Single threaded only... about 15% better for Intel's high end parts. Not worth the nearly 100% extra cost. Ryzen 2 got nearly even with Intel's 8000 series then more than half a year later Intel puts out the aggressively clocked 9000's and gets ahead 15%. But way behind in value even for single thread, never mind multicore which is what actually matters these days with multicore rendering and video encoding now being the common loads, single core mostly legacy or things that just don't matter with the chips on both sides already so powerful. So, Intel will most probably lose the single thread bragging point in 3 months or so and will be coming from behind on Cannon Lake, which when it finally ships in volume might find itself competing against a Zen 2 increment based on TSMC's initial EUV.
See, it's about value. You need to really stretch to find a single threaded load where 15% actually impacts anybody's experience these days, but it's a no-brainer to save nearly 50% of your processor budget to spend on what actually matters, like more memory. You want buttery smooth game streaming? Get the 2700X with more than enough cores, as opposed to the imaginary 9900K that costs way too much and runs too hot even if it was actually shipping.
Yeah, a lot of talk. Pissed off talk, switching to AMD talk. You know it's true.
In graphics. Does it overpower it in video encoding? Does it overpower it in software support for said video encoding?
Don't know. Maybe. The Ryzen APUs have VCE 4.0, also a video ASIC, as part of the Vega GPU. I don't know how the GPU figures into it, if at all, but one thing seems clear: QSV is not a reason to stick with Intel, even if transcoding is your main thing.
Adobe will port Photoshop to Java and it will run on Android.
Let's just clear up a little misconception here. Not all Android apps need to be in Java. You can develop Android apps in any language you like. Native Android apps use the same common Android libraries as Java apps.
Many reports that a normal water cooler can't cool the 9900K in *normal* use. Many. Rage against it if you like, but Intel's attempt to shoehorn 8 cores into a sunset process is shaping up as mere theatre. Not going to end well.
I'm retired and anti-fragile, so I can more safely play the game, but even them, I'm building a new persona on the Internet to decrease the danger to the projects I will be contributing to.
Yeah, right. You're just a slithering troll, your internet persona is the real you. You never contributed to anything in your life, let alone an open source project. You know how to type and that's just our bad luck.
So, I-pad home button is gone. IOW, the only way you could tell the difference between and I-pad and an Android tablet from the business side. Took a while, but Apple finally did what it always does: follows Android tailpipes.
When unit sales went south, I-phone prices went up. Inevitably, that means unit sales go even more south. That is almost the same as saying, I-phone loyalists keep their phones longer. Except I-phone loyalists are also defecting to mid-priced Android brands, or less costly Android flagships.
The Ryzen 2200U, 2500U, 2700U are fairly weak on CPU performance.
Compared to what, have you got numbers? Looks like 2200U clobbers Celeron N3050 in performance while being in the same ballpark in power consumption. Didn't look deep, but this does suggest it has a place in SFF.
Far more expensive and not available. Right now Amazon doesn't even have a preorder page up, that disappeared last week when scalpers were flipping at $1000/chip.
the single core performance seemed underwhelming on the new AMD processors, especially for the price.
Especially for the price? You've got to be kidding. The 8 core 2700 sells for $265 right now, 6 core 2600 for $160. And single core performance is respectable, I have no complaints at all. Multicore smoothness is great even if you aren't running compiles for a living. You never get some out of control web page slowing down everything the way it used to be. Mind you, I'm looking forward to the Zen 2 announce, less than 3 months from now. Most likely equivalent IPC to Intel parts while soundly beating them by every other measure.
Ryzens don't run hot but you do need to pay attention to the TDP as always. Now we are seeing some fanless Ryzen designs coming into the market. Looks like the Ryzen 3 2200U would be fine in a NUC form factor, with its 15-25 Watt power envelope. A respectable 2 core/4 thread part. I haven't seen any Ryzen NUC-like offerings yet but there seem to be a lot of folks asking for them.
