Like if there were hypothetical competitive operating systems like Mac OSX, Linux (and the competition therein--Ubuntu, Fedora, etc), FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, etc?
I don't disagree with you, I merely wanted to comment that there are still many forms of pollution--air, water, soil, etc--that effect many millions, even billions of people around the world every day, while co2 seems to have hit the "fad" cause level.
somewhat like how AIDS kills many people, but other diseases like malaria kill and infect many times more, yet AIDS is focused upon so much more than any other disease.
That's more or less the point I was trying to make.
Today's developed countries developed largely ignoring the environment. From Dickensian London to deforestation and strip mining in the 20th century etc. Today, we're reforming in some ways, and new industries are developing around protecting the environment, alternative fuel sources, etc.
The situation in China is much like it was for us years ago--a Chinese friend recently spent a year in Beijing and constantly complained about the pollution and the smog and the like. I'm not at all saying that China must stop--their economy is a large part of the prosperity of the rest of the world as well. I'm saying that environmentally speaking it would be best for them to stop. That's the reason that Kyoto largely exempts developing economies--being good to the environment is expensive.
Well, who knows. People today seem to be almost solely fixated on "global warming" and carbon dioxide emissions. There are many, many other pollution problems--sulfur dioxide / acid rain being one of them. China for instance today has huge sulfur dioxide emissions, roughly comparable to the US 25 years ago before we got good about it.
It's a difficult position, seeing as I saw one estimate that in terms of co2, China would overtake the US in roughly 5 years at current rates. (I'm not sure how accurate that is). It's truly got to be a global initiative, but one that doesn't do more harm than good. Plans like Kyoto makes huge exceptions for countries like China and India. This is of course good for them, not so good for everyone else.
Let me get this straight--you cherry pick one of your three claims (I assume that means you are conceding your other ludicrous statements?) and use as your primary evidence a dismissed court case that never made it to trial--mere allegations? The program that amongst many others, Democrat Lanny Davis praised for its impressive safeguards and the length the program went to protect privacy.
I'm curious what exactly YOU know about any NSA program that the Privacy and Civil Liberties Board doesn't?
As a side note, it's always fascinating to me when people who claim to believe in innocence before being proved guilty will go to any length and any amount of spurious evidence to "convict" those who disagree with them.
Actually, you didn't at all make a broad, sweeping, or generalized comment. If you feel that I missed your sweeping broad whatever comment, please show it to me, because I can't find it.. In case you forgot what you said, here it is:
Your first statement: "Well, after 9/11 we ARE all under constant surveillance of all our phone and internet traffic,"
Your claim: After 9/11 (and ergo, not before) everyone (assumed in the US) is under constant survillenace of all our phone and internet traffic.
I'm looking for any evidence to back this up. This is a very straightforward claim, and has nothing to do with the Iraq war, foreign policy, etc. I scanned the link you sent and saw nothing relevant to what you posted. So, let's see the evidence.
Your second claim: "and we've lost the right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus."
Again, let's see the evidence. Your link didn't include any discussion of habeas corpus. This is a very straightforward and SPECIFIC claim, let's see the evidence.
"Sounds to me like it's been pretty damn convenient for SOME folks and their companies."
I'm not really sure where this came from, but it sounds like you're claiming that this alleged increase of online surveillance and the alleged suspension of habeas corpus is assumed to be convenient for some folks and their companies? Who exactly?
I'm also baffled by your statement on "talking points" -- what "talking points" did i use? I'm not sure you understand what talking points are, because saying "can I see the facts behind your statement" is NOT a talking point.
You then say that (to me?) the "actual facts don't really matter" -- but that's exactly what I'm asking for, I'm asking for facts, and you've so far been totally unable to provide them.
Man, do you realize how pathetic that sounds? I find it amusing that I put up a post asking for evidence, and every person that has responded has been like "WHAT AN IDIOT! CAN'T YOU SEE IT ALL AROUND YOU!" etc etc.
Fortunately, that's the good thing about evidence--it means something, rather than rabid lunatic claims that can't be supported by anything other delusional fancy.
I'm going on the record claiming that there are little green men ALL around us, and if you make claims to the contrary, well OPEN UP YOUR EYES MAN, the evidence is all around you.
So I take it that means that you DON'T have any proof to back up a single one of those assertions? If you do, I'd be more than glad to take a look at it, but I have no idea what you're talking about until then.
