Perhaps it would be better if common sense would be applied in law...
Why should we be glad for this ruling ? It does not further our cause in free speech.. you can't explain things like Sklyarov did but you can evengalize nazi dogma's.. which one is worse for our youth, our FREE world?
This ruling is one of the many things that show us there is a gap between common sense and the law.
More and more i am becoming to see the US government as a subsidiary from a company.
Presidents are even campaigning with money donated by companies but yet people still believe they are doing things for the good of all... the companies don't donate large sums of money if the weren't sure they would gain anything..
Same with the law... Now Microsoft (which, through it's c*o's, donated large sums to the election fund of GWB)has been allowed to make a deal and Yahoo can go through with auctioning rejectable material. But if they convict Sklyarov
it is only because of one reason.. CORPORATE GREED!
Isn't it time that lawmaking should be done with common sense instead of money? Lobbying used to be a side thing people with similar interests did.. today you can hire a professional lobyist whether he or she has the same interests or not.. it has become an industry on it's own.. perhaps those who make laws should be made to publicize their agenda's and bookkeeping? Not just to a few but to all who want's to..
Then maybe we see common sense returning to our laws..
BTW.. this is not applicable to the US only.. it is the same for europeans as well..
Damn.. if it only had a 5.1 audio output i could build myself a nice DIY dvd player. Easy to upgrade (software). Of course it would have to run Linux because i don't want bsod's on my screen...
I wouldn't mind Microsoft resembling AOL. It's their right to try and do so. But the big difference with AOL is that with AOL i at least have a choice in signing up.
MS provides an operating system. Fine. MS provides technology for the internet. Reasonable... better than loose products like in the 3.x days. (trumpet winsock etc..). MS providing security. Bad. Given their trackrecord it would be an outright disaster. MS providing content (MSN). Evil. I want to be able to view any kind of content. Not MS controlled. Who is to say that when MS gets a big stranglehold on the Net they won't start censoring content provided by others. If MS doesn't want people to find out about bugs they just block the sites that provide such information.
Basicly MS tries to not only control the Internet on a technologie side. They can (and most likeliy will) also try to control the content. Power corrupts.. whatever kind of power it is.
And when i have almost no control on which provider or technology i want...
Joe Sixpack will probably just click on the yes button, not knowing they give away their freedom and privacy.
Off course this could be nice. Let's think about it. In a few years it is very likely we run out of fossile fuel to use in our powerplants.
An array of solar power sattelites could solve alot of problems. Not only in the remote area's. What to think of the dense population area's where there is not enough place for several acres of solararray's?
The possibility of miss targeting a beam could off course be bad. But the only other solution we would have is to cut back on our powerconsumption which is likely only to increase in the next eons...
If we could use these space based arrays to power both space and earth powerplants we would indeed have an abundance of power.
The only real drawback would be: Who will be maintaining these things..? corporations will most likely be too money hungry and governments would probably be too power hungry.. a consortium could be the answer but again.. power trips would be the problem there as well.
As long as people are involved there will be advantages and disadvantages for any kind of solution.
Hmmm.. lighter cars... hah.. then i hope they find a way to turn off wind as well.. otherwise you'll be blown away with a breeze...
Lighter cars are more fuell efficient but are also more instable than a heavy car. I have had different cars and believe me... when it's hard weather out there i'd rather have a heavy car then a lighter one...
Jeez... you would think people would like to ask different kind of questions. I mean, Linus told over and over again he does not look at the "competition" yet the same questions are coming up.
Why the question about RMS calling Linux GNU/Linux? Is this *really* an issue?
Linus sounded tired probably because he thought:"Oh no.. another list of trivial questions"
At this moment there is so little to tell about the Linux kernel. Why bother Linus and other developers with this?
I have contemplated for a time.. trying to figure out what the implications of laws like this would have for non-US citizens. Currently lot's of software/code stems from US based people.
Can someone please enlighten me as to what this law and others like it would mean for me in the Netherlands?
I would be happy to join your (and mine btw) cause but since i am not represented in the US in any way i can't do alot of things i'm afraid.
This commission did not make the laws. they just investigate if the laws are truelly followed.
