms.
Is this similar to how Microsoft was going to port ActiveX to various other platforms?
Microsoft doesn't have to invent an uncrackable scheme; they just have to invent one that makes it a bit more difficult and annoying to steal, while at the same time they make it as easy as possible to just pay for the song. I'm all in favor of this. (I want this to work on Linux too, so I don't really want Microsoft to control it. But the idea itself isn't evil.)
I disagree. The best way for the record labels to make money off of their music on the internet is to release high quality, unencrypted digital music that can be played on all hardware, all OS's, everywhere. Currently that format is MP3.
They bundle the music, they use Akamai so the downloads are fast, and they sell an album or a song for a small fraction of the price they charge for an album or a single.
They stop worrying about Napster and other P2P because they know that real fans of the music won't mind paying for it if it's EASY TO DOWNLOAD THE ENTIRE ALBUM, EASY TO PAY FOR, and most importantly, EASY TO PLAY ANYWHERE THEY WANT!
All encryption does is prevent honest people from using the music they paid for in the manner they wish. It doesn't stop the lamers who want to steal the music, because they will still circumvent the protections and encryptions.
ALWAYS.
-thomas
Listen moron, Slashdot used to be a site for nerds, not just Linux Zealots such as yourself. They still have a lot of good articles posted every day that are NOT about Linux, it's just harder to use their basic tools to not display any Linux articles.
I'm sorry if I upset your little world by bringing some reality into it: not everyone here likes Linux.
What about places where you can't get a good fix on GPS satillites? I know with my eMap, if theres enough tree or building blockage I can't get any satillites. In downtown minneapolis I have no reception at all.. will the cars just stop totally?
THIS got a +5???
Let me take a WILD guess and say the car will continue to work just fine if GPS is not available. Sheesh!
You probably still think Microsoft is going to require a network connection to install Whistler, right?
All you need to use VNC is a browser with a Java VM and network access.
.NET-style distributed computing.
No, that's not true. You also need access to a machine maintained by you or someone you know, with the programs you like to use installed.
Look I use pcanywhere (just like VNC) all the time, I'm not dissing that type of computing. It rules! However, it's not really comparable to
-thomas
Subjective- but it's no worse than pcanywhere, IMNSHO
.NET distributed programs wouldn't allow you to run a unix program on windows, or a macos one in linux...
/.ers lynch anyone advocating the use of software you have to pay for?
Who cares?1 I wasn't comparing it to pcanywhere, I was comparing it to the ".NET"-style distributed computing idea!
Yes, and your point is?
VNC does not require you to have a VNC client, you can use a web browser, if the server is set up to let you do this.
True, I forgot about the Java client until after I posted (same with pcanywhere). However, with VNC you need a server (maintained by you) to run your programs. So yes, you can do something similar to distributed applications, with the other caveats I mentioned (namely, speed and response time problems).
PCanywhere costs money, vnc is free. don't you know that
Christ almighty I wasn't trying to compare pcanywhere with vnc! The original poster tried to make it sound like "Yeehaw, we've been doing this on UNIX for years." I merely countered Windows has had an equivalent for a long time, as well.
I don't know which sponge-for-brains modded you up, maybe one of your "friends"?
Thanks for accusing me of cheating the system, but actually my posts start at "2" because my karma is above 30 (or whatever the cutoff point is)... sheesh...
-thomas
Now, I think that being able to check your mail via an wireless-capable PDA is the bomb, but would you want the entirety of your computing experience to be that way?
Ummm, why does it have to be all or nothing?
Things I used all the time, MP3, for instance, or Quake3, yes I want them local. But I write about one Word document a year, so I'd rather not install a bloated office suite to do that.
There are many reasons this type of thing makes sense, some people will want all their stuff on their PC. Others will want all their stuff remotely so they can access it anywhere. Others (like me) will want a mixture of both.
Instead, why not look at two of the storiesSlashdot didn't care to accept for you today.
/linux/i;
/open\W?source/i or $story !~ /windows/i;
Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just categorize their stories correctly. Or give us better ways of sorting. I'm not interested in Linux news articles slashdot, but filtering out the "Linux" category does nothing because they post Linux articles in ALL categories.
How about adding perl regex filtering to slashcode. (This IS news for nerds, right?)
I could get rid of all other filtering options, and just use:
$story !~
Or if you're a Linux fan, you could do:
$story =~
=)
-thomas
Gee, I was going to leave the toiletries rationing analogy alone until I saw you worshipping it like that...
I would not be comfortable with getting all my apps via the Net no matter the speed, for it would just as weird as living in barracks and getting my toiletries by ration every morning.
How exactly does this make sense? Living in barracks versus being able to access your programs and data from ANYWHERE that has a net-connected browser. Are they even close? Nope.
And getting toiletry rations every morning versus being able to access your programs, any time of day, anywhere in the world, for as long as you like.
Just because Microsoft has one business model for distributed server-based applications doesn't mean it's the only model available.
Forgot to mention PCAnywhere also has a java client that works on all java browsers (been out since 97 or 98).