If you feel that once you consider the price and features, Linux was the way to go for your new computer -- fair enough, and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise. But to claim it's because the licensing scheme is unfair is pretty low.
Migrate as retire one and part it out for some parts re-use. My cheapness is part of the cutting edge. I often re-use my existing case, keyboard, monitor, etc. My current Core 2 Duo running Feisty is using an second hand (I repaired the power supply) Dell flatscreen monitor which is only 2 years old. The floppy drive is re-cycled. It works, why replace it? The keyboard is the oldest part. I don't need a Windows key and I like the clacky IBM keyboards, so right now I am using a IMB Model M clacky keyboard manufactured in June of 1996. I just couldn't migrate Windows XP due to it's restrictions. This moved the cost from a re-usable part to a disposable part requiring re-purchase to use, unlike my keyboard, mouse, monitor, floppy, case and such. At no time did I say make an illegal copy of the operating system. I said migrate off obsolete hardware.
If that makes me a cheap bastard, so be it. Instead of the family fighting for time on one PC, we are able to build several and spread the joy. As a family, we have a budget. Being able to build that Core 2 Duo machine was a sweet deal, but it only happened with a few recycled parts as are all my major upgrades. Only the Dell is considered non-upgradeable and disposable. The other machines may get a new motherboard and CPU at any time. The Dell XP machine will never see a Quad core motherboard. XP dies with the Pentium 4. I may save the case if I can fit in another power supply and motherboard later, but it won't have XP or a Vista upgrade then.
I'm not looking to buy (Pay another MS tax) another copy of XP. I was looking for the ability to transfer the one I already have minus the cruft. As it stands, XP dies with the machine it rode in on. I have no reason to buy another license key for XP.
if you lose your keycode. You still paid for the license and are legally entitled to it.)
Not according to the BSA and the WGA education sites. Windows is not genuine without the sticker attached to the case of the computer on which it is installed on. Lost sticker, lost keycode, lost receipt.. all are items which the BSA will use to consider an installation pirated.
Directly from the Microsoft website regarding counterfeit copies...
Certificate of Authenticity (COA) is a label that helps you identify genuine Microsoft software. A COA is not a software license - it is a visual identifier that assists in determining whether or not the Microsoft software you are running is genuine. However, without it, you will not have a legal license to run Microsoft software. A COA should never be purchased by itself without the software it authenticates.
My bad. I mixed up the names. I skipped Edgy and simply went from Dapper (still running) and put Feisty on the new Core 2 Duo box. I'll try Gutsy when it's out of Beta later this month. Maybe it will play nicer with my NAS.
I recommend keeping a Home OEM and Pro OEM copy around at all times, just in case, and just use the legal code from the PC Case to do the reinstall.
It's not legal for me to have both the Home and Pro copies. I'll have to check into the price of the OEM discs. I presume they are priced for the media only and contain no license as the license is in the sticker on the machine.
I didn't know that, since I had a dell OEM copy running on a homemade white box for a year before I moved over to Edgy...
I didn't know it would install on other hardware. I'm so used to all the other Norton Ghost disks that are vendor specific that fails on anything that isn't the genuine model it was made for.
I'm going to try Edgy when it's out of Beta. Maybe at the rebuild, I'll dual boot to run Turbo Tax.
I worked for a small shop and we bought OEM disks and there was none of that problem. In fact, I use the same disks with a (legal) Dell OEM code to reload Dells without the cruft and have no problems.
Tell me more about reloading OEM Dell XP without the Cruft! Can it be done with the discs that shipped with the PC, or do you have to buy a replacement copy from Dell sans cruft?
The "recovery CD" that came with your Dell doesn't include Windows, it includes all the machine-specific drivers only. The Windows CD/DVD that came with your Dell will work on any piece of hardware as long as you have a valid OEM number.
This I didn't know. It has been about 3 years since the hard disk failure and re-install.
Technically, OEM numbers aren't transferrable between computers, but in reality Microsoft will always re-activate it if you ask.