This is by the way not a criminal thing but an economical thing. Thus a judge has very little to say in this. A judge can only weigh evidence pro and contra. And from what i have learned over the years from everything concerning MS it will be more contra than pro MS.
And how are judges in the US independent from the government? Please do not look at what they should be but at what they are...
Microsoft does not constitute to our countries as large as it does to the US. Scrambling out the EU is going to hurt MS more than the proposed fine.
And provincial? Myopic? Last time i checked we were not a province of the US nor was Russia (Dmitry's homeland)... Please.. leave your backhoe opinions at home when you try to communicate with others.. get educated..
This war will be neither. I'll wage that small teams of highly trained commando's will be used instead of large forces like in 'nam. America can and will not be trapped in another situation like that.
Besides.. this time they are after a terrorist and it's hosts not an entire country. And of course... it will not be the US alone. Don't forget that allmost half the entire world is standing behind the US. Off course.. if it takes too long support will weaken with the day...
In the end nothing will have changed though. Bin Laden will just be replaced by someone smarter. Smarter because he knows what he can expect. More intelligent because he will probably use more sophisticated means, not nescesarily technologically sophisticated but sophisticated nonetheless.
All our technology in spite we will never be able to root out all terrorism. Whatever kind of goggles we use...
At least it will still take a while for this case to finish. In the mean time the current economy can strenghten again and the general feeling will be more altruistic.
MicroSoft lost this case but there are of course more to be fought. Let's see those before we begin whining.
Anyway. If MicroSoft continues to put out products as they do now they will themselves destroy what they created. Look at the last couple of weeks. All the bad press sure rings a few alarmbells over there. Gartner who has been very lenient (not pro but not contra as well) towards MS are now actively advising to drop MS products in the internet arena.
No... i'm not afraid of the future. MicroSoft will get what it deserves.. whatever it deserves.
If you actually read the page you would have noticed that they got government approval for the digging and the cabling.. the connection to the Inet and Lan is being done through a company so they have no problems whatsoever.
If you walk the proper channels you can get alot of things done....
This is an exsisting community.. it would be more difficult to get your neighbours along in this kind of adventure then it would be to inhabit the "special purpose" houses with people who would want this.
Imagine.. they had to convince 60 people to invest in this project, get them to take extra mortgages on their houses etc.. what if indeed only 40% of their neighbours would have been interested? The costs would be far higher than those US$2000 max they had now.
The American people who pay through taxes do not like to see people killed in a project as Spacetravel. After the Challenger accident there was even a cutback in fundings..
The costs for spacetravel and asociated research is FAR more than that for Airliners, Bus, Truck and Trains... there is no way they can keep doing the nescesary reasearch if the only income is private funding.
The current funding comes from commercial payload (satelites) and government funding. What they have to do is to find a balance between those... perhaps more commercial flights is the answer. Besides. The ISS is not a commercial project yet it does take most of NASA's budget.
Anyway.. which BIG companies would be interested in space exploration? It does not see any revenue from it so why invest? The only thing they do see revenue of is putting more satelites in space.. as if we need more junk flying around there..
NASA needs private funding for private projects and government funding for space exploration and research... that's the only combination which will work.. not one or the other... BOTH.
WHOAH.. DAMN.... HOLD THE PRESS.... I should have searched more thoroughly... it seems that FastTrack (Located at www.fasttrack.nu) is indeed partly dutch...
According to the article FastTrack is supposed to be in the Netherlands... It definitely is not. Although there is a site called FastTrack.NL it has nothing to do with the software used by Grokster, Kazaa and Morpheus.
According to the whois info it is a Chattsworth CA based company.
http://www.whois.net/search.cgi2?str=fasttrack&p in c=+next+%3E%3E&last_str=fasttrack&page=0
But the flip side is the terrorists have also achieved that NO-ONE trusts the internet.. thus creating another problem.. remember.. terrorists are not dependend on tech.. WE ARE!
The whole issue with ECHELON showed that bussiness use of the internet is depending on strong security and encryption.. giving the keys over to the US government isn't quite safe.. (since echelon allready is US government owned)...
So... who would benefit most from carnivore and anti encrytion laws? Not us... only the government...
