"Open Hardware" is definitely a lie. You cannot build the chip from "source" yourself. Full stop.
Right, because you aren't going to mine the copper or refine the silicon. So it's all useless, just give up, according to you, a random internet idiot.
The "Year of the Linux desktop" has ALWAYS been considered as the year when Linux desktop users become the majority.
By who? You? According to me, and most probably, according to the vast majority of Linux desktop users, it is the year that Linux became usable as a full function desktop. Not sure which year that was, but it was long ago. Other definitions, such as yours, we typically hear from trolls with some vested interest such as being a Microsoft employee.
I can't get my AMD Radeon 7870 XT/LE card to work with graphics acceleration since the proprietary driver is no longer supported.
Ubuntu 16.04? You and a bunch of others... it fell between the cracks where fglrx was dropped and AMDGPU support didn't cover some cards. The recommendation at the time for owners of those cards was, don't upgrade. If you inadvertently did, you could consider reinstalling 15.10. Now, on 16.10, "man radeon" tells me that Tahiti is supported.
Evolution is a Gnome thing, the same guys who brought you Bonobo and a bunch of other steaming piles. Try Dolphin, you'll like it. Personally, I try to stay as far away from GTK things as I can. But when forced to use them because of no other choice, they usually do function as designed, in their stilted, award way. I can't imagine how you ended up with an Evolution build that trips over mount points, Evolution certainly never did that the few times I used it. But who knows. There's no reason to use Evolution and plenty of reasons not to use it, so I don't use it.
Can anyone who know both Fedora and Ubuntu say how they compare to each other?
Just imho naturally. Fedora/Redhat.... everywhere it departs from the teachings of Debian, it seriously blows. Example: RPM. It's just eye-gougingly bad, particularly rpmbuild. Ask anyone who has had the misfortune of having to deal with it as a maintainer. For users, it's not as bad, but its still bad. Example: still uses mainly file-based dependencies. That's package manager brain-damage more than an RPM deficiency per se, but still it's symptomatic of the mindset that Fedora/Redhat maintainers have. Another example: executable scripts to initialize network interfaces. Come on, that's something you'd expect from Microsoft, not a self respecting Unix guru. Oh wait, there weren't any Unix gurus involved when that garbage was invented. There are just countless more flaws, big and little, along similar lines. Not to say that Fedora/Redhat is a complete steaming pile, after all, it shares a lot of DNA with Debian/Ubuntu. But basically, everywhere it departs from Debian/Ubuntu, there you will find big steaming piles of turd.
Oh, whoops, redhat employee with mod points detected.
Yeah, desktop of the future. Sure. How long have people been saying that? How much has the hardware driver issue been advanced in that time?
Light years. Linux now gets day 0 support for new 3D cards from AMD and NVidia, for one thing. For another, Linux now supports a far bigger range of hardware than any version of Windows. True. Because Linux doesn't drop old hardware like Microsoft does. Once some piece of hardware is supported in Linux, it stays supported forever. And for most hardware you won't need any vendor driver, the hardware support is built into the kernel (typically as a module).
For hardware you really care about, like your network card or disk driver, chances are better than even that the Linux driver support is noticeably more stable and performs better than the Windows equivalent. There are exceptions of course, particularly where the hardware vendor is uncooperative for some unknown reason, but Linux generally gets hardware support right.
Fedora is "bleeding edge" while Ubuntu favors stability - Fedora typically has newer versions of libraries sooner than Ubuntu does.
It's not really fair to say that without mentioning Debian Sid, on which every version of Ubuntu is based. By running Sid you will typically get even fresher packages than Fedora. If Sid is a bit too adventurous for you (packages do break from time to time but many people use it for their primary workstation because it's fun) then try Debian Testing... solid as a rock. Never mind Stable, which actually goes overboard on the stability.
It's kind of odd how Debian doesn't get mentioned much in these kinds of threads, but it's still very much there, and still very much the thing that the vast majority of Linux desktops are based on these days. And I'm only running it on one machine, why? Hmm. Because I asked google to find me a live install image for a USB stick and the first one it found was Ubuntu? I dunno. No good reason. Next machine (a server) is going to be Debian Stable.
Don't order a laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled. Get a regular laptop, and install Xubuntu 16.04 instead. The crapware gets removed along with Windows 10; it probably counts as a Windows 10 PC for sales purposes.
Right, and the crapware makers end up subsidizing your Linux laptop, it's actually a sweet deal.
Your goddam hardware is obviously bad or just plain shitty. Big whoop.
Annnd this is why no one wants to run Linux.