It is prohibited in the EULA. It was a big part of the "Education Campaign" for WGA and one of the points of pirated copies in the BSA attacks. I saw the tied to a single box of parts as a WTF??? and started looking at more user friendly alternatives. WGA, BSA, EULA, Single seat non-transferrable all suck. Even if playing "Mother may I" with MS to get a case by case exception to the non-transferrable OEM install of XP is permitted, it's just not worth it. There are better legal software licenses out there.
I'm building a newer PC and do all the time. Re-using XP from an OEM Dell on the new hardware is forbidden last time I checked.
This is why I thanked Microsoft. Instead of biting the bullet and throwing away a copy of XP with the Dell and then buying a new copy of XP for the new hardware, I tried the alternative. WGA and the tie of XP and Vista to the OEM Dell, HP and other machines is good for Open Source. You can migrate your data, but not your Microsoft OS. Thanks again for the nudge out of the nest.
Perhaps something for Vista, or Media Center Edition? All of the Dells I've seen in the last year or two come with a recovery CD that works just fine on any machine. It's basically a regular WinXP install CD with a Dell label on it.
XP home edition on about a 5 year old Dell. I'll have to grab the disk. I haven't used it since the hard drive was replaced. I thought it was a Norton Ghost hard drive image, not an install disk.
What you need to do is enter the OEM license from the sticker on the PC you're reloading.
You missed the point. It's the move from an older machine to the new white box I make that is forbidden. Has this changed? Can I take the old Dell disc when I retire the Dell an install XP home on the Core 2 Duo PC I just built? I didn't think that was permitted which is the point I was trying to make. If I am wrong, then I'll move XP to newer hardware instead of having it die with the older hardware. In short, I'm not reloading the original PC. I'm building a newer PC and do all the time. Re-using XP from an OEM Dell on the new hardware is forbidden last time I checked.
I think your fear of calling MS is unfounded. The phone people are tools and getting your registration updated is as simple as saying 'This is the only hardware this OS is installed on.' when they ask.
That may be OK for a retail boxed version that comes with an install disk. This isn't OK for the OEM factory installed system. Just try to use a Dell recovery DVD on a homebuilt box. The EULA forbids the OS transfer and the recovery DVD program won't recover to another machine. With that in mind, the WGA hasn't actualy been tested. I just figured it was registered with a genuine Dell model XXXXXX and anything else is "Not Genuine".
Therefore I didn't even try when I built a Core 2 Duo box to play with. I just stuck Feisty on it and enjoyed it.
What issues does Feisty Fawn have that Dapper Drake
If you don't use the eye-candy and set it up from the default 2 desktops to 4 or 6, then you get desktops without toolbars. It's hard to switch desktops if you don't know the keyboard shortcut and the toolbar is missing. The networking is a little changed for SMB workgroups, so I can log into my server and transfer files just fine on my Dapper Drake box, but for some reason my Fiesty box hangs in a transfer. It crashes one Simple Share NAS of mine every time. On the other one, the transfer starts at 0 bytes transfered and the estimated time for the transfer just climbs past 30 hours till it fails.
Internet connectivity through my router and downloads are great. It's just the local LAN that has trouble. Someday, as I learn it, I may figure out what the bug is, but till then, I can't save files to my backup drive. I have to use a thumb drive then save them from the Dapper machine as a temporary work around.
Other than those minor annoyances, Fiesty has been great. The native support for video capture cards (I use the PVR150 MCE) and it's connectivity to popular portable music players has been outstanding.
Getting stuff off the box onto my backup has been a problem.
But they do sell unlocked phones directly to the public, so what's your freakin' problem?
I just visited the Nokia site. I looked at their phones. The have SOME models for sale without a plan. Quick, how much is a 6030 classic phone without a plan? Sorry..
The list of inexpensive phones without a plan (unlocked) is dismal.
Vista is one of the best things that ever happened to free software. It's later, more restrictive more expensive and less functional than anyone could possibly have imagined. There is zero enthusiasm for it and a plenty of rejection.
One of the best parts is WGA. Microsoft doesn't have the users who build their custom machines, but decide against the cost of the MS retail boxed version taxes. Spending $600-1200 on a custom box build soon finds the cost of an OS and Office suite a good part of building that can no longer be migrated from the old box. Alternatives to expensive restrictive software are now part of the cost decision.