Who would lose most from carnivore and anti encrytion laws? Not terrorists.... just us and international bussiness...
I understand this is a very delicate subject but is it important for us to lose our rights as opposed to gain security? And what kind of security will we gain? At this very moment it is a very hot topic in the light of sept 11th but how will we look upon these issues in say 2 years from now?
Ha... in France they caught a Homing pigeon with a note in arabic... how will the FBI try to intercept those? Using trained hawks or eagles?
Say that i was a terrorist... i would think twice before using e-mail or other tech to convey messages.. especially now i know they use this privacy invading crap....
As far as i see it this kind of technology is trivial.... Dr. Mann states in his article that he can grant or take away access to directly write to his retina...
The technology can be entirely personal.. besides if you don't want the tech don't wear/use it.
Please.... it were not 6.700 Americans but 6.700 Americans AND other nationalities (there were several hundreds of people working in the WTC that were NOT american)
It was not Michael that used these words. It was the person submitting the story. The word "nifty" i did not see...
Should/. withhold a story because someone is using a sense of levity in his introduction even if the story in itself is worthwhile?
So.. it will try to predict weather around the globe for years... uhuh.. sure...
Does it take into account unforseen disasters that will change the nescesary variables.. for instance vulcanic eruptions or global warming which is not predictable at all.
I would like to know what they do about these things so they can really predict things...
The article also states that the supercomputer can and probably will be used for all kinds of different modelling/simulations.
It also says that most software is probably flawed for now but it won't be for long i guess..
Will it be possible to open this baby for all kind of researchers all over the world instead of only a few japanese research groups?
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Perhaps it would be better if common sense would be applied in law...
Why should we be glad for this ruling ? It does not further our cause in free speech.. you can't explain things like Sklyarov did but you can evengalize nazi dogma's.. which one is worse for our youth, our FREE world?
This ruling is one of the many things that show us there is a gap between common sense and the law.
More and more i am becoming to see the US government as a subsidiary from a company.
Presidents are even campaigning with money donated by companies but yet people still believe they are doing things for the good of all... the companies don't donate large sums of money if the weren't sure they would gain anything..
Same with the law... Now Microsoft (which, through it's c*o's, donated large sums to the election fund of GWB)has been allowed to make a deal and Yahoo can go through with auctioning rejectable material. But if they convict Sklyarov
it is only because of one reason.. CORPORATE GREED!
Isn't it time that lawmaking should be done with common sense instead of money? Lobbying used to be a side thing people with similar interests did.. today you can hire a professional lobyist whether he or she has the same interests or not.. it has become an industry on it's own.. perhaps those who make laws should be made to publicize their agenda's and bookkeeping? Not just to a few but to all who want's to..
Then maybe we see common sense returning to our laws..
BTW.. this is not applicable to the US only.. it is the same for europeans as well..
Damn.. if it only had a 5.1 audio output i could build myself a nice DIY dvd player. Easy to upgrade (software). Of course it would have to run Linux because i don't want bsod's on my screen...
I wouldn't mind Microsoft resembling AOL. It's their right to try and do so. But the big difference with AOL is that with AOL i at least have a choice in signing up.
MS provides an operating system. Fine. MS provides technology for the internet. Reasonable... better than loose products like in the 3.x days. (trumpet winsock etc..). MS providing security. Bad. Given their trackrecord it would be an outright disaster. MS providing content (MSN). Evil. I want to be able to view any kind of content. Not MS controlled. Who is to say that when MS gets a big stranglehold on the Net they won't start censoring content provided by others. If MS doesn't want people to find out about bugs they just block the sites that provide such information.
Basicly MS tries to not only control the Internet on a technologie side. They can (and most likeliy will) also try to control the content. Power corrupts.. whatever kind of power it is.
And when i have almost no control on which provider or technology i want...
Joe Sixpack will probably just click on the yes button, not knowing they give away their freedom and privacy.
Off course this could be nice. Let's think about it. In a few years it is very likely we run out of fossile fuel to use in our powerplants.
An array of solar power sattelites could solve alot of problems. Not only in the remote area's. What to think of the dense population area's where there is not enough place for several acres of solararray's?
