Any security engineer / technical security auditor worth his salt will a) point that out to you in a meeting b) prove it to you through pentesting if needed.
SCADA systems in general are on the more.. interesting side from a security testing point of view, as one has to be _pretty_ careful about any side-effects caused by the testing. Been there, done that, haven't (yet) caused any major disasters..;)
As so many digital-age inventions, this has been done in Finland ages ago.:) There's even a company whose business is built around it: http://www.upc.fi/en/upcode/
Yeah, even though the book is freely available, I for one like the feel (and weight;) of a good brick of a book in my hands / on my lap / desk when I am doing some research.
The online edition is extremely good for browsing before you buy, and also acts as a wonderful reference (can't do regexp searches in printed books, too bad:)
I would actually describe yourself as a whiny bitch..
Business promotions on brick&mortar stores (to use the current buzzword) are af course dependent on the store, but on the Internet, a company would be really stupid (<flamebait>or actually, as introvert as an American company usually is</flamebait>) not to include clients from all around the world. After all, that's what the Internet is for...
And no, I'm not the poster of the grandparent message.
You only buy a licenced copy of the disc so the mpaa can have all rights over what you do with the disc
Actually you are buying the whole disk. There is not a single mention on any DVD that I've seen that the terms of use differ in any way from those on video, books etc.
Also, it is illegal (at least here in Finland) to unilaterally change the terms of a purchase - especially without informing the purchaser...
Yes it is, but what are you going to do about it? You're going to absolutely nothing, because you can't do anything about it.
Except buying my blank CD:s and MD:s from abroad (which I do), or trying to run for a seat in the parliament (which still wouldn't give me real power to change anything), nothing.
organization advocating the legalization of cannabis was refused the status of a registered non-profit organization
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me at all. Finland and the Finnish people has been conditioned to fear drugs so much that even a proposition to think about the stuff is met with something approaching loathing. On the same note, most Finns are content in the current status that the Government tells us what is a "safe" percentage of alcohol in strong drinks (anything over 60% (I think) is treated as a drug).
who should be silenced at once
The silencing is actually quite efficient. If you keep enough noise so that somebody in the media will notice you, after you get your comments on paper / radio / TV, the government (or some other group) produces an "expert" to ridicule your opinions or, if that is not enough, then s/he reminds you (and the people) of the horrors of where Finland would be in a few years if the notion you were advocating would be implemented. Not nice at all.
challenging the existing laws and advocating change was deemed as unacceptable conduct
That is also something I have noticed. The bad thing is that the "conditioning" is so efficient that most of the time, the government etc. don't even have to do anything, the people will silence you (by silently or not so silently ridiculing you.)
Well, maybe someday even I will find a country which doesn't offend me.. Or maybe I should just shut up and be content with what I have (not!).
I might, if my novel was really good, so that I could get a reputation as a good writer. Then people might even buy my books (I haven't even tried to publish anything so far). When I write, it's out of personal need to "spill my guts out" (metaphorically), not making money.
Would you make your washing machine Open Source?
Yes I would, if somebody would design an upgrade to make my laundry cleaner with less water or power used.
why would you make your Telco solution Open Source?
I think it would enable me to get "more bang for the buck", so that the phone service would be more useful and would have more features (I have no new features in mind, but someone else could).
I sometimes think that people around here are just communists
Granted, the Open Source movements' "things to everybody equally, for free" might sound to an uneducated reader like Communism, that is not the case. Why? Open Source doesn't prohibit anyone from charging money for services generated with OS software. Actually, the name "Open Source" itself explains it everything: Yes, the Source of a program might be available, but isn't it much easier to shell out a few bucks and buy the whole program (or service), packaged, with manuals and some nice add-ons too? That is Open Source at its best.
Remember MPAA's proposed surcharge on blank video tapes a few years back, to reimburse them for revenues lost to piracy? Was any of that surcharge to be distributed to independent videomakers?
That is nothing compared to what we have here in Finland (yes, the land of Nokia, Mr. Torvalds and other cool high-tech stuff). We have a law-enforced added cost on recording media (Blank VC:s, CD:s & CD-RWs, MC:s, MD:s, I don't know what else) due to the supposed copying occurring at homes.