I used to upgrade hardware re-using my legal copy of Windows 98. XP and Vista have ended that process. XP now simply means it is residing on the oldest slowest machine in the house as it is not upgradable (without playing mother-may-I with Microsoft who may say no way). Vista is the same dead end. I am test driving Ubuntu Dapper Drake (the long term support distro), Fiesty Fawn (newer but has issues), and Freespire (out of the box rich Web browsing with codecs and flash) on my new home built hardware. XP will retire on the hardware it arrived on. In it's lifetime it only got a hard drive repalcement due to hardware failure and a memory upgrade. It won't be moving on to a Core 2 Duo box simply due to the EULA, vendor hardware specific recovery disc, and WGA to enforce it.
Thank You Microsoft for closing the door on software re-use, right of first sale, and encouraging me to expand my horizons. I have learned the advantages first hand of not runing with administrator privilages, Software not vendor tied to hardware, open standards, community developement, GNU GPL, and no longer dealing with a per seat restrictive EULA.
Thank You Red Hat, Caldera (pre SCO), Novell SUSE, Mozilla, Sun Microsystems, IBM, ODF, EFF, Adobe, and everyone else who made this possible.
The important paragraph is near the bottom. "Cannot Authenticate to a Shared Folder from a Windows Vista-based Computer If you cannot authenticate when accessing a shared folder from a Windows Vista-based computer on a computer running a version of Windows prior to Windows XP (such as Windows 98 or Windows 95), a computer running an operating system other than Microsoft Windows, or to a network device, the cause might be a mismatch in the configured support for NTLM 2, an authentication protocol that is used for file and printer sharing connections. By default, Windows Vista is configured to use NTLM 2.
To resolve this issue, you can do one of the following:"
The basic gist is change everything else, even if you can't write code for your firmware.
If you can't, then change Vista but this is not recommended. I fall into the catagory of running an operating system other than Windows. It is in firmware. Care to edit my firmware? Ditching my encrypted fileserver is not an option.
I thought that the proper term for US "war fighters" was "queer"?
Try keeping up with the news. Over there in the perfect state of Iran where nothing is out of place, they are having a couple problems. Drugs from Afghanistan and gay sex and AIDS.
Unless a Democrat is in charge. How fast can we withdrawal our troops?
Hats off to our troops! We are finally taking the war back to their turf. The war started years before 9/11. After 9/11 we decided to no longer ignore them as insignificant. My only question is why are we waiting for IRAQ to finish building a nuke? Are we going to do anything when they nuke Israel? We didn't get involved in the second world war until Japan bombed Pear Harbor. Just how bad do you want it to get before we take serious action? Are we waiting for the nuke?
All they have to do is predict these random numbers ahead of time... Using a dice.
I had trouble at the local casino. 1 They noticed my random number generator. 2 I had trouble getting my random number generator in sync with their seed and key. I didn't have enough data to brute force the key.
Connecting to wireless is as easy as clicking on the freaking ballon that says, networks are available, click to connect to one,
Granted, DHCP is easy. Most of my machines are Ubuntu. As such my router is set up for WEP not WPA. I know big security no-no. I don't have many neighbors so the number of drive by leaches is low. To discourage matters, the DHCP range is in a blocked range in the router. A DHCP lease gets you no internet.
How long will it take you to find how to set up a static IP address and DNS for the first time on a Vista machine? Click and point on an access point is the easy part. Finding where to put a static IP address is another. I have a printer. It's address is 192.168.1.101/lp1. How long will it take you for the first time to properly print a test page from Vista. Good luck. It is much easer in any older version of Windows, mac, or Linux.
The back-up of the My Documents folder is on a Linux based SMB share with a password username combo. How long will it take you to log-in and start the file transfer? (Don't pull a number out of air based on a guess. Hint, a registry edit is required to get a working login, but make the assumption you don't know that yet) My first Vista to NAS login took more than 3 hours. Much of it on Google. Vista by default is unable to login to a Windows Workgroup SMB share with a password.
