To a couple of the women I've seen replying to this thread, the views expressed in the above link are completely fine, no doubt. Completely acceptable.
That's justice, you see. It's perfectly ok for women to express the sort of sickness in the above link, and yet supposedly, women are more compassionate.
Women can express the above; and yet war is the exclusive domain of men alone. Women aren't capable of hate. They're not capable of savagery. They're not capable of vindictiveness. They're certainly not capable of violence.
That demonstrates the very root of the problem: maleness is still the default, the essential;
Not in my experience. There are plenty of places where guys are considered second class citizens; where some of us feel that we'd be better off, sociologically speaking, if we hadn't been born male at all. Of course, you'd view that as justice; and then you think it's exclusively us who are pathological. I've ended up fairly seriously messed up in the head, yes; but it's because of having to deal with a society that has been redesigned in the image of women like you. Maybe it hasn't happened in the specific area that you're living in, no; but that doesn't mean that it hasn't at all.
Neither are healthy. That's what you perhaps don't get. Having a society modelled on manhating lesbians is no more healthy than having a society modelled on the views of ancient Jewish men who adamantly believed that Satan was female. Both perspectives are sick, and both mean someone ends up damaged because of them.
Sorry, no; I just have to endure cat calls from sleazy strangers on my walk to work, get interrupted in meetings (and then get pigeonholed as a bitch for standing up for myself)
I won't pigeonhole you as a bitch. I will, however, ask serious questions about whether or not you're afflicted with misandrony. That's not a word you hear very often, is it? Accusing us of misogyny is so much more PC.
honk if you're queer
Let me guess. You'll try and tell me that having this as your sig, and being a feminist, is a complete coincidence; right?
Per Occam's Razor, the Redmond angle is the most convincing to me.
No, that's due to your own paranoia. Claiming that it is anything remotely rational is not true.
Atheists really need to stop lying to themselves. You claim to be so rational and objective, when in reality you're not at all. You're just as irrational, paranoid, and/or emotively hysterical as any of the rest of us; you just redefine what the word "rational," means at your leisure, in order to cover yourselves.
People are oversensitive to a degree which is nothing short of insane, these days. I remember the unbelievable global flap that occurred in response to a couple of guys painting themselves black on Hey Hey It's Saturday last week.
Then there was a "sex scene," in the pilot of the latest Stargate series, which could not have been less graphic. You literally don't see anything at all, and I mean anything. A woman is looking a little sweaty, is breathing heavily, and has her legs wrapped around a guy's waist. That's it. No breasts, and not even a hint of such. Nothing else either. It also wasn't on the screen for more than probably a minute, tops. I caught myself after I saw it, because I was wondering whether that was what the article I read beforehand was referring to, or whether there was going to be something else. It was literally that tame.
Yet people were talking about how inappropriate it could potentially be, etc etc.
So to any women (and yes, I mean any) who were offended by any of the lame things said by Mark Shuttleworth or RMS, I have a song for you to listen to. I will also laugh with contempt at any response to this from enraged lesbians telling me that I'm obviously yet another pathologically chauvanistic male, so feel free.
If hearing Stallman talk about wanting to deflower female virgins during an Emacs speech, is the most psychologically scarring thing you've had to deal with in life, then all I can say is that you've had it a lot easier than most.
[quote]Explore the fearsome depths of the labyrinthine cursed dungeon/etc in an attempt to find the ancient lost artifact, A Fucking Working Configuration![/quote]
If you want something that genuinely deserves having the Indiana Jones music on in the background, check out the website for Latex.;)
If you want something for making analogies with the Necronomicon, we also must mention X. Perverted? Check. Blasphemous? Check. Likely to send you howling, barking, raving insane if you delve too deeply into its' unholy innards? Check.
Postgres is BSD licensed. Even if the parent company is the victim of a hostile takeover, that means you can fork the existing codebase, and keep developing and using it. It also means that it doesn't have the viral aspect of the GPL, either; so it's more business friendly as well.
