They probably removed it to cut cost on the slims.
You are assuming they would remove it from the fat.
And if you think about it, removing features from products retroactively is in general a bad idea from a PR perspective, I think they would prefer to patch away the problem if they could (like they did with PSP flaws, etc the very first one which was an exploit via a flawed lib for viewing TIFF). This time round however I believe they didn't really have much of a choice.
Geohot himself proudly proclaimed that "Sony may have difficulty patching the exploit.".
The first glitch gave him control over the hypervisor allowing him to mess with the PS3 firmware, else I really doubt Sony would react in such a huge manner.
I read it when Geohot told the entire world how the "glitch" was done - also the was what prompt Sony to remove "Other OS".
Wikipedia confirms it. (I know not the most reliable source; but it would be a hell of a coincident if it ain't true, as it agrees pretty much with what I remember reading)
Oh, no! Multiplayer hacks! My life is ruined! Sony should remove all of the features on the console and hurt legitimate buyers instead of going after hackers on an individual basis!
Online cheating it is shit, it makes mulitplayer out right unplayable. Millions of pissed of gamers vs handful of homebrewers. Pick your poison.
As long as you only hurt the minority, anything is okay. Even if they are your legitimate customers.
Oh, no! No more homebrew! My life is ruined! Sony should do nothing to protect the other millions of gamers who own their console and give them revenue, and allow the Playstation as a gaming brand be tanished by shitty online play !
No he is referring to an early hack where he gained control over the PS3's hypervisior by exploit the feature know as "Other OS" and via bus glitching.
He didn't copy a game though, he broke the PS3 security cum DRM system and told the whole damn world how he did it.
Some people like the grandparent poster still think Sony removed it for no reason. Now why the heck would they do that, any idiot can see it will cause a major shitstorm, not to mention removing something is work their programmers have to do.
Sony removed "Other OS" to protect their income, as well as their reputation among both game developers/publishers (for obvious reasons) and gamers (broken security system = online mulitplayer hacking). Pissing off a handful of homebrewers was the less of 2 evils for them.
Despite what Steve Jobs thinks, I doubt tablets will replace desktops and their portable cousin laptops for doing real work.
Tablets have their place, they are "great carry around" computers. I think of them as clipboards. You can do some writing on them, but if you are writing a novel you might want to do it at a desk sitting on a chair.
"Easy?!? I'm guessing you must be new. In my line of work, I see tons of statistic problems that stump the best of us. The real world can be a PITA. I end up asking the maths and physic guys for those."
if I were you I would have just reply
"It ain't that hard IMO, I have a M.S in Mathematics though."
and just leave it as that.
I found your interpretation "unusual", and it seems I'm not the only one given the beating your karma took. But that's life I suppose, people see things differently. LOL.
OK... But I still think you are being defensive and overly sensitive, adding "meaning" where there is none.:x
Personally I don't see where he is stroking his ego. He even openly admitted there are tons of problems he can't solve which he then refer to his former colleagues (who are free to refuse BTW) for help.
his overall tone
that you imagined.
Look if you disagree with him, feel free to prove him wrong via argument. Flying off a tangent about his so called "attitude" which is mostly based on how you read his post in your head is just...
I suppose that's the thing with the internet. Without seeing a person's body language and tone of voice, everyone just fill in the gaps with their own imagination and sometimes end up being insulted by an imagined slight. I myself is guilt of that on occasion.
But man... How the heck did you go from his (IMHO) fairly neutral (if a little blunt) post to thinking he is putting you down and having a big ego? O_o IMO you seem to have quite a persecution complex ** and are probably reading too much into things. >.>
**Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But it does kind of look that way to me.
Well, I'm quite sure Amazon is not happy about you hacking the Kindle.
They probably can legally sue you if they wanted to, I sure they would sue someone if that someone started a business to "jailbreak" Kindles.
Imagine. So if Apple designs it's future hardware so it will only run code that they sign, then it's perfectly OK - they are using technical means to limit their device now.
To be honest, I not sure what is the "right" thing to do any more. Between companies, I don't quite think Amazon is being wronged in any way.
I suppose the best case, would be we jailbreak everything and can read whatever we buy wherever we want. Of course "freedom" provide by jailbreaking isn't really compatible with DRM that publishers require...
