The question was about the power consumption, expressly, is it higher or lower than what Intel is offering. The rationale for that question is that it dictates what datacenters would do. So, do you know the answer? Because I do not.
Not quite right: in case of a tie, datacenters select on cost. So I will settle for a tie (likely) and so will data center operators. And just keep asking for those leaks, they will come.
Assumes that all new games will be written in Vulkan instead of DX10.
(DX12 has the same feature set as Vulkan regarding multi-threading, but I'm not holding my breath on it's wild adoption either.
Then you haven't been paying attention. Every major game engine has a Vulkan prototype up and running, or (like idsoft) already shipping. DX10 is Microsoft's Vulkan clone, so yes, the whole graphics world is going to Vulkan, the process is well advanced. Anything that wants performance or (for mobile) power saving is going Vulkan.
My point was that if it is cheaper and more efficient that it's clear that datacenters would switch and that's something people on this site would like to know about.
My point was that you don't really need to ask that question because you know they will. Of course, I appreciate a nice leak as much as the next guy. So data center guys hanging on/. as anoncows: tell us all the juicy details of what you're thinking about installing and shy please, thx.
Current users post that the diminishing returns start after 10 cores. The highest core count for Threadripper is 16, so there's definitely some overkill there on the high end...
I would think people would want to know if datacenters are about to switch their boxen to AMD in the near future.
No big operator is going to share their plans with you. Suffice to know that data center operators are the least loyal users on the planet... probably already running QA on threadripper boxes.
Ships and boats still run on diesel or petrol, and it might not be sensible to have a water-soaked battery.
Well, actually it's more about energy density. I'm thinking, I would like my next boat motor to be petrol/electric. At this point, the main obstacles would just be getting the necessary engineering talent on the problem for this specialty industry.
Multi-threaded performance was the main advantage that Ryzen had over Intel.
This type of processor bug can typically be fixed with a microcode patch. Mainly a matter of getting sufficient engineering resources on it and isolating the cause. The publicity certainly helps that process, as does the extensive community testing.
The reason Intel was eating AMD's lunch for over half a decade was that Intel was two generations ahead on processor fab technology, and as a result Intel had an absolutely huge advantage in power efficiency.
That, and the unfortunate decision to share FPUs between cores, resulting in great integer (compilation) performance but less great gaming, compression and spreadsheeting. But those are secondary effects. The primary cause was Intel cutting off AMD's air supply by illegal trust-making strategems.
Videogame programming isn't a field in which performance can simply scale nearly linearly based on the number of hardware threads available.
Actually, it is. But there is a limiting factor: videogame management are cheapass bitches who can't stomach the idea of paying more money than they pay themselves to bring in the kind of engineer who can design and develop high performance parallel code.
Trump trolls really don't take it well when their little black balloons get pricked, and sometimes they have mod points. Downmodding is so much easier on the brain muscle than actually thinking about a rebuttal. They can easily do it in the time it takes to have a shit, a big selling point.
Actually, no. CNN is responsibly and professionally carrying out its journalistic duty to fully inform the public of the details of the sad story of the man who is set to become the first US president ever to leave office in handcuffs.
Price check on Amazon puts the Eneloop AAs at 4.5 times the price of (non-rechargeable) alkalines. If rechargeable alkalines somehow come in at 1/2 the cost of Ni-Mh then they would be easily in the zone for many use cases. Marine/RV for one, currently dominated by lead/acid. Not too pleasant, to say the least.
Look, I don't like Hilary Clinton. But I like you much less. You are a slavering right wing rumor mongering nut who disgraces all technologists, if you even are one.
So you can get down from your trump horse now. Unlike Hilary Clinton, who was investigated multiple times and cleared every time, Donald Trump is a notorious scofflaw who stands a good chance of going down in history as the first president to leave office in handcuffs.
Actually, no. CNN is responsibly and professionally carrying out its journalistic duty to fully inform the public of the details of the sad story of the man who is set to become the first US president ever to leave office in handcuffs.
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Simple typo, meant DX 12, which you should have known, so I am skeptical about your moral backbone.
I presume that mips/watt is roughly a tie, because the process is roughly a tie. The big tiebreaker is price.
The question was about the power consumption, expressly, is it higher or lower than what Intel is offering. The rationale for that question is that it dictates what datacenters would do. So, do you know the answer? Because I do not.
Not quite right: in case of a tie, datacenters select on cost. So I will settle for a tie (likely) and so will data center operators. And just keep asking for those leaks, they will come.
Assumes that all new games will be written in Vulkan instead of DX10.
(DX12 has the same feature set as Vulkan regarding multi-threading, but I'm not holding my breath on it's wild adoption either.
Then you haven't been paying attention. Every major game engine has a Vulkan prototype up and running, or (like idsoft) already shipping. DX10 is Microsoft's Vulkan clone, so yes, the whole graphics world is going to Vulkan, the process is well advanced. Anything that wants performance or (for mobile) power saving is going Vulkan.