I ran the WebKit nightlies for several months, but ultimately found them overall to be too unstable. Even when I found a build that worked pretty well, it crashed far more than regular safari (which for me does occasionally crash). In comparison with Firefox where I don't think i've ever had a crash.
I think I would use Firefox 2.0 100% of the time now if it had better RSS (Safari-like RSS) and if the arrow keys functioned in text boxes the way they're supposed to on Mac!!
FWIW, Safari won't even run any of the DOM conformance tests... pops up the same "error / retry" msgbox you saw with opera, I believe.
Safari kind of sucks as a browser I have to say...it's the only major browser than doesn't work with fckedit (which is avery cool tool), google maps / mail often makes safari freeze up and crash.. it can't even run other google projects like the spreadsheet at all..
Well, killing someone's dog IS a crime. It can be argued that "killing" a fetus is not a crime--though I guess it is in certain cases such as assault in which the fetus is lost, versus abortion.
It's a tough topic... I think most people probably go through about the entire spectrum of beliefs over the course of their lives, depending on their life experiences.
Amen!! I love and miss the days of Quest for glory... the hours I spent throwing rocks to get my skill higher:-)
I'm having trouble finding a download link right now, but if you haven't played the fan game "quest for glory 4.5" it's... amusing to say the least. nice homage to a QfG and a bunch of the old sierra games.
Good for them. "China" also announced an AIDs cure a couple months ago. Anyone can make announcements, I'll start being impressed when I see more than propaganda.
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I managed to buy a laptop without paying the tax. (though it's really a powerbook)
Like if there were hypothetical competitive operating systems like Mac OSX, Linux (and the competition therein--Ubuntu, Fedora, etc), FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, etc?
I don't disagree with you, I merely wanted to comment that there are still many forms of pollution--air, water, soil, etc--that effect many millions, even billions of people around the world every day, while co2 seems to have hit the "fad" cause level.
somewhat like how AIDS kills many people, but other diseases like malaria kill and infect many times more, yet AIDS is focused upon so much more than any other disease.
No--you're correct, I was thinking of a different case.
reassuring to see the case grind through the cogs of justice?
That's more or less the point I was trying to make.
Today's developed countries developed largely ignoring the environment. From Dickensian London to deforestation and strip mining in the 20th century etc. Today, we're reforming in some ways, and new industries are developing around protecting the environment, alternative fuel sources, etc.
The situation in China is much like it was for us years ago--a Chinese friend recently spent a year in Beijing and constantly complained about the pollution and the smog and the like. I'm not at all saying that China must stop--their economy is a large part of the prosperity of the rest of the world as well. I'm saying that environmentally speaking it would be best for them to stop. That's the reason that Kyoto largely exempts developing economies--being good to the environment is expensive.
If you're talking about Hepting v. AT&T you're correct.
Well, who knows. People today seem to be almost solely fixated on "global warming" and carbon dioxide emissions. There are many, many other pollution problems--sulfur dioxide / acid rain being one of them. China for instance today has huge sulfur dioxide emissions, roughly comparable to the US 25 years ago before we got good about it.
:p
It's a difficult position, seeing as I saw one estimate that in terms of co2, China would overtake the US in roughly 5 years at current rates. (I'm not sure how accurate that is). It's truly got to be a global initiative, but one that doesn't do more harm than good. Plans like Kyoto makes huge exceptions for countries like China and India. This is of course good for them, not so good for everyone else.
In short, I have no idea what's going to happen
You think an untried, dismissed allegation is evidence?
Well if you believe that people should be tried according to those rules, then I guess that's why you would portray me, asking for facts, as a troll.
Let me get this straight--you cherry pick one of your three claims (I assume that means you are conceding your other ludicrous statements?) and use as your primary evidence a dismissed court case that never made it to trial--mere allegations? The program that amongst many others, Democrat Lanny Davis praised for its impressive safeguards and the length the program went to protect privacy.
I'm curious what exactly YOU know about any NSA program that the Privacy and Civil Liberties Board doesn't?
As a side note, it's always fascinating to me when people who claim to believe in innocence before being proved guilty will go to any length and any amount of spurious evidence to "convict" those who disagree with them.
Actually, you didn't at all make a broad, sweeping, or generalized comment. If you feel that I missed your sweeping broad whatever comment, please show it to me, because I can't find it.. In case you forgot what you said, here it is:
Your first statement:
"Well, after 9/11 we ARE all under constant surveillance of all our phone and internet traffic,"
Your claim: After 9/11 (and ergo, not before) everyone (assumed in the US) is under constant survillenace of all our phone and internet traffic.