You need to read down to the bottom of the page for this gem hidden in the fine print. If you cannot authenticate when accessing a shared folder from a Windows Vista-based computer on a computer running a version of Windows prior to Windows XP (such as Windows 98 or Windows 95), a computer running an operating system other than Microsoft Windows, or to a network device, the cause might be a mismatch in the configured support for NTLM 2, an authentication protocol that is used for file and printer sharing connections. By default, Windows Vista is configured to use NTLM 2.
To resolve this issue, you can do one of the following:
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Enable NTLM 2 support on the computer or device to which the Windows Vista-based computer is attempting to connect. For computers running versions of Windows prior to Windows XP, see How to enable NTLM 2 authentication. For computers running operating systems other than Windows, see the operating system's product documentation for information about how to enable NTLM 2 support. For network devices, see the device's product documentation or Web site for information about how to enable NTLM 2 support or download a firmware update that supports NTLM 2. This is the preferred solution.
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If you cannot update the computers running operating systems other than Windows or your network devices to support NTLM 2, change the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\LMCompatibilityLevel registry value on the computer running Windows Vista to 1. This solution is not recommended.
If you didn't know this ahead of time, just how long would it have taken you to log into a Linux SAMBA share and started a file transfer. Getting logged in was the problem.
I like the don't change Vista, change the entire rest of your network solution
Setting up accounts is hard on Vista? Wow, then you better run from any *nix. Control Panel -> User accounts -> Create new account (Type Name and Password, select security level) Done...
I didn't say setting up users was hard in Vista. I did say, that the initial time waste of the initial power up software installs, network and net printer setup, and recovery disc creation pushed out that task to the following day simply because I ran out of day.
Did you know that Vista requires a registry edit to enable it to connect to a home Windows Workgroup using password protected shares?
You are either making up a good story are just full of crap.
Costco.. model dv6604cl Purchased this week.
The slip in the box states;
Restore your system without discs
Your computer includes a new system recovery feature that does not require CDs or DVDs.
If you need to repair your system, you can do it from the hard drive or from your own set of recovery discs.
To burn your own set of recovery discs, select Start> Recovery Manager > click Advanced Options > Recovery disc creation.
Having personally broken the HP security tape on the box and completing the inventory of the contents, I can assure you there are no recovery discs in the box. At the bottom of the page it states,
Important: HP recommends that you create recovery discs to be sure that you can restore your system to its original factory state if you experience serious system failure or instability.
If you want to order recovery media instead of creating your own discs, contact HP at: htt;://www.hp.com
Copyright 2007 Hewlett-Packard Development Company I.P
If anything, Vista has made the prices of buying a new OEM computer rise, not to mention the fact that the cost of getting hardware "verified", and the new specs imposed by Vista on such hardware.
The opposite is true. There is so much unsold Vista hardware out there now, that if you watch the specials, you can get dual core laptops for under $400. MS gets their tax while the hardware manufactures are eating the loss.
If you are trying to say a Vista machine is ready to use out of the box, I'll call you on that.
Just for time comparisons, I'll let you take a brand new HP Vista laptop, Power it up, make a set of recovery disks, connect wireless, and create a couple user accounts.
I'm still recovering from doing that yesterday. The time from powering it on till I could get a start button.. 40 minutes. Burn recovery CD's.. It took a long time to create the files before it asked for media, either 2 DVD's or 11 CD's I don't know how long it took, I took a break to run my kid to a friends house after school while I was waiting. I went with the fast option and picked DVD's. I don't know how long it took to actualy burn the DVD's I had to break for dinner. Burning the DVD's is a 3 step process, create an image (thought that was already done but I guess not) Burn the DVD, and then verify the DVD. You get only one shot to do this. The instructions clearly state only one recovered disk set can be made.
Installing Ubuntu on my other machine, getting online, getting updates and setting up user accounts took far less time. It wasn't an all day project that ran over to another day.
I gotta go, I need to deal with setting up a subscription to the AV software and complete the product activation.
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If you feel that once you consider the price and features, Linux was the way to go for your new computer -- fair enough, and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise. But to claim it's because the licensing scheme is unfair is pretty low.
