I doubt that, the BSD source code controversy was resolved, and you'd have gotten FreeBSD and of course minix in the OSS "market".
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Because corporations do strive to take control of everything - it isn't fantasy man, its happening all the time. It isn't this bad yet but if you look at the size/power of corps in the last 50 years, you'll see that writers are only writing in the direction that society in the US and UK is moving.
The bottom line is that Microsoft is taking a page from Coke, and they are going to lose out bigtime in doing so, because their math is voodoo math, and they charge exorbitant license fees, so their cost of usage will always be much much higher than Open Source, no matter which spindoctor tries to make it look and taste differently than it is.
HA! Try telling my BOSS that.
--- seriously though, Microsoft is very expensive upfront, but what they do have going for them, and this will keep them around, is there market share and how many "experts" they are able to pump out.
The overall tone of this event makes it fairly clear as to Microsoft's anti-Linux strategy.
1.Claim that linux isn't free.
2.Pretend that Shared source is the same as Open Source
3.Make a big deal about the migration costs of moving to Linux
4.Use the forrester report to claim that Linux is insecure
5.Belittle the quality of the toolset available on Linux
Point 1 and 2 I won't dignify with a reply.
On Point 3 - Yes, there are migration costs... but that is a dumb argument. There is ALWAYS a migration cost when upgrading (horse and buggy to car - airtravel - spacetravel etc)
4. Yes, linux can be insecure ---- so can windows and anything else (except OpenBSD!!:P)
5. On this point, I dont' care who says what - Microsoft has better (and I mean this in all respects) tools available for Rapid development.
This is a little off topic, but this post reminded me of an "online book" on kuro5hin about 'living forever' because of human intervention (indirectly even). There was a post on slashdot awhile back about it (here - note: I *HATE* the slashdot old-story search)
If SCO would sue... everyone... without being open source, then how difficult would it be for Sun/Solaris to make claims that Code / IP was stolen? I'm just sayin...
As the message says, he wasn't imprisoned for spamming but:
Carmack was found guilty in April by a jury in Erie County, New York, on 14 counts, including charges that he stole the identity of two Buffalo-area residents, which he then used to send out more than 800 million spam messages, the attorney general's office said.
Also, It's damned good that earthlink cooperated - i wonder how many ISPs just wouldn't want to deal with it thus letting spammers get by.
And Finally - just to quote my favorite part:
The jail sentence is the maximum allowed under the law, due to Carmack's prior felony conviction for fraud in a federal case involving fake money orders, McCarthy said.
*finally* the system is working in favor of the little (annoyed) man.
I disagree with that line of thinking. There is risk of very serious harm done by this technology - with the irresponsibility of some tech companies, i can see why insurance companies are concerned. Its like an insurance company insuring a lab who's working on a super virus... that is inherently more risky than a company working on building picture frames... Or at least if something *DOES* happen, it'll be much worse.
I completely understand what are you are saying, but I also know that this will never happen, because there are people breaking new ground with new technology and there is no way in hell they are going to give that away after (potentially) months or years of hard work. For what? to release it as an open standard and not get paid for it? As you said - nobody is doing that, and nobody because people want their cut. If you came up with an insanely good FS, that everyone wanted to use and it could set you up for life, would you release it open standard or would you sell it to MS for $25,000,000?
Dude, it is the BIOS that requests those things upon boot, not Windows (or linux or whatever). So if they want to bitch, they need to bitch at the BIOS manufacturer for not having an option to disable 'required keyboard for boot' option, that isn't microsoft's fault, although we love to blame them for everything.
Maybe so, but you cannot say he's done no good, he made nearly the entire world's desktop consistent. Otherwise we'd have a lot of good (idea) software and a lot of different platforms, he simply copies it and brings it to one platform - which has got to be worth something!
Couple of things,
Why is the subpoena just now being posted when it is dated from Nov. 5 2003?
(keep in mind, IANAL) Basically the document is saying it wants everything relating to communications between FSF and IBM relating to UNIX, Aix, Dynix, Linux and any other UNIX based OS.
Same for FSF and SCO.
Also, i find one of the definitions particularly interesting:
IE:
(2) The term "communication" shall mean any transmittal of information, whether oral or written, including correspondence, electronic mail and other Internet transmissions, web pages, Internet relay chat logs, facsimile transmissions, telecopies, recordings in any medium of oral communications, telephone and message logs, and notes or memoranda relating to written or oral communications.