Now if you are a libertarian you will probably think government interference is the worst thing ever. However it would be kind of helpful of the government could mandate a standard of some sort so we can access DRM books across devices, regardless who you bought it from. Of course screams of government "spying" (as they will know what books you own; some neutral authority has to keep track of ownership/licensing)... or perhaps there is some other way. But I digress.
He is just stating statistics (at least those that he bumps into in his line of work) isn't easy, and what's wrong with asking his "former peers" for help if they don't mind.
Where did he say he is an Excellent engineer? What makes you think he is obsessed with money? It's a job of course you do it for money. Prestige? You speak as if academics don't have any prestige to their jobs.
Apart from the huge fight over it and all the patent and licensing worries?
This is the "necessary evil" part of a standardization process.
Sometimes it's easily resolved and everyone moves on with their lives enjoying the benefits of having a fixed standard. Sometimes it's never resolved and the status quote is maintained with the standard hanging in limbo.
The point is if Amazon can legally limit their device to their services only, than Apple should be able do the same as well IMHO - regardless of the mechanisms used to constraint the device.
Amazon isn't supporting Apple's iBook store, than Apple doesn't really have to support Amazon's either.
Apple products are designed to do a multitude of tasks,
It's designed to do what Apple says it does.
That's the thing here, Amazon isn't doing Apple any favours with what is essentially a lock down Kindle (locked to them that is; it's probably trivial to add another online store), Apple is kind of entitled to do the same if you ask me.
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Assumption, assumption.
They probably removed it to cut cost on the slims.
You are assuming they would remove it from the fat.
And if you think about it, removing features from products retroactively is in general a bad idea from a PR perspective, I think they would prefer to patch away the problem if they could (like they did with PSP flaws, etc the very first one which was an exploit via a flawed lib for viewing TIFF).
This time round however I believe they didn't really have much of a choice.
Geohot himself proudly proclaimed that "Sony may have difficulty patching the exploit.".
Corporations have no principles, with the exception of a few like maybe Google.
They exist to make money, if something stops making them money, they stop doing it.
As for the Dreamcast, what you have observed is a well know tactic known as FUD, pioneered by everyone's "favourite" monopolist MS.
I suppose all that's left is Nintendo, but they have their own skeletons in their closets from the NES/SNES days when they were kingpin.
The first glitch gave him control over the hypervisor allowing him to mess with the PS3 firmware, else I really doubt Sony would react in such a huge manner.
It's might hard to do that, with the hypervisior compromised though, having I believe full rein over the PS3 they could evade detection.
Yes?
A flaw in the way MS Office hands a Word document could result in arbitrary code execution with a maliciously crafted Word document.
PDFs seem to get a lot of these bugs.
I read it when Geohot told the entire world how the "glitch" was done - also the was what prompt Sony to remove "Other OS".
Wikipedia confirms it. (I know not the most reliable source; but it would be a hell of a coincident if it ain't true, as it agrees pretty much with what I remember reading)
Oh, no! Multiplayer hacks! My life is ruined! Sony should remove all of the features on the console and hurt legitimate buyers instead of going after hackers on an individual basis!
Online cheating it is shit, it makes mulitplayer out right unplayable.
Millions of pissed of gamers vs handful of homebrewers. Pick your poison.
As long as you only hurt the minority, anything is okay. Even if they are your legitimate customers.
Oh, no! No more homebrew! My life is ruined! Sony should do nothing to protect the other millions of gamers who own their console and give them revenue, and allow the Playstation as a gaming brand be tanished by shitty online play !
See I can do that too.
He told you the attack vector ... I think that enough information to replicated it, or at least make it a whole lot easier.
No he is referring to an early hack where he gained control over the PS3's hypervisior by exploit the feature know as "Other OS" and via bus glitching.
Yupe. That seems to be the official reason.
http://kotaku.com/5751122/why-would-a-game-with-no-online-play-require-an-online-connection
He didn't copy a game though, he broke the PS3 security cum DRM system and told the whole damn world how he did it.
Some people like the grandparent poster still think Sony removed it for no reason.
Now why the heck would they do that, any idiot can see it will cause a major shitstorm, not to mention removing something is work their programmers have to do.
Sony removed "Other OS" to protect their income, as well as their reputation among both game developers/publishers (for obvious reasons) and gamers (broken security system = online mulitplayer hacking).
Pissing off a handful of homebrewers was the less of 2 evils for them.
No idea why publishers are so obsessed with DRM.
So either it really does increase sales, or they are crazy.
No one spends millions on some tech (DRM in this case) when there is no return.
