The open source Radeon driver works just fine, I'm using it for heavy 3D work right now. Not the case with NVidia. Linus had every reason to flip NVidia the bird, especially considering NVidia's ambition to win bags of gold selling Android chipsets.
Dalvik by itself is a resource hog and the response to user input is VISUALLY SLUGGISH (please don't deny it... it is very visible even with a quad-core). Add X support and you will have the most unresponsive mobile device in history. X is not lightweight....
That's Java working for you, it has nothing to do with X. You obviously have no clue about X. Or about much of anything, except regurgitating whatever random drivel comes to mind.
It looks like they're heading down a different path and trying to get the app stack running on Android. Buying QuickOffice suggests they won't be pushing too hard to get Libre on there.
Wow, you could interpret that position in a highly negative light. I would hope I'm wrong about that. In any case, I only used LibreOffice as one example. There are thousands more.
Given where Nokia stock is right now, I'd say that an outright buy-out may be more likely than partnership...
I'd be all for that. If Nokia were actually Microsoft instead of just a brain-controlled zombie of Microsoft, I would lose my last shred of guilt about doing my part to drive a stake through its heart.
they think people who are largely using Android or iOS will be floored by the Surface, buy one, and then want to replace their other devices so they all work with Windows...? Not bloody likely.
It's more likely that Google will finally recognize the obvious, that is, Android needs to support standard X applications so the whole code base such as LibreOffice works on Android, allowing it to function effectively as a laptop replacement, whereas right now it only kinda sorta does. Without this push from Microsoft, a bad case of hubris in the executive suite over at the former SGI headquarters would allow the current stupidity to continue, so here is a heartfelt shoutout to Microsoft for that. Otherwise, Microsoft can fuck off and die.
It blows my mind that Google can use a fairly complete Java clone over Oracles objections and pay nothing, while Apple sues people's socks off for making tablets shaped like rounded rectangles
I suspect that if Apple had sued Google over rounded corners they would have had their ass handed to them.
and yet only a small step from "6 billion dollars", huh.
Oracle has screwed up so badly even their lawyers are looking horrible.
Oracle's lawyers already looked horrible before the suit even started. Remember, these guys represented SCO. I guess shame is not a word in David Boies' vocabulary.
I mean what SOFTWARE RUNNING ON ANDROID actually makes use of a mouse? It seems so utterly useless. So what do you USE it for. In SOFTWARE. Not the OS.
Don't be stupid. You click on something, something happens. That is software using the mouse.
Yech, talking to Apple moonies makes me feel like I got something gross slimed on me.
Osborne Effect round 2, here we go, kicking Nokia in the nuts when its down. Elop will tell us all to just wait a bit longer for his master plan to work and profits to start happening.
I trust he has already moved his signing bonus to an offshore bank account.
When every other mobile ecosystem in existence uses OpenGL ES and MS is the odd man out there is no fucking way I am going to bother porting my game over. Stupid stupid stupid MS.
I love it, the fall of the empire is well under way.
It would be great on Android, it would just work the same way a bluetooth trackpad works
But what software supports it? Without the core concept of a mouse pointer, on a touch-based device a tablet is vegestal.
Android does. Bluetooth mouse support was introduced in 3.1. This is not rocket science. Sorry to rain on your iOS centric parade. Maybe Apple should get a clue.
Why would you not simply touch the screen?
Perhaps because you don't want to get any more fingerprints on it than necessary (you also have to read it you know). Or perhaps because you don't have to move your hands as far. Or perhaps because the mouse is more accurate than a finger and you can move it around faster. Or perhaps it's just your choice that you want to work that way. Of course, I understand that choice doesn't come into the argument much in an Apple centric world, but for the rest of us, it can be nice.
I don't know about iPad, maybe the software support isn't there.
It isn't because it's useless.
Maybe it's useless for a one-button sort of guy. That's not me, but suit yourself.
Someone could write custom support for a touchpad if they wished...
Did anybody? No? And even if they did it would be another thing to install just to make the device work the way it should have in the first place? Thanks for some excellent examples of why I avoid Apple products.