The possibility of miss targeting a beam could off course be bad. But the only other solution we would have is to cut back on our powerconsumption which is likely only to increase in the next eons...
If we could use these space based arrays to power both space and earth powerplants we would indeed have an abundance of power.
The only real drawback would be: Who will be maintaining these things..? corporations will most likely be too money hungry and governments would probably be too power hungry.. a consortium could be the answer but again.. power trips would be the problem there as well.
As long as people are involved there will be advantages and disadvantages for any kind of solution.
Hmmm.. lighter cars... hah.. then i hope they find a way to turn off wind as well.. otherwise you'll be blown away with a breeze...
Lighter cars are more fuell efficient but are also more instable than a heavy car. I have had different cars and believe me... when it's hard weather out there i'd rather have a heavy car then a lighter one...
In the wake af the ATA... could it be they want to loose a division which would not be profitable if the ATA falls through?
The use of uncontrolled encryption would be illegal and who would by the controlled versions?
Jeez... you would think people would like to ask different kind of questions. I mean, Linus told over and over again he does not look at the "competition" yet the same questions are coming up.
Why the question about RMS calling Linux GNU/Linux? Is this *really* an issue?
Linus sounded tired probably because he thought:"Oh no.. another list of trivial questions"
At this moment there is so little to tell about the Linux kernel. Why bother Linus and other developers with this?
I have contemplated for a time.. trying to figure out what the implications of laws like this would have for non-US citizens. Currently lot's of software/code stems from US based people.
Can someone please enlighten me as to what this law and others like it would mean for me in the Netherlands?
I would be happy to join your (and mine btw) cause but since i am not represented in the US in any way i can't do alot of things i'm afraid.
This commission did not make the laws. they just investigate if the laws are truelly followed.
This is by the way not a criminal thing but an economical thing. Thus a judge has very little to say in this. A judge can only weigh evidence pro and contra. And from what i have learned over the years from everything concerning MS it will be more contra than pro MS.
And how are judges in the US independent from the government? Please do not look at what they should be but at what they are...
Microsoft does not constitute to our countries as large as it does to the US. Scrambling out the EU is going to hurt MS more than the proposed fine.
And provincial? Myopic? Last time i checked we were not a province of the US nor was Russia (Dmitry's homeland)... Please.. leave your backhoe opinions at home when you try to communicate with others.. get educated..
This war will be neither. I'll wage that small teams of highly trained commando's will be used instead of large forces like in 'nam. America can and will not be trapped in another situation like that.
Besides.. this time they are after a terrorist and it's hosts not an entire country. And of course... it will not be the US alone. Don't forget that allmost half the entire world is standing behind the US. Off course.. if it takes too long support will weaken with the day...
In the end nothing will have changed though. Bin Laden will just be replaced by someone smarter. Smarter because he knows what he can expect. More intelligent because he will probably use more sophisticated means, not nescesarily technologically sophisticated but sophisticated nonetheless.
All our technology in spite we will never be able to root out all terrorism. Whatever kind of goggles we use...
At least it will still take a while for this case to finish. In the mean time the current economy can strenghten again and the general feeling will be more altruistic.
MicroSoft lost this case but there are of course more to be fought. Let's see those before we begin whining.
Anyway. If MicroSoft continues to put out products as they do now they will themselves destroy what they created. Look at the last couple of weeks. All the bad press sure rings a few alarmbells over there. Gartner who has been very lenient (not pro but not contra as well) towards MS are now actively advising to drop MS products in the internet arena.
No... i'm not afraid of the future. MicroSoft will get what it deserves.. whatever it deserves.
I would like to see Loki create new games instead of porting older windows based games to Linux.
Let the porting to be done by the original creators... give them some incentive to do their own ports.
Why not try to create that one blockbuster we need ? The people at Loki should be inventive enough. At least they had alot of examples of great games.
If you actually read the page you would have noticed that they got government approval for the digging and the cabling.. the connection to the Inet and Lan is being done through a company so they have no problems whatsoever.
If you walk the proper channels you can get alot of things done....
This is an exsisting community.. it would be more difficult to get your neighbours along in this kind of adventure then it would be to inhabit the "special purpose" houses with people who would want this.