Oh my, a word from a sensitive little snowflake. No, it's not why noone wants to run Linux (which isn't true anyway) it's why people get triggered and have little hissy fits, then get over it and eventually end up doing whatever makes sense to them. For what it's worth, I think the "goddam hardware" guy is an idiot too. But get real. If you want serious abuse, try some phone support from Microsoft.
Agree about Systemd. I'm not a systemd hater by nature, but I did see a bunch of strange issues over the last year or so that I never saw before systemd landed, and that just don't show up as KDE or Gnome open issues. Those feel like Systemd/dbus things. For example, I might suddenly lose all keyboard input, but the mouse is still working fine. Cure is to restart X, which is to say, low level input handling isn't the problem. Thankfully, those seemed to go away with later 16.04 updates, and 16.10. The latter had other issues early on, but it's been really sweet lately.
There were still bizarre integration problems with applications though, like different apps using different file manager plugins so that one application works across the whole file system no problem, but another can't browse into mount points, which means you need to move files out of that mount to use them, then put them back, etc.
Whaaaa? I've never heard of such a thing, and certainly never experienced it, ever. Maybe you've got a real story to tell, maybe you just made it up, or maybe your mind played tricks on you, trying to remember something annoying that happened in the distant past, I don't know. But file managers on Linux don't do that. And apps don't use "file manager plugins", they use whatever the widget toolkit (usually GTK or QT) provides. Often with customization, and therefore the possibility of bugs exists, but not browsing across mount points? Come on, you're making that up.
BTW, Dolphin (QT based) is the best file browser on Linux by far. It's worth installing even if you're running Gnome.
Just uninstalled Ubuntu 16.04 here after about three weeks & installed Win 10. The file manager in Ubuntu would constantly cease to function.
16.04 was annoying unstable when first released. It's ok now, but 16.10 is the new shininess. But that was unstable too, when first released. I put it on a throwaway laptop and kept updating until it got stable, I think maybe 10 weeks or so, then put it on the rest of my machines without incident. Very nice. I run Kubuntu on it, and highly recommend it. KDE has really matured lately, it's actually very pleasant to use these days. No comparison whatsoever to the Windows experience, it's beyond me how anybody can put up with that.
Anyway, remember: just don't upgrade to any new Ubuntu version on release day. Just don't do it. I thought everybody knew that.
Anybody who is able to use ogg instead of mp3 and doesn't is just an idiot. I can see keeping a bunch of mp3s around instead of transcoding, because what's the point of losing even a bit more quality? Unless you need to save space of course. But taking mp3 over ogg any time you have the choice, that's just "kick me in the cluepants" zone.
Can anyone who know both Fedora and Ubuntu say how they compare to each other?
Just imho naturally. Fedora/Redhat.... everywhere it departs from the teachings of Debian, it seriously blows. Example: RPM. It's just eye-gougingly bad, particularly rpmbuild. Ask anyone who has had the misfortune of having to deal with it as a maintainer. For users, it's not as bad, but its still bad. Example: still uses mainly file-based dependencies. That's package manager brain-damage more than an RPM deficiency per se, but still it's symptomatic of the mindset that Fedora/Redhat maintainers have. Another example: executable scripts to initialize network interfaces. Come on, that's something you'd expect from Microsoft, not a self respecting Unix guru. Oh wait, there weren't any Unix gurus involved when that garbage was invented. There are just countless more flaws, big and little, along similar lines. Not to say that Fedora/Redhat is a complete steaming pile, after all, it shares a lot of DNA with Debian/Ubuntu. But basically, everywhere it departs from Debian/Ubuntu, there you will find big steaming piles of turd.
With somewhere between 40 and 80 million desktop Linux users already, the year of Linux on the desktop arrived some time ago. You may be confusing that with the year of Linux world domination of the desktop. Not sure when that is, but judging by the strength of the products recently released by Microsoft and Apple, it may not be far away.
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"Open Hardware" is definitely a lie. You cannot build the chip from "source" yourself. Full stop.
Right, because you aren't going to mine the copper or refine the silicon. So it's all useless, just give up, according to you, a random internet idiot.
Ineffective, mites are a bit (very small) problem.
Not a problem that small robots can't solve.
The vegetables will be fully responsible for growing themselves. When fully grown they will walk to the truck and slice themselves up, ready to serve.
The "Year of the Linux desktop" has ALWAYS been considered as the year when Linux desktop users become the majority.
