Isn't that the same thing? If Apple told them to clamor for spyware, they'd clamor for spyware. They're told to clamor for thinner and lighter according to you, so they clamor for thinner and lighter, which is exactly what I claimed. The root cause is interesting, but doesn't invalidate the premise.
Well, the Apple followers seem to happily buy Apple stuff no matter what, so I have to assume they agree with Apple's design decisions. They sure do vocally back them up on online forums.
If they didn't agree, they'd buy Android phones or hang onto their Apple phones longer. Look what happened when Samsung decided their customers all wanted an iPhone clone that was thinner and had no removeable battery, SDcard, or waterproof case (the Galaxy S6): sales were pretty dismal. They brought back 2 of those 3 features with the S7 and sales were a lot better. This never happens with iPhones.
Voluntarily and repeatedly using something you really hate, when you have no really good reason for it (such as your livelihood depending on it, so you don't get fired and become homeless), is indicative of a psychological problem IMO, perhaps some kind of addiction.
I don't use it. And when friends or family ask me about it, I tell them "anything but Windows 10."
Yeah, I do the exact same. I'm just sick of people buying and voluntarily using Win10, and then bitching and complaining about it. It's like going out and buying a brand-new Yugo and then complaining about how unreliable it is. I refuse to coddle people who make poor choices.
I am currently configuring a laptop for a friend of the family who is just starting college. Guess what he's not getting? Windows 10. Guess what he is getting? Linux.
Yeah, I recently did this for an older friend of the family who's about 75. He's using Linux Mint 17.3 KDE. He says it "works like a charm". Other than one support call early on, I haven't heard anything back from him, because it just works.
And so is the crap coming from MS.
On the contrary, I find it funny, I just get annoyed at the complaints about it. But it's kinda funny to watch people suffer so much and then keep going back for more abuse, and justify it somehow, sorta like Stockholm Syndrome.
No one forced you to waste $2k on games which require you to run a horrible OS. That was your own choice. If you don't like the OS, stop using it and sell the games.
Too bad I still have to fix stupid stuff on Windows server, Exchange and other proprietary software.
You "have to"? I'm assuming this is part of your job. If so, that's not a problem: the whole reason you work is to make money, and part of doing work is doing stuff that's not any fun. I work with Windows some at work too. I don't really care there, because if it crashes or anything, then it's the IT department's problem and I get paid to sit around and not do anything. If you're paid to fix these dumb problems, that's no different than being paid to dig ditches or flip burgers; you'd rather do something else like go to the beach, but you do this job because it gives you money, and presumably fixing Windows problems isn't quite as horrible as digging ditches or flipping burgers or cleaning toilets every day while paying far better to boot.
Your work computing environment is mostly out of your hands, and not your concern. Your home computing environment is entirely in your hands, and your personal time should be valuable to you, too valuable to waste on bullshit.
If the battery had sufficient capacity and the operating system and applications were power efficient enough, then there would be little chance of the battery dropping below that 20% mark.
How are you supposed to do this with all the bloatware and adware and spyware on the phone?
Who are these people "clamoring" for thinner and lighter? The only people I've seen like that are Apple buyers.
This is like claiming that "the public is clamoring for bare-bones utilitarian off-road vehicles" just because there's a small but vocal crowd of Jeep fanatics.
My current phone has a replaceable battery. It's a Samsung Galaxy S4. The newer S5 also has a replaceable battery.
If this feature is important to you, then buy a phone that has it. If your phone doesn't have it, then it must not be an important feature to you. Phones like this DO exist.
Coupled with the crew who sees such things as SUV's or imperial measurements as somehow being patriotic
Those SUVs are all metric these days: all the American automakers went metric ages ago, starting in the 70s, and finishing probably in the 2000s. The construction and defense industries are probably the last big holdouts for SAE-size fasteners and linear measures.
Basically, here in the US, we're converting to metric where it makes economic and practical sense to do so. Working with SAE-size fasteners is a PITA, because of the fractions and the need for separate tools, so if you want to sell cars globally you need to use metric parts. We don't build houses for export so there's not much call to switch over there, plus you don't use fractions that much in construction, and the English units are generally pretty easy: drywall is 4x8, studs are every 16 or 24 inches, etc. As long as you know there's 12 inches in a foot, you can handle it. Equivalent metric sizes are always in 3-digit centimeter counts.
As soon as you fuckers pay us the billions of dollars it would cost to switch everything over, we'll talk. We invented computer printers and photocopiers after all, so rightfully you should be using our standards for paper. If you're not going to pay for the costs of converting a society of 310+M people, then fuck off. We never pushed any standards on you.