Reports are that the 9900K draws way more than 95 watts when running overclocked for the fiddled benchmarks. A lot of complaints about cooling problems out there. A lot of doubt about accuracy of benchmarks. And the chip is out of stock everywhere, so a lot of people are calling it a paper release. A lot of talk about cancelling orders and going with 2700X or Threadripper instead.
What that article conveniently leaves out: taken as a whole bloc (that is, averaging all the nations), about half of sub-Saharan Africa's GDP comes from foreign aid.
Maybe because it isn't true. This paper says between 5% and 20% over the years, lately in the 10% range.
Or a round cutout for the camera, that would still be ugly but not as ugly as the notch. Don't know if anything stands in the way of that, technically.
I'm sure there's some other catch though. I understand any type of large scale power storage is going to be expensive in general, so you might not see a lot of action here, but if there's easy money being left on the table, someone should have jumped by now. I'm guessing that there might be some wishful thinking buried in here that runs afoul of physics, much like all of those kickstarters for solar powered water bottles that are mathematically impossible.
It's a serious thing. Heating/cooling on compression/decompression is most probably a serious engineering issue, for example, if an underground tank has a metal liner, what happens when it expands/contracts? Does that affect the structural stability? But this sounds plausible to me. Energy density similar to lead-acid batteries, way less expensive than li-ion, more scalable than gravity/hydro, very clean. Interested to hear what Elon Musk thinks about it. Another side business for the Boring Company, maybe.
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Or refuel on-orbit
How does the fuel get to orbit?
Once again, insane Apple engineering blindsides gullible I-phone fans. How many repeats before they get the message?
Apple cheaped out on the processor clock so if a little helium happens to waft over in the general direction of the I-phone, it crashes.
some tasks still perform better on Intel
Single threaded only... about 15% better for Intel's high end parts. Not worth the nearly 100% extra cost. Ryzen 2 got nearly even with Intel's 8000 series then more than half a year later Intel puts out the aggressively clocked 9000's and gets ahead 15%. But way behind in value even for single thread, never mind multicore which is what actually matters these days with multicore rendering and video encoding now being the common loads, single core mostly legacy or things that just don't matter with the chips on both sides already so powerful. So, Intel will most probably lose the single thread bragging point in 3 months or so and will be coming from behind on Cannon Lake, which when it finally ships in volume might find itself competing against a Zen 2 increment based on TSMC's initial EUV.
See, it's about value. You need to really stretch to find a single threaded load where 15% actually impacts anybody's experience these days, but it's a no-brainer to save nearly 50% of your processor budget to spend on what actually matters, like more memory. You want buttery smooth game streaming? Get the 2700X with more than enough cores, as opposed to the imaginary 9900K that costs way too much and runs too hot even if it was actually shipping.
Yeah, a lot of talk. Pissed off talk, switching to AMD talk. You know it's true.
Once again, insane Apple engineering blindsides gullible I-phone fans. How many repeats before they get the message?
In graphics. Does it overpower it in video encoding? Does it overpower it in software support for said video encoding?
Don't know. Maybe. The Ryzen APUs have VCE 4.0, also a video ASIC, as part of the Vega GPU. I don't know how the GPU figures into it, if at all, but one thing seems clear: QSV is not a reason to stick with Intel, even if transcoding is your main thing.
Adobe will port Photoshop to Java and it will run on Android.
Let's just clear up a little misconception here. Not all Android apps need to be in Java. You can develop Android apps in any language you like. Native Android apps use the same common Android libraries as Java apps.
What kind of loser would run Photoshop on a tablet? Oh I forgot who we're talking to here.
Many reports that a normal water cooler can't cool the 9900K in *normal* use. Many. Rage against it if you like, but Intel's attempt to shoehorn 8 cores into a sunset process is shaping up as mere theatre. Not going to end well.
It's called a "paper release". And now "ex-fans".
$800 for a Mac mini? Just no. NUC wins. AMD NUC would win even bigger :)
I'm retired and anti-fragile, so I can more safely play the game, but even them, I'm building a new persona on the Internet to decrease the danger to the projects I will be contributing to.