Migrate as retire one and part it out for some parts re-use. My cheapness is part of the cutting edge. I often re-use my existing case, keyboard, monitor, etc. My current Core 2 Duo running Feisty is using an second hand (I repaired the power supply) Dell flatscreen monitor which is only 2 years old. The floppy drive is re-cycled. It works, why replace it? The keyboard is the oldest part. I don't need a Windows key and I like the clacky IBM keyboards, so right now I am using a IMB Model M clacky keyboard manufactured in June of 1996. I just couldn't migrate Windows XP due to it's restrictions. This moved the cost from a re-usable part to a disposable part requiring re-purchase to use, unlike my keyboard, mouse, monitor, floppy, case and such. At no time did I say make an illegal copy of the operating system. I said migrate off obsolete hardware.
If that makes me a cheap bastard, so be it. Instead of the family fighting for time on one PC, we are able to build several and spread the joy. As a family, we have a budget. Being able to build that Core 2 Duo machine was a sweet deal, but it only happened with a few recycled parts as are all my major upgrades. Only the Dell is considered non-upgradeable and disposable. The other machines may get a new motherboard and CPU at any time. The Dell XP machine will never see a Quad core motherboard. XP dies with the Pentium 4. I may save the case if I can fit in another power supply and motherboard later, but it won't have XP or a Vista upgrade then.
No, they come with a license key.
I'm not looking to buy (Pay another MS tax) another copy of XP. I was looking for the ability to transfer the one I already have minus the cruft. As it stands, XP dies with the machine it rode in on. I have no reason to buy another license key for XP.
if you lose your keycode. You still paid for the license and are legally entitled to it.)
Not according to the BSA and the WGA education sites. Windows is not genuine without the sticker attached to the case of the computer on which it is installed on. Lost sticker, lost keycode, lost receipt.. all are items which the BSA will use to consider an installation pirated.
Directly from the Microsoft website regarding counterfeit copies...
Certificate of Authenticity (COA) is a label that helps you identify genuine Microsoft software. A COA is not a software license - it is a visual identifier that assists in determining whether or not the Microsoft software you are running is genuine. However, without it, you will not have a legal license to run Microsoft software. A COA should never be purchased by itself without the software it authenticates.
In short, no sticker = counterfeit copy.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/content.aspx?displaylang=en&pg=coa
Gutsy is in beta, Edgy is one release back
My bad. I mixed up the names. I skipped Edgy and simply went from Dapper (still running) and put Feisty on the new Core 2 Duo box. I'll try Gutsy when it's out of Beta later this month. Maybe it will play nicer with my NAS.
I recommend keeping a Home OEM and Pro OEM copy around at all times, just in case, and just use the legal code from the PC Case to do the reinstall.
It's not legal for me to have both the Home and Pro copies. I'll have to check into the price of the OEM discs. I presume they are priced for the media only and contain no license as the license is in the sticker on the machine.
Move everything over to NFS and use rsync for backup.
Agreed as soon as I install it. For some reason Ubuntu came with SMB client installed but not NFS client.
I didn't know that, since I had a dell OEM copy running on a homemade white box for a year before I moved over to Edgy...
I didn't know it would install on other hardware. I'm so used to all the other Norton Ghost disks that are vendor specific that fails on anything that isn't the genuine model it was made for.
I'm going to try Edgy when it's out of Beta. Maybe at the rebuild, I'll dual boot to run Turbo Tax.
I worked for a small shop and we bought OEM disks and there was none of that problem. In fact, I use the same disks with a (legal) Dell OEM code to reload Dells without the cruft and have no problems.
Tell me more about reloading OEM Dell XP without the Cruft! Can it be done with the discs that shipped with the PC, or do you have to buy a replacement copy from Dell sans cruft?
The "recovery CD" that came with your Dell doesn't include Windows, it includes all the machine-specific drivers only. The Windows CD/DVD that came with your Dell will work on any piece of hardware as long as you have a valid OEM number.
This I didn't know. It has been about 3 years since the hard disk failure and re-install.
Technically, OEM numbers aren't transferrable between computers, but in reality Microsoft will always re-activate it if you ask.
It is prohibited in the EULA. It was a big part of the "Education Campaign" for WGA and one of the points of pirated copies in the BSA attacks. I saw the tied to a single box of parts as a WTF??? and started looking at more user friendly alternatives. WGA, BSA, EULA, Single seat non-transferrable all suck. Even if playing "Mother may I" with MS to get a case by case exception to the non-transferrable OEM install of XP is permitted, it's just not worth it. There are better legal software licenses out there.