Suppose you have to go through a routine IRS audit (you're a business or something so this isn't unusual), and you somehow convince your local IRS representative/auditor to give you a giant break on taxes. The main IRS later finds out about this auditor's actions, deems them illegal, and now wants you to pay your back taxes. Sorry, I don't see a problem with that.
Apparently, you are. Whining about it and making bold proclamations to the contrary won't change it, or how Microsoft treats you. If you don't like being their beta tester, then maybe you shouldn't use Microsoft products.
Here again the pro-metric people tout something much like unit conversion. The thing you always miss is: why should I care? No one actually prints on half-sheets of paper and cares about the different aspect ratio. Almost no one outside the printing industry cares about being able to scale an image up with the same aspect ratio. Almost everyone just gets a printer that prints in letter/A4 size, and they use that one size of paper for their entire lifetime.
Asking an entire society to change something because a tiny minority of people in one small industry find it easier does not make economic sense.
This is an old argument. The thing you're missing is that unit conversion simply isn't important to most people who aren't scientists or engineers. Think about Suzy Homemaker or HR Manager Bob: why would they ever need to convert between inches, yards, or miles? Or better yet, why would they ever need to do a unit conversion involving temperature? Very few people in society ever use the Ideal Gas Law outside of Chemistry 101, and the people who do don't use Fahrenheit, or Celcius, they use Kelvins. In short, the people who care about unit conversions are already using the SI system when they do such work, and those same people have zero trouble converting between English and metric as necessary. For everyone else, they simply don't care, and it doesn't affect their daily lives.
There's nothing wrong with laughing and gloating at someone else's misfortune, when that other person or party was evil. Do you criticize people who cheer about the Death Star being blown up in Star Wars too? Or the people who back in 1945 cheered when Nazi Germany fell?
Now that said, from what I've read about this satellite, it actually was meant to replace a failing communications satellite for providing Internet service to Africa, so it had some noble and useful intentions, so I'm not laughing about this, despite its association with Facebook (not everything they do is evil), as it may result in a lot of Africans losing their internet access soon.
Yep, that's my attitude. And you can try out CyanogenMod on one of these, as the Samsung flagship phones are usually the best for running alternative ROMs due to their popularity and top-grade hardware.
If there's 300 million people happy to buy your phone with bloatware because they're stupid and don't care and don't know any better (and attempts to educate them fail) and are unwilling to pay extra for a bloatware-free version, and there's 20,000 people who want to buy your phone but without bloatware, guess who the company is going to listen to? It usually isn't worth it for companies to cater to small niche customer groups, even if they're willing to pay more. With some things, some smaller and more agile competitor can come in and cater to these customers, but that only works in some instances. Not many people are willing to spend ten times as much for a phone just to have a bloatware-free version (and those who are buy a Vertu, but these are people who can afford Ferraris and Bentleys), and with smartphones, it's not really a market where a competitor can seriously make something that rivals what a company like Samsung can make. (The Vertu phones appear to have the electronics outsourced to Nokia or some other larger maker, so they're not doing it all in-house.)
As I said before, CyanogenMod and CyanogenOS are two different things. From my quick google search, what you're talking about does not apply to CyanogenMod, which is entirely open-source. The OnePlus One uses CyanogenOS.
This is like complaining about Google's telemetry in the Chromium browser (i.e., it doesn't exist, that's in Chrome).
But it's not really about "where does the energy go." This thing is being sold as "doesn't send stuff out one end of spacecraft" and "imparts momentum."
It doesn't send mass out one end of the spacecraft, but the thing does consume energy, and quite a lot of it too from what I read. It's not a perpetual motion machine; those are allegedly able to continue operating with no energy input at all (aside from the initial amount required to achieve perpetual motion). This thing supposedly produces thrust using only energy, and no mass (ejected).
What's wrong with Cyanogen, besides the annoyance and difficulty of finding a phone it works well on, rooting it, etc. (i.e., it's not an out-of-the-box thing)?
If you're talking about CyanogenOS, that's different from CyanogenMod.
Yes, Google has made some other big winners: the two biggest ones are GMail and Google Maps. GMail's been going great for over 10 years now (though they pushed through a crappy UI change a while back, but everyone's been making crappy UIs now for some time, including Apple with their buttons that don't look like buttons), and Maps is unparalleled as a platform that provides both mapping, turn-by-turn navigation, plus a business directory, so I can do a search for "greek restaurant" in some unfamiliar city I'm in, find a place nearby, look at reviews to make sure I won't get food poisoning, and then have it navigate me there, all within one convenient app.