Or you know, there is this ancient art known as "Sailing"...
How do you suppose a sailboat gets in and out of harbor, or gets anywhere when the wind dies?
My point was that if it is cheaper and more efficient that it's clear that datacenters would switch and that's something people on this site would like to know about.
My point was that you don't really need to ask that question because you know they will. Of course, I appreciate a nice leak as much as the next guy. So data center guys hanging on /. as anoncows: tell us all the juicy details of what you're thinking about installing and shy please, thx.
Current users post that the diminishing returns start after 10 cores. The highest core count for Threadripper is 16, so there's definitely some overkill there on the high end...
As far as gaming goes, one word: Vulkan.
Firefox still only uses a few threads.
That's due to change in the very near future.
The bottom line is that they are both blazingly fast, especially for multi-threaded workloads.
And that's enough for me to happily abandon aging monopolist Intel at the first viable opportunity.
I would think people would want to know if datacenters are about to switch their boxen to AMD in the near future.
No big operator is going to share their plans with you. Suffice to know that data center operators are the least loyal users on the planet... probably already running QA on threadripper boxes.
You lost all credibility with "boxen"
Hand in your geek card.
Ships and boats still run on diesel or petrol, and it might not be sensible to have a water-soaked battery.
Well, actually it's more about energy density. I'm thinking, I would like my next boat motor to be petrol/electric. At this point, the main obstacles would just be getting the necessary engineering talent on the problem for this specialty industry.
Multi-threaded performance was the main advantage that Ryzen had over Intel.
This type of processor bug can typically be fixed with a microcode patch. Mainly a matter of getting sufficient engineering resources on it and isolating the cause. The publicity certainly helps that process, as does the extensive community testing.
The reason Intel was eating AMD's lunch for over half a decade was that Intel was two generations ahead on processor fab technology, and as a result Intel had an absolutely huge advantage in power efficiency.
That, and the unfortunate decision to share FPUs between cores, resulting in great integer (compilation) performance but less great gaming, compression and spreadsheeting. But those are secondary effects. The primary cause was Intel cutting off AMD's air supply by illegal trust-making strategems.
Videogame programming isn't a field in which performance can simply scale nearly linearly based on the number of hardware threads available.
Actually, it is. But there is a limiting factor: videogame management are cheapass bitches who can't stomach the idea of paying more money than they pay themselves to bring in the kind of engineer who can design and develop high performance parallel code.
Thanks, EBL looks good, ordered.
Hillary! was rightfully pegged as [standard russian shitposter talking points]
Back to Moscow with you! Sad.
Including the New York Times
Donald Trump inaccurately suggests Clinton got paid to approve Russia uranium deal
So move on to your next talking point, Vlad.
Trump trolls really don't take it well when their little black balloons get pricked, and sometimes they have mod points. Downmodding is so much easier on the brain muscle than actually thinking about a rebuttal. They can easily do it in the time it takes to have a shit, a big selling point.
CNN is talking about fake news again.
Actually, no. CNN is responsibly and professionally carrying out its journalistic duty to fully inform the public of the details of the sad story of the man who is set to become the first US president ever to leave office in handcuffs.
Oh my, it seems Vlad the Spinmod paid us a visit.
Price check on Amazon puts the Eneloop AAs at 4.5 times the price of (non-rechargeable) alkalines. If rechargeable alkalines somehow come in at 1/2 the cost of Ni-Mh then they would be easily in the zone for many use cases. Marine/RV for one, currently dominated by lead/acid. Not too pleasant, to say the least.
Look, I don't like Hilary Clinton. But I like you much less. You are a slavering right wing rumor mongering nut who disgraces all technologists, if you even are one.
The NYT article you linked lays out some interesting and potentially troublesome background, yes, but does not accuse Clinton of wrongdoing. There was an FBI investigation, but apparently based on a book written by a Breitbart editor: some New York agents were feuding with the Justice Department and basing their investigation in part on media accounts[46] and in particular on the book Clinton Cash, written by Peter Schweizer, a senior editor-at-large for Breitbart News. The NYT clarified their position in an editorial that states Does the new batch of previously undisclosed State Department emails prove that big-money donors to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation got special favors from Mrs. Clinton while she was secretary of state? Not so far...
So you can get down from your trump horse now. Unlike Hilary Clinton, who was investigated multiple times and cleared every time, Donald Trump is a notorious scofflaw who stands a good chance of going down in history as the first president to leave office in handcuffs.
So your next talking point is just an ad hominem. Figures.
Including the New York Times
Donald Trump inaccurately suggests Clinton got paid to approve Russia uranium deal
So move on to your next talking point, Vlad.
How can the Russians be responsible for the foolishness of a single American?
Russians can be found responsible both for perpetrating cybercrimes and interfering with the election, an act of war.
CNN is talking about fake news again.
Actually, no. CNN is responsibly and professionally carrying out its journalistic duty to fully inform the public of the details of the sad story of the man who is set to become the first US president ever to leave office in handcuffs.