Did not see the value in a Pixel or latest Samsung flagship this time round. Got a G6+ for half the price and how sweet it is. Solid and sensible while still being slim and light. Two sim cards, how sweet, and micro SD. Front and back cameras are fine. Great sound. 8 core processor at 2.2 Ghz on an energy sipping 14nm process. More or less vanilla Android. Having trouble seeing why I want more phone than this.
The processor is fine for what most people would use it for.
I don't know about that. It's a relatively high resolution screen and the single core throughput is low at 1.6 GHz even decent IPC on Kaby Lake. Marginally better than Atom. Reviewers are less than impressed.
Probably fine for KDE/Linux, but Windows 10... hmm.
Interesting point is how thoroughly Google and Microsoft have killed off Apple in the education space. Fact is, this market is price sensitive and Apple just can't deliver. Remember how Apple use to regard educational sales as a priority, because kids then grow up with built in brand loyalty? I sense a disturbance in that force.
sure people are using it like a laptop but it's a tablet
I'd flip that around: sure people are using it like a tablet, but it's a laptop. Please don't mind that it's even less ergonomic than an ultrabook, way slower, awful keyboard, falls over when you poke the screen. But it is lighter than an ultrabook, pretty good for a backpack or airplane dinner tray, and there is the tablet thing.
I can see this being mildly popular. Linux probably installs on it easily, without the developer mode annoyance of Chromebook. Similar price to low end Chromebooks but with several times as much flash storage, because Microsoft isn't primarily trying to force you into the cloud. The thing actually needs to act like a real PC, albeit with performance harkening back to the previous decade. I could see picking one up for a Linux install when they go on sale.
6 watt Pentium processor, Windows 10... what could possibly go wrong? I think Microsoft is going to sell quite a few of these, to people who want real windows on a real PC that is also a kind of heavy and slow tablet with mediocre battery life. But Windows! Outlook express (is that still a thing?) Microsoft Office, student edition or whatever. The list of compelling reasons why you need this gets really short, but hey, there are a lot of Windows users out there and just by the numbers game a bunch of them will buy in on the principle that it works exactly as badly as the aging laptop they already have, except slower and not upgradaeble. Booyah.
This may be the product that convincingly demonstrates the unfixable weakness of Intel Architecture for ultra mobile. Two cores + hyperthreading, 1.6 GHz. 15 watt TDP. Thirsty little bugger for such a low clock rate and core count. OK, it's going to work but the 4+4 core Snapdragon 845 at 2.8 GHz will absolutely kick its tail. Microsoft's problem: ARM Windows is not Real Windows. Ouch.
So that's lame then. Upcoming: 32 core Threadrippers at 12nm. These home built boxes will be way better than Apple's product. For what, less than half the price? Only an idiot would buy Apple.
US antitrust law doesn't define a monopoly as being the only one to make your exact name branded product. It's about control of a specific product or business *type*.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on Slashdot. But I doubt that your car analogy with stop this lawsuit which alleges that Apple abuses its monopoly control of its App store. You can rage about it if you like, but the law is the law. SCOTUS will decide.
In '97 Jobs came back.. And did something pretty rare.
Don't forget the part that Bill Gates played. Announcing the $200 million bailout to huddled Apple employees as a Big Brother talking head on a 1984 style video screen. Classic.
Other laptop computers have soldered RAM and some even soldered SSD, too. It's an industry trend.
I can see it for cheap shit Chromebooks and the like, but for something called "pro"? It just brings to mind what they say about products called "pro".
Upgrading RAM and SSD is a god given right of the PC enthusiast, sorry. A high end laptop that can't do it is a steaming pile of shit.
Apple is NOT the first to cross that threshold. That honor goes to PetroChina, who crossed the trillion dollar mark way back in 2007, though admittedly only for a day.
So PetroChina crossed the trillion dollar cap line twice, once on the way up and once on the way down. I'm looking forward to Apple doing the same.
it is neither a government-guaranteed monopoly nor a pseudo monopoly
Wrong. Apple is a monopoly according to US antitrust law, which defines a monopoly in terms of market control. Apple certainly controls both the iOS and MacOS markets, that is clear cut. It is immaterial whether a market is actually a subset of another market, such as the phone market, the PC market, or the consumer electronics market. What matters is whether it is a distinct market.
And sure, I'm going to get slimed by a bunch of zombie eyed Apple cultists for saying it, but grow up kids. This is easy to understand.
