Actually, my last job was as a pricing analyst, and it was all about this topic. How to price differentiate while staying within the bounds of the law. Arguably this increases overall economic efficiency.
Felt kind of weird, however, trying to figure out how to wring every possible penny out of the small buyers but coming back, while at the same time keeping the national accounts in check with huge price reductions (50% or more). The 3rd factor is making sure that the little guys never knew about the big boy pricing, or at least never knew more than the fact that buying more could be a positive thing for their own price structure.
Keeping small guy prices high is easy. Keeping big guy prices low is easy. Keeping the both happy customers is not.
They just bought linksys, right? So wouldn't this take an increasingly interesting turn if it's Cisco violating the GPL instead of "just" Linksys. heh, go after the deep pockets:-)
You can get to theoretical stuff eventually as you guage community interest and expertise distribution. But the practical classes are the ones grandma and junior will find the most helpful. You'll get more potential teachers and students that way, and it will be easy to pass off the classes to other people if necessary.
Give them meaningful titles though. Don't title it "Excel 101". Title it "Using spreadsheets to make your life easier". People will come to classes in order to do things better, not to learn a specific app (well, most people at least). In the description, say "this uses iMovie, and we'll touch on moviemaker", but for the title, something like "making home movies that last forever".
Yes, people *do* want things instantly. For this reason, I don't use Mozilla. Call me lazy, hyperactive, or what have you, but IE launches on my machine, ready for me to type in a URL (I have about:blank as my homepage), in under a second.
With Mozilla (admittedly 1.3x, not 1.4), it takes between 3 and 5 seconds of looking at that orange Mozilla splash screen. Small thing? Absolutely. Does it stop me from using it? Absolutely.
I don't go to many sites which are pop-up heavy, so there's little downside to using IE, and little upside to using Moz, so I have little incentive to use it, even though it's on my quicklaunch bar next to IE.
My argument is that to the consumers, 64-bits *will* be free. AMD is making the chips, and if they want to move them into the main stream, they'll have to price them as such. So for most people, there will be between 0 and x% benefit (where x is a positive number), and the additional cost over a competing cpu will be close to 0.
So, my point isn't that a 64 bit machine will be needed frequently at all - I'm not concentrating on the "benefit" side. Instead, I'm saying that since AMD has stated it wants to compete on the general desktop with the P4 and successors with their 64-bit chips, they will have to be priced such that the "cost" side is negligible, if not 0.
Right now it's a bit difficult to asses which platform people prefer most because money is involved.
So what about china or korea where software piracy is at a 99% rate, or something in that vicinity. When Windows and Linux "cost" pretty much the same amount ($2 for Win vs. $0 for Linux), which does the population choose?
I'll admit right now, I'm just too friggin lazy to look it up myself.
The only time I've seen a successful migration from one platform to another was when Apple managed to migrate from 68K up to PowerPC, and that was only really possible because they controlled both the hardware and the software.
they were also successful because in part so many developers spent a lot of time making fat binaries that would run on either 68K or PPC platforms. The developers made things backwards and forwards compatible at the same time in one package.
1) 32-bit based. Run all your 32-bit apps on a 32-bit program. In 5 years, you get to look retro.
2) 32-64-bit hybrid. Run a 64-bit OS with a mix of 32 and 64 bit apps. Or all of one or the other. In 5 years, you get to look like a geek when you're running all the "old-skool" 32-bit programs that were never ported to 64-bit, and you're running them without an emulator! (you w00t 1337 dewd)
3) 64-bit only. Run a 64-bit OS with 64-bit apps only. In 5 years, look like everyone else;-)
Read the bug-reports forums they made for the beta toolkit, and you'll see that this was reported by someone else, and that one of the bioware guys said something like "acknowledged and corrected".
that's what the bugs forums are for. Or maybe the bioware guys will wade through/. comments to find bug reports...;-)
no link for you, but the other respondant is correct, AMD has publicly stated from the outset that the model rating is relative to the Tbird, not the P4.