I'm building a newer PC and do all the time. Re-using XP from an OEM Dell on the new hardware is forbidden last time I checked.
This is why I thanked Microsoft. Instead of biting the bullet and throwing away a copy of XP with the Dell and then buying a new copy of XP for the new hardware, I tried the alternative. WGA and the tie of XP and Vista to the OEM Dell, HP and other machines is good for Open Source. You can migrate your data, but not your Microsoft OS. Thanks again for the nudge out of the nest.
Perhaps something for Vista, or Media Center Edition? All of the Dells I've seen in the last year or two come with a recovery CD that works just fine on any machine. It's basically a regular WinXP install CD with a Dell label on it.
XP home edition on about a 5 year old Dell. I'll have to grab the disk. I haven't used it since the hard drive was replaced. I thought it was a Norton Ghost hard drive image, not an install disk.
What you need to do is enter the OEM license from the sticker on the PC you're reloading.
You missed the point. It's the move from an older machine to the new white box I make that is forbidden. Has this changed? Can I take the old Dell disc when I retire the Dell an install XP home on the Core 2 Duo PC I just built? I didn't think that was permitted which is the point I was trying to make. If I am wrong, then I'll move XP to newer hardware instead of having it die with the older hardware. In short, I'm not reloading the original PC. I'm building a newer PC and do all the time. Re-using XP from an OEM Dell on the new hardware is forbidden last time I checked.
I think your fear of calling MS is unfounded. The phone people are tools and getting your registration updated is as simple as saying 'This is the only hardware this OS is installed on.' when they ask.
That may be OK for a retail boxed version that comes with an install disk. This isn't OK for the OEM factory installed system. Just try to use a Dell recovery DVD on a homebuilt box. The EULA forbids the OS transfer and the recovery DVD program won't recover to another machine. With that in mind, the WGA hasn't actualy been tested. I just figured it was registered with a genuine Dell model XXXXXX and anything else is "Not Genuine".
Therefore I didn't even try when I built a Core 2 Duo box to play with. I just stuck Feisty on it and enjoyed it.
What issues does Feisty Fawn have that Dapper Drake
If you don't use the eye-candy and set it up from the default 2 desktops to 4 or 6, then you get desktops without toolbars. It's hard to switch desktops if you don't know the keyboard shortcut and the toolbar is missing. The networking is a little changed for SMB workgroups, so I can log into my server and transfer files just fine on my Dapper Drake box, but for some reason my Fiesty box hangs in a transfer. It crashes one Simple Share NAS of mine every time. On the other one, the transfer starts at 0 bytes transfered and the estimated time for the transfer just climbs past 30 hours till it fails.
Internet connectivity through my router and downloads are great. It's just the local LAN that has trouble. Someday, as I learn it, I may figure out what the bug is, but till then, I can't save files to my backup drive. I have to use a thumb drive then save them from the Dapper machine as a temporary work around.
Other than those minor annoyances, Fiesty has been great. The native support for video capture cards (I use the PVR150 MCE) and it's connectivity to popular portable music players has been outstanding.
Getting stuff off the box onto my backup has been a problem.
But they do sell unlocked phones directly to the public, so what's your freakin' problem?
I just visited the Nokia site. I looked at their phones. The have SOME models for sale without a plan. Quick, how much is a 6030 classic phone without a plan? Sorry..
The list of inexpensive phones without a plan (unlocked) is dismal.
Vista is one of the best things that ever happened to free software. It's later, more restrictive more expensive and less functional than anyone could possibly have imagined. There is zero enthusiasm for it and a plenty of rejection.
One of the best parts is WGA. Microsoft doesn't have the users who build their custom machines, but decide against the cost of the MS retail boxed version taxes. Spending $600-1200 on a custom box build soon finds the cost of an OS and Office suite a good part of building that can no longer be migrated from the old box. Alternatives to expensive restrictive software are now part of the cost decision.
