Real estate may be on the pricey side in Shanghai but apparently rent is not, and I find my $25K more believable for S/W Eng in Shanghai than your $17K. Whatever the truth is, it is clear that your professionals in Shanghai enjoy much the same circumstances are we do in the industrialized wast, and you can be sure that whatever gap exists will be considerably smaller by this time next year.
I cited the World Trade Organization, China Daily, and Forbes. Do you have some reason to think they are all wrong, or did we both learn something about Shanghai today?
Yes I do. I know Shanghai is expensive, so I know you need a good income to live there. And I know a lot of young professionals live there. So if somebody is telling me their living expense is the same as their income, it's immediately obvious that it's wrong.
So how to get some real numbers? That's a bit tricky. I certainly wouldn't bet my life on Forbes, and even WTO is doubtful for a number of reasons, including the difficulty of getting good numbers out of the Chinese government, who collects them, and the likelihood of those numbers being way out of date anyway. So I had an idea, what does a software engineer make? That's likely to be pretty reliable number. If it wasn't then there would be a bunch of software engineers taking shots at it. So: CNY 171,220. That's about USD $25K, that has the ring of truth. It's a range of course, from about half that to about twice that. Next question: how much does it cost to live in Shanghai? Here we go: ¥4,327.53 That's about USD $633.
Now we're getting some believable data. As a software engineer your salary will be about half of USA, but your living expense will be less than 1/5th. That's a great deal. Any trouble with my numbers? One takeaway: Shanghai isn't as expensive as I thought. Maybe if you want a water view, but not if you live near your employer, most probably an industrial park that looks a whole lot like they do in USA.
The way I see it, those kids are going to need a lot of game machines and they can easily afford them, even more so if made in China.
No it isn't, please wash your lolcat drivel mouth out with soap.
Fact: Galaxy S8 was unveiled 18 months ago. That is the 10nm node, still used by S9, so it is the current node. 7nm is months away from retail channels, assuming it is does not get delayed to 2019 for yield reasons, like Intel. Don't believe it until you see it.
14nm is one node back, not two, and 600 series Snapdragons remain current and highly respectable, contrary to what a lolcat weenie might think.
Did not see the value in a Pixel or latest Samsung flagship this time round. Got a G6+ for half the price and how sweet it is. Solid and sensible while still being slim and light. Two sim cards, how sweet, and micro SD. Front and back cameras are fine. Great sound. 8 core processor at 2.2 Ghz on an energy sipping 14nm process. More or less vanilla Android. Having trouble seeing why I want more phone than this.
Now, what kind of asshole would downmod a sensible post like that, which points out the great value you get from Motorola's not-quite-flagship lineup? Process of elimination leaves: Samsung employee. Doesn't look good on you.
The asshole who downmodded apparently didn't check the article posted by original (same?) asshole, which reports nothing whatsover about 7nm node ramp, only speculation about some future SoC.
The knuckledragging ape that downmodded is apparently incapable of comprehending you can't buy a 7nm part of anything as of today. Fact. Maybe some time before Christmas assuming production ramps up smoothly with acceptable yields. Nobody knows that yet. Until then flagship phones are 10nm.
Where did you get your income numbers? You're out by a large factor. Median Shanghai income in the 25-44 yo bracket, the bulk of the urban population, is $38,214. Smugly Posting wrong numbers to Slashdot isn't going to do a lot. If you want to do something about it then just roll up your sleeves and get back to work.
The kernel affects a lot more than just performance, stability, memory efficiency, disk performance etc. It is also about hardware support, a serious issue for Macs. And the Linux network stack seriously kicks the tail of FreeBSD. Apple fans should really consider what's under the hood when they buy into that shit, just like a car don't you think?
Yes, it's not always clear which anon coward is which, maybe consider logging in. I appreciate the sensible engineering call of going with the snapdragon 630 instead of 800 series. The word for that is "value", not to mention risk reduction. I'm looking forward to 7nm (more realistically, 30nm fin pitch) but not for a phone. I want it for my next workstation upgrade, and I want a GPU refresh, 7nm Vega looks like a good place to jump in. The miner-targeted parts also look tempting because I'm actually more interested in playing with OpenCL than games.
these console targeted chips will be diverted into super-computer use
They make their own, highly respectable supercomputing silicon. These console chips will be diverted into the hands of upwardly mobile young professionals with kids.