Before you call someone full of it, do your research.
nice move. kinda like the price for the original apples.
And yes, of course I paid. I don't use linux, and am a MS guy, myself, so I'm used to paying for things. Hello, you need money? Have a large sum of cash. I get used to it.
... Do Linux companies go out and market to the kids? Do they get them hooked early? Windows and MacOS do. Apple's biggest acheivement is maintaining such a high % of education sales. After a kid grows up knowing so much about Windows, learning linux is a big hassle.
I grew up on on MacOS, and for the most part, you might as well consider it windows for all the differences between it and Linux. I have now changed to be exclusively a Windows user. I am "the network guy" at my company. I want to bring our website in house, and have bought into the hype that linux would be a much better choice than Win2k.
Now I'm at an impasse. How much would I have to re-learn on the linux side in order to do this. I'll have to know how to set up a box that is hardware compatible. I'll have to choose a distro. I'll have to learn a shell and its commands. I'll want to install a windows manager. I'll have to learn where to go for help, and what do do in the event of hardware failure. I'll have to learn apache for the webserving. I'll have to learn how to assign permissions for visitors...
That's a lot of work, or at least it seems that way to me, when I know how to do all of these things, with relative proficiency, with Win2k. Maybe with some effort I could get the linux box running everything, but I'd be very uncomfortable, worrying about a failure of some sort, and having the company website down while I try to muddle through some fixes that would probably take me 1/10th of the time on a windows box.
You want the reason I don't think open source is viable? It's because the companies and individuals backing it aren't being the drug dealers. They don't have gobs of money for advertising and marketting to get people hooked on it. They're not, as others have pointed out, spending the priority money on the graphics artists, sound technicians, and UI specialists.
Technical acheivement is all well and good, but without the marketting to get people, especially the kids, comfortable with it, it's a big hassle.
you mean like being the first to use the Si28 process (pure "normal" Silicon isotopes) in order to aid cooling and the like on chips?
yeah, I guess AMD isn't going that direction.
Or like the backwards compatable and full-speed nature of the 32-bit compatability of the hammer series?
yeah, AMD is pretty much slacking all around and never do anything right and they suck and they're just copy-cats and they couldn't speed up processors fast enough and they're always behind intel and everything amd is bad...
re: Shorting a stock you have INFINITE liability yet the ability to make at most 100% back
you actually have infinite abilities either way (well, not infinite, but close). If I have my sell price at $10, and then end up buying the stock at 5 cents, then I've just realize a 10,000% return. a far cry from "just" a 100% return.
And, about the ability to lose money... If it goes from $10 to $1000... Then if I shorted 1 share's worth, then I invested $1000, and lost $990. So, I've lost 99% of my investment.
%'s can be tricky...
Well, there you have it, the usual elitest whining from the win and linux drones. yes, linux users can be drones also - use of an open-source, self-tweaked operating system does not make you a full person.
I would have thought that people could respect apple for making an advance in their OS, but I guess not, seeing as how apple is just now catching up with a lot of the plumbing that linux has had for a long time. Maybe the whiners just feel a bit threatened by the fact that there is now an OS out there that is truly competitve with *n*x technologically.
Oh, and the fact that you can actually work with the OS, and quite a few apps within 15 minutes of starting the install must be a point of criticism/insecurity for the LinWinWiners also. Stability and power for the masses, at least those who pay apple's price premium.
and yes, I'm posting this from my windows machine, not a mac.
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why buy HL2 to play the new CS when the new CS has at least as many cheats as the old one?).
:-)
because at least there aren't any cheesy det-pak rushes and nerfed summoners!
(j/k - love the game)
Now don't you go getting any ideas...
Actually, my last job was as a pricing analyst, and it was all about this topic. How to price differentiate while staying within the bounds of the law. Arguably this increases overall economic efficiency.
Felt kind of weird, however, trying to figure out how to wring every possible penny out of the small buyers but coming back, while at the same time keeping the national accounts in check with huge price reductions (50% or more). The 3rd factor is making sure that the little guys never knew about the big boy pricing, or at least never knew more than the fact that buying more could be a positive thing for their own price structure.
