All my apps are already available from any web browser in the world. It's called VNC, and the VNC java applet viewer. Without the general-purpose operating system, this wouldn't be possible.
VNC performance is slow, response is sluggish, even on a ADSL or cable connection. This is because the processing is all done on the server end. This distributed technology like.NET puts the program on the client side for fast response, it's just that the program is lightweight and stored on a remote server (along with the data, presumably).
VNC also requires that you have a VNC client, which although ported to many OS's is not as ubiquitous as a web browser.
Oh, and I've been doing this since 1998 on backwards Unix systems.
Big whoop, I've been doing the same thing on Windows computers with PCAnywhere since 1996 or 97... that's not the point.
Nope, it says just what its supposed to. It does make sense. Think about it.
I did think about it... it still doesn't make sense. You only negated one of the two key words: insufficiently. So it doesn't make sense as a joke. Re-read the original quote:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Yours basically reads like this:
"Any insufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
I've had several ideas how to make money with the program selling a service (ie, actually doing something that contributes to society), but it would appear that I'm blocked by a patent that has bogus claims. Tell me again how this benefits society.
Patents aren't supposed to benefit society, they are supposed to benefit the patent holder and provide incentive for people/companies to spend money and time inventing things.
I, too, was going to write a similar program to yours after seeing those cool photo-mosaics in the malls. I found out about the patent, and didn't bother. I guess some people aren't afraid to buck the trend, though. Here's a program on BeBits which runs on BeOS. It takes input from your TV card, a source image, and generates a photomosaic. The longer you leave it running, the better the picture will be... quite a cool program (source included, too):
P.S. Another option for your project would be to license the patent... that's one of the goals of obtaining a patent, is to license it to others that want to use it. But I agree, that patent is way too obvious.
Why do people always assume that HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL devices such as this are going to be immediately implemented, exactly as they are shown in these articles.
You know, it *is* possible that the people working on this technology just MAY have thought of the same scenarios as those envisioned here.
How many people REALLY think the inventors of this technology expect a pilot to:
- Not move their hand except to control the airplane for X amount of hours.
- Not sneeze, scratch, or otherwise involuntarily move their hand.
I mean, sheesh!!! Give these people some credit for having common sense...
As for those who say that Internet-distributed apps via Mozilla-XUL or MS-.NET are the future, you are omitting an important human element: Territory. My workstation is my territory; I want to control it's config to suit my tastes, I want to determine its design tradeoffs (e.g. speed v. portability), etc. I would not be comfortable with getting all my apps via the Net no matter the speed, for it would just as weird as living in barracks and getting my toiletries by ration every morning.
It's ironic that you accuse Raskin of having "A Limited Vision" when yours is just as limited!
Why not wait and see what it's like using these distributed types of applications before slamming them? To me, being able to have my desktop and all programs available from ANY WEB BROWSING DEVICE is unbelievably cool. It will probably take 2-3 years for the speed of the net and the quality of these types of applications to become really satisfactory, but have some patience, and a little "Vision," why don't you?
A child should be free to discover their own talents and weaknesses. This is much harder when someone else has taken your genes along the same path 40 years before. It is bad enough trying to live up to an illustrious parent without having identical genes. Imagine the angst of achieving little with the same genes as your famous clone parent. Note that this is different from identical twins, as they are the same age.
Oh puhleeze! It's exactly the same as when two identical twins are born, and one becomes really good at something, or really famous at something, and the other one SUCKS! (to put it bluntly)
How is it any different? You got the same genes as your twin, and they are successful where you are not. No difference.
A very promising part of it all is ASP.NET (formerly ASP+) which has 'server-based GUI-elements'. This is really just a framework handling programmatic manipulation of forms, listboxes etc so you're finally not having to do Print "$e"; and so on.
How is this different than, say, the CGI module for Perl?
All I can tell you is when my dad was growing up (he's almost 60), cigarettes were not well known to be bad for you. Shit, they had commercials saying (or implying) they were good for your health!
Did you read what I said? They were hooked BEFORE it was public knowledge. They were lied to about the product when the tobacco companies KNEW they were lying, that their product killed, that they were making it more addictive through the use of chemicals.
As much as I love (and use) the opennap servers, they are not a viable alternative to commercial napster. The servers have limited load, for one, and the (commercial) Napster users DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. A friend of mine was recently banned by Metallica because she had a song titled "Metallica-Sucks.MP3"
She didn't know what to do, because her IP dosn't change, and she couldn't get around the block. I asked her if she tried Napigator or any of the alternatives. Her response? "What? You mean that there's more than just napster?"
She's just a typical college student. If the average student dosn't know about the options, who does?
You see, there was a time, believe it or not, where nobody knew what Napster was, either!
That's right, it is possible for people to learn about more P2P networks and clients if you give them a chance to grow.
Lame. I'm sorry old guy in the bed with a destroyed trachea, but Phillip Morris wont change their product until idiots like you decide to stop putting a roll of burning tobacco between your lips. Quit bitching and accept responsibility for what you have done to yourself.