Yeah, right. You're just a slithering troll, your internet persona is the real you. You never contributed to anything in your life, let alone an open source project. You know how to type and that's just our bad luck.
So, I-pad home button is gone. IOW, the only way you could tell the difference between and I-pad and an Android tablet from the business side. Took a while, but Apple finally did what it always does: follows Android tailpipes.
I notice you didn't reply to blah blah blah
Because you are sick and disgusting. Sucks to be you.
When unit sales went south, I-phone prices went up. Inevitably, that means unit sales go even more south. That is almost the same as saying, I-phone loyalists keep their phones longer. Except I-phone loyalists are also defecting to mid-priced Android brands, or less costly Android flagships.
The Ryzen 2200U, 2500U, 2700U are fairly weak on CPU performance.
Compared to what, have you got numbers? Looks like 2200U clobbers Celeron N3050 in performance while being in the same ballpark in power consumption. Didn't look deep, but this does suggest it has a place in SFF.
Right, really only relevant to laptops. But I bet there are way more people encoding video on laptops than desktops.
AMD probably won't be making any serious moves in the low to mid-range desktop CPU market any time soon. Intel has that locked up.
What makes you think that? For example, HP Pavilion with Ryzen 2400G, $488. Looks like low to midrange to me.
It's brillant watching my 6-cores idling while rendering 4K video into H265 files at realtime speeds. Try that with your AMD processor
Doesn't QSV rely on the GPU? In which case the Ryzen 2400G's Vega 11 considerably outpowers the 8700k's UHD 630.
Far more expensive and not available. Right now Amazon doesn't even have a preorder page up, that disappeared last week when scalpers were flipping at $1000/chip.
the single core performance seemed underwhelming on the new AMD processors, especially for the price.
Especially for the price? You've got to be kidding. The 8 core 2700 sells for $265 right now, 6 core 2600 for $160. And single core performance is respectable, I have no complaints at all. Multicore smoothness is great even if you aren't running compiles for a living. You never get some out of control web page slowing down everything the way it used to be. Mind you, I'm looking forward to the Zen 2 announce, less than 3 months from now. Most likely equivalent IPC to Intel parts while soundly beating them by every other measure.
Ryzens don't run hot but you do need to pay attention to the TDP as always. Now we are seeing some fanless Ryzen designs coming into the market. Looks like the Ryzen 3 2200U would be fine in a NUC form factor, with its 15-25 Watt power envelope. A respectable 2 core/4 thread part. I haven't seen any Ryzen NUC-like offerings yet but there seem to be a lot of folks asking for them.
Reports are that the 9900K draws way more than 95 watts when running overclocked for the fiddled benchmarks. A lot of complaints about cooling problems out there. A lot of doubt about accuracy of benchmarks. And the chip is out of stock everywhere, so a lot of people are calling it a paper release. A lot of talk about cancelling orders and going with 2700X or Threadripper instead.
What that article conveniently leaves out: taken as a whole bloc (that is, averaging all the nations), about half of sub-Saharan Africa's GDP comes from foreign aid.
Maybe because it isn't true. This paper says between 5% and 20% over the years, lately in the 10% range.
Or a round cutout for the camera, that would still be ugly but not as ugly as the notch. Don't know if anything stands in the way of that, technically.
I'm sure there's some other catch though. I understand any type of large scale power storage is going to be expensive in general, so you might not see a lot of action here, but if there's easy money being left on the table, someone should have jumped by now. I'm guessing that there might be some wishful thinking buried in here that runs afoul of physics, much like all of those kickstarters for solar powered water bottles that are mathematically impossible.
It's a serious thing. Heating/cooling on compression/decompression is most probably a serious engineering issue, for example, if an underground tank has a metal liner, what happens when it expands/contracts? Does that affect the structural stability? But this sounds plausible to me. Energy density similar to lead-acid batteries, way less expensive than li-ion, more scalable than gravity/hydro, very clean. Interested to hear what Elon Musk thinks about it. Another side business for the Boring Company, maybe.