The summary and comments often focus on what Jake Edge said where in fact, Edge is summarising what Jacob Kaplan-Moss said at a conference. The merits of the points made during the presentation can be discussed on their own but there seems to be a lot of vitriol aimed at Edge that has no basis in either fact or logic. Aside from an inaccurate summary, it's also sad to note that slashdot used a "subscriber link" feature which was meant to be used by a paid subscriber to share an article with a small number of people until it was free a week later. The feature was not intended for sharing with the entire audience of slashdot. That is just poor form.
The guy has balls and he'll make a stand against what he believes in no matter how it looks. Sure, the tinfoil hat doesn't actually work, but it's a visible symbol that cannot be ignored. Without people like him making a visible protest on a forum that so many high-level people will notice, protests against tracking technologies are just pissing into the wind.
They have it, why not create a sourceforge like site for their own projects instead of using the good will of other open source companies?
Because then they would be forming the IBM-open-source community or growing a NIH complex. There is no point having the IBM Open Source Community and the Everybody Else Open Source Community.
Bear in mind that the IMF are only brought in when the country is seriously screwed with it's economy already. When they are "advising" the government, they will take whatever steps are necesssary to get the country back on track rather than falling further into financial ruin. They often will take sometimes drastic measures and it is expected it is going to be a tough 5 to 10 years for the countries population. At least in this case, taxing SMS messages, which already happens in a number of countries (I'm taxed 2.5c (Euro cent) per text message which is tax at 21%) . This issue is not one to get into a twist over.
I don't think the guy could be more wrong. True, geeks are not the most politically astute. The people they are up against have a lot of practice, a *lot*. The main problem is that geekdom in general does not have many spokespeople. When a geek is asked to prove something, he/she/it will produce emperical data to show why they are better with graphs or demonstrations. Unfortunetly, what is needed in the political arena is rhetoric from someone who looks like they know what they are talking about and that requires an articulate, socialable and well dressed individual.
It sounds shallow but it's true. Lets face it, if you walked into a bank for a loan and were faced with a scruffy man, you are not going to listen to his advice and it's the same with politics. They are not going to look let alone listen to many geeks because they present themselves badly.
Ultimatly, spokespeople will help better than code. Why? Because it's very easy to simply make what you do with code illegal with stiff penalties. Lets look at a few examples
Geek: Lets build strong encryption yoo hoo Law: Using strong encryption and not providing the private key is illegal. Penalty, 5 years Geek: ummm... this sucks
Geek: Lets build a peer to peer network for efficient distribution of files Law: Sharing copyrighted material is illegal. ISPs, you are oblidged to block the following ports Geek: haha, we're rotate the ports Law: We'll make it legal to DOS the Geeks computer Geek: umm.... this sucks
Geek: Lets demonstrate how copyright managment technology is flawed Law: DMCA, you are now shafted Geek: umm.... this sucks
And so on.... Geeks do need to continue posting their senators, but they also need to nominate people to speak in public in behalf of a group. A large number of people talking to a senator, or equivilant thereof (I'm not american, we don't have senators, we have TD's) at the same time is a rabble, not a political group
> I'm wondering why both VM's can't be included
> in a distro
This was discussed around about the time the new Page Replacement algorithm (Most of the VM remained the same) was introduced and thrown out the window rapidly. It would be a logical nightmare to have two VM's or even two versions of one subsection in there. You're not talking about two versions of a driver here or a subsystem easily switched out like the scheduler. The whole VM is a major piece of work and many of the arguements that have been flying around are only on one section of it, page replacement. Having two VM's in as a config item would turn the whole VM into a bloated mess of #defines and it's tricky enough to understand as it is. Worse, there are very few users that would know the difference between one page replacement policy and the next. Bad config decisions would make the system behave so badly that a propaganda machine wouldn't be needed to turn Linux into a laughing stock
> BTW, this kind of bashing between the high
> priests of Linux is not good
At the risk of been flame bait, thats utter balls. l-k is a list where the development of thekernel is discussed, not the super-friends club. Linus isn't God and neither is Rik, Alan, Marcelo or any of the names that are thrown around here like confetti. Around about the whole 2.4.10 mess, Rik had a serious point, his patches were been added inconsistently and to not argue this point because "the high priests" thought different would be sheer folly.