I'm looking for any evidence to back this up. This is a very straightforward claim, and has nothing to do with the Iraq war, foreign policy, etc. I scanned the link you sent and saw nothing relevant to what you posted. So, let's see the evidence.
Your second claim:
"and we've lost the right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus."
Again, let's see the evidence. Your link didn't include any discussion of habeas corpus. This is a very straightforward and SPECIFIC claim, let's see the evidence.
"Sounds to me like it's been pretty damn convenient for SOME folks and their companies."
I'm not really sure where this came from, but it sounds like you're claiming that this alleged increase of online surveillance and the alleged suspension of habeas corpus is assumed to be convenient for some folks and their companies? Who exactly?
I'm also baffled by your statement on "talking points" -- what "talking points" did i use? I'm not sure you understand what talking points are, because saying "can I see the facts behind your statement" is NOT a talking point.
You then say that (to me?) the "actual facts don't really matter" -- but that's exactly what I'm asking for, I'm asking for facts, and you've so far been totally unable to provide them.
Man, do you realize how pathetic that sounds? I find it amusing that I put up a post asking for evidence, and every person that has responded has been like "WHAT AN IDIOT! CAN'T YOU SEE IT ALL AROUND YOU!" etc etc.
Fortunately, that's the good thing about evidence--it means something, rather than rabid lunatic claims that can't be supported by anything other delusional fancy.
I'm going on the record claiming that there are little green men ALL around us, and if you make claims to the contrary, well OPEN UP YOUR EYES MAN, the evidence is all around you.
So I take it that means that you DON'T have any proof to back up a single one of those assertions? If you do, I'd be more than glad to take a look at it, but I have no idea what you're talking about until then.
So I take it that means that you DON'T have any proof?
I guess kids just aren't joining debate clubs like they used to.. it's kind of a shame.
Well, after 9/11 we ARE all under constant surveillance of all our phone and internet traffic, and we've lost the right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus.
Sounds to me like it's been pretty damn convenient for SOME folks and their companies.
What's the evidence for this? Can you back up any one of those statements?
I ran the WebKit nightlies for several months, but ultimately found them overall to be too unstable. Even when I found a build that worked pretty well, it crashed far more than regular safari (which for me does occasionally crash). In comparison with Firefox where I don't think i've ever had a crash.
I think I would use Firefox 2.0 100% of the time now if it had better RSS (Safari-like RSS) and if the arrow keys functioned in text boxes the way they're supposed to on Mac!!
FWIW, Safari won't even run any of the DOM conformance tests ... pops up the same "error / retry" msgbox you saw with opera, I believe.
Safari kind of sucks as a browser I have to say...it's the only major browser than doesn't work with fckedit (which is avery cool tool), google maps / mail often makes safari freeze up and crash.. it can't even run other google projects like the spreadsheet at all..
sigh
I just wish Firefox was more macified.
Good point, but he bought the books AFTER his ex disappeared.
Well, killing someone's dog IS a crime. It can be argued that "killing" a fetus is not a crime--though I guess it is in certain cases such as assault in which the fetus is lost, versus abortion.
It's a tough topic... I think most people probably go through about the entire spectrum of beliefs over the course of their lives, depending on their life experiences.
Just out of curiosity, have you had any children? I also assume you're male.
I'm male and as of yet childless, and quite frankly have no idea how I would feel about the legal or emotional status of my unborn child.
I have to think I would probably consider it more than "a late term fetus" though..
Amen!! I love and miss the days of Quest for glory... the hours I spent throwing rocks to get my skill higher :-)
... amusing to say the least. nice homage to a QfG and a bunch of the old sierra games.
I'm having trouble finding a download link right now, but if you haven't played the fan game "quest for glory 4.5" it's
Way to take the high road there. Ad hominems are usually the last respite of those who can't marshall arguments any other way.
Hi JakartaDean.
Add Gun Control to Litany of Misbegotten Government Plans
National crime rates compared
England has worst crime rate in world
Statistics Confirm Huge London Crime Wave
Gun Control's Twisted Outcome
There are plenty more links out there--this was about 5 minutes of googling.
That's what you get for leaving your screen unlocked.
Ahh, I see you're not familiar with the illustrious GNAA... (I'd prefer not even to type what that stands for)
Ich.
Ah you're correct, I forgot about that flight. thanks for the correction!
Good for them. "China" also announced an AIDs cure a couple months ago. Anyone can make announcements, I'll start being impressed when I see more than propaganda.