In General, if you want info, RTFA. However for those of you who just want some links to check things out quickly:
Hereis a PDF that contains samble chapters of the book reviewed.
Also from the same site is the following text and links for those of you wanting "real world examples":
"Industrial Experience with SPARK (PDF 234kb)
Dr. Roderick Chapman, Praxis Critical Systems Limted. Presented at ACM SigAda 2000 conference.
This paper discusses three large, real-world projects (C130J, SHOLIS and the MULTOS CA) where SPARK has made a contribution to meeting stringent software engineering standards. "
Carmack has been seemingly a little disappointed with linux sales and such. So i found it interestin that they are gonna jam with a linux client anyway.
[carmack] "We are going to continue to support linux in future products, but unfortunately it doesn't look like a strong business case can be made for it. The mac version outsold the linux version by quite a bit, and even that didn't hit 5% of the windows sales. Mac versions are still valid business cases, because the support is way easier than on either windows or linux platforms, and the sales numbers amount to something noticeable.
There is no way that a linux box will hit the shelf at the same time and have the same price as a windows box, assuming the publisher is making a maximum effort for the windows box. If this is truly a gating factor, linux boxed games just won't succeed.
Loki wants to get away from making games "convertable" between platforms, to force linux players to buy the linux boxes. I have issues with this. Not making executable binaries available online sucks. I hate binary patches, and requiring either patches from different versions, or the installation of all previous patches. Just releasing a new executable is so much easier.
Our options from here are to move towards a hybrid CD and pay Loki for official support (which makes linux support look like an expense, rather than a benefit), make a hybrid CD but leave the linux version in an "unsupported" directory, or just make unsupported linux executables available online like we used to.
It is going to be quite some time before DOOM ships, so we can't say anything definitive at this point.
I will probably do the initial development work for DOOM on linux, but I'm not interested in tracking every change that goes on in the linux world. The initial work will probably be with the Nvidia driver, which already has all the features I need, then I will work with the Open Source mesa drivers to bring them up to par. "
This is computerized darwinism. The strong survives.
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and you sir, are an idiot. People like my mother or my sister cannot reasonably be expected to follow the security lists and the MS KB and patch their systems for every little thing that crops up. They are both on cable/broadband and getting scanned hundreds and hundres of times per hour by all kinds of garbage out there, and I am suppose to take the attutide "well, if they'd just learn their shit they wouldn't have this problem"? What a crock. I don't expect them to have armed guards around their house and yet they reasonably expect to not to get over run with thugs. And I don't expect them to be machanics and yet I expect their car to work. When it doesn't they see a specialist (Mechanic). Thats what we (computer people) are paid for. The primary difference is there is tons and tons of new viruses and malware and spyware created daily, and none of the antiviruses can really keep up. And sometimes the patches cant (as usually, the patch is around a long time before the exploit, but not always the case). So only if you think of things like the holocaust as darwinism/natural selection would you think of this as darwinsim/natural selection.
I live in North East Ohio and there is, on public access station, some tool named Rudy Rooster who basically plays porn on TV for 9 hours a week. He cuts out pictures from (presumably) playboy and plays music with filthy lyrics (with all the appropriate words that are censored when used as verbs) in the background. I do not want my two nephews (4 and 5) watching this garbage on TV if they get up on saturday and start flipping through the channels. That said, that is a *TV* problem, the janet jackson thing was a *TV* problem. My feeling is that if they are going to make something that sensors things that are inapprorpiate, they should make it for the TV. The V-Chip is a joke. After all is said and done, it is easy to sensor DVDs.
The problem with 'cd copy protection' is that you can simply record the output (port for headphones/speakers) of the audio device into a format (such as mp3) that you can share. And there is no way they can stop this method. Ok i'll give that it takes a little longer (the length of the song) - but the quality is exactly the same.
You know I seriously wonder if this would be a viable option for Computer chess programs (http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=25 ). It certainly is getting cheap to get massive hardware processing power.
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I doubt that, the BSD source code controversy was resolved, and you'd have gotten FreeBSD and of course minix in the OSS "market".
Because corporations do strive to take control of everything - it isn't fantasy man, its happening all the time. It isn't this bad yet but if you look at the size/power of corps in the last 50 years, you'll see that writers are only writing in the direction that society in the US and UK is moving.