Keeping small guy prices high is easy.
Keeping big guy prices low is easy.
Keeping the both happy customers is not.
They just bought linksys, right? So wouldn't this take an increasingly interesting turn if it's Cisco violating the GPL instead of "just" Linksys. heh, go after the deep pockets :-)
You can get to theoretical stuff eventually as you guage community interest and expertise distribution. But the practical classes are the ones grandma and junior will find the most helpful. You'll get more potential teachers and students that way, and it will be easy to pass off the classes to other people if necessary.
Give them meaningful titles though. Don't title it "Excel 101". Title it "Using spreadsheets to make your life easier". People will come to classes in order to do things better, not to learn a specific app (well, most people at least). In the description, say "this uses iMovie, and we'll touch on moviemaker", but for the title, something like "making home movies that last forever".
good luck with your project!
now that's a funny post. wish I had mod points (which you don't need since it's already a +5), but still...
Yes, people *do* want things instantly. For this reason, I don't use Mozilla. Call me lazy, hyperactive, or what have you, but IE launches on my machine, ready for me to type in a URL (I have about:blank as my homepage), in under a second.
With Mozilla (admittedly 1.3x, not 1.4), it takes between 3 and 5 seconds of looking at that orange Mozilla splash screen. Small thing? Absolutely. Does it stop me from using it? Absolutely.
I don't go to many sites which are pop-up heavy, so there's little downside to using IE, and little upside to using Moz, so I have little incentive to use it, even though it's on my quicklaunch bar next to IE.
neye
My argument is that to the consumers, 64-bits *will* be free. AMD is making the chips, and if they want to move them into the main stream, they'll have to price them as such. So for most people, there will be between 0 and x% benefit (where x is a positive number), and the additional cost over a competing cpu will be close to 0.
So, my point isn't that a 64 bit machine will be needed frequently at all - I'm not concentrating on the "benefit" side. Instead, I'm saying that since AMD has stated it wants to compete on the general desktop with the P4 and successors with their 64-bit chips, they will have to be priced such that the "cost" side is negligible, if not 0.
neye
2. Doubling the size of integer registers is non-trivial in terms of transistor count, die space, and power consumption.
what do you consider non-trivial v. trivial?
3. You can do 64-bit integer math on existing hardware at a good clip. It takes two instructions to do an add instead of one.
And what about disassembling the original values and re-assembling results. Is that just "free" in terms of instructions? Nope.
Conclusion: The benefits of moving from 32 to 64 bit integer operations are not worth the cost.
So, without seeing any benchmarks, or having (I'm guessing) an intimate knowledge of this all, you already know:
a) the actual cost
b) the actual benefits
c) that the preferences for all users are such that the combination of a and b are not financially feasible.
I'll take one of the 32-bit crystal balls that you have, I guess. would make life easier for me, I'll admit.
neye
why is this modded as a troll post? It's a legitimate analogy.
;-)
Hmmm makes me think: "Have you metamoderated today?"
neye
Right now it's a bit difficult to asses which platform people prefer most because money is involved.
So what about china or korea where software piracy is at a 99% rate, or something in that vicinity. When Windows and Linux "cost" pretty much the same amount ($2 for Win vs. $0 for Linux), which does the population choose?
I'll admit right now, I'm just too friggin lazy to look it up myself.
The only time I've seen a successful migration from one platform to another was when Apple managed to migrate from 68K up to PowerPC, and that was only really possible because they controlled both the hardware and the software.
they were also successful because in part so many developers spent a lot of time making fat binaries that would run on either 68K or PPC platforms. The developers made things backwards and forwards compatible at the same time in one package.
neye
The Hammers have three modes of operation:
;-)
1) 32-bit based. Run all your 32-bit apps on a 32-bit program. In 5 years, you get to look retro.