You're missing nothing. It is amazingly trivial. Most of the time to solve the puzzle was involved in reading the instructions. After that, it takes about 20 or 30 seconds.
Actually this is quiet handy. Windows always worked better with dodge memory than Linux did because Linux always tries to use as much memory as possible for caching where as Windows didn't.
It made it notorious for working with dodge memory, failing to boot half of the time. I've seen people blame Linux for bad hardward because it would work with Windows.
> Now I know I'm a newbie, but I can read
It's nice to see there is still people around who can say something like this. I am no genius when it comes to Linux but generally anything can be figured out. Many newbies I talk to can't seem to grasp that.
Nice to see an exception:)
I think the virtual community that Neal Stephenson illustrated in Snow Crash was pretty cool. Totally off the wall for current technology due to bandwidth and processing power restrictions but was definetly something worth working towards.
It would take too long to explain exactly what he described. Those who have read the book know what I mean. Those who haven't should get a copy of it
It's on their FAQ what is happening. XMMS doesn't take up that much memory at all. Every thread shows up as taking 5 megs giving a total of 30 megs or so. In reality, it's only using 5 because it's all shared.
I worked for a while on a VQF plugin and got it working most of the way (http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/projects/linux/vqfplugi n). I said I would do the rest - seeking and visualisations during the Christmas. I think I'll drop 4th year and try and win me a sound card instead:-) .
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The summary and comments often focus on what Jake Edge said where in fact, Edge is summarising what Jacob Kaplan-Moss said at a conference. The merits of the points made during the presentation can be discussed on their own but there seems to be a lot of vitriol aimed at Edge that has no basis in either fact or logic. Aside from an inaccurate summary, it's also sad to note that slashdot used a "subscriber link" feature which was meant to be used by a paid subscriber to share an article with a small number of people until it was free a week later. The feature was not intended for sharing with the entire audience of slashdot. That is just poor form.
The guy has balls and he'll make a stand against what he believes in no matter how it looks. Sure, the tinfoil hat doesn't actually work, but it's a visible symbol that cannot be ignored. Without people like him making a visible protest on a forum that so many high-level people will notice, protests against tracking technologies are just pissing into the wind.
Rock on Richard.
He'll be either emergency rescued or dead long before he gets the hot chocolate
They have it, why not create a sourceforge like site for their own projects instead of using the good will of other open source companies?
Because then they would be forming the IBM-open-source community or growing a NIH complex. There is no point having the IBM Open Source Community and the Everybody Else Open Source Community.
Am just waiting for the inevitable string of comments "I was a nerd before it was cool"
> I hope the discovery channel will do a special on copulating
> modules some day. I've seen module coupling but no copulation yet
Haven't you ever heard of sexy code? Is is meant to be taken literally, isn't it?
(typo corrected in the work in progress version)
Bear in mind that the IMF are only brought in when the country is seriously screwed with it's economy already. When they are "advising" the government, they will take whatever steps are necesssary to get the country back on track rather than falling further into financial ruin. They often will take sometimes drastic measures and it is expected it is going to be a tough 5 to 10 years for the countries population. At least in this case, taxing SMS messages, which already happens in a number of countries (I'm taxed 2.5c (Euro cent) per text message which is tax at 21%) . This issue is not one to get into a twist over.
I don't think the guy could be more wrong. True, geeks are not the most politically astute. The people they are up against have a lot of practice, a *lot*. The main problem is that geekdom in general does not have many spokespeople. When a geek is asked to prove something, he/she/it will produce emperical data to show why they are better with graphs or demonstrations. Unfortunetly, what is needed in the political arena is rhetoric from someone who looks like they know what they are talking about and that requires an articulate, socialable and well dressed individual.