They also have Hangouts Dialer, which lets me make free VoIP calls, and a lot of people seem to like Google Voice.
They do have a serious problem with abandoning products, so don't make yourself too dependent on them if it's not one of their big flagship products (search, Gmail, Maps), since they do have a history of pulling the rug out.
As for Android being a "negative brand", that's just plain stupid. It has some serious flaws to be sure, but it's the *only* viable competitor to iPhone, which has gigantic problems of its own.
How is this not in their interest? Why should Google give two shits about what Nexus users want, especially as far as having a bloatware-free phone?
If you're one of these people who wants a bloatware-free phone, what are your options? Right now, it's to get an iPhone, get a Nexus, or use an alternative ROM like CyanogenMod. Presumably, people who really like Nexus really don't want an iPhone for various reasons, or else they would already have one; I think it's safe to assume that these people are invested in the Android ecosystem and want to stay away from the Apple ecosystem. So that leaves Nexus and CM. If they were technically skilled and comfortable with doing things like rooting phones and installing alt-ROMs, they probably would have just gone that route already, since you can get much better phones that way (like the Galaxy S series, with removable batteries up to S5 and expandable storage and the best screens available, plus excellent availability of spare parts). So Nexus users appear to be people who don't like Apple, and aren't comfortable with or don't want the hassle of the DIY approach that CM offers; they want something they can just buy off-the-shelf and have a bloatware-free, stock Android experience phone with timely updates.
Now Google is removing that. So what are these people going to do?
I don't think any of them are moving to iPhone. Maybe a select few will finally decide to take the CM plunge. But the rest are just going to get the new bloated-up "G" phone, and any others will just get some other Android phone. Either way, Google wins, as they get to push more bloatware and spying on the users and increase profits.
This is no different from everyone bitching and complaining about Windows 10 and how it's bad for MS's customers. It's good for MS because the customers aren't going to go anywhere, they're just going to complain and then bend over.
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Isn't that the same thing? If Apple told them to clamor for spyware, they'd clamor for spyware. They're told to clamor for thinner and lighter according to you, so they clamor for thinner and lighter, which is exactly what I claimed. The root cause is interesting, but doesn't invalidate the premise.
Well, the Apple followers seem to happily buy Apple stuff no matter what, so I have to assume they agree with Apple's design decisions. They sure do vocally back them up on online forums.
If they didn't agree, they'd buy Android phones or hang onto their Apple phones longer. Look what happened when Samsung decided their customers all wanted an iPhone clone that was thinner and had no removeable battery, SDcard, or waterproof case (the Galaxy S6): sales were pretty dismal. They brought back 2 of those 3 features with the S7 and sales were a lot better. This never happens with iPhones.
Voluntarily and repeatedly using something you really hate, when you have no really good reason for it (such as your livelihood depending on it, so you don't get fired and become homeless), is indicative of a psychological problem IMO, perhaps some kind of addiction.
I don't use it. And when friends or family ask me about it, I tell them "anything but Windows 10."
Yeah, I do the exact same. I'm just sick of people buying and voluntarily using Win10, and then bitching and complaining about it. It's like going out and buying a brand-new Yugo and then complaining about how unreliable it is. I refuse to coddle people who make poor choices.
I am currently configuring a laptop for a friend of the family who is just starting college. Guess what he's not getting? Windows 10. Guess what he is getting? Linux.
Yeah, I recently did this for an older friend of the family who's about 75. He's using Linux Mint 17.3 KDE. He says it "works like a charm". Other than one support call early on, I haven't heard anything back from him, because it just works.
And so is the crap coming from MS.
On the contrary, I find it funny, I just get annoyed at the complaints about it. But it's kinda funny to watch people suffer so much and then keep going back for more abuse, and justify it somehow, sorta like Stockholm Syndrome.
No one forced you to waste $2k on games which require you to run a horrible OS. That was your own choice. If you don't like the OS, stop using it and sell the games.
Too bad I still have to fix stupid stuff on Windows server, Exchange and other proprietary software.