Owning a monopoly is not necessarily illegal. Abusing a monopoly is illegal.
under Cook Apple is mostly just rolling out slow improvements to things they already had, and taking the pointless decision to remove ports and the like.
Killing the headphone jack was far from pointless. It gave Apple a new revenue stream for an investment of exactly zero inventive genius. It extracts even more money from each of the otherwise stagnating pool of Apple addicts. Major point there.
I'd definitely recommend anyone considering a 2:1 "Android" solution to consider a 2:1 Chromebook instead.
Again, Android table and even phone hardware is perfectly capable of full laptop replacement, this is a software problem, not hardware. You are right, ChromeOS will be the first to offer anything like a usable desktop environment. I don't have one of those so I don't know what state its in, but its a safe bet that NIH reigns supreme... Google will want its own home rolled window manager and in the process will make all the old familiar mistakes plus a bunch of new ones of its own. It will kinda work and long suffering users will kind of have a desktop. And they will run applications, and they will complain when the applications they want to run (LibreOffice!) don't work and Google will eventually make it work to shut them up. And ChromeOS will eventually get, by a long and crooked path, to where it should have been years ago. Why oh why don't they just set up Qt?
I was curious about what was the highest resolution for nearest to $650 I could find. Best Buy's website has the Surface Pro (Intel Core M, 4GB of RAM) for $699. It has a 2736x1824 12.3" screen. That's as low as a brief search could find, though.
Not bad at all. But it's not really a laptop, you might find that that membrane keyboard is too annoying for real life.
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TSMC 7nm isn't in production asshole.
14nm? LOL that's two gens behind.
No it isn't, please wash your lolcat drivel mouth out with soap.
Did not see the value in a Pixel or latest Samsung flagship this time round. Got a G6+ for half the price and how sweet it is. Solid and sensible while still being slim and light. Two sim cards, how sweet, and micro SD. Front and back cameras are fine. Great sound. 8 core processor at 2.2 Ghz on an energy sipping 14nm process. More or less vanilla Android. Having trouble seeing why I want more phone than this.
It's a reboot of Surface 3; better processor, better battery life, smaller, lighter.
Higher screen resolution. Retargeted to the K-12 market imho. Maybe if they drop it to $450 with the keyboard it will get some traction.
The processor is fine for what most people would use it for.
I don't know about that. It's a relatively high resolution screen and the single core throughput is low at 1.6 GHz even decent IPC on Kaby Lake. Marginally better than Atom. Reviewers are less than impressed.
Probably fine for KDE/Linux, but Windows 10... hmm.
It's pushed towards education at a higher price class than most of the competitors.
Microsoft owns a sizable chunk of that market, especially outside USA:
Windows PCs gain share in K-12 in the US, but Chromebooks still dominate
Interesting point is how thoroughly Google and Microsoft have killed off Apple in the education space. Fact is, this market is price sensitive and Apple just can't deliver. Remember how Apple use to regard educational sales as a priority, because kids then grow up with built in brand loyalty? I sense a disturbance in that force.
sure people are using it like a laptop but it's a tablet
I'd flip that around: sure people are using it like a tablet, but it's a laptop. Please don't mind that it's even less ergonomic than an ultrabook, way slower, awful keyboard, falls over when you poke the screen. But it is lighter than an ultrabook, pretty good for a backpack or airplane dinner tray, and there is the tablet thing.
I can see this being mildly popular. Linux probably installs on it easily, without the developer mode annoyance of Chromebook. Similar price to low end Chromebooks but with several times as much flash storage, because Microsoft isn't primarily trying to force you into the cloud. The thing actually needs to act like a real PC, albeit with performance harkening back to the previous decade. I could see picking one up for a Linux install when they go on sale.
6 watt Pentium processor, Windows 10... what could possibly go wrong? I think Microsoft is going to sell quite a few of these, to people who want real windows on a real PC that is also a kind of heavy and slow tablet with mediocre battery life. But Windows! Outlook express (is that still a thing?) Microsoft Office, student edition or whatever. The list of compelling reasons why you need this gets really short, but hey, there are a lot of Windows users out there and just by the numbers game a bunch of them will buy in on the principle that it works exactly as badly as the aging laptop they already have, except slower and not upgradaeble. Booyah.
This may be the product that convincingly demonstrates the unfixable weakness of Intel Architecture for ultra mobile. Two cores + hyperthreading, 1.6 GHz. 15 watt TDP. Thirsty little bugger for such a low clock rate and core count. OK, it's going to work but the 4+4 core Snapdragon 845 at 2.8 GHz will absolutely kick its tail. Microsoft's problem: ARM Windows is not Real Windows. Ouch.