Just because you can describe a system doesn't make it easy to design or implement. You basically just said "It's simple! Just put a SQL backed php application on a server and back it up! Make sure it's good too!".
How did I know I was going to get this sort of response?
You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. If I respond to people abusively, I get called a troll and accused of producing flamebait. Yet if I try and write something positive and constructive, I get some small minded, brainless insect like you responding to me. Responding constantly to people about how something *can't* be done, is not useful.
This is what Open Source software is up against. It's truly brutal. That said, never give up fighting, but it has to be done at the highest levels.
From the sounds of things, trying to do it at the highest levels, is exactly the *wrong* way to go about it.
UNIX was originally developed, so the story goes, with a couple of PDP-11s in an abandoned corner somewhere. Cheap, low profile, inconspicuous.
Likewise, if you're a sysadmin trying to get FOSS in the door, don't make a big noise about it. Go to a garage sale on the weekend, or a used electronics place, and buy a $200-$300 headless 3 ghz box, and then install FreeBSD on it at home over the weekend. Sneak it into the office next morning, and leave it quietly near your desk, hooked up to your other systems.
If the boss asks any questions, it's just a little something that you've got there, to pull out of your hat if the main system goes to hell, and you need to get back on your feet in a hurry. That's how most shops I've read about use OpenBSD. It might not be part of their standard deployment, but they have a single box sitting quietly and vigilantly in a corner somewhere; it's the proverbial phone booth system.
Fear of change can be a healthy thing, if not taken to excess...but once management has seen Puffy save the day a couple of times, they'll come around.;)
Is the open source solution close enough to the needs of the Ontario government that, as the article alleges, all you need to do is buy some servers and set it up and there are negligible other costs? I seriously doubt it. I would be willing to bet heavily against it. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably hasn't spent much time developing software for government.
I haven't, no...but what are said needs?
I'm assuming that the main component of a record system is going to be a database. You'll also need a usablesystem and interface for entering and retrieving said records into the DB. You're also going to want to do SQL dumps and periodic offsite backups, so that if anything goes wrong, you can get the data back.
Of course, it will also be very important to ensure that the operating system the database is hosted on, is as robust as possible, to minimise the possibility of crashes; as well as a strong filesystem for times when you need to make a lot of queries at once. Even though that system is meant for servers, you can still make it user friendly for your administrative staff as well, if you need to.
If you're going to want the records accessible from outside the hospital, you'll probably also want to make sure that they are protected by a couple of very secure firewalls, as well, since it could potentially mean the loss of someone's life if they get cracked.
Finally, they will need to make sure that whoever puts the network together does so according to sound administration principles, as well.
Bad and sloppy code gets found, fixed qickly, and is met with hoots of derision from other developers.
If it's in kernel space, and especially if it's considered a threat to security, then yes. If it's in user space, however, it's just as likely to get ignored as in a commercial scenario.
If bugs always got fixed in userspace for Linux, ALSA in particular wouldn't be the steaming pile that it is.
I'm really getting fed up with the regurgitation of brainless mind control and groupthink on Slashdot. Don't just parrot rhetoric that you see someone else write, and start learning to use your own fucking brain. It's getting seriously infuriating.
Can I ask one of my more scientifically oriented friends here on Slashdot; could this discovery potentially tell us more about how a water cycle initially starts, now that we've got another example of it happening, besides our own?
Are there any routers available that do have completely open firmware/whatever else?
If so, buy those, the end. Activism means nothing, hate sites filled with spam like the FSF produce mean nothing. Businesses don't care about those, because they don't have to.
As the saying goes, money talks, and bullshit walks. Give yours to companies who produce the types of products that you want to buy.
No flaming, no flaps, no noise, no controversy. It's simple, it's quiet, and it can be effective.
Maybe a second fork from pre-license change XFree86, emphasizing on correctness instead of features and instead of support for hardware that long-time computer professionals don't use in the first place is the way to go.