I used to upgrade hardware re-using my legal copy of Windows 98. XP and Vista have ended that process. XP now simply means it is residing on the oldest slowest machine in the house as it is not upgradable (without playing mother-may-I with Microsoft who may say no way). Vista is the same dead end. I am test driving Ubuntu Dapper Drake (the long term support distro), Fiesty Fawn (newer but has issues), and Freespire (out of the box rich Web browsing with codecs and flash) on my new home built hardware. XP will retire on the hardware it arrived on. In it's lifetime it only got a hard drive repalcement due to hardware failure and a memory upgrade. It won't be moving on to a Core 2 Duo box simply due to the EULA, vendor hardware specific recovery disc, and WGA to enforce it.
Thank You Microsoft for closing the door on software re-use, right of first sale, and encouraging me to expand my horizons. I have learned the advantages first hand of not runing with administrator privilages, Software not vendor tied to hardware, open standards, community developement, GNU GPL, and no longer dealing with a per seat restrictive EULA.
Thank You Red Hat, Caldera (pre SCO), Novell SUSE, Mozilla, Sun Microsystems, IBM, ODF, EFF, Adobe, and everyone else who made this possible.
Absolutely true. I bought a pre boxed NAS. It runs Linux in firmware. Vista can't log into it but everything else can. I found the solution here.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx
The important paragraph is near the bottom.
"Cannot Authenticate to a Shared Folder from a Windows Vista-based Computer
If you cannot authenticate when accessing a shared folder from a Windows Vista-based computer on a computer running a version of Windows prior to Windows XP (such as Windows 98 or Windows 95), a computer running an operating system other than Microsoft Windows, or to a network device, the cause might be a mismatch in the configured support for NTLM 2, an authentication protocol that is used for file and printer sharing connections. By default, Windows Vista is configured to use NTLM 2.
To resolve this issue, you can do one of the following:"
The basic gist is change everything else, even if you can't write code for your firmware.
If you can't, then change Vista but this is not recommended.
I fall into the catagory of running an operating system other than Windows. It is in firmware. Care to edit my firmware? Ditching my encrypted fileserver is not an option.
I thought that the proper term for US "war fighters" was "queer"?
Try keeping up with the news. Over there in the perfect state of Iran where nothing is out of place, they are having a couple problems. Drugs from Afghanistan and gay sex and AIDS.
http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=37725
THESE COLORS DON'T RUN!
Unless a Democrat is in charge. How fast can we withdrawal our troops?
Hats off to our troops! We are finally taking the war back to their turf. The war started years before 9/11. After 9/11 we decided to no longer ignore them as insignificant. My only question is why are we waiting for IRAQ to finish building a nuke? Are we going to do anything when they nuke Israel? We didn't get involved in the second world war until Japan bombed Pear Harbor. Just how bad do you want it to get before we take serious action? Are we waiting for the nuke?
All they have to do is predict these random numbers ahead of time... Using a dice.
I had trouble at the local casino. 1 They noticed my random number generator. 2 I had trouble getting my random number generator in sync with their seed and key. I didn't have enough data to brute force the key.
Connecting to wireless is as easy as clicking on the freaking ballon that says, networks are available, click to connect to one,
Granted, DHCP is easy. Most of my machines are Ubuntu. As such my router is set up for WEP not WPA. I know big security no-no. I don't have many neighbors so the number of drive by leaches is low. To discourage matters, the DHCP range is in a blocked range in the router. A DHCP lease gets you no internet.
How long will it take you to find how to set up a static IP address and DNS for the first time on a Vista machine? Click and point on an access point is the easy part. Finding where to put a static IP address is another. I have a printer. It's address is 192.168.1.101/lp1. How long will it take you for the first time to properly print a test page from Vista. Good luck. It is much easer in any older version of Windows, mac, or Linux.
The back-up of the My Documents folder is on a Linux based SMB share with a password username combo. How long will it take you to log-in and start the file transfer? (Don't pull a number out of air based on a guess. Hint, a registry edit is required to get a working login, but make the assumption you don't know that yet) My first Vista to NAS login took more than 3 hours. Much of it on Google. Vista by default is unable to login to a Windows Workgroup SMB share with a password.
Here is the typical problem;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Vista+workgroup+login+failure&btnG=Google+Search
Here is Microsoft's solution;
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx
You need to read down to the bottom of the page for this gem hidden in the fine print.