I'm not supporting this BS BTW, just wondering why.
Well, Sony doesn't really have that strong a hand to play if you think about it.
You either appease game publishers, or they don't develop for you. /shrug
Despite what Steve Jobs thinks, I doubt tablets will replace desktops and their portable cousin laptops for doing real work.
Tablets have their place, they are "great carry around" computers.
I think of them as clipboards. You can do some writing on them, but if you are writing a novel you might want to do it at a desk sitting on a chair.
LOL, so that's the way you read it.
The way I read it was
"Easy?!? I'm guessing you must be new. In my line of work, I see tons of statistic problems that stump the best of us. The real world can be a PITA. I end up asking the maths and physic guys for those."
if I were you I would have just reply
"It ain't that hard IMO, I have a M.S in Mathematics though."
and just leave it as that.
I found your interpretation "unusual", and it seems I'm not the only one given the beating your karma took.
But that's life I suppose, people see things differently. LOL.
OK... :x
But I still think you are being defensive and overly sensitive, adding "meaning" where there is none.
Personally I don't see where he is stroking his ego.
He even openly admitted there are tons of problems he can't solve which he then refer to his former colleagues (who are free to refuse BTW) for help.
his overall tone
that you imagined.
Look if you disagree with him, feel free to prove him wrong via argument. ...
Flying off a tangent about his so called "attitude" which is mostly based on how you read his post in your head is just
I suppose that's the thing with the internet.
Without seeing a person's body language and tone of voice, everyone just fill in the gaps with their own imagination and sometimes end up being insulted by an imagined slight.
I myself is guilt of that on occasion.
But man ... How the heck did you go from his (IMHO) fairly neutral (if a little blunt) post to thinking he is putting you down and having a big ego? O_o
IMO you seem to have quite a persecution complex ** and are probably reading too much into things. >.>
**Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But it does kind of look that way to me.
they don't own the data (fortunately!) -
You sure about that?
I'm quite sure they own their index and search pages (which return the contents of their said index) their web servers return.
They just don't own the pages their indexes point to.
Well, I'm quite sure Amazon is not happy about you hacking the Kindle.
They probably can legally sue you if they wanted to, I sure they would sue someone if that someone started a business to "jailbreak" Kindles.
Imagine. So if Apple designs it's future hardware so it will only run code that they sign, then it's perfectly OK - they are using technical means to limit their device now.
To be honest, I not sure what is the "right" thing to do any more. Between companies, I don't quite think Amazon is being wronged in any way.
I suppose the best case, would be we jailbreak everything and can read whatever we buy wherever we want. ...
Of course "freedom" provide by jailbreaking isn't really compatible with DRM that publishers require
Now if you are a libertarian you will probably think government interference is the worst thing ever. ... or perhaps there is some other way.
However it would be kind of helpful of the government could mandate a standard of some sort so we can access DRM books across devices, regardless who you bought it from.
Of course screams of government "spying" (as they will know what books you own; some neutral authority has to keep track of ownership/licensing)
But I digress.
Wow defensive much...
He is just stating statistics (at least those that he bumps into in his line of work) isn't easy, and what's wrong with asking his "former peers" for help if they don't mind.
Where did he say he is an Excellent engineer?
What makes you think he is obsessed with money? It's a job of course you do it for money.
Prestige? You speak as if academics don't have any prestige to their jobs.
Now now ...
Apart from the huge fight over it and all the patent and licensing worries?
This is the "necessary evil" part of a standardization process.
Sometimes it's easily resolved and everyone moves on with their lives enjoying the benefits of having a fixed standard.
Sometimes it's never resolved and the status quote is maintained with the standard hanging in limbo.
Kind of depends if they have anything to sue.
If it's a "make nothing" patent troll there would be nothing to counter-sue over.
iBooks can read ePubs for what's it's worth.
The point is if Amazon can legally limit their device to their services only, than Apple should be able do the same as well IMHO - regardless of the mechanisms used to constraint the device.
Amazon isn't supporting Apple's iBook store, than Apple doesn't really have to support Amazon's either.
Apple products are designed to do a multitude of tasks,
It's designed to do what Apple says it does.
That's the thing here, Amazon isn't doing Apple any favours with what is essentially a lock down Kindle (locked to them that is; it's probably trivial to add another online store), Apple is kind of entitled to do the same if you ask me.
PS: iBooks can read ePubs BTW.