Haha I'm the webmaster. It was such a technicality that php wasn't "open source" that it was funny. In spirit, PHP has always been open source. The license just needed a formal tweak.
While I believe what you write is true. They often see loss of control as something that will hurt them.
I think it is a miracle that this is the conclusion they've come to. Especially in a collective!
No, freedom to own slaves is the dark side of having free will.
Having the freedom from me doing that does not make you free. You are protected, but not free. They are not the same and to believe they are is a delusion.
All I'm saying is not to fool yourself that one is the other. They are not.
As to your rant "GPL forever, BSD'ers are traitors who will be stood against the wall when the time comes." You are obviously goading me. If not beware the slogan chanters and flag wavers.
This may be an appropriate time to write something that has brewing within the recesses of my mind for years... The GPL is about the Freedom From things. Freedom from having someone use the programs in something that is not "free'.
The BSD license is about the Freedom TO do something. Take this code & have a nice day.
"Freedom from" is not freedom, it is protection. It is a good thing[TM]. It really is. Our environment dictates such actions sometimes, but really, to call it free software is as accurate as the Iraqi Information Minister's various speechs. It is twisting of a good word and confusing it.
Remember, that I still claim it is a good thing before modding me.
Try OSDir.com -for users more than developers.
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This guy, I think, is confusing end-users with developers. FM and SF repositories of code and code ideas is a good thing[TM].
OSDir.com on the O'Reilly Network is a nice showcase to users of what is out there that's good, stable, and beyond 'beta' project wise.
I started OSDir as a showcase to end-users and now that it's on O'Reilly it is beginning to get a lot of eyeballs from folks who want to become familiar with open source and want to try stuff out.
YES IT IS! You NEVER run out of cash! Geez, this is one of the very most basic, street-level business things. This is such a primitive, such a fundamental concept that to ignore it is unforgivable.
Did you even take a second to think about what I wrote??
People run out of cash all the time & hit up people for short term loans or "gifts". I'm sure you've never had that happen to you? And were you good for it later? Maybe not, but I think Mandrake will be if the economy ever lightens up.
Don't forget that at this time in the economy it is tough to get financing out of anyone. Even with a good business model. Sure the upside is better, but the risk is also the inverse.
All I'm saying is that people shouldn't bash mandrake for what may be simply a bad time to be in business. Shit does happen.
Guys, before bashing Mandrake seriously consider that being in a Cash Crunch -is not- the same as having a poor business model.
Lot's of good companies go out of business because they didn't have the cash at the right time. Their business model is strong and they have friends in high places (WalMart?) to make them a success.
I believe that the mark has to actually be in use prior to registering. Once some organizations use it, it makes a strong case for official 'registration' of it as a trademark.
IANAL.
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I was in attendence at the creative commons talk at the O'Reilly Conf. The one thing that struck me is that this organization does not seem to be aimed soley at creating an simple 'public domain' license. While they are working on that they also have numerous 'restrictions' that they are playing with that an author can tack onto the license.
One thing that struck me is that this approach, while bringing people, their license, and their artistic product closer to the public domain than it would be otherwise with the automatic copyrighting that occurs know these are -not- going to be public domain works when these restrictions are applied to a basic license.
While this is still a step in the right direction do not be confused that adding restrictions like 'not for commercial use' or 'you can't make derivitive works (unless you contact me)' puts a work into a public domain. These restictions are closer and better(?), but still not a public domain work when you really chew on this concept.
One presenter was very bias'd toward companies using a work for 'commercial use' and was very intent on pushing that restriction. I was very uncomfortable with that position coming from someone at this organization. A next absurd step in that thinking, though you might know someone like this, is to add further restrictions that make sense to the person who owns the work, but not to the rest of us. "not for us in Iran", "not for use in the southern US."
Regardless of whether you believe these restrictions are justified or not is another issue. Adding restrictions is not my idea of a "public domain".
Don't stray too much outside of apps you know work, are stable and have working features!
Nothing turns off a newbie more than after hearing how wonderful open-source/free software/Linux etc is than playing with some 'alpha' product & seeing it crash and burn. They'll run back to their win box faster than it (winbox) can reboot.
Folks outside of the loop don't understand "release early, release often' yet.
Don't be so quick to lump poor business models with a cash-flow problem.
Sure, Darwin takes out the occasional 'unlucky' species, but that doesn't mean he ought to. I believe that this is a case of the wrong circumstances at the wrong time. Given the situation, I'd bet they do fine once this is over with.
I live on both sides of the fence. I run an open source site while running a business.
These are bad times. And people and companies are getting caught in unlucky positions financially. Business is about risks, yes. Mandrake is in a short-term cashflow crunch. This is a real bitch of a position to be in so don't discount it as poor management or a flawed business model so quickly! It happens. Period.
Now, these are hard times financially for everyone. I've seen it suggested here that they should issue stock. I'm not sure why they don't, but I'm not involved in a public company myself so I won't second guess them. Perhaps that is a Plan B. Afterall shouldn't we support them first?? My point is that you can get caught in a cashcrunch when you conduct business in the real world of running a business. And you can call it unlucky .