Imagine.. they had to convince 60 people to invest in this project, get them to take extra mortgages on their houses etc.. what if indeed only 40% of their neighbours would have been interested? The costs would be far higher than those US$2000 max they had now.
Hmmm.... the problem NASA faces is this:
The American people who pay through taxes do not like to see people killed in a project as Spacetravel. After the Challenger accident there was even a cutback in fundings..
The costs for spacetravel and asociated research is FAR more than that for Airliners, Bus, Truck and Trains... there is no way they can keep doing the nescesary reasearch if the only income is private funding.
The current funding comes from commercial payload (satelites) and government funding. What they have to do is to find a balance between those... perhaps more commercial flights is the answer. Besides. The ISS is not a commercial project yet it does take most of NASA's budget.
Anyway.. which BIG companies would be interested in space exploration? It does not see any revenue from it so why invest? The only thing they do see revenue of is putting more satelites in space.. as if we need more junk flying around there..
NASA needs private funding for private projects and government funding for space exploration and research... that's the only combination which will work.. not one or the other... BOTH.
WHOAH.. DAMN.... HOLD THE PRESS.... I should have searched more thoroughly... it seems that FastTrack (Located at www.fasttrack.nu) is indeed partly dutch...
http://www.fasttrack.nu/index_int.html
Sorry for the misinformation....
FastTrack, a Netherlands-based company
p in c=+next+%3E%3E&last_str=fasttrack&page=0
According to the article FastTrack is supposed to be in the Netherlands... It definitely is not. Although there is a site called FastTrack.NL it has nothing to do with the software used by Grokster, Kazaa and Morpheus.
According to the whois info it is a Chattsworth CA based company.
http://www.whois.net/search.cgi2?str=fasttrack&
Look at entry #40.
But the flip side is the terrorists have also achieved that NO-ONE trusts the internet.. thus creating another problem.. remember.. terrorists are not dependend on tech.. WE ARE!
The whole issue with ECHELON showed that bussiness use of the internet is depending on strong security and encryption.. giving the keys over to the US government isn't quite safe.. (since echelon allready is US government owned)...
So... who would benefit most from carnivore and anti encrytion laws? Not us... only the government...
Who would lose most from carnivore and anti encrytion laws? Not terrorists.... just us and international bussiness...
I understand this is a very delicate subject but is it important for us to lose our rights as opposed to gain security? And what kind of security will we gain? At this very moment it is a very hot topic in the light of sept 11th but how will we look upon these issues in say 2 years from now?
What are we to gain at all?
Ha... in France they caught a Homing pigeon with a note in arabic... how will the FBI try to intercept those? Using trained hawks or eagles?
Say that i was a terrorist... i would think twice before using e-mail or other tech to convey messages.. especially now i know they use this privacy invading crap....
As far as i see it this kind of technology is trivial.... Dr. Mann states in his article that he can grant or take away access to directly write to his retina...
The technology can be entirely personal.. besides if you don't want the tech don't wear/use it.
Just my 2c
Please.... it were not 6.700 Americans but 6.700 Americans AND other nationalities (there were several hundreds of people working in the WTC that were NOT american)
/. withhold a story because someone is using a sense of levity in his introduction even if the story in itself is worthwhile?
It was not Michael that used these words. It was the person submitting the story. The word "nifty" i did not see...
Should
"We'll be able to squeeze 1,000 years of weather into three days of computing,"
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The above qoute is out of the "Far Eastern Economic Review" and is spoken out by one of the concerned scientists... nothing to do with
Please READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE COMMENTING!
Read the article please...
It says there at the first paragraph that it will be used to "bring precise weather and global-warming predictions".
So.. it will try to predict weather around the globe for years... uhuh.. sure...
Does it take into account unforseen disasters that will change the nescesary variables.. for instance vulcanic eruptions or global warming which is not predictable at all.
I would like to know what they do about these things so they can really predict things...
The article also states that the supercomputer can and probably will be used for all kinds of different modelling/simulations.
It also says that most software is probably flawed for now but it won't be for long i guess..
Will it be possible to open this baby for all kind of researchers all over the world instead of only a few japanese research groups?