I could be wrong about this, but my gut tells me that a secondary patch project could help.
When X.org do a base release, then after all the jerry rigging people have to do, to get it working with their various distributions/systems, if said people could make patches of said modifications, and then submit them to a repository for such.
It would save probably a lot of time and duplication of effort, because if Debian or whoever else manage to fix a certain bug, anyone else who went to the repo and was having the same bug, could get that patch, and either maybe modify it if needed, or simply slot it straight in.
Another reason why I think that could really help X, is because (as an example) I wanted to re-enable the ability to hit control-alt-backspace to kill an X session when it hangs. I have a 3d video card with bad vram, and so if I'm playing World of Warcraft sometimes, and X freezes, if I can't get out and have to reboot the machine, it means that because the hard disk was still mounted, it can damage the partition.
The X people however decided to make that disabled by default, to supposedly help new users. Given the size of X, I'm assuming there are probably a lot of obscure options like that, which some people need, and some people don't. A patch repository could offer patches where such functionality was turned on or off by certain patches, as people wanted.
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Maybe you didn't understand.
He was saying that *other people* were accusing him of being gay. He was actually describing other people's bigotry, not his own.
...this is what's left.
http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm
To a couple of the women I've seen replying to this thread, the views expressed in the above link are completely fine, no doubt. Completely acceptable.
That's justice, you see. It's perfectly ok for women to express the sort of sickness in the above link, and yet supposedly, women are more compassionate.
Women can express the above; and yet war is the exclusive domain of men alone. Women aren't capable of hate. They're not capable of savagery. They're not capable of vindictiveness. They're certainly not capable of violence.
That's all just us guys, solely.
That demonstrates the very root of the problem: maleness is still the default, the essential;
Not in my experience. There are plenty of places where guys are considered second class citizens; where some of us feel that we'd be better off, sociologically speaking, if we hadn't been born male at all. Of course, you'd view that as justice; and then you think it's exclusively us who are pathological. I've ended up fairly seriously messed up in the head, yes; but it's because of having to deal with a society that has been redesigned in the image of women like you. Maybe it hasn't happened in the specific area that you're living in, no; but that doesn't mean that it hasn't at all.
Neither are healthy. That's what you perhaps don't get. Having a society modelled on manhating lesbians is no more healthy than having a society modelled on the views of ancient Jewish men who adamantly believed that Satan was female. Both perspectives are sick, and both mean someone ends up damaged because of them.
Sorry, no; I just have to endure cat calls from sleazy strangers on my walk to work, get interrupted in meetings (and then get pigeonholed as a bitch for standing up for myself)
I won't pigeonhole you as a bitch. I will, however, ask serious questions about whether or not you're afflicted with misandrony. That's not a word you hear very often, is it? Accusing us of misogyny is so much more PC.
honk if you're queer
Let me guess. You'll try and tell me that having this as your sig, and being a feminist, is a complete coincidence; right?
...to be hysterically offended about, here's a bit more.
Answer me honestly, girls. Was there a single one of you, who was upset by Shuttleworth's or RMS' comments, who was actually straight?
Nobody ever says it, but I've seen the truth on a fairly first hand basis. Feminism genuinely isn't the domain of heterosexuals, largely speaking.
Accusations of chauvanism can also very legitimately go both ways.
Per Occam's Razor, the Redmond angle is the most convincing to me.
No, that's due to your own paranoia. Claiming that it is anything remotely rational is not true.
Atheists really need to stop lying to themselves. You claim to be so rational and objective, when in reality you're not at all. You're just as irrational, paranoid, and/or emotively hysterical as any of the rest of us; you just redefine what the word "rational," means at your leisure, in order to cover yourselves.
People are oversensitive to a degree which is nothing short of insane, these days. I remember the unbelievable global flap that occurred in response to a couple of guys painting themselves black on Hey Hey It's Saturday last week.