"What are we then? Consumers" - Tyler Durden
The bottom line is that Microsoft is taking a page from Coke, and they are going to lose out bigtime in doing so, because their math is voodoo math, and they charge exorbitant license fees, so their cost of usage will always be much much higher than Open Source, no matter which spindoctor tries to make it look and taste differently than it is.
HA! Try telling my BOSS that. --- seriously though, Microsoft is very expensive upfront, but what they do have going for them, and this will keep them around, is there market share and how many "experts" they are able to pump out.
The overall tone of this event makes it fairly clear as to Microsoft's anti-Linux strategy.
:P)
1.Claim that linux isn't free.
2.Pretend that Shared source is the same as Open Source
3.Make a big deal about the migration costs of moving to Linux
4.Use the forrester report to claim that Linux is insecure
5.Belittle the quality of the toolset available on Linux
Point 1 and 2 I won't dignify with a reply.
On Point 3 - Yes, there are migration costs... but that is a dumb argument. There is ALWAYS a migration cost when upgrading (horse and buggy to car - airtravel - spacetravel etc)
4. Yes, linux can be insecure ---- so can windows and anything else (except OpenBSD!!
5. On this point, I dont' care who says what - Microsoft has better (and I mean this in all respects) tools available for Rapid development.
Windows XP handels Hyperthreading, so you can have 2 physical processors and 4 logical processor according to microsofts hyperthreading document.
I am so irritated I don't know what to say. Seriously, How can netgear expect people to trust them again, is there any way to repair their reputation?
Thats the lost city of R'lyeh...
This is a little off topic, but this post reminded me of an "online book" on kuro5hin about 'living forever' because of human intervention (indirectly even). There was a post on slashdot awhile back about it (here - note: I *HATE* the slashdot old-story search)
anyway, the online book is here
If SCO would sue ... everyone ... without being open source, then how difficult would it be for Sun/Solaris to make claims that Code / IP was stolen? I'm just sayin...
Its about time.
As the message says, he wasn't imprisoned for spamming but:
Carmack was found guilty in April by a jury in Erie County, New York, on 14 counts, including charges that he stole the identity of two Buffalo-area residents, which he then used to send out more than 800 million spam messages, the attorney general's office said.
Also, It's damned good that earthlink cooperated - i wonder how many ISPs just wouldn't want to deal with it thus letting spammers get by.
And Finally - just to quote my favorite part:
The jail sentence is the maximum allowed under the law , due to Carmack's prior felony conviction for fraud in a federal case involving fake money orders, McCarthy said.
*finally* the system is working in favor of the little (annoyed) man.
I disagree with that line of thinking. There is risk of very serious harm done by this technology - with the irresponsibility of some tech companies, i can see why insurance companies are concerned. Its like an insurance company insuring a lab who's working on a super virus... that is inherently more risky than a company working on building picture frames... Or at least if something *DOES* happen, it'll be much worse.
I completely understand what are you are saying, but I also know that this will never happen, because there are people breaking new ground with new technology and there is no way in hell they are going to give that away after (potentially) months or years of hard work. For what? to release it as an open standard and not get paid for it? As you said - nobody is doing that, and nobody because people want their cut. If you came up with an insanely good FS, that everyone wanted to use and it could set you up for life, would you release it open standard or would you sell it to MS for $25,000,000?
Dude, it is the BIOS that requests those things upon boot, not Windows (or linux or whatever). So if they want to bitch, they need to bitch at the BIOS manufacturer for not having an option to disable 'required keyboard for boot' option, that isn't microsoft's fault, although we love to blame them for everything.
Maybe so, but you cannot say he's done no good, he made nearly the entire world's desktop consistent. Otherwise we'd have a lot of good (idea) software and a lot of different platforms, he simply copies it and brings it to one platform - which has got to be worth something!
Couple of things,
Why is the subpoena just now being posted when it is dated from Nov. 5 2003?
(keep in mind, IANAL) Basically the document is saying it wants everything relating to communications between FSF and IBM relating to UNIX, Aix, Dynix, Linux and any other UNIX based OS.
Same for FSF and SCO.
Also, i find one of the definitions particularly interesting:
IE: (2) The term "communication" shall mean any transmittal of information, whether oral or written, including correspondence, electronic mail and other Internet transmissions, web pages, Internet relay chat logs, facsimile transmissions, telecopies, recordings in any medium of oral communications, telephone and message logs, and notes or memoranda relating to written or oral communications.
In General, if you want info, RTFA. However for those of you who just want some links to check things out quickly:
Hereis a PDF that contains samble chapters of the book reviewed.
