Good for you. Assuming you're male, go tell all your buddies you like to wear lace panties to bed and see how many friends you have left. Better yet, tell all your coworkers and see if you still have a job.
You can dismiss "society at large" anonymously on an online forum all you want, but doing so IRL can have serious consequences.
(IF, in fact, they have the same education/training/experience, and are just as good performers, then I agree, they should.)
The stuff I've read says that, currently, for the vast majority of jobs, women DO get paid equally to men for equivalent positions. There are some cases with salaried jobs where they get paid less, and that's frequently chalked up to poorer negotiating skills (basically, men are more aggressive negotiators and more willing to "walk" (or make it seem like they are) if the company doesn't offer them what they want, whereas women just take what's offered). The lion's share of the pay differences between men and women are caused by them choosing lower-paying positions (e.g., not going into engineering, and also not going into highly-paid but highly-dangerous blue collar work like underwater welding), and also by them prioritizing family over career (e.g., passing up some high-powered corporate position/promotion because it'd involve too much time away from home).
There's only so much you can do about many of these factors. For the family/career thing, one thing that could be done is to mandate equivalent leave for fathers and mothers; I believe some European countries have done this with great success. This also helps families in general by having the father there at home during the infant's first few months of life, instead of expecting the mother to do it all. For choosing different professions, that's what's being addressed now, though it seems it's not helping that much. (Personally, I think they're missing some factors, like why someone would want to go into STEM instead of medicine if they're that smart; men do it because the not-so-social ones gravitate towards a career that supposedly involves being alone in front of a computer a lot, but the career field really isn't that great considering how much competition there is (H1Bs), how unstable the positions are, and how HR wants 20 years experience in a technology that's only 5 years old, from someone who's only been out of college for 10 years.)
The 80s and 90s were high points for women in software engineering, at both university and in the workplace. Around 2000 the numbers really started to nose-dive,
It's a lot more than that. The 80s and 90s were high points for all of (western) society. Around 2000, society took a nose dive and everything is going to utter shit. I wish all the time I could go back in time and live in the 80s and 90s again.
Of course they are. It's their job to raise their kids properly and not jump on every stupid bandwagon that society (and especially marketers) comes up with.
Exactly; the article actually covered this pretty well. The problem is the stupid parents in this society who buy into this bullshit. Years ago (1970s), we didn't have all this highly-gendered toy marketing. Some toys were obviously marketed at girls (like Barbies), and others more obviously at boys (like army soldiers) but things like LEGOs were not gendered at all. Even He-Man had his comrade She-Ra who girls liked.
He's talking about acceptance by society at large. Very few people will say anything or even think anything about a girl sleeping in boxers, even though boxers are traditionally "men's underwear". However, if a man goes to bed in something traditionally considered "women's underwear", suddenly most people think he's a "pervert", "freak", etc.
Now obviously, very few people are going to see what clothes you sleep in, since this is normally confined to your bedroom. However, if you went around telling your friends and acquaintances about how you dress for sleep, imagine what they'd say. If you're a man and you tell them you sleep naked, or in boxers, etc., no one will bat an eye. If you're a woman and you tell them you wear lace panties, again no one will bat an eye, but the same is probably true if you say you wear boxers. But if you're a man and you tell someone you wear lace panties to bed, prepare to lose your friends and have everyone look at you weird.
And even though it is normally private, lots of people do sleep with other people, either sometimes or every night if they're in a relationship. How many wives could start wearing boxers to bed every night and catch any flak from their husbands about it? Probably not many; perhaps a bit of griping from a few men who'd rather see them in something sexier, but that's about it. Now how many husbands would probably be served divorce papers if they started wearing lace panties to bed, and the wife tell all her friends about it too?
Bullshit: the article itself pointed to why there's some sort of problem now right in the first few paragraphs: back in 1985, women comprised 37 percent of CS students. Now it's only 18%.
What's changed?
Obviously, you can say that the amount of interest by the two sexes is not the same, but apparently there was more interest by girls back in the 1980s. Why is it different now? That seems to be the question that no one is asking.
Tens of millions of people in Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas, and southern California disagree with you. And that doesn't count all the people living in the Middle East and northern Africa.
Same here; there's tons and tons of jobs for people with Linux expertise, and they don't require any Windows development knowledge at all (they may require you to use Windows though, for email and Office and the like). Lots of companies don't do any Windows development at all.