Then there was a "sex scene," in the pilot of the latest Stargate series, which could not have been less graphic. You literally don't see anything at all, and I mean anything. A woman is looking a little sweaty, is breathing heavily, and has her legs wrapped around a guy's waist. That's it. No breasts, and not even a hint of such. Nothing else either. It also wasn't on the screen for more than probably a minute, tops. I caught myself after I saw it, because I was wondering whether that was what the article I read beforehand was referring to, or whether there was going to be something else. It was literally that tame.
Yet people were talking about how inappropriate it could potentially be, etc etc.
So to any women (and yes, I mean any) who were offended by any of the lame things said by Mark Shuttleworth or RMS, I have a song for you to listen to. I will also laugh with contempt at any response to this from enraged lesbians telling me that I'm obviously yet another pathologically chauvanistic male, so feel free.
If hearing Stallman talk about wanting to deflower female virgins during an Emacs speech, is the most psychologically scarring thing you've had to deal with in life, then all I can say is that you've had it a lot easier than most.
If I had points, I'd give you +1, Funny. ;)
...whether you want to, or not."
[quote]Explore the fearsome depths of the labyrinthine cursed dungeon /etc in an attempt to find the ancient lost artifact, A Fucking Working Configuration![/quote]
If you want something that genuinely deserves having the Indiana Jones music on in the background, check out the website for Latex. ;)
If you want something for making analogies with the Necronomicon, we also must mention X. Perverted? Check. Blasphemous? Check. Likely to send you howling, barking, raving insane if you delve too deeply into its' unholy innards? Check.
Only if by "business-friendly" you mean "easy for businesses to take while giving nothing in return".
Paranoia about reciprocity, again. You know, it's interesting how few of the people I see that support this meme, actually write code.
Actually, the true scene of "pirates" is still going strong oldskool on FTP servers. Nothing much has changed in years there.
Darknets, you mean? Bedroom 0day FTPs stopped being advertised on IRC at least, years ago.
Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL, PHP.
Postgres is BSD licensed. Even if the parent company is the victim of a hostile takeover, that means you can fork the existing codebase, and keep developing and using it. It also means that it doesn't have the viral aspect of the GPL, either; so it's more business friendly as well.
Just because you can describe a system doesn't make it easy to design or implement. You basically just said "It's simple! Just put a SQL backed php application on a server and back it up! Make sure it's good too!".
How did I know I was going to get this sort of response?
You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. If I respond to people abusively, I get called a troll and accused of producing flamebait. Yet if I try and write something positive and constructive, I get some small minded, brainless insect like you responding to me. Responding constantly to people about how something *can't* be done, is not useful.
This is what Open Source software is up against. It's truly brutal. That said, never give up fighting, but it has to be done at the highest levels.
From the sounds of things, trying to do it at the highest levels, is exactly the *wrong* way to go about it.
UNIX was originally developed, so the story goes, with a couple of PDP-11s in an abandoned corner somewhere. Cheap, low profile, inconspicuous.
Likewise, if you're a sysadmin trying to get FOSS in the door, don't make a big noise about it. Go to a garage sale on the weekend, or a used electronics place, and buy a $200-$300 headless 3 ghz box, and then install FreeBSD on it at home over the weekend. Sneak it into the office next morning, and leave it quietly near your desk, hooked up to your other systems.
If the boss asks any questions, it's just a little something that you've got there, to pull out of your hat if the main system goes to hell, and you need to get back on your feet in a hurry. That's how most shops I've read about use OpenBSD. It might not be part of their standard deployment, but they have a single box sitting quietly and vigilantly in a corner somewhere; it's the proverbial phone booth system.
Fear of change can be a healthy thing, if not taken to excess...but once management has seen Puffy save the day a couple of times, they'll come around. ;)
Is the open source solution close enough to the needs of the Ontario government that, as the article alleges, all you need to do is buy some servers and set it up and there are negligible other costs? I seriously doubt it. I would be willing to bet heavily against it. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably hasn't spent much time developing software for government.
I haven't, no...but what are said needs?