China has low income, and VERY high inequality, meaning a lot of very poor people and a very few rich people.
That's a distorted picture of reality in China, and fails to explain how Shanghai became one of the most expensive cities in the world. Impossible to populate a city that size with rich elite alone, you need millions of young, well paid professionals. To understand the real picture in China you need to understand how it is segregated into rural and urban economies, in large part by educational barriers. If you consider only urban areas, the income gap between China and the wealthy west is small and shrinking fast.
In the Android space, maybe, but they sold more than 20 million into consoles. Not sure about your definition of "poorly". Tegra's difficulties in the mobile market have more to do with power efficiency and Qualcomm's monopoly abuse of modem patents than processor horsepower.
Given that this embedded part has 50% more compute units than the RX 560, it would certainly have no trouble with the original Crysis and probably perfectly fine with Crysis 3. With 3/8ths of the compute units of AMD's flagship Vega 64 discrete part it is a highly respectable piece of silicon that would obviate the need for a separate GPU for most gamers if it released to retail, a nice step up from the 2400g.
Only an idiot would think people buy Apple because it's a hardware bargain.
So right. Apple hardware just isn't worth it, and the software is crap too, especially the kernel, which sucks for both performance and features vs Linux.
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Since MacOS is rarely used for servers, the throughput of the network stack is largely irrelevant for most users.
So Mac users don't use networks? Sad.
Now I understand why Apple keeps removing ports: BSD doesn't have drivers for the things that attach to them anyway :)
Real estate may be on the pricey side in Shanghai but apparently rent is not, and I find my $25K more believable for S/W Eng in Shanghai than your $17K. Whatever the truth is, it is clear that your professionals in Shanghai enjoy much the same circumstances are we do in the industrialized wast, and you can be sure that whatever gap exists will be considerably smaller by this time next year.
Sweet, and Google better try to understand the message before it gets busted up for the same reason that Apple is getting busted
I cited the World Trade Organization, China Daily, and Forbes. Do you have some reason to think they are all wrong, or did we both learn something about Shanghai today?
Yes I do. I know Shanghai is expensive, so I know you need a good income to live there. And I know a lot of young professionals live there. So if somebody is telling me their living expense is the same as their income, it's immediately obvious that it's wrong.
So how to get some real numbers? That's a bit tricky. I certainly wouldn't bet my life on Forbes, and even WTO is doubtful for a number of reasons, including the difficulty of getting good numbers out of the Chinese government, who collects them, and the likelihood of those numbers being way out of date anyway. So I had an idea, what does a software engineer make? That's likely to be pretty reliable number. If it wasn't then there would be a bunch of software engineers taking shots at it. So: CNY 171,220. That's about USD $25K, that has the ring of truth. It's a range of course, from about half that to about twice that. Next question: how much does it cost to live in Shanghai? Here we go: ¥4,327.53 That's about USD $633.
Now we're getting some believable data. As a software engineer your salary will be about half of USA, but your living expense will be less than 1/5th. That's a great deal. Any trouble with my numbers? One takeaway: Shanghai isn't as expensive as I thought. Maybe if you want a water view, but not if you live near your employer, most probably an industrial park that looks a whole lot like they do in USA.
The way I see it, those kids are going to need a lot of game machines and they can easily afford them, even more so if made in China.
My Shanghai mistake is just plain funny, I bet they get that a lot.
Tell you what, if you stay away from the ad hominems and aggressive attitude, I'll try not to make you look like a complete moron.
1) Show me where I used ad hominem on you 2) what the fuck did you just do? 3) we're obviously both wrong, the truth would be interesting.
14nm? LOL that's two gens behind.
No it isn't, please wash your lolcat drivel mouth out with soap.
Fact: Galaxy S8 was unveiled 18 months ago. That is the 10nm node, still used by S9, so it is the current node. 7nm is months away from retail channels, assuming it is does not get delayed to 2019 for yield reasons, like Intel. Don't believe it until you see it.
14nm is one node back, not two, and 600 series Snapdragons remain current and highly respectable, contrary to what a lolcat weenie might think.