Any moron can point-and-click their way through using Windows for email, web browsing, Office, etc. There's a big difference between all that and doing actual development on Windows. I've never needed to know how to use Visual Studio except at one recent job, and it wasn't that hard to get up to speed enough to work on the existing project and make some changes. Since I wasn't hired for any VS experience, it wasn't a problem, they didn't have anything better for me to do at the time.
Conversely, I've had lots of success with companies being interested in my Linux development experience, and my total lack of Windows development experience on my resume.
If you think that having Windows dev experience is necessary for a job, you're a moron.
Visual Studio itself only runs on Windows, so it's absolutely useless if you use a Mac or Linux. Lots of students use Macs, and lots in the CS and engineering departments use Linux.
Open Source projects have a nasty tendency of requiring X compiler + Y patch + Z reconfiguration
Student projects shouldn't be so specific as to require specific compiler versions and library versions (or any libraries at all besides the standard ones).
However, if you really do have a problem like that, the answer is simple: provide the students with a VM image to use for all their work. Everyone in the class that semester and the professor use the exact same VM image, so everything works the same.
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I'm not aware of any product where the primary ingredient is HFCS.
You've never heard of Coca-Cola or any other soda? Besides water, sugar is the main ingredient.
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No, table sugar is the same, 55/45. The difference is that table sugar is sucrose, a complex molecule which is broken down by the body into glucose and fructose. HFCS is already broken down into the simpler glucose and fructose molecules so your body doesn't have to expend energy doing that, and can just pump it directly into your bloodstream.
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However, I wish there was some way to get it into people's heads that they shouldn't be eating so much of this stuff, and should eat more unprocessed real foods.
Good luck with that: "this stuff" is cheap (that's why they use it instead of stuff like butter and real sugar), and with the middle class disappearing in this country, a lot of people simply don't have money for "unprocessed real foods".
Also, there's evidence that some of this stuff (like HFCS) is addictive.
It's not just Germany and Italy though: Mexico and Brazil also have "states". Mexico's full name after all is "The United States of Mexico" (translated). And AFAIK neither of those countries is a product of independent states unifying in modern times. Neither is Australia.
You have plenty of audio and video editors along with graphics design tools, development environments, etc.
To be fair, that's all work stuff, not entertainment.
But you're right: the entertainment thing is much less a problem than it used to be, now that Netflix and friends work out-of-the-box in Linux and Steam is there. It's of course not as complete as Windows, since all games work there, but there's plenty of entertainment on Linux now, and the *only* thing which is lacking is some video games.
This is even obvious in the terminology used - state in every other part of the world means country but in the US its what others would call a providence.
You're not just wrong, you're doubly wrong. "Providence" comes from the same root as "provide", and means either divine intervention or management of resources. You're thinking of "province", which is what Canada calls most of their regions. And Germany also calls their regions "states", as does Australia (which, just like the US, has some which are "states" and some which are "territories"; Guam, Micronesia, and Puerto Rico are US territories but not (yet) states, just like Alaska and Hawaii and Arizona used to be). And I can't think of any other country in the world besides Canada that uses the term "province". In Japan, regions are called "prefectures". In England, they're called "counties".
Not necessarily. If you have an app that stays in the background, it may ping a server occasionally to see if there's any new messages, or to let the server know it's still connected. A quick ping every 5 minutes is not going to affect your data limit significantly.
No, it's like burning down your nasty old trailer home to remove mildew, and then going to live with a bunch of really smart people in a Utopian society where everyone has a fully up-to-date giant mansion or penthouse (your choice), for free. And even better, every time some better home appliance comes out, your house is automatically upgraded for free.
Maybe, maybe not. There's definitely nothing wrong, and it's actually commendable IMO, that he's trying to make things better for his employer so they're not completely screwed (in his opinion) after he leaves. However, if they're so dumb they don't want to actually follow his advice regarding data retention and would rather blindly follow dumb policies and then have to reinvent the wheel later, there isn't much he can do about that, nor should he. Management is supposed to be competent enough to handle these things, and if they're not, oh well.
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Oh please, this stuff is all over the tech news these days. It isn't just Slashdot.
Good for you. Assuming you're male, go tell all your buddies you like to wear lace panties to bed and see how many friends you have left. Better yet, tell all your coworkers and see if you still have a job.