I'm assuming that the main component of a record system is going to be a database. You'll also need a usable system and interface for entering and retrieving said records into the DB. You're also going to want to do SQL dumps and periodic offsite backups, so that if anything goes wrong, you can get the data back.
Of course, it will also be very important to ensure that the operating system the database is hosted on, is as robust as possible, to minimise the possibility of crashes; as well as a strong filesystem for times when you need to make a lot of queries at once. Even though that system is meant for servers, you can still make it user friendly for your administrative staff as well, if you need to.
If you're going to want the records accessible from outside the hospital, you'll probably also want to make sure that they are protected by a couple of very secure firewalls, as well, since it could potentially mean the loss of someone's life if they get cracked.
Finally, they will need to make sure that whoever puts the network together does so according to sound administration principles, as well.
Wait, how'd you know GP is American? /tinfoil
Well of course, I have to be an American. After all, we all know that no other country exists. So where else could I possibly be from? ;)
Bad and sloppy code gets found, fixed qickly, and is met with hoots of derision from other developers.
If it's in kernel space, and especially if it's considered a threat to security, then yes. If it's in user space, however, it's just as likely to get ignored as in a commercial scenario.
If bugs always got fixed in userspace for Linux, ALSA in particular wouldn't be the steaming pile that it is.
I'm really getting fed up with the regurgitation of brainless mind control and groupthink on Slashdot. Don't just parrot rhetoric that you see someone else write, and start learning to use your own fucking brain. It's getting seriously infuriating.
I don't want either one, I want GNU, but unfortunately, they refuse to create a useful kernel
Can I ask why?
"The batteries are safe under normal operating conditions."
Ergo, instant nuclear bomb; just add sledge hammer. ;)
Can I ask one of my more scientifically oriented friends here on Slashdot; could this discovery potentially tell us more about how a water cycle initially starts, now that we've got another example of it happening, besides our own?
I'm assuming that this being modded down to 0, Troll was the usual FSF enforcement action against dissenting opinion.
I'm really looking forward to a time when you stop doing that, guys. It's wrong, and it doesn't do anything other than make you look bad.
Are there any routers available that do have completely open firmware/whatever else?
If so, buy those, the end. Activism means nothing, hate sites filled with spam like the FSF produce mean nothing. Businesses don't care about those, because they don't have to.
As the saying goes, money talks, and bullshit walks. Give yours to companies who produce the types of products that you want to buy.
No flaming, no flaps, no noise, no controversy. It's simple, it's quiet, and it can be effective.
This sounds more like an "impulse drive" to me. I'm growing more convinced every day that Gene Roddenberry came to us from the future.
I suspect the more elegant explanation is that at some point or another, he and Majel dropped acid. ;)
Maybe a second fork from pre-license change XFree86, emphasizing on correctness instead of features and instead of support for hardware that long-time computer professionals don't use in the first place is the way to go.
I could be wrong about this, but my gut tells me that a secondary patch project could help.
When X.org do a base release, then after all the jerry rigging people have to do, to get it working with their various distributions/systems, if said people could make patches of said modifications, and then submit them to a repository for such.
It would save probably a lot of time and duplication of effort, because if Debian or whoever else manage to fix a certain bug, anyone else who went to the repo and was having the same bug, could get that patch, and either maybe modify it if needed, or simply slot it straight in.
Another reason why I think that could really help X, is because (as an example) I wanted to re-enable the ability to hit control-alt-backspace to kill an X session when it hangs. I have a 3d video card with bad vram, and so if I'm playing World of Warcraft sometimes, and X freezes, if I can't get out and have to reboot the machine, it means that because the hard disk was still mounted, it can damage the partition.
The X people however decided to make that disabled by default, to supposedly help new users. Given the size of X, I'm assuming there are probably a lot of obscure options like that, which some people need, and some people don't. A patch repository could offer patches where such functionality was turned on or off by certain patches, as people wanted.
...it will be initially written in Awk, and its' native operating system will be NetBSD.