Did not see the value in a Pixel or latest Samsung flagship this time round. Got a G6+ for half the price and how sweet it is. Solid and sensible while still being slim and light. Two sim cards, how sweet, and micro SD. Front and back cameras are fine. Great sound. 8 core processor at 2.2 Ghz on an energy sipping 14nm process. More or less vanilla Android. Having trouble seeing why I want more phone than this.
Now, what kind of asshole would downmod a sensible post like that, which points out the great value you get from Motorola's not-quite-flagship lineup? Process of elimination leaves: Samsung employee. Doesn't look good on you.
reading comprehension issues, missed your meds?
The asshole who downmodded apparently didn't check the article posted by original (same?) asshole, which reports nothing whatsover about 7nm node ramp, only speculation about some future SoC.
TSMC 7nm isn't in production asshole.
The knuckledragging ape that downmodded is apparently incapable of comprehending you can't buy a 7nm part of anything as of today. Fact. Maybe some time before Christmas assuming production ramps up smoothly with acceptable yields. Nobody knows that yet. Until then flagship phones are 10nm.
Where did you get your income numbers? You're out by a large factor. Median Shanghai income in the 25-44 yo bracket, the bulk of the urban population, is $38,214. Smugly Posting wrong numbers to Slashdot isn't going to do a lot. If you want to do something about it then just roll up your sleeves and get back to work.
The kernel affects a lot more than just performance, stability, memory efficiency, disk performance etc. It is also about hardware support, a serious issue for Macs. And the Linux network stack seriously kicks the tail of FreeBSD. Apple fans should really consider what's under the hood when they buy into that shit, just like a car don't you think?
Yes, it's not always clear which anon coward is which, maybe consider logging in. I appreciate the sensible engineering call of going with the snapdragon 630 instead of 800 series. The word for that is "value", not to mention risk reduction. I'm looking forward to 7nm (more realistically, 30nm fin pitch) but not for a phone. I want it for my next workstation upgrade, and I want a GPU refresh, 7nm Vega looks like a good place to jump in. The miner-targeted parts also look tempting because I'm actually more interested in playing with OpenCL than games.
these console targeted chips will be diverted into super-computer use
They make their own, highly respectable supercomputing silicon. These console chips will be diverted into the hands of upwardly mobile young professionals with kids.
The Xbonex GPU is faster...
No it isn't.
yeah? and the XBOX costs $500. moore's law is over. you pay more you get more.
Never forget to check the accuracy of claims by random self appointed expert on the internet.
What's most eye opening is the stats on the Xbox One X, it still has more horsepower than all of them.
Nonsense. Xbox One has 12 GCN compute units, this one has 24.
China has low income, and VERY high inequality, meaning a lot of very poor people and a very few rich people.
That's a distorted picture of reality in China, and fails to explain how Shanghai became one of the most expensive cities in the world. Impossible to populate a city that size with rich elite alone, you need millions of young, well paid professionals. To understand the real picture in China you need to understand how it is segregated into rural and urban economies, in large part by educational barriers. If you consider only urban areas, the income gap between China and the wealthy west is small and shrinking fast.
the tegra sold very poorly
In the Android space, maybe, but they sold more than 20 million into consoles. Not sure about your definition of "poorly". Tegra's difficulties in the mobile market have more to do with power efficiency and Qualcomm's monopoly abuse of modem patents than processor horsepower.
Given that this embedded part has 50% more compute units than the RX 560, it would certainly have no trouble with the original Crysis and probably perfectly fine with Crysis 3. With 3/8ths of the compute units of AMD's flagship Vega 64 discrete part it is a highly respectable piece of silicon that would obviate the need for a separate GPU for most gamers if it released to retail, a nice step up from the 2400g.
Only an idiot would think that the kernel is not a major part of performance, smoothness and responsiveness.
that case isn't saying that Apple has a monopoly on The iOS App Store, it's saying Apple is abusing its monopoly position of app stores for iOS
Take a deep breath, sit back, think a moment. Even you should be able to see what a ridiculous self contraction you just farted out to the internets.
It is in production of unreleased chips
That is not production, that is sampling. And better get back on your meds.
reading comprehension issues, missed your meds?
The got my loyalty for one, by giving me this solid, good looking phone for a more than decent price. Not a single glitch with it.
Only an idiot would think people buy Apple because it's a hardware bargain.
So right. Apple hardware just isn't worth it, and the software is crap too, especially the kernel, which sucks for both performance and features vs Linux.