No, your personal financial situation is not a fair comparison. It is no where near the same thing. I hope anyway.
Since 9/11 and the 'recession' banks and other lender are not eager to lend money to cover cashflow. Mostly becuase they were also caught with their cashflow down or are exposed to more loss than would be normal.
Don't be so hard on Mandrake. If one of your friends needed $20 till payday would you cover it? Sure you would. I'd hope so. I hope that Mandrake's msg is upfront and that their future is bright. In the mean time if they need $20 till payday I'm there for them.
A cashcrunch is not a direct bi-product of a poor business model. Perhap management can be blamed, but judging from the current economic climate I would bet this Mandrake's situation is nothing more than being unlucky. They got caught in a bad time with little financial stregth. This happens more than you'd think. I'm sure a recession and 9/11 weren't in their business plans either.
A cashcrunch is not a direct bi-product of a poor business model. Perhap management can be blamed, but judging from the current economic climate I would bet this Mandrake's situation is nothing more than being unlucky.
They got caught in a bad time with little financial stregth. This happens more than you'd think. I'm sure a recession and 9/11 weren't in their business plans either.
I'm a bit late posting this. I hope it will still be considered for modding up.
I live on both sides of the fence. I run an open source site while running a business.
These are bad times. And people and companies are getting caught in unlucky positions financially. Business is about risks, yes. Mandrake is in a short-term cashflow crunch. This is a real bitch of a position to be in so don't discount it as poor management or a flawed business model so quickly! It happens. Period.
Now, these are hard times financially for everyone. I've seen it suggested here that they should issue stock. I'm not sure why they don't, but I'm not involved in a public company myself so I won't second guess them. Perhaps that is a Plan B. Afterall shouldn't we support them first?? My point is that you can get caught in a cashcrunch when you conduct business in the real world of running a business. And you can call it unlucky.
No, your personal financial situation is not a fair comparison. It is no where near the same thing. I hope anyway.
Since 9/11 and the 'recession' banks and other lender are not eager to lend money to cover cashflow. Mostly becuase they were also caught with their cashflow down or are exposed to more loss than would be normal.
Don't be so hard on Mandrake. If one of your friends needed $20 till payday would you cover it? Sure you would. I'd hope so. I hope that Mandrake's msg is upfront and that their future is bright. In the mean time if they need $20 till payday I'm there for them.
Hmm, I didn't claim it was right. Thought I personally don't have a big problem with things as they stand. I'm actually surprised there is a little piracy as there is.
Don't be such a doorknob. The story is clearly not about pirating $10 shareware. Do you even have to rip shareware? Hardly. Not to mention that shareware generally will take those odds into consideration of the 1 in a 1000 registering.
People concern themselves with Pirating $200 patches of software that should have worked the first time & people getting thrown in jail for asserting fair use of programs/IP etc....
People generally feel it is ok to pirate software because it is one way they can actually take back some power from the many times they as consumers, or otherwise, are ripped off.
People probably wouldn't pirate software if they felt they received 'fair value' from the software or other goods they buy or are forced to use.
*Note to MicroSoft. You can't suck and blow at the same time!
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Haha I'm the webmaster. It was such a technicality that php wasn't "open source" that it was funny. In spirit, PHP has always been open source. The license just needed a formal tweak.
While I believe what you write is true. They often see loss of control as something that will hurt them. I think it is a miracle that this is the conclusion they've come to. Especially in a collective!
No, freedom to own slaves is the dark side of having free will. Having the freedom from me doing that does not make you free. You are protected, but not free. They are not the same and to believe they are is a delusion. All I'm saying is not to fool yourself that one is the other. They are not. As to your rant "GPL forever, BSD'ers are traitors who will be stood against the wall when the time comes." You are obviously goading me. If not beware the slogan chanters and flag wavers.
This may be an appropriate time to write something that has brewing within the recesses of my mind for years... The GPL is about the Freedom From things. Freedom from having someone use the programs in something that is not "free'.
The BSD license is about the Freedom TO do something. Take this code & have a nice day.
"Freedom from" is not freedom, it is protection. It is a good thing[TM]. It really is. Our environment dictates such actions sometimes, but really, to call it free software is as accurate as the Iraqi Information Minister's various speechs. It is twisting of a good word and confusing it.
Remember, that I still claim it is a good thing before modding me.
OSDir.com on the O'Reilly Network is a nice showcase to users of what is out there that's good, stable, and beyond 'beta' project wise.
I started OSDir as a showcase to end-users and now that it's on O'Reilly it is beginning to get a lot of eyeballs from folks who want to become familiar with open source and want to try stuff out.
Son of PervisionTracker, it's...Useless Freshmeat, SourceForge (and others) Projects
Did you even take a second to think about what I wrote??
People run out of cash all the time & hit up people for short term loans or "gifts". I'm sure you've never had that happen to you? And were you good for it later? Maybe not, but I think Mandrake will be if the economy ever lightens up.
All I'm saying is that people shouldn't bash mandrake for what may be simply a bad time to be in business. Shit does happen.