It's hardware that exceeds netbooks and ultrabooks, without compromising a tablet form factor.
You don't know that until you have actually tested one. Battery life might will count as "compromised". And device support might have issues. And the user interface might not make the grade. We don't know. But we can guess, and it doesn't look pretty.
It's great to see MS heat up the tablet market with more competition and variety.
I actually like the combined rubbery cover/keyboard/trackpad concept. It would suit my Android use case nicely. I wonder how long the keyboard power lasts.
this is the first tablet worthy of competing with iPad
How do you know that? Nobody has actually held one in their hands much less worked their way through all the bugs, err sorry, features. I see it playing out lilke this: the Intel version burns though its battery in two hours flat and nobody cares about it, but it does inspire Google to support LibreOffice properly on Android. The ARM version has better battery life but not all that good because there are still a lot of power management bugs not worked out, but it doesn't run Windows apps and crashes a lot so nobody cares about it.
This has all the makings of yet another embarrassing failure for Microsoft on both fronts but it should at least be good for some comic relief. I'm trembling with anticipation to see the TV ads, maybe they will bring back Chairman Gates for another go round with Seinfeld.
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The open source Radeon driver works just fine, I'm using it for heavy 3D work right now. Not the case with NVidia. Linus had every reason to flip NVidia the bird, especially considering NVidia's ambition to win bags of gold selling Android chipsets.
I don't know about ATI, but AMD's Radeon cards have been competitive for a long time.
Dalvik by itself is a resource hog and the response to user input is VISUALLY SLUGGISH (please don't deny it ... it is very visible even with a quad-core). Add X support and you will have the most unresponsive mobile device in history. X is not lightweight ....
That's Java working for you, it has nothing to do with X. You obviously have no clue about X. Or about much of anything, except regurgitating whatever random drivel comes to mind.
It looks like they're heading down a different path and trying to get the app stack running on Android. Buying QuickOffice suggests they won't be pushing too hard to get Libre on there.
Wow, you could interpret that position in a highly negative light. I would hope I'm wrong about that. In any case, I only used LibreOffice as one example. There are thousands more.
Given where Nokia stock is right now, I'd say that an outright buy-out may be more likely than partnership...
I'd be all for that. If Nokia were actually Microsoft instead of just a brain-controlled zombie of Microsoft, I would lose my last shred of guilt about doing my part to drive a stake through its heart.
They spent $400 million on marketing and reputation management of WP7. How much do you reckon they'll spend on W8?
$4 billion and everybody will still hate it.
they think people who are largely using Android or iOS will be floored by the Surface, buy one, and then want to replace their other devices so they all work with Windows...? Not bloody likely.
It's more likely that Google will finally recognize the obvious, that is, Android needs to support standard X applications so the whole code base such as LibreOffice works on Android, allowing it to function effectively as a laptop replacement, whereas right now it only kinda sorta does. Without this push from Microsoft, a bad case of hubris in the executive suite over at the former SGI headquarters would allow the current stupidity to continue, so here is a heartfelt shoutout to Microsoft for that. Otherwise, Microsoft can fuck off and die.
"First they laugh at you. Then you fail. Then they laugh at you again."
It blows my mind that Google can use a fairly complete Java clone over Oracles objections and pay nothing, while Apple sues people's socks off for making tablets shaped like rounded rectangles
I suspect that if Apple had sued Google over rounded corners they would have had their ass handed to them.
and yet only a small step from "6 billion dollars", huh.
Oracle has screwed up so badly even their lawyers are looking horrible.
Oracle's lawyers already looked horrible before the suit even started. Remember, these guys represented SCO. I guess shame is not a word in David Boies' vocabulary.
What a slap in the face... but one Oracle desperately needed.
I doubt that Larry "Big Swinging Dork" Ellison learned a thing.
I mean what SOFTWARE RUNNING ON ANDROID actually makes use of a mouse? It seems so utterly useless. So what do you USE it for. In SOFTWARE. Not the OS.