It's one thing when you come down this hard on a teenager or even someone thirty or forty years old. But the "old-timers" that are addicted to nicotene have a legitimate gripe... the tobacco companies lied and schemed to hook people when it wasn't public knowledge that smoking can give you cancer.
Moment of Silence...as envisioned by George Carlin
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Why is it a moment of silence? What's this silence?
How 'bout a moment of screaming?! These people are dead! You know, 'AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhh!!!"
Yea, unfortunately you're absolutely right. It's a sad commentary on American taste when "Steven Spielberg's AI" will bring a bigger audience than would "Stanley Kubrick's AI".
You're right. Only us dumb Americans loved the following movies:
Jaws
Indiana Jones Trilogy
The Color Purple
E.T.
Saving Private Ryan
Jurassic Park
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Empire of the Sun
Schindler's List
Just because Spielberg is capable of more than one movie a decade and is not a control freak doesn't mean he's any less of an artist or kick-ass director.
I like to take the broader view of this whole situation. A dominant theory of Earth history says it has gone through cycles of "hotter than normal" and "colder than normal" for billions of years.
And you guys are worried about a measly century of global warming? As Carl Sagan said, if the history of the universe was described as a 12-month calendar, Earth's human race would have taken up less than ONE SECOND of that entire calendar year.
Kinda puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
Bring on the global warming! As George Carlin would say, "The planet is fine... the PEOPLE are fucked! Big difference!"
Two years from now, when Mac users are running OS X 2.0 on 3GHz 64 bit G5s, and Be is running on Palm Pilots and cell phones, you tell me who is the future.
Well, it won't be palm pilots, but a derivative thereof, and it will be much more than just that (entertainment appliances, information appliances, kitchen appliances, you name it), but yes, if both those things happen, Be will be "the future" as you put it.
Let me give you a clue: there are more non-geeks than geeks. Therefore there is a bigger market for appliances than personal computers.
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All my apps are already available from any web browser in the world. It's called VNC, and the VNC java applet viewer. Without the general-purpose operating system, this wouldn't be possible.
.NET puts the program on the client side for fast response, it's just that the program is lightweight and stored on a remote server (along with the data, presumably).
VNC performance is slow, response is sluggish, even on a ADSL or cable connection. This is because the processing is all done on the server end. This distributed technology like
VNC also requires that you have a VNC client, which although ported to many OS's is not as ubiquitous as a web browser.
Oh, and I've been doing this since 1998 on backwards Unix systems.
Big whoop, I've been doing the same thing on Windows computers with PCAnywhere since 1996 or 97... that's not the point.
Nope, it says just what its supposed to. It does make sense. Think about it.
I did think about it... it still doesn't make sense. You only negated one of the two key words: insufficiently. So it doesn't make sense as a joke. Re-read the original quote:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Yours basically reads like this:
"Any insufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
See?
-thomas
I've had several ideas how to make money with the program selling a service (ie, actually doing something that contributes to society), but it would appear that I'm blocked by a patent that has bogus claims. Tell me again how this benefits society.
Patents aren't supposed to benefit society, they are supposed to benefit the patent holder and provide incentive for people/companies to spend money and time inventing things.
I, too, was going to write a similar program to yours after seeing those cool photo-mosaics in the malls. I found out about the patent, and didn't bother. I guess some people aren't afraid to buck the trend, though. Here's a program on BeBits which runs on BeOS. It takes input from your TV card, a source image, and generates a photomosaic. The longer you leave it running, the better the picture will be... quite a cool program (source included, too):
NotMosaic for BeOS
-thomas
P.S. Another option for your project would be to license the patent... that's one of the goals of obtaining a patent, is to license it to others that want to use it. But I agree, that patent is way too obvious.
Why do people always assume that HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL devices such as this are going to be immediately implemented, exactly as they are shown in these articles.
You know, it *is* possible that the people working on this technology just MAY have thought of the same scenarios as those envisioned here.
How many people REALLY think the inventors of this technology expect a pilot to:
- Not move their hand except to control the airplane for X amount of hours.
- Not sneeze, scratch, or otherwise involuntarily move their hand.
I mean, sheesh!!! Give these people some credit for having common sense...
-thomas
Your sig says:
"Any technology indistinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
But that doesn't make sense (nor is it funny as a joke). I think you meant 'distinguishable'... right?
As for those who say that Internet-distributed apps via Mozilla-XUL or MS-.NET are the future, you are omitting an important human element: Territory. My workstation is my territory; I want to control it's config to suit my tastes, I want to determine its design tradeoffs (e.g. speed v. portability), etc. I would not be comfortable with getting all my apps via the Net no matter the speed, for it would just as weird as living in barracks and getting my toiletries by ration every morning.
It's ironic that you accuse Raskin of having "A Limited Vision" when yours is just as limited!
Why not wait and see what it's like using these distributed types of applications before slamming them? To me, being able to have my desktop and all programs available from ANY WEB BROWSING DEVICE is unbelievably cool. It will probably take 2-3 years for the speed of the net and the quality of these types of applications to become really satisfactory, but have some patience, and a little "Vision," why don't you?