By who? You? According to me, and most probably, according to the vast majority of Linux desktop users, it is the year that Linux became usable as a full function desktop. Not sure which year that was, but it was long ago. Other definitions, such as yours, we typically hear from trolls with some vested interest such as being a Microsoft employee.
Apple pays every dollar of tax it is required to by law. That is a fact.
It sounds more like an opinion than a fact. It comes down to credibility, doesn't it?
Apple has already stated that in the current market the cost to produce an iPhone in the US would be double what it is now.
Sell part of Texas to China and let China build a prison factory there. Technically, that would be "in" the US.
It will be a tree that grows phones. See, anything is possible in a Trumpian universe.
If you inadvertently did, you could consider reinstalling 15.10. Now, on 16.10, "man radeon" tells me that Tahiti is supported.
Great, now about Fedora...
Good luck with that :)
I suggest switching to a Debian-derived distro.
I can't get my AMD Radeon 7870 XT/LE card to work with graphics acceleration since the proprietary driver is no longer supported.
Ubuntu 16.04? You and a bunch of others... it fell between the cracks where fglrx was dropped and AMDGPU support didn't cover some cards. The recommendation at the time for owners of those cards was, don't upgrade. If you inadvertently did, you could consider reinstalling 15.10. Now, on 16.10, "man radeon" tells me that Tahiti is supported.
Evolution is a Gnome thing, the same guys who brought you Bonobo and a bunch of other steaming piles. Try Dolphin, you'll like it. Personally, I try to stay as far away from GTK things as I can. But when forced to use them because of no other choice, they usually do function as designed, in their stilted, award way. I can't imagine how you ended up with an Evolution build that trips over mount points, Evolution certainly never did that the few times I used it. But who knows. There's no reason to use Evolution and plenty of reasons not to use it, so I don't use it.
Can anyone who know both Fedora and Ubuntu say how they compare to each other?
Just imho naturally. Fedora/Redhat.... everywhere it departs from the teachings of Debian, it seriously blows. Example: RPM. It's just eye-gougingly bad, particularly rpmbuild. Ask anyone who has had the misfortune of having to deal with it as a maintainer. For users, it's not as bad, but its still bad. Example: still uses mainly file-based dependencies. That's package manager brain-damage more than an RPM deficiency per se, but still it's symptomatic of the mindset that Fedora/Redhat maintainers have. Another example: executable scripts to initialize network interfaces. Come on, that's something you'd expect from Microsoft, not a self respecting Unix guru. Oh wait, there weren't any Unix gurus involved when that garbage was invented. There are just countless more flaws, big and little, along similar lines. Not to say that Fedora/Redhat is a complete steaming pile, after all, it shares a lot of DNA with Debian/Ubuntu. But basically, everywhere it departs from Debian/Ubuntu, there you will find big steaming piles of turd.
Oh, whoops, redhat employee with mod points detected.
If you're currently on Debian/Ubuntu then Fedora would feel like slumming.
Yeah, desktop of the future. Sure. How long have people been saying that? How much has the hardware driver issue been advanced in that time?
Light years. Linux now gets day 0 support for new 3D cards from AMD and NVidia, for one thing. For another, Linux now supports a far bigger range of hardware than any version of Windows. True. Because Linux doesn't drop old hardware like Microsoft does. Once some piece of hardware is supported in Linux, it stays supported forever. And for most hardware you won't need any vendor driver, the hardware support is built into the kernel (typically as a module).
For hardware you really care about, like your network card or disk driver, chances are better than even that the Linux driver support is noticeably more stable and performs better than the Windows equivalent. There are exceptions of course, particularly where the hardware vendor is uncooperative for some unknown reason, but Linux generally gets hardware support right.
Fedora is "bleeding edge" while Ubuntu favors stability - Fedora typically has newer versions of libraries sooner than Ubuntu does.
It's not really fair to say that without mentioning Debian Sid, on which every version of Ubuntu is based. By running Sid you will typically get even fresher packages than Fedora. If Sid is a bit too adventurous for you (packages do break from time to time but many people use it for their primary workstation because it's fun) then try Debian Testing... solid as a rock. Never mind Stable, which actually goes overboard on the stability.
It's kind of odd how Debian doesn't get mentioned much in these kinds of threads, but it's still very much there, and still very much the thing that the vast majority of Linux desktops are based on these days. And I'm only running it on one machine, why? Hmm. Because I asked google to find me a live install image for a USB stick and the first one it found was Ubuntu? I dunno. No good reason. Next machine (a server) is going to be Debian Stable.
Don't order a laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled. Get a regular laptop, and install Xubuntu 16.04 instead. The crapware gets removed along with Windows 10; it probably counts as a Windows 10 PC for sales purposes.