2) 32-64-bit hybrid. Run a 64-bit OS with a mix of 32 and 64 bit apps. Or all of one or the other. In 5 years, you get to look like a geek when you're running all the "old-skool" 32-bit programs that were never ported to 64-bit, and you're running them without an emulator! (you w00t 1337 dewd)
3) 64-bit only. Run a 64-bit OS with 64-bit apps only. In 5 years, look like everyone else
neye
Read the bug-reports forums they made for the beta toolkit, and you'll see that this was reported by someone else, and that one of the bioware guys said something like "acknowledged and corrected".
/. comments to find bug reports... ;-)
that's what the bugs forums are for. Or maybe the bioware guys will wade through
neye
no link for you, but the other respondant is correct, AMD has publicly stated from the outset that the model rating is relative to the Tbird, not the P4.
Before you call someone full of it, do your research.
They listed it as item # 666
nice move. kinda like the price for the original apples.
And yes, of course I paid. I don't use linux, and am a MS guy, myself, so I'm used to paying for things. Hello, you need money? Have a large sum of cash. I get used to it.
... Do Linux companies go out and market to the kids? Do they get them hooked early? Windows and MacOS do. Apple's biggest acheivement is maintaining such a high % of education sales. After a kid grows up knowing so much about Windows, learning linux is a big hassle.
I grew up on on MacOS, and for the most part, you might as well consider it windows for all the differences between it and Linux. I have now changed to be exclusively a Windows user. I am "the network guy" at my company. I want to bring our website in house, and have bought into the hype that linux would be a much better choice than Win2k.
Now I'm at an impasse. How much would I have to re-learn on the linux side in order to do this. I'll have to know how to set up a box that is hardware compatible. I'll have to choose a distro. I'll have to learn a shell and its commands. I'll want to install a windows manager. I'll have to learn where to go for help, and what do do in the event of hardware failure. I'll have to learn apache for the webserving. I'll have to learn how to assign permissions for visitors...
That's a lot of work, or at least it seems that way to me, when I know how to do all of these things, with relative proficiency, with Win2k. Maybe with some effort I could get the linux box running everything, but I'd be very uncomfortable, worrying about a failure of some sort, and having the company website down while I try to muddle through some fixes that would probably take me 1/10th of the time on a windows box.
You want the reason I don't think open source is viable? It's because the companies and individuals backing it aren't being the drug dealers. They don't have gobs of money for advertising and marketting to get people hooked on it. They're not, as others have pointed out, spending the priority money on the graphics artists, sound technicians, and UI specialists.
Technical acheivement is all well and good, but without the marketting to get people, especially the kids, comfortable with it, it's a big hassle.
yeah, I guess AMD isn't going that direction.
Or like the backwards compatable and full-speed nature of the 32-bit compatability of the hammer series?
yeah, AMD is pretty much slacking all around and never do anything right and they suck and they're just copy-cats and they couldn't speed up processors fast enough and they're always behind intel and everything amd is bad...
re: Shorting a stock you have INFINITE liability yet the ability to make at most 100% back you actually have infinite abilities either way (well, not infinite, but close). If I have my sell price at $10, and then end up buying the stock at 5 cents, then I've just realize a 10,000% return. a far cry from "just" a 100% return. And, about the ability to lose money... If it goes from $10 to $1000... Then if I shorted 1 share's worth, then I invested $1000, and lost $990. So, I've lost 99% of my investment. %'s can be tricky...
Well, there you have it, the usual elitest whining from the win and linux drones. yes, linux users can be drones also - use of an open-source, self-tweaked operating system does not make you a full person. I would have thought that people could respect apple for making an advance in their OS, but I guess not, seeing as how apple is just now catching up with a lot of the plumbing that linux has had for a long time. Maybe the whiners just feel a bit threatened by the fact that there is now an OS out there that is truly competitve with *n*x technologically. Oh, and the fact that you can actually work with the OS, and quite a few apps within 15 minutes of starting the install must be a point of criticism/insecurity for the LinWinWiners also. Stability and power for the masses, at least those who pay apple's price premium. and yes, I'm posting this from my windows machine, not a mac.