You can dismiss "society at large" anonymously on an online forum all you want, but doing so IRL can have serious consequences.
Quite likely. A lot of Gen-Yers (including men) seem to be underachieving career-wise. But that still doesn't explain the gender discrepancy.
That was a generation ago; these aren't the same women, so your explanation makes zero sense. Something's changed in society.
(IF, in fact, they have the same education/training/experience, and are just as good performers, then I agree, they should.)
The stuff I've read says that, currently, for the vast majority of jobs, women DO get paid equally to men for equivalent positions. There are some cases with salaried jobs where they get paid less, and that's frequently chalked up to poorer negotiating skills (basically, men are more aggressive negotiators and more willing to "walk" (or make it seem like they are) if the company doesn't offer them what they want, whereas women just take what's offered). The lion's share of the pay differences between men and women are caused by them choosing lower-paying positions (e.g., not going into engineering, and also not going into highly-paid but highly-dangerous blue collar work like underwater welding), and also by them prioritizing family over career (e.g., passing up some high-powered corporate position/promotion because it'd involve too much time away from home).
There's only so much you can do about many of these factors. For the family/career thing, one thing that could be done is to mandate equivalent leave for fathers and mothers; I believe some European countries have done this with great success. This also helps families in general by having the father there at home during the infant's first few months of life, instead of expecting the mother to do it all. For choosing different professions, that's what's being addressed now, though it seems it's not helping that much. (Personally, I think they're missing some factors, like why someone would want to go into STEM instead of medicine if they're that smart; men do it because the not-so-social ones gravitate towards a career that supposedly involves being alone in front of a computer a lot, but the career field really isn't that great considering how much competition there is (H1Bs), how unstable the positions are, and how HR wants 20 years experience in a technology that's only 5 years old, from someone who's only been out of college for 10 years.)
The 80s and 90s were high points for women in software engineering, at both university and in the workplace. Around 2000 the numbers really started to nose-dive,
It's a lot more than that. The 80s and 90s were high points for all of (western) society. Around 2000, society took a nose dive and everything is going to utter shit. I wish all the time I could go back in time and live in the 80s and 90s again.
But are parents partly to blame?
Of course they are. It's their job to raise their kids properly and not jump on every stupid bandwagon that society (and especially marketers) comes up with.
Exactly; the article actually covered this pretty well. The problem is the stupid parents in this society who buy into this bullshit. Years ago (1970s), we didn't have
all this highly-gendered toy marketing. Some toys were obviously marketed at girls (like Barbies), and others more obviously at boys (like army soldiers) but things like LEGOs were not gendered at all. Even He-Man had his comrade She-Ra who girls liked.
He's talking about acceptance by society at large. Very few people will say anything or even think anything about a girl sleeping in boxers, even though boxers are traditionally "men's underwear". However, if a man goes to bed in something traditionally considered "women's underwear", suddenly most people think he's a "pervert", "freak", etc.
Now obviously, very few people are going to see what clothes you sleep in, since this is normally confined to your bedroom. However, if you went around telling your friends and acquaintances about how you dress for sleep, imagine what they'd say. If you're a man and you tell them you sleep naked, or in boxers, etc., no one will bat an eye. If you're a woman and you tell them you wear lace panties, again no one will bat an eye, but the same is probably true if you say you wear boxers. But if you're a man and you tell someone you wear lace panties to bed, prepare to lose your friends and have everyone look at you weird.
And even though it is normally private, lots of people do sleep with other people, either sometimes or every night if they're in a relationship. How many wives could start wearing boxers to bed every night and catch any flak from their husbands about it? Probably not many; perhaps a bit of griping from a few men who'd rather see them in something sexier, but that's about it. Now how many husbands would probably be served divorce papers if they started wearing lace panties to bed, and the wife tell all her friends about it too?
Bullshit: the article itself pointed to why there's some sort of problem now right in the first few paragraphs: back in 1985, women comprised 37 percent of CS students. Now it's only 18%.
What's changed?
Obviously, you can say that the amount of interest by the two sexes is not the same, but apparently there was more interest by girls back in the 1980s. Why is it different now? That seems to be the question that no one is asking.
Nobody lives in the desert
Tens of millions of people in Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas, and southern California disagree with you. And that doesn't count all the people living in the Middle East and northern Africa.