Quote from www.teosto.fi, first paragraph, translation by me: The copying occurring at private homes causes economical losses to the copyright holders. Therefore, in the copyright law, there are rules about a cassette payment (should now be media payment..) from which the makers, performers and producers get a payment from home recording.
Now, essentially this means that everytime I buy a CD-R to record DATA in, buy a blank MD to record a performance of the choir in which I sing (I do that a lot) OR I buy a VC to record a program from free-to-air TV, I am supporting the recording industry of Finland. And you thought RIAA was evil...
I wouldn't exactly say that the Slashdot system sucks, it's always the people. Given any (well, nearly any) group of people and a subject to discuss, there will always be some point on which the people don't agree on. On Slashdot, the majority of people tend to be for MP3's, digital freedom etc. so of course negative comments to that get moderated down.
And to say something about the actual point, most people (who I know are listening to MP3's) only use them for a background "canvas" of music when they are working / reading etc. For "serious" listening, it is always original CD:s, because the MP3 quality just doesn't cut the mustard. Of course, if one's only listening medium is a pair of multimedia speakers, then it doesn't make any difference. But then, they probably wouldn't be buying the CD:s anyhow.
That is actually a point I think has been seriously overlooked in the whole discussion. How many people would actually buy a complete CD if it wasn't available for listening online? I have to say not nearly as many people as download the stuff. So, the record companies' loss isn't really that big. ...just a thought...
Or they would have to sue Adam and Eve, or even better, God himself. Of course, God really isn't available for legal actions but the Catholic Pope has declared himself to be the sole representative of God on Earth. For more ideas / insight about this, please read Ben Bova's book "Sam Gunn Forever".
However, individuals cannot sue (foreign) governments (for trials in the World Court in The Hague), only other governments can. Also, an individual cannot sue the head of a state (if he/she isn't willing to be sued). But, with MPAA's & RIAA's combined lobbying (and much bribery), some banana state could be persuaded to sue either the U.S. or the Vatican...
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Hear hear.
Any security engineer / technical security auditor worth his salt will a) point that out to you in a meeting b) prove it to you through pentesting if needed.
SCADA systems in general are on the more .. interesting side from a security testing point of view, as one has to be _pretty_ careful about any side-effects caused by the testing. Been there, done that, haven't (yet) caused any major disasters.. ;)
As so many digital-age inventions, this has been done in Finland ages ago. :) There's even a company whose business is built around it: http://www.upc.fi/en/upcode/
Yeah, even though the book is freely available, I for one like the feel (and weight ;) of a good brick of a book in my hands / on my lap / desk when I am doing some research. :)
The online edition is extremely good for browsing before you buy, and also acts as a wonderful reference (can't do regexp searches in printed books, too bad
I would actually describe yourself as a whiny bitch..
Business promotions on brick&mortar stores (to use the current buzzword) are af course dependent on the store, but on the Internet, a company would be really stupid (<flamebait>or actually, as introvert as an American company usually is</flamebait>) not to include clients from all around the world. After all, that's what the Internet is for...
And no, I'm not the poster of the grandparent message.
You only buy a licenced copy of the disc so the mpaa can have all rights over what you do with the disc
Actually you are buying the whole disk. There is not a single mention on any DVD that I've seen that the terms of use differ in any way from those on video, books etc.
Also, it is illegal (at least here in Finland) to unilaterally change the terms of a purchase - especially without informing the purchaser...
Yes it is, but what are you going to do about it? You're going to absolutely nothing, because you can't do anything about it.