Lot's of good companies go out of business because they didn't have the cash at the right time. Their business model is strong and they have friends in high places (WalMart?) to make them a success.
Sorry I was out.
Hey!
I believe that the mark has to actually be in use prior to registering. Once some organizations use it, it makes a strong case for official 'registration' of it as a trademark. IANAL.
One thing that struck me is that this approach, while bringing people, their license, and their artistic product closer to the public domain than it would be otherwise with the automatic copyrighting that occurs know these are -not- going to be public domain works when these restrictions are applied to a basic license.
While this is still a step in the right direction do not be confused that adding restrictions like 'not for commercial use' or 'you can't make derivitive works (unless you contact me)' puts a work into a public domain. These restictions are closer and better(?), but still not a public domain work when you really chew on this concept.
One presenter was very bias'd toward companies using a work for 'commercial use' and was very intent on pushing that restriction. I was very uncomfortable with that position coming from someone at this organization. A next absurd step in that thinking, though you might know someone like this, is to add further restrictions that make sense to the person who owns the work, but not to the rest of us. "not for us in Iran", "not for use in the southern US."
Regardless of whether you believe these restrictions are justified or not is another issue. Adding restrictions is not my idea of a "public domain".
Nothing turns off a newbie more than after hearing how wonderful open-source/free software/Linux etc is than playing with some 'alpha' product & seeing it crash and burn. They'll run back to their win box faster than it (winbox) can reboot.
Folks outside of the loop don't understand "release early, release often' yet.
This was a short-term cash crunch which is not the same as losing money.
Sure, Darwin takes out the occasional 'unlucky' species, but that doesn't mean he ought to. I believe that this is a case of the wrong circumstances at the wrong time. Given the situation, I'd bet they do fine once this is over with.
These are bad times. And people and companies are getting caught in unlucky positions financially. Business is about risks, yes. Mandrake is in a short-term cashflow crunch. This is a real bitch of a position to be in so don't discount it as poor management or a flawed business model so quickly! It happens. Period.
Now, these are hard times financially for everyone. I've seen it suggested here that they should issue stock. I'm not sure why they don't, but I'm not involved in a public company myself so I won't second guess them. Perhaps that is a Plan B. Afterall shouldn't we support them first?? My point is that you can get caught in a cashcrunch when you conduct business in the real world of running a business. And you can call it unlucky .
No, your personal financial situation is not a fair comparison. It is no where near the same thing. I hope anyway.
Since 9/11 and the 'recession' banks and other lender are not eager to lend money to cover cashflow. Mostly becuase they were also caught with their cashflow down or are exposed to more loss than would be normal.
Don't be so hard on Mandrake. If one of your friends needed $20 till payday would you cover it? Sure you would. I'd hope so. I hope that Mandrake's msg is upfront and that their future is bright. In the mean time if they need $20 till payday I'm there for them.
A cashcrunch is not a direct bi-product of a poor business model. Perhap management can be blamed, but judging from the current economic climate I would bet this Mandrake's situation is nothing more than being unlucky. They got caught in a bad time with little financial stregth. This happens more than you'd think. I'm sure a recession and 9/11 weren't in their business plans either.
A cashcrunch is not a direct bi-product of a poor business model. Perhap management can be blamed, but judging from the current economic climate I would bet this Mandrake's situation is nothing more than being unlucky. They got caught in a bad time with little financial stregth. This happens more than you'd think. I'm sure a recession and 9/11 weren't in their business plans either.
I live on both sides of the fence. I run an open source site while running a business.
These are bad times. And people and companies are getting caught in unlucky positions financially. Business is about risks, yes. Mandrake is in a short-term cashflow crunch. This is a real bitch of a position to be in so don't discount it as poor management or a flawed business model so quickly! It happens. Period.
Now, these are hard times financially for everyone. I've seen it suggested here that they should issue stock. I'm not sure why they don't, but I'm not involved in a public company myself so I won't second guess them. Perhaps that is a Plan B. Afterall shouldn't we support them first?? My point is that you can get caught in a cashcrunch when you conduct business in the real world of running a business. And you can call it unlucky .
No, your personal financial situation is not a fair comparison. It is no where near the same thing. I hope anyway.
Since 9/11 and the 'recession' banks and other lender are not eager to lend money to cover cashflow. Mostly becuase they were also caught with their cashflow down or are exposed to more loss than would be normal.
Don't be so hard on Mandrake. If one of your friends needed $20 till payday would you cover it? Sure you would. I'd hope so. I hope that Mandrake's msg is upfront and that their future is bright. In the mean time if they need $20 till payday I'm there for them.
So I have. Here, and Cheers from the Great White North.
Again, I don't claim it is right, just that people feel right or justified in doing a wrong thing to right the wrong.
Hmm, I didn't claim it was right. Thought I personally don't have a big problem with things as they stand. I'm actually surprised there is a little piracy as there is.
People concern themselves with Pirating $200 patches of software that should have worked the first time & people getting thrown in jail for asserting fair use of programs/IP etc....
People probably wouldn't pirate software if they felt they received 'fair value' from the software or other goods they buy or are forced to use.
*Note to MicroSoft. You can't suck and blow at the same time!