Right, and the crapware makers end up subsidizing your Linux laptop, it's actually a sweet deal.
Your goddam hardware is obviously bad or just plain shitty. Big whoop.
Annnd this is why no one wants to run Linux.
Oh my, a word from a sensitive little snowflake. No, it's not why noone wants to run Linux (which isn't true anyway) it's why people get triggered and have little hissy fits, then get over it and eventually end up doing whatever makes sense to them. For what it's worth, I think the "goddam hardware" guy is an idiot too. But get real. If you want serious abuse, try some phone support from Microsoft.
Agree about Systemd. I'm not a systemd hater by nature, but I did see a bunch of strange issues over the last year or so that I never saw before systemd landed, and that just don't show up as KDE or Gnome open issues. Those feel like Systemd/dbus things. For example, I might suddenly lose all keyboard input, but the mouse is still working fine. Cure is to restart X, which is to say, low level input handling isn't the problem. Thankfully, those seemed to go away with later 16.04 updates, and 16.10. The latter had other issues early on, but it's been really sweet lately.
There were still bizarre integration problems with applications though, like different apps using different file manager plugins so that one application works across the whole file system no problem, but another can't browse into mount points, which means you need to move files out of that mount to use them, then put them back, etc.
Whaaaa? I've never heard of such a thing, and certainly never experienced it, ever. Maybe you've got a real story to tell, maybe you just made it up, or maybe your mind played tricks on you, trying to remember something annoying that happened in the distant past, I don't know. But file managers on Linux don't do that. And apps don't use "file manager plugins", they use whatever the widget toolkit (usually GTK or QT) provides. Often with customization, and therefore the possibility of bugs exists, but not browsing across mount points? Come on, you're making that up.
BTW, Dolphin (QT based) is the best file browser on Linux by far. It's worth installing even if you're running Gnome.
Just uninstalled Ubuntu 16.04 here after about three weeks & installed Win 10. The file manager in Ubuntu would constantly cease to function.
16.04 was annoying unstable when first released. It's ok now, but 16.10 is the new shininess. But that was unstable too, when first released. I put it on a throwaway laptop and kept updating until it got stable, I think maybe 10 weeks or so, then put it on the rest of my machines without incident. Very nice. I run Kubuntu on it, and highly recommend it. KDE has really matured lately, it's actually very pleasant to use these days. No comparison whatsoever to the Windows experience, it's beyond me how anybody can put up with that.
Anyway, remember: just don't upgrade to any new Ubuntu version on release day. Just don't do it. I thought everybody knew that.
Anybody who is able to use ogg instead of mp3 and doesn't is just an idiot. I can see keeping a bunch of mp3s around instead of transcoding, because what's the point of losing even a bit more quality? Unless you need to save space of course. But taking mp3 over ogg any time you have the choice, that's just "kick me in the cluepants" zone.
I don't see ogg support listed on the car stereo, MP3 is.
Where did you get that crap stereo?
Can anyone who know both Fedora and Ubuntu say how they compare to each other?
Just imho naturally. Fedora/Redhat.... everywhere it departs from the teachings of Debian, it seriously blows. Example: RPM. It's just eye-gougingly bad, particularly rpmbuild. Ask anyone who has had the misfortune of having to deal with it as a maintainer. For users, it's not as bad, but its still bad. Example: still uses mainly file-based dependencies. That's package manager brain-damage more than an RPM deficiency per se, but still it's symptomatic of the mindset that Fedora/Redhat maintainers have. Another example: executable scripts to initialize network interfaces. Come on, that's something you'd expect from Microsoft, not a self respecting Unix guru. Oh wait, there weren't any Unix gurus involved when that garbage was invented. There are just countless more flaws, big and little, along similar lines. Not to say that Fedora/Redhat is a complete steaming pile, after all, it shares a lot of DNA with Debian/Ubuntu. But basically, everywhere it departs from Debian/Ubuntu, there you will find big steaming piles of turd.
With somewhere between 40 and 80 million desktop Linux users already, the year of Linux on the desktop arrived some time ago. You may be confusing that with the year of Linux world domination of the desktop. Not sure when that is, but judging by the strength of the products recently released by Microsoft and Apple, it may not be far away.
I called you a Microsoft diehard :)
According to you, killing off the laserwriter was a brilliant tactical maneuver by Apple management, but according to Wikipedia, the ubiquity of PostScript undermined the unique position of Apple’s printers.
In this case, Wikipedia sounds a bit more realistic.