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Fedora 25 Now Available -- Makes It Easier To Switch From Windows 10 Or Mac (betanews.com)
Reader BrianFagioli writes: After the release of both alpha and beta versions, Fedora 25 is officially here and ready for production machines. If you aren't familiar with the popular Linux-based operating system, please know that it is the distribution of choice for the founder of the Linux kernel, Linus Torvalds. One of the most endearing qualities of Fedora is its focus on only offering truly free open source software. Also, you can always count on a very modern version of the Linux kernel being available. Despite having very up-to-date packages, it is always very stable too. My favorite aspect, however, is the commitment to the GNOME desktop environment; other DEs are available, though. The team says, "Fedora 25 Workstation now makes it easier to for Windows and OS X users to get started, with Fedora Media Writer serving as the default download for those operating systems. This tool helps users find and download the current Fedora release and write it to removable media, like a USB stick, allowing potential Fedora users to 'test drive' the operating system from that media environment. Fedora can then be installed to their systems with the same process".
It's a hell of a lot easier to switch now!
Good job, guys!
I was having a hell of a time switching to your software before you released it. Now that it's released, the experience is 1000X better!
(still sucks, though..)
This is the prompt that should be displayed if Fedora is run from removable media on a Windows machine. If the use clicks Yes, the Windows install is nuked and replaced with Fedora. If the user clicks No, the machine waits 10 minutes and then without warning BLAMMO nukes the Windows install and replaces it with Fedora.
You know, kind of like the upgrade process from Windows 7 to Windows 10, to keep in line with what Windows users are used to.
Can anyone who know both Fedora and Ubuntu say how they compare to each other?
Unity aside, is there a solid reason to use Fedora over Ubuntu?
What do you like about Fedora - if you are a Fedora user?
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Fedora 25 marks the first release of a mainstream distro to switch to Wayland as the default display server (it will set X11 if it's detected that you're using incompatible drivers such as the nvidia drivers for example). I'm surprised there's no front page story about this on /.
Hell, there's not even token a mention of it in this summary.
...why would I pick Fedora? It's one thing if we're talking servers and I needed RHEL or Oracle Unbreakable, but for personal usage? When SteamOS is based on Ubuntu, why not pick a Ubuntu or even a Debian based distro? .deb is a lot easier to handle than .rpm
Get better sources and fuck off with this BetaNews 200-words articles. This site is just crap. /. frontpage now.... great job mods... fucking great job!
The submissions section is ten times better than the
I need to test that out. I've never gotten Fedora to run on my 2006 Black MacBook. Mint Linux is the only one I ever got installed since the installer recognizes existing Mac partitions.
Turns out they're a lot better than Lunix, too! Kind of like marrying a beautiful because she likes to play video games and have hot sex 3 or 4 times a day, then finding out her parents are richer than Trump.
If they are still using systemd I'm not interested.
How do we know that? In the past Linus has always been very careful not to say what distro he uses out of caution that any mention by him would be considered an endorsement, as has apparently been done here. I've read him talking about desktop environments but never distros.
Select your stream here.
Submission by BrianFagioli pointing to his BetaNews post. How meta.
I downloaded it this morning after seeing it was available. After many minutes of text scrolling up the screen as the (verified iso) installer set the machine up, it finally got to a graphical display that was rotated 45 degrees. HP Carrizo notebook from just over a year ago. I don't have the time do futz around. This is silliness I've no time to debug.
An unsecure OS has been detected. Fix now?
Protip: If you don't want people to think you're some Indian scam tech support outfit, you might try using correct grammar.
oh by golly by gee, I am please to be helping you this day!
I need to test that out. I've never gotten Fedora to run on my 2006 Black MacBook.
the violin is too small to display on your non-retina screen
Docker, Node.js, multiple flavors of Python, and Rust are not compelling reasons for 99% of people to use a particular operating system.
Oh wow, I just got this great new video card that blows my old one away. I can't wait to plug it in, have the OS find it and load all the correct drivers for it! I am so excited! Wait... what do you mean "What do you think this is, Windows? This is Linux!" Yeah, desktop of the future. Sure. How long have people been saying that? How much has the hardware driver issue been advanced in that time?
Also, if you don't want people to think you 14 years old then you shouldn't use "protip".
The summary left out a link to the Release Notes.
Some of them are pretty big.
Wayland display server by default
Flatpak
And its noteworthy that Rust is finally in.