Don't be stupid. You click on something, something happens. That is software using the mouse.
Yech, talking to Apple moonies makes me feel like I got something gross slimed on me.
Way to make this decision easy. I was already convinced in principle, just not moving on it. Now I'm moving on it. Fusion FTW!
You could have done better than to repeat yourself, methinks...
Oh yeah, don't I know it. But on the other hand if my list was complete where would be the fun for you?
Osborne Effect round 2, here we go, kicking Nokia in the nuts when its down. Elop will tell us all to just wait a bit longer for his master plan to work and profits to start happening.
I trust he has already moved his signing bonus to an offshore bank account.
When every other mobile ecosystem in existence uses OpenGL ES and MS is the odd man out there is no fucking way I am going to bother porting my game over. Stupid stupid stupid MS.
I love it, the fall of the empire is well under way.
You are right, uglier than a wall plug.
Can someone explain to me why Microsoft isn't capitalizing on the phone market in the same way they have the PC market?
There are ten reasons:
1) Microsoft failed to leverage its PC monopoly onto mobile devices by fair means or foul.
2) Microsoft held onto its desktop centric UI model until it was too late (then overreacted in the other direction, threatening its desktop business)
3) Nobody trusts Microsoft.
4) Carriers do not trust Microsoft.
5) Developers do not trust Microsoft.
6) Partners do not trust Microsoft.
7) Manufacturers do not trust Microsoft.
8) The DoJ does not trust Microsoft.
9) Nobody trusts Microsoft.
10) The engineering culture at Microsoft is toxic and minimally productive.
Burning brightly right out of the gate.
It would be great on Android, it would just work the same way a bluetooth trackpad works
But what software supports it? Without the core concept of a mouse pointer, on a touch-based device a tablet is vegestal.
Android does. Bluetooth mouse support was introduced in 3.1. This is not rocket science. Sorry to rain on your iOS centric parade. Maybe Apple should get a clue.
Why would you not simply touch the screen?
Perhaps because you don't want to get any more fingerprints on it than necessary (you also have to read it you know). Or perhaps because you don't have to move your hands as far. Or perhaps because the mouse is more accurate than a finger and you can move it around faster. Or perhaps it's just your choice that you want to work that way. Of course, I understand that choice doesn't come into the argument much in an Apple centric world, but for the rest of us, it can be nice.
I don't know about iPad, maybe the software support isn't there.
It isn't because it's useless.
Maybe it's useless for a one-button sort of guy. That's not me, but suit yourself.
Someone could write custom support for a touchpad if they wished...
Did anybody? No? And even if they did it would be another thing to install just to make the device work the way it should have in the first place? Thanks for some excellent examples of why I avoid Apple products.
it's targeted at the sort of firm I work for - A dyed-in-the-wool, Windows-logo-tattoo, full time MS Enterprise consultancy
Oh, you mean like a company straight out of the last century. Good luck, you'll need it.
It's hardware that exceeds netbooks and ultrabooks, without compromising a tablet form factor.
You don't know that until you have actually tested one. Battery life might will count as "compromised". And device support might have issues. And the user interface might not make the grade. We don't know. But we can guess, and it doesn't look pretty.
It's great to see MS heat up the tablet market with more competition and variety.
I actually like the combined rubbery cover/keyboard/trackpad concept. It would suit my Android use case nicely. I wonder how long the keyboard power lasts.
Zunetab.
this is the first tablet worthy of competing with iPad
How do you know that? Nobody has actually held one in their hands much less worked their way through all the bugs, err sorry, features. I see it playing out lilke this: the Intel version burns though its battery in two hours flat and nobody cares about it, but it does inspire Google to support LibreOffice properly on Android. The ARM version has better battery life but not all that good because there are still a lot of power management bugs not worked out, but it doesn't run Windows apps and crashes a lot so nobody cares about it.
This has all the makings of yet another embarrassing failure for Microsoft on both fronts but it should at least be good for some comic relief. I'm trembling with anticipation to see the TV ads, maybe they will bring back Chairman Gates for another go round with Seinfeld.