-thomas
But it's 500 feet tall!
A child should be free to discover their own talents and weaknesses. This is much harder when someone else has taken your genes along the same path 40 years before. It is bad enough trying to live up to an illustrious parent without having identical genes. Imagine the angst of achieving little with the same genes as your famous clone parent. Note that this is different from identical twins, as they are the same age.
Oh puhleeze! It's exactly the same as when two identical twins are born, and one becomes really good at something, or really famous at something, and the other one SUCKS! (to put it bluntly)
How is it any different? You got the same genes as your twin, and they are successful where you are not. No difference.
5) A body with no head has no sentience.
What about guy's that think with their crotch?!
A very promising part of it all is ASP.NET (formerly ASP+) which has 'server-based GUI-elements'. This is really just a framework handling programmatic manipulation of forms, listboxes etc so you're finally not having to do Print "$e"; and so on.
How is this different than, say, the CGI module for Perl?
...as long as they reduce my fucking taxes!
All I can tell you is when my dad was growing up (he's almost 60), cigarettes were not well known to be bad for you. Shit, they had commercials saying (or implying) they were good for your health!
Did you read what I said? They were hooked BEFORE it was public knowledge. They were lied to about the product when the tobacco companies KNEW they were lying, that their product killed, that they were making it more addictive through the use of chemicals.
As much as I love (and use) the opennap servers, they are not a viable alternative to commercial napster. The servers have limited load, for one, and the (commercial) Napster users DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. A friend of mine was recently banned by Metallica because she had a song titled "Metallica-Sucks.MP3"
She didn't know what to do, because her IP dosn't change, and she couldn't get around the block. I asked her if she tried Napigator or any of the alternatives. Her response? "What? You mean that there's more than just napster?"
She's just a typical college student. If the average student dosn't know about the options, who does?
You see, there was a time, believe it or not, where nobody knew what Napster was, either!
That's right, it is possible for people to learn about more P2P networks and clients if you give them a chance to grow.
Amazing, but true!
Lame. I'm sorry old guy in the bed with a destroyed trachea, but Phillip Morris wont change their product until idiots like you decide to stop putting a roll of burning tobacco between your lips. Quit bitching and accept responsibility for what you have done to yourself.
It's one thing when you come down this hard on a teenager or even someone thirty or forty years old. But the "old-timers" that are addicted to nicotene have a legitimate gripe... the tobacco companies lied and schemed to hook people when it wasn't public knowledge that smoking can give you cancer.
Why is it a moment of silence? What's this silence?
How 'bout a moment of screaming?! These people are dead! You know, 'AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhh!!!"
--George Carlin
Id rather have free drugs today and free drugs tomorrow, government funded
Yes, let's have the government take care of us some more. They've done such a wonderful job with all their other programs.
The reference to a sensational hollywood movie typifies the American attitude to everything.
Yeah, well stereo-typing is not much better than trivializing.
How can you simultaneously say people "just don't matter" and then tell them to "go make a difference in this world by adopting [a human]".
If humans don't matter in the grand scheme of things, why should they go adopt them?
Hell, there won't event be a score
Yeah, they said the same thing about the Vikings/Giants game a couple weeks ago, except they were talking about the wrong team.
Ouch!
uhh....it took over 4000 years to put man on the moon.
Nah, it took 20 years to put man on the moon.
It took 4000 years for man to figure out he wanted to go there.
Yea, unfortunately you're absolutely right. It's a sad commentary on American taste when "Steven Spielberg's AI" will bring a bigger audience than would "Stanley Kubrick's AI".
You're right. Only us dumb Americans loved the following movies:
Jaws
Indiana Jones Trilogy
The Color Purple
E.T.
Saving Private Ryan
Jurassic Park
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Empire of the Sun
Schindler's List
Just because Spielberg is capable of more than one movie a decade and is not a control freak doesn't mean he's any less of an artist or kick-ass director.
-thomas
I like to take the broader view of this whole situation. A dominant theory of Earth history says it has gone through cycles of "hotter than normal" and "colder than normal" for billions of years.
And you guys are worried about a measly century of global warming? As Carl Sagan said, if the history of the universe was described as a 12-month calendar, Earth's human race would have taken up less than ONE SECOND of that entire calendar year.
Kinda puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
Bring on the global warming! As George Carlin would say, "The planet is fine... the PEOPLE are fucked! Big difference!"
-thomas
...that we (citizens of the US) produce 25% of the world's climate affecting pollution!
I mean we DO produce 10-25% of the world's food....
And we eat 50-75% of the world's food.
Or at least it looks that way walking down a crowded city street.
-thomas
Two years from now, when Mac users are running OS X 2.0 on 3GHz 64 bit G5s, and Be is running on Palm Pilots and cell phones, you tell me who is the future.
Well, it won't be palm pilots, but a derivative thereof, and it will be much more than just that (entertainment appliances, information appliances, kitchen appliances, you name it), but yes, if both those things happen, Be will be "the future" as you put it.
Let me give you a clue: there are more non-geeks than geeks. Therefore there is a bigger market for appliances than personal computers.