How goddam hard has it ever been to change to linux? You just put the goddam CD in the CD-ROM reader or plug in the goddam USB stick and reboot. Sheesh. The way it has ALWAYS been.
Never mind being easy to switch from windows or mac os, can you actually do an upgrade from previous version of fedora? The instructions used to suggest it was best to nuke previous versions before installing.
Does Fedora have an ncurses app for exploring packages, such as aptitude? Last time I looked at it, as far as I could tell you had pure command-line tools (rpg and yum) and full GUI tools but nothing like aptitude.
https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
I particularly like the way vi keys work as expected inside aptitude. For me it is a fantastic way to browse through packages, see what I have installed, etc. I would have tried out Fedora by now if I knew I could use aptitude on it.
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
HellomynemisbowbthankyouvorqawlingdegdammadrnaseehowtlinehowmeyIelpyewtoday?
Uhh, no. A 14 year old wouldn't use the term "ProTip" as they wouldn't be old enough to remember it from GamePro.
So now Linux handles Active Directory and DFS shares? I can run Cisco Jabber and connect with my cow-orkers? There is a decent Visio like application I can run? Checkpoint VPN support?
-- I have a private email server in my basement.
Protip: If you don't want people to think you're some Indian scam tech support outfit, you might try using correct grammar.
Oh, you mean an outfit that provides tech support to Indian scammers?
This has all the hype and all the validity of Organic Vegetables. Bottom line is 99% of people dont care, so long as they can still surf porn, chat on Facebook and watch cat videos on youtube the rest is irrelevant to them.
Fedora provides truly free open source software, but I need truly free _libre_ open source software!
Linus Torvalds advanced things a little.
I wanted to download the ISO to run on my virtual machine software in Windows. Alas, by default, the website detected I was running a browser in Windows, and got this message:
'We have auto-detected that you are running Windows and have offered that version for download. If we have detected your operating system incorrectly or you would like to download a different version, please click the "View all platform downloads" button below. '
The software it offered me? Fedora Media Writer for Windows, which I assume is some USB writing software to help me make the transition to Fedora. Please, websites, stop treating every visitor as some clueless "need my hands held" visitor who is incapable of downloading and properly installing software. I'm sure the Fedora Media Writer for Windows is a nice enough app, but, seriously, websites, stop being so fucking "helpful" by being helpful, to the point it's almost unhelpful. If you want to help, don't help. Just link me the damn ISO, the link to the Media writer app, and let me fucking chose my poison. I can perfectly install a different OS to my machine just as easily as hosing my machine, without your help.
Media Writer doesn't work on the latest version of the macOS. It creates an unbootable USB drive.
When I think of an OS that makes it easy to switch from one I have used before the UI is just one of many things I consider. The article mentions some scripting languages that are supported out of the box, a few applications that are included, and how it's got a great kernel and package manager but those are really important only to software developers and the like.
What I'd think people that are switching operating systems would be concerned about are things like being able to read their existing media and files, has drivers/utilities for their peripherals (like a printer/scanner/fax MFD), can connect to their network (wired, wireless, whatever DSL/cable/satellite/dial-up modem they might have), and probably most importantly can run the programs they are used to and/or invested a lot of money into. There was a brief mention of supporting graphical hardware, and being able to play MP3 files but not much else.
For long time users of computers they will have a stockpile of older files and potentially software they'd like to access even on a new system. This computing inertia has been a big reason why Microsoft has been so successful, people can move from one version to the next and not worry too much about losing the ability to do things as they did before. This is especially true for technologies like VirtualPC and Boot Camp that allow people to run their old OS on their new computer alongside the new OS. (I realize the two technologies I mention don't do exactly the same thing but it does allow one to run an older Windows OS relatively painlessly and run some other OS with little difficulty for people that wish to do so.)
Fedora is much like any other Linux based OS I assume, so I assume it can run VirtualBox. WINE is probably available too. I assume it can at least read NTFS and HFS volumes, even if writing is not available the ability to read is huge. I assume it runs a few nice web browsers, office productivity suites, and e-mail programs too. I'd like to hear about those. I'm sure access to games is important to a lot of people so adding that would be a good idea but it won't be much of a selling point to people like me or for corporations.