If you cannot authenticate when accessing a shared folder from a Windows Vista-based computer on a computer running a version of Windows prior to Windows XP (such as Windows 98 or Windows 95), a computer running an operating system other than Microsoft Windows, or to a network device, the cause might be a mismatch in the configured support for NTLM 2, an authentication protocol that is used for file and printer sharing connections. By default, Windows Vista is configured to use NTLM 2.
To resolve this issue, you can do one of the following:
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Enable NTLM 2 support on the computer or device to which the Windows Vista-based computer is attempting to connect. For computers running versions of Windows prior to Windows XP, see How to enable NTLM 2 authentication. For computers running operating systems other than Windows, see the operating system's product documentation for information about how to enable NTLM 2 support. For network devices, see the device's product documentation or Web site for information about how to enable NTLM 2 support or download a firmware update that supports NTLM 2. This is the preferred solution.
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If you cannot update the computers running operating systems other than Windows or your network devices to support NTLM 2, change the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\LMCompatibilityLevel registry value on the computer running Windows Vista to 1. This solution is not recommended.
If you didn't know this ahead of time, just how long would it have taken you to log into a Linux SAMBA share and started a file transfer. Getting logged in was the problem.
I like the don't change Vista, change the entire rest of your network solution
Setting up accounts is hard
on Vista? Wow, then you better
run from any *nix. Control
Panel -> User accounts -> Create new
account (Type Name and Password,
select security level) Done...
I didn't say setting up users was hard in Vista. I did say, that the initial time waste of the initial power up software installs, network and net printer setup, and recovery disc creation pushed out that task to the following day simply because I ran out of day.
Did you know that Vista requires a registry edit to enable it to connect to a home Windows Workgroup using password protected shares?
You are either making up a good story are just full of crap.
Costco.. model dv6604cl Purchased this week.
The slip in the box states;
Restore your system without discs
Your computer includes a new system recovery feature that does not require CDs or DVDs.
If you need to repair your system, you can do it from the hard drive or from your own set of recovery discs.
To burn your own set of recovery discs, select Start> Recovery Manager > click Advanced Options > Recovery disc creation.
Having personally broken the HP security tape on the box and completing the inventory of the contents, I can assure you there are no recovery discs in the box. At the bottom of the page it states,
Important: HP recommends that you create recovery discs to be sure that you can restore your system to its original factory state if you experience serious system failure or instability.
If you want to order recovery media instead of creating your own discs, contact HP at:
htt;://www.hp.com
Copyright 2007
Hewlett-Packard Development Company I.P
If anything, Vista has made the prices of buying a new OEM computer rise, not to mention the fact that the cost of getting hardware "verified", and the new specs imposed by Vista on such hardware.
The opposite is true. There is so much unsold Vista hardware out there now, that if you watch the specials, you can get dual core laptops for under $400. MS gets their tax while the hardware manufactures are eating the loss.
If you are trying to say a Vista machine is ready to use out of the box, I'll call you on that.
Just for time comparisons, I'll let you take a brand new HP Vista laptop, Power it up, make a set of recovery disks, connect wireless, and create a couple user accounts.
I'm still recovering from doing that yesterday. The time from powering it on till I could get a start button.. 40 minutes. Burn recovery CD's.. It took a long time to create the files before it asked for media, either 2 DVD's or 11 CD's I don't know how long it took, I took a break to run my kid to a friends house after school while I was waiting. I went with the fast option and picked DVD's. I don't know how long it took to actualy burn the DVD's I had to break for dinner. Burning the DVD's is a 3 step process, create an image (thought that was already done but I guess not) Burn the DVD, and then verify the DVD. You get only one shot to do this. The instructions clearly state only one recovered disk set can be made.
Installing Ubuntu on my other machine, getting online, getting updates and setting up user accounts took far less time. It wasn't an all day project that ran over to another day.
I gotta go, I need to deal with setting up a subscription to the AV software and complete the product activation.
You must have created an account just like me. Under preferences, the real name is listed as (no real name given)
"Or else he'll end up in the hospital!"
Or take a little vacation like PJ of Groklaw for health reasons.