Most students use Windows,
No, that depends entirely on the school and the department.
Same here; there's tons and tons of jobs for people with Linux expertise, and they don't require any Windows development knowledge at all (they may require you to use Windows though, for email and Office and the like). Lots of companies don't do any Windows development at all.
Any moron can point-and-click their way through using Windows for email, web browsing, Office, etc. There's a big difference between all that and doing actual development on Windows. I've never needed to know how to use Visual Studio except at one recent job, and it wasn't that hard to get up to speed enough to work on the existing project and make some changes. Since I wasn't hired for any VS experience, it wasn't a problem, they didn't have anything better for me to do at the time.
Conversely, I've had lots of success with companies being interested in my Linux development experience, and my total lack of Windows development experience on my resume.
If you think that having Windows dev experience is necessary for a job, you're a moron.
Visual Studio itself only runs on Windows, so it's absolutely useless if you use a Mac or Linux. Lots of students use Macs, and lots in the CS and engineering departments use Linux.
Open Source projects have a nasty tendency of requiring X compiler + Y patch + Z reconfiguration
Student projects shouldn't be so specific as to require specific compiler versions and library versions (or any libraries at all besides the standard ones).
However, if you really do have a problem like that, the answer is simple: provide the students with a VM image to use for all their work. Everyone in the class that semester and the professor use the exact same VM image, so everything works the same.
I'm not aware of any product where the primary ingredient is HFCS.
You've never heard of Coca-Cola or any other soda? Besides water, sugar is the main ingredient.
No, table sugar is the same, 55/45. The difference is that table sugar is sucrose, a complex molecule which is broken down by the body into glucose and fructose. HFCS is already broken down into the simpler glucose and fructose molecules so your body doesn't have to expend energy doing that, and can just pump it directly into your bloodstream.
However, I wish there was some way to get it into people's heads that they shouldn't be eating so much of this stuff, and should eat more unprocessed real foods.
Good luck with that: "this stuff" is cheap (that's why they use it instead of stuff like butter and real sugar), and with the middle class disappearing in this country, a lot of people simply don't have money for "unprocessed real foods".
Also, there's evidence that some of this stuff (like HFCS) is addictive.
It's not just Germany and Italy though: Mexico and Brazil also have "states". Mexico's full name after all is "The United States of Mexico" (translated). And AFAIK neither of those countries is a product of independent states unifying in modern times. Neither is Australia.
You have plenty of audio and video editors along with graphics design tools, development environments, etc.
To be fair, that's all work stuff, not entertainment.
But you're right: the entertainment thing is much less a problem than it used to be, now that Netflix and friends work out-of-the-box in Linux and Steam is there. It's of course not as complete as Windows, since all games work there, but there's plenty of entertainment on Linux now, and the *only* thing which is lacking is some video games.
This is even obvious in the terminology used - state in every other part of the world means country but in the US its what others would call a providence.
You're not just wrong, you're doubly wrong. "Providence" comes from the same root as "provide", and means either divine intervention or management of resources. You're thinking of "province", which is what Canada calls most of their regions. And Germany also calls their regions "states", as does Australia (which, just like the US, has some which are "states" and some which are "territories"; Guam, Micronesia, and Puerto Rico are US territories but not (yet) states, just like Alaska and Hawaii and Arizona used to be). And I can't think of any other country in the world besides Canada that uses the term "province". In Japan, regions are called "prefectures". In England, they're called "counties".
Not necessarily. If you have an app that stays in the background, it may ping a server occasionally to see if there's any new messages, or to let the server know it's still connected. A quick ping every 5 minutes is not going to affect your data limit significantly.
No, it's like burning down your nasty old trailer home to remove mildew, and then going to live with a bunch of really smart people in a Utopian society where everyone has a fully up-to-date giant mansion or penthouse (your choice), for free. And even better, every time some better home appliance comes out, your house is automatically upgraded for free.
Maybe, maybe not. There's definitely nothing wrong, and it's actually commendable IMO, that he's trying to make things better for his employer so they're not completely screwed (in his opinion) after he leaves. However, if they're so dumb they don't want to actually follow his advice regarding data retention and would rather blindly follow dumb policies and then have to reinvent the wheel later, there isn't much he can do about that, nor should he. Management is supposed to be competent enough to handle these things, and if they're not, oh well.