Apple doesn't do AMD for CPU
So that's lame then. Upcoming: 32 core Threadrippers at 12nm. These home built boxes will be way better than Apple's product. For what, less than half the price? Only an idiot would buy Apple.
US antitrust law doesn't define a monopoly as being the only one to make your exact name branded product. It's about control of a specific product or business *type*.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on Slashdot. But I doubt that your car analogy with stop this lawsuit which alleges that Apple abuses its monopoly control of its App store. You can rage about it if you like, but the law is the law. SCOTUS will decide.
You can say "handset" if you like. For most people, if it is connected to the telco network then it is a phone, whether you make calls on it or not.
In '97 Jobs came back.. And did something pretty rare.
Don't forget the part that Bill Gates played. Announcing the $200 million bailout to huddled Apple employees as a Big Brother talking head on a 1984 style video screen. Classic.
Dell said: "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."
If somebody did that today it would be an act of pure genius.
Steve raised it from the dead.
And now zombie Apple is a money machine with its shambling army of zombie cultists. Dead Steve Jobs is smiling.
Other laptop computers have soldered RAM and some even soldered SSD, too. It's an industry trend.
I can see it for cheap shit Chromebooks and the like, but for something called "pro"? It just brings to mind what they say about products called "pro".
Upgrading RAM and SSD is a god given right of the PC enthusiast, sorry. A high end laptop that can't do it is a steaming pile of shit.
Get over it.
That arrogance...
New Macbook pro has soldered storage, so it's a service nightmare again
Good grief.
iMac Pro: Released in December, 2017... Up to 18 core Xeon CPU
That's the best they could do? 32 core Epycs were already out.
Apple is NOT the first to cross that threshold. That honor goes to PetroChina, who crossed the trillion dollar mark way back in 2007, though admittedly only for a day.
So PetroChina crossed the trillion dollar cap line twice, once on the way up and once on the way down. I'm looking forward to Apple doing the same.
it is neither a government-guaranteed monopoly nor a pseudo monopoly
Wrong. Apple is a monopoly according to US antitrust law, which defines a monopoly in terms of market control. Apple certainly controls both the iOS and MacOS markets, that is clear cut. It is immaterial whether a market is actually a subset of another market, such as the phone market, the PC market, or the consumer electronics market. What matters is whether it is a distinct market.
And sure, I'm going to get slimed by a bunch of zombie eyed Apple cultists for saying it, but grow up kids. This is easy to understand.
Owning a monopoly is not necessarily illegal. Abusing a monopoly is illegal.
under Cook Apple is mostly just rolling out slow improvements to things they already had, and taking the pointless decision to remove ports and the like.
Killing the headphone jack was far from pointless. It gave Apple a new revenue stream for an investment of exactly zero inventive genius. It extracts even more money from each of the otherwise stagnating pool of Apple addicts. Major point there.
It has now been definitively proven that Apple understands monopoly better than all the Apple-critics on Slashdot
FTFW.
Apple: bringing arrogance to a hitherto unknown level the world has never seen before.
I'd definitely recommend anyone considering a 2:1 "Android" solution to consider a 2:1 Chromebook instead.
Again, Android table and even phone hardware is perfectly capable of full laptop replacement, this is a software problem, not hardware. You are right, ChromeOS will be the first to offer anything like a usable desktop environment. I don't have one of those so I don't know what state its in, but its a safe bet that NIH reigns supreme... Google will want its own home rolled window manager and in the process will make all the old familiar mistakes plus a bunch of new ones of its own. It will kinda work and long suffering users will kind of have a desktop. And they will run applications, and they will complain when the applications they want to run (LibreOffice!) don't work and Google will eventually make it work to shut them up. And ChromeOS will eventually get, by a long and crooked path, to where it should have been years ago. Why oh why don't they just set up Qt?
Yup, thanks.
Thanks for clarifying. IMHO even 20-25 is a bit rich for ORCL. Where is the growth supposed to come from? And shrink is a clear and present danger.
I was curious about what was the highest resolution for nearest to $650 I could find. Best Buy's website has the Surface Pro (Intel Core M, 4GB of RAM) for $699. It has a 2736x1824 12.3" screen. That's as low as a brief search could find, though.
Not bad at all. But it's not really a laptop, you might find that that membrane keyboard is too annoying for real life.