Also from the same site is the following text and links for those of you wanting "real world examples":
"Industrial Experience with SPARK (PDF 234kb) Dr. Roderick Chapman, Praxis Critical Systems Limted. Presented at ACM SigAda 2000 conference. This paper discusses three large, real-world projects (C130J, SHOLIS and the MULTOS CA) where SPARK has made a contribution to meeting stringent software engineering standards. "
Carmack has been seemingly a little disappointed with linux sales and such. So i found it interestin that they are gonna jam with a linux client anyway.
5 211
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20503&cid=219
and (from linuxgames.com search for Carmack)
[carmack] "We are going to continue to support linux in future products, but unfortunately it doesn't look like a strong business case can be made for it. The mac version outsold the linux version by quite a bit, and even that didn't hit 5% of the windows sales. Mac versions are still valid business cases, because the support is way easier than on either windows or linux platforms, and the sales numbers amount to something noticeable. There is no way that a linux box will hit the shelf at the same time and have the same price as a windows box, assuming the publisher is making a maximum effort for the windows box. If this is truly a gating factor, linux boxed games just won't succeed. Loki wants to get away from making games "convertable" between platforms, to force linux players to buy the linux boxes. I have issues with this. Not making executable binaries available online sucks. I hate binary patches, and requiring either patches from different versions, or the installation of all previous patches. Just releasing a new executable is so much easier. Our options from here are to move towards a hybrid CD and pay Loki for official support (which makes linux support look like an expense, rather than a benefit), make a hybrid CD but leave the linux version in an "unsupported" directory, or just make unsupported linux executables available online like we used to. It is going to be quite some time before DOOM ships, so we can't say anything definitive at this point. I will probably do the initial development work for DOOM on linux, but I'm not interested in tracking every change that goes on in the linux world. The initial work will probably be with the Nvidia driver, which already has all the features I need, then I will work with the Open Source mesa drivers to bring them up to par. "
Uh, is anyone else concerned about normal social interaction when our best friends are tv characters.. to socialize with them we record the show?
"No! I heard if Ross married Rachel"
"Have you seen frasure today?"
Virus and Worm authors are our friends.
They help raise awareness and defeat the weak.
This is computerized darwinism. The strong survives.
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and you sir, are an idiot. People like my mother or my sister cannot reasonably be expected to follow the security lists and the MS KB and patch their systems for every little thing that crops up. They are both on cable/broadband and getting scanned hundreds and hundres of times per hour by all kinds of garbage out there, and I am suppose to take the attutide "well, if they'd just learn their shit they wouldn't have this problem"? What a crock. I don't expect them to have armed guards around their house and yet they reasonably expect to not to get over run with thugs. And I don't expect them to be machanics and yet I expect their car to work. When it doesn't they see a specialist (Mechanic). Thats what we (computer people) are paid for. The primary difference is there is tons and tons of new viruses and malware and spyware created daily, and none of the antiviruses can really keep up. And sometimes the patches cant (as usually, the patch is around a long time before the exploit, but not always the case). So only if you think of things like the holocaust as darwinism/natural selection would you think of this as darwinsim/natural selection.
Trojaned, or just were crappy admins that allowed open relays on the SMTP servers.
awesome... now only if they'd do this for linux Hell, It wouldn't be all that much code to port.
I live in North East Ohio and there is, on public access station, some tool named Rudy Rooster who basically plays porn on TV for 9 hours a week. He cuts out pictures from (presumably) playboy and plays music with filthy lyrics (with all the appropriate words that are censored when used as verbs) in the background. I do not want my two nephews (4 and 5) watching this garbage on TV if they get up on saturday and start flipping through the channels. That said, that is a *TV* problem, the janet jackson thing was a *TV* problem. My feeling is that if they are going to make something that sensors things that are inapprorpiate, they should make it for the TV. The V-Chip is a joke. After all is said and done, it is easy to sensor DVDs.
Don't buy'em.
-Sam
The problem with 'cd copy protection' is that you can simply record the output (port for headphones/speakers) of the audio device into a format (such as mp3) that you can share. And there is no way they can stop this method. Ok i'll give that it takes a little longer (the length of the song) - but the quality is exactly the same.
Yes it would, 711 survived!
You know I seriously wonder if this would be a viable option for Computer chess programs (http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=25 ). It certainly is getting cheap to get massive hardware processing power.