Except buying my blank CD:s and MD:s from abroad (which I do), or trying to run for a seat in the parliament (which still wouldn't give me real power to change anything), nothing.
organization advocating the legalization of cannabis was refused the status of a registered non-profit organization
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me at all. Finland and the Finnish people has been conditioned to fear drugs so much that even a proposition to think about the stuff is met with something approaching loathing. On the same note, most Finns are content in the current status that the Government tells us what is a "safe" percentage of alcohol in strong drinks (anything over 60% (I think) is treated as a drug).
who should be silenced at once
The silencing is actually quite efficient. If you keep enough noise so that somebody in the media will notice you, after you get your comments on paper / radio / TV, the government (or some other group) produces an "expert" to ridicule your opinions or, if that is not enough, then s/he reminds you (and the people) of the horrors of where Finland would be in a few years if the notion you were advocating would be implemented. Not nice at all.
challenging the existing laws and advocating change was deemed as unacceptable conduct
That is also something I have noticed. The bad thing is that the "conditioning" is so efficient that most of the time, the government etc. don't even have to do anything, the people will silence you (by silently or not so silently ridiculing you.)
Well, maybe someday even I will find a country which doesn't offend me.. Or maybe I should just shut up and be content with what I have (not!).
Would you write your novel Open Source?
I might, if my novel was really good, so that I could get a reputation as a good writer. Then people might even buy my books (I haven't even tried to publish anything so far). When I write, it's out of personal need to "spill my guts out" (metaphorically), not making money.
Would you make your washing machine Open Source?
Yes I would, if somebody would design an upgrade to make my laundry cleaner with less water or power used.
why would you make your Telco solution Open Source?
I think it would enable me to get "more bang for the buck", so that the phone service would be more useful and would have more features (I have no new features in mind, but someone else could).
I sometimes think that people around here are just communists
Granted, the Open Source movements' "things to everybody equally, for free" might sound to an uneducated reader like Communism, that is not the case. Why? Open Source doesn't prohibit anyone from charging money for services generated with OS software. Actually, the name "Open Source" itself explains it everything: Yes, the Source of a program might be available, but isn't it much easier to shell out a few bucks and buy the whole program (or service), packaged, with manuals and some nice add-ons too? That is Open Source at its best.
Remember MPAA's proposed surcharge on blank video tapes a few years back, to reimburse them for revenues lost to piracy? Was any of that surcharge to be distributed to independent videomakers?
That is nothing compared to what we have here in Finland (yes, the land of Nokia, Mr. Torvalds and other cool high-tech stuff). We have a law-enforced added cost on recording media (Blank VC:s, CD:s & CD-RWs, MC:s, MD:s, I don't know what else) due to the supposed copying occurring at homes.
Quote from www.teosto.fi, first paragraph, translation by me:
The copying occurring at private homes causes economical losses to the copyright holders. Therefore, in the copyright law, there are rules about a cassette payment (should now be media payment..) from which the makers, performers and producers get a payment from home recording.
Now, essentially this means that everytime I buy a CD-R to record DATA in, buy a blank MD to record a performance of the choir in which I sing (I do that a lot) OR I buy a VC to record a program from free-to-air TV, I am supporting the recording industry of Finland.
And you thought RIAA was evil...
I wouldn't exactly say that the Slashdot system sucks, it's always the people. Given any (well, nearly any) group of people and a subject to discuss, there will always be some point on which the people don't agree on.
...just a thought...
On Slashdot, the majority of people tend to be for MP3's, digital freedom etc. so of course negative comments to that get moderated down.
And to say something about the actual point, most people (who I know are listening to MP3's) only use them for a background "canvas" of music when they are working / reading etc. For "serious" listening, it is always original CD:s, because the MP3 quality just doesn't cut the mustard.
Of course, if one's only listening medium is a pair of multimedia speakers, then it doesn't make any difference. But then, they probably wouldn't be buying the CD:s anyhow.
That is actually a point I think has been seriously overlooked in the whole discussion. How many people would actually buy a complete CD if it wasn't available for listening online? I have to say not nearly as many people as download the stuff. So, the record companies' loss isn't really that big.
Or they would have to sue Adam and Eve, or even better, God himself.
Of course, God really isn't available for legal actions but the Catholic Pope has declared himself to be the sole representative of God on Earth. For more ideas / insight about this, please read Ben Bova's book "Sam Gunn Forever".
However, individuals cannot sue (foreign) governments (for trials in the World Court in The Hague), only other governments can. Also, an individual cannot sue the head of a state (if he/she isn't willing to be sued). But, with MPAA's & RIAA's combined lobbying (and much bribery), some banana state could be persuaded to sue either the U.S. or the Vatican...