You "have to"? I'm assuming this is part of your job. If so, that's not a problem: the whole reason you work is to make money, and part of doing work is doing stuff that's not any fun. I work with Windows some at work too. I don't really care there, because if it crashes or anything, then it's the IT department's problem and I get paid to sit around and not do anything. If you're paid to fix these dumb problems, that's no different than being paid to dig ditches or flip burgers; you'd rather do something else like go to the beach, but you do this job because it gives you money, and presumably fixing Windows problems isn't quite as horrible as digging ditches or flipping burgers or cleaning toilets every day while paying far better to boot.
Your work computing environment is mostly out of your hands, and not your concern. Your home computing environment is entirely in your hands, and your personal time should be valuable to you, too valuable to waste on bullshit.
If the battery had sufficient capacity and the operating system and applications were power efficient enough, then there would be little chance of the battery dropping below that 20% mark.
How are you supposed to do this with all the bloatware and adware and spyware on the phone?
Who are these people "clamoring" for thinner and lighter? The only people I've seen like that are Apple buyers.
This is like claiming that "the public is clamoring for bare-bones utilitarian off-road vehicles" just because there's a small but vocal crowd of Jeep fanatics.
My current phone has a replaceable battery. It's a Samsung Galaxy S4. The newer S5 also has a replaceable battery.
If this feature is important to you, then buy a phone that has it. If your phone doesn't have it, then it must not be an important feature to you. Phones like this DO exist.
Coupled with the crew who sees such things as SUV's or imperial measurements as somehow being patriotic
Those SUVs are all metric these days: all the American automakers went metric ages ago, starting in the 70s, and finishing probably in the 2000s. The construction and defense industries are probably the last big holdouts for SAE-size fasteners and linear measures.
Basically, here in the US, we're converting to metric where it makes economic and practical sense to do so. Working with SAE-size fasteners is a PITA, because of the fractions and the need for separate tools, so if you want to sell cars globally you need to use metric parts. We don't build houses for export so there's not much call to switch over there, plus you don't use fractions that much in construction, and the English units are generally pretty easy: drywall is 4x8, studs are every 16 or 24 inches, etc. As long as you know there's 12 inches in a foot, you can handle it. Equivalent metric sizes are always in 3-digit centimeter counts.
As soon as you fuckers pay us the billions of dollars it would cost to switch everything over, we'll talk. We invented computer printers and photocopiers after all, so rightfully you should be using our standards for paper. If you're not going to pay for the costs of converting a society of 310+M people, then fuck off. We never pushed any standards on you.
I don't think this is correct.
Suppose you have to go through a routine IRS audit (you're a business or something so this isn't unusual), and you somehow convince your local IRS representative/auditor to give you a giant break on taxes. The main IRS later finds out about this auditor's actions, deems them illegal, and now wants you to pay your back taxes. Sorry, I don't see a problem with that.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
All this complaining about Windows 10 is getting really old and tired.
WE ARE NOT YOUR BETA TESTERS.
Apparently, you are. Whining about it and making bold proclamations to the contrary won't change it, or how Microsoft treats you. If you don't like being their beta tester, then maybe you shouldn't use Microsoft products.
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Here again the pro-metric people tout something much like unit conversion. The thing you always miss is: why should I care? No one actually prints on half-sheets of paper and cares about the different aspect ratio. Almost no one outside the printing industry cares about being able to scale an image up with the same aspect ratio. Almost everyone just gets a printer that prints in letter/A4 size, and they use that one size of paper for their entire lifetime.
Asking an entire society to change something because a tiny minority of people in one small industry find it easier does not make economic sense.
This is an old argument. The thing you're missing is that unit conversion simply isn't important to most people who aren't scientists or engineers. Think about Suzy Homemaker or HR Manager Bob: why would they ever need to convert between inches, yards, or miles? Or better yet, why would they ever need to do a unit conversion involving temperature? Very few people in society ever use the Ideal Gas Law outside of Chemistry 101, and the people who do don't use Fahrenheit, or Celcius, they use Kelvins. In short, the people who care about unit conversions are already using the SI system when they do such work, and those same people have zero trouble converting between English and metric as necessary. For everyone else, they simply don't care, and it doesn't affect their daily lives.
There's nothing wrong with laughing and gloating at someone else's misfortune, when that other person or party was evil. Do you criticize people who cheer about the Death Star being blown up in Star Wars too? Or the people who back in 1945 cheered when Nazi Germany fell?
Now that said, from what I've read about this satellite, it actually was meant to replace a failing communications satellite for providing Internet service to Africa, so it had some noble and useful intentions, so I'm not laughing about this, despite its association with Facebook (not everything they do is evil), as it may result in a lot of Africans losing their internet access soon.