I know some of this stuff because I'm a regular user of Linux, Mac, and Windows but honestly I don't know a whole lot about what a recent version of Linux might do to help me ditch one of my non-Linux OSes. I use my Mac for e-mail and web browsing, Linux for writing code, and Windows to run Office. I don't really try to do away with any one OS because I literally have a dozen computers in my basement, I have options.
If someone wants to sell me an OS as an alternative to MacOS or Windows then they will have to try harder. I believe I am not alone in this.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
I'm familiar with Unix, and fairly familiar with the inner workings. I've been on Fedora since fedora 20, with only minor issues till fedora 22. There seems to be alot of confusion in the comments. Things like indexing are simpler to manage than changing color of the desktop. Comments such as "Red Hat/Fedora is not Linux" is 100% correct, Fedora is not a kernel, it is an OS. There is also confusion about the stability. Fedora is stable, you can get bleeding-edge Fedora like for any OS, but that is not the subject, and I don't find it necessary. Fedora itself is not a bleeding edge version of Red Hat.
I install minimal server and add virtualisation, a desktop and only the things I need. I install desktop edition of Fedora, debian, and FreeBSD, wondows 7 and an ol Osx Mavericks only as kvm virtual machines, and the last two mostly to help convert HFS and NTFS disks. It really works great.
Ubuntu is one of the least Open source linux-based OS, and I have no use for it myself. It is probably still a better choice for someone who is computer illiterate, or transitioning, and also the OS with the most spyware in it. Of course Linus is not on ubuntu. Fedora and Debian and OpenBsd on the Unix side are really great for purists. I can't comment on arch and Suse.
I would still be hesitant to recommend Fedora for a new user; widows application users need conveniance and choices made for them, the opposite security and customisation.
That's my perspective. I think the time for fedora desktops is comming, but there is some serious misinformation and confusion in these comments.
I won't bother making an account just for this post.
Thank you for being alpha/beta testers of CentOS.
> I agree that it has come and gone, but I think that's great. I do not want for the illiterate masses to use Linux. I want for them to stay with Windows, so that criminals will target mostly Windows.
That's the FUD only the "illiterate masses" swallow: Windows is more insecure because... it's more targeted.
So perhaps Windows is for you?
Fagioli is a reetarded blowhard. Most of his stuff sounds inane like hell.
I've used both and have used Linux over 25 years as my everyday OS. Fedora is a fine OS except!! It's life time is way too small. Not many people want to reload their OS every 6 months. Ubuntu has Long Term Releases which means you can load the OS once and use it through most of the life time of the hardware without a complete rebuild of the system every 6 months. This is a far far different life cycle than their paid for Redhat or other distros like Ubuntu.
As for Gnome3, Gnome was a nice desktop for years but then came Gnome3 a desktop trying to be a tablet interface you use with your finders and also a desktop to be used with a mouse. Dear UI developers THIS DOESN'T WORK!! I call the Gnome3 desktop the Windows8 desktop for Linux. It takes 3 times as long and 3 times more clicks to do a simple function that used to take 1 click in Gnome2 or any other DE. Sadly Windows10 has a better and more usable desktop than Gnome3. I am grateful that their are other DEs that can load up on a Linux OS.
Not long ago Kali Linux went to Gnome3 which I quickly replaced with KDE. The other day I noticed you can now Kali install disks with MATE, Xfce and LXDE. Seems others had the same feeling about Gnome so they added distros with other DEs (By the way I just used the Kali version using MATE what a nice system) Kinda like the old Gnome2 nice simple and EASY TO USE.
If you want to use a Redhat product for your OS then pay to play and get Redhat. A great OS and it has a very long life cycle.
Sure Fedora is great for developers with all the newest latest and greatest but most of us are not developers and a stable long lasting OS is what we want and need.
Don't use Unity/GNOME
I only run Ubuntu with E17. My friend only runs KDE. They are both usable out of box, although you might need to customize them to get exactly the same behavior as Windows if that is what you are looking for, but both should be faster and lower resource usage than GNOME is now, and E17 tends to be rock solid (when it does crash it warns you it did and has you press F1 to recover. No loss of windows or anything, just some screen flashes as it re-renders all your currently running apps.)
That said, when Unity DOES work, there isn't a more OSX-like window manager for Linux/X. It would be neat if it was better integrated with something other than the GNOME DE elements, which have been becoming less reliable with each year as PCness has become more important than functionality.
Yes there are alternatives, but why don't publishers publish their software on linux?
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.