It sounds shallow but it's true. Lets face it, if you walked into a bank for a loan and were faced with a scruffy man, you are not going to listen to his advice and it's the same with politics. They are not going to look let alone listen to many geeks because they present themselves badly.
Ultimatly, spokespeople will help better than code. Why? Because it's very easy to simply make what you do with code illegal with stiff penalties. Lets look at a few examples
Geek: Lets build strong encryption yoo hoo
Law: Using strong encryption and not providing the private key is illegal. Penalty, 5 years
Geek: ummm... this sucks
Geek: Lets build a peer to peer network for efficient distribution of files
Law: Sharing copyrighted material is illegal. ISPs, you are oblidged to block the following ports
Geek: haha, we're rotate the ports
Law: We'll make it legal to DOS the Geeks computer
Geek: umm.... this sucks
Geek: Lets demonstrate how copyright managment technology is flawed
Law: DMCA, you are now shafted
Geek: umm.... this sucks
And so on.... Geeks do need to continue posting their senators, but they also need to nominate people to speak in public in behalf of a group. A large number of people talking to a senator, or equivilant thereof (I'm not american, we don't have senators, we have TD's) at the same time is a rabble, not a political group
> I'm wondering why both VM's can't be included
> in a distro
This was discussed around about the time the new Page Replacement algorithm (Most of the VM remained the same) was introduced and thrown out the window rapidly. It would be a logical nightmare to have two VM's or even two versions of one subsection in there. You're not talking about two versions of a driver here or a subsystem easily switched out like the scheduler. The whole VM is a major piece of work and many of the arguements that have been flying around are only on one section of it, page replacement. Having two VM's in as a config item would turn the whole VM into a bloated mess of #defines and it's tricky enough to understand as it is. Worse, there are very few users that would know the difference between one page replacement policy and the next. Bad config decisions would make the system behave so badly that a propaganda machine wouldn't be needed to turn Linux into a laughing stock
> BTW, this kind of bashing between the high
> priests of Linux is not good
At the risk of been flame bait, thats utter balls. l-k is a list where the development of thekernel is discussed, not the super-friends club. Linus isn't God and neither is Rik, Alan, Marcelo or any of the names that are thrown around here like confetti. Around about the whole 2.4.10 mess, Rik had a serious point, his patches were been added inconsistently and to not argue this point because "the high priests" thought different would be sheer folly.
You're missing nothing. It is amazingly trivial. Most of the time to solve the puzzle was involved in reading the instructions. After that, it takes about 20 or 30 seconds.
Actually this is quiet handy. Windows always worked better with dodge memory than Linux did because Linux always tries to use as much memory as possible for caching where as Windows didn't.
It made it notorious for working with dodge memory, failing to boot half of the time. I've seen people blame Linux for bad hardward because it would work with Windows.
It's nice that Linux now could just go
*ARGH YOU HAVE CRAP MEMORY*
shrug it's shoulders and chug along anyway.
> Now I know I'm a newbie, but I can read It's nice to see there is still people around who can say something like this. I am no genius when it comes to Linux but generally anything can be figured out. Many newbies I talk to can't seem to grasp that. Nice to see an exception :)
I think the virtual community that Neal Stephenson illustrated in Snow Crash was pretty cool. Totally off the wall for current technology due to bandwidth and processing power restrictions but was definetly something worth working towards.
It would take too long to explain exactly what he described. Those who have read the book know what I mean. Those who haven't should get a copy of it
It's on their FAQ what is happening. XMMS doesn't take up that much memory at all. Every thread shows up as taking 5 megs giving a total of 30 megs or so. In reality, it's only using 5 because it's all shared.
I worked for a while on a VQF plugin and got it working most of the way (http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/projects/linux/vqfplugi n). I said I would do the rest - seeking and visualisations during the Christmas. I think I'll drop 4th year and try and win me a sound card instead :-) .
:-/
:-))))))))
then again.........
maybe I'll just submit it as it is
Vote me if you like VQF's