Yep, that's my attitude. And you can try out CyanogenMod on one of these, as the Samsung flagship phones are usually the best for running alternative ROMs due to their popularity and top-grade hardware.
The other problem is the size of the market:
If there's 300 million people happy to buy your phone with bloatware because they're stupid and don't care and don't know any better (and attempts to educate them fail) and are unwilling to pay extra for a bloatware-free version, and there's 20,000 people who want to buy your phone but without bloatware, guess who the company is going to listen to? It usually isn't worth it for companies to cater to small niche customer groups, even if they're willing to pay more. With some things, some smaller and more agile competitor can come in and cater to these customers, but that only works in some instances. Not many people are willing to spend ten times as much for a phone just to have a bloatware-free version (and those who are buy a Vertu, but these are people who can afford Ferraris and Bentleys), and with smartphones, it's not really a market where a competitor can seriously make something that rivals what a company like Samsung can make. (The Vertu phones appear to have the electronics outsourced to Nokia or some other larger maker, so they're not doing it all in-house.)
Incorrect.
As I said before, CyanogenMod and CyanogenOS are two different things. From my quick google search, what you're talking about does not apply to CyanogenMod, which is entirely open-source. The OnePlus One uses CyanogenOS.
This is like complaining about Google's telemetry in the Chromium browser (i.e., it doesn't exist, that's in Chrome).
But it's not really about "where does the energy go." This thing is being sold as "doesn't send stuff out one end of spacecraft" and "imparts momentum."
It doesn't send mass out one end of the spacecraft, but the thing does consume energy, and quite a lot of it too from what I read. It's not a perpetual motion machine; those are allegedly able to continue operating with no energy input at all (aside from the initial amount required to achieve perpetual motion). This thing supposedly produces thrust using only energy, and no mass (ejected).
What's wrong with Cyanogen, besides the annoyance and difficulty of finding a phone it works well on, rooting it, etc. (i.e., it's not an out-of-the-box thing)?
If you're talking about CyanogenOS, that's different from CyanogenMod.
Are you some kind of Apple fanboy or something?
Yes, Google has made some other big winners: the two biggest ones are GMail and Google Maps. GMail's been going great for over 10 years now (though they pushed through a crappy UI change a while back, but everyone's been making crappy UIs now for some time, including Apple with their buttons that don't look like buttons), and Maps is unparalleled as a platform that provides both mapping, turn-by-turn navigation, plus a business directory, so I can do a search for "greek restaurant" in some unfamiliar city I'm in, find a place nearby, look at reviews to make sure I won't get food poisoning, and then have it navigate me there, all within one convenient app.
They also have Hangouts Dialer, which lets me make free VoIP calls, and a lot of people seem to like Google Voice.
They do have a serious problem with abandoning products, so don't make yourself too dependent on them if it's not one of their big flagship products (search, Gmail, Maps), since they do have a history of pulling the rug out.
As for Android being a "negative brand", that's just plain stupid. It has some serious flaws to be sure, but it's the *only* viable competitor to iPhone, which has gigantic problems of its own.
How is this not in their interest? Why should Google give two shits about what Nexus users want, especially as far as having a bloatware-free phone?
If you're one of these people who wants a bloatware-free phone, what are your options? Right now, it's to get an iPhone, get a Nexus, or use an alternative ROM like CyanogenMod. Presumably, people who really like Nexus really don't want an iPhone for various reasons, or else they would already have one; I think it's safe to assume that these people are invested in the Android ecosystem and want to stay away from the Apple ecosystem. So that leaves Nexus and CM. If they were technically skilled and comfortable with doing things like rooting phones and installing alt-ROMs, they probably would have just gone that route already, since you can get much better phones that way (like the Galaxy S series, with removable batteries up to S5 and expandable storage and the best screens available, plus excellent availability of spare parts). So Nexus users appear to be people who don't like Apple, and aren't comfortable with or don't want the hassle of the DIY approach that CM offers; they want something they can just buy off-the-shelf and have a bloatware-free, stock Android experience phone with timely updates.
Now Google is removing that. So what are these people going to do?
I don't think any of them are moving to iPhone. Maybe a select few will finally decide to take the CM plunge. But the rest are just going to get the new bloated-up "G" phone, and any others will just get some other Android phone. Either way, Google wins, as they get to push more bloatware and spying on the users and increase profits.
This is no different from everyone bitching and complaining about Windows 10 and how it's bad for MS's customers. It's good for MS because the customers aren't going to go anywhere, they're just going to complain and then bend over.