Privacy DOES exist. Your example is flawed. If you see someone buy something in "public" you still don't know squat. All YOU know is some guy bought X. You don't know his name, his address, his personal habits, to what use he will use X, if it is a gift for someone else or for him, etc. You know a random piece of almost useless information. Not even the store knows everything. They MAY only know Mr Y bought item X on such and such date. That's the extent of it. They know nothing of the rest - if he used a credit card or check, then an address of some sort is included. If bought with cash, the store knows no more than you do casually observing the transaction.
There IS privacy. There is fair expectation of privacy too.
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What is your social security number? How many women/men have you slept with and what are their names, addresses? What sort of sexual positions do you prefer? Please write down your deepest, most personal thoughts and feelings, no holding back at all now, write them down, and at the end of every week, post them on the net and/or send them to me.
Privacy is important. Some things are NO ONE'S business but yours or yours and your significant other's. There really are some things that really BELONG to you, me, each individual, that need not be and should not be shared.
In a world with "less" privacy I will still have and protect mine to the fullest extent possible via obscurint the truth or just withholding information. This is not a hive, this is a human population of INDIVIDUALS. Distinct individuals. Privacy is both psychologically necessary and desireable.
Mostly little tweaks, bug fixes (and introduction of a few more). Think of it as primarily a KDE 2.2.x port to the new QT 3.0. It does have a few new features but overall, just tweaks. This one is supposed to migrate your 2.2.x settings to 3.0 rather nicely - EXCEPT for kmail. Kmail is probably worse off in these 3.0 betas than anything else. It will not import your 2.2.x kmail address book, you get to recreate that sucker from scratch.
Take a look at a review of this beta at: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/404 6/1/
It nicely covers the ins and outs, good and bad of the present beta.
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My main point was that the relevance of TCO and other stuff is not that high anymore, and in the end we just have to say: Know your OS and do what you want the best way. There is no Best OS and there is no Best Way.
There's the rub...if only you could get Gates and Ballmer to accept this FACT then the world would be right. Instead, we have the two megalomaniacs seeking to control everything on YOUR computer, everything on the net, every means of doing anything on the net. Given this, there is a war. A just war to eliminate the bastards.
Whoo-hoo! Vindication! Proof! If you read the article, it ends making my point:
"The analysis of donations by political party shows some surprising results. While Microsoft donations favored Republicans (who got 72 percent of the money from 1995 to 1998), its employees were more inclined to support the Democrats. Democratic PACs received $222,100 from the company's employees, compared to the $42,875 for Republican PACs. "
So the CORPORATION of M$ which is actually Gates, gives its money and holds positions counter to the vast majority of its own employees. A corporation cannot have rights, only INDIVIDUALS have rights. This corporation, like virtually all such monsters, does NOT hold legitimate points of view, it only presents the point of view of the CEO/President, or (some) board members while the majority of what makes up the corporation is ignored.
Mantra: Only individuals have rights, not corporations. Corporations are NOT people.
I wholeheartedly agree. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights addresses the rights of INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS, not corporations. A "corporation" cannot have rights of a person. A corporation is a COLLECTION of many individuals, each, by necessity, with differing views and beliefs. It is wrong, disingenuous, and a lie that a "corporate" position is valid or real. It ignores the positions/beliefs of an unknown number of its people while improperly favoring the single view of the CEO or board members, running roughshod (or totally ignoring) the views of the VAST majority of people in the corporation.
Heh...TuxRacer?! Yes, lets have tuxracer vs Unreal II, Call of Cthulhu, Doom III (ok, Doom III being an idSoftware child will end up with an unsupprted linux binary for download), WarCraft III, and the like.
TuxRacer may be cute but it is simply not comparable to the likes of games coming or available for doze. I understand that a subpop actually likes senseless arcade games ala centipede, etc, but come on. I can only hope that TuxRacer acts as merely a springboard for real cool, technically complex games like those mentioned above.
I would argue that id was not just a porting operation when they dipped into the linux game market. They were developing both versions, but the linux version, by necessity, having a lower priority due to the market size, took a few months longer. This was precisely the reason it (linux games) came stillborn! Linux users were NOT willing to wait a measly 2 months for a native version. They just HAD to have it NOW and, of course, once you have the game for doze, why the hell would you pay again to get the native linux version? Linux gamers are too impatient and/or unwilling to pay for games. I love linux and the whole opensource thing but it is NOT the answer to everything and you MUST be willing to pay for good games if you want them to continue coming. Too often the overall linux crowd seems to get indignant that they can't just download a cool game for free (as if the Constitution or Bill of Rights - or equivalent - assures this should be so).
IF linux can gain on the desktop to an appreciable extent (and it must be able to AT LEAST match the Apple market share) THEN commercial games will start to trickle in. Look at Apple! They do only have a small piece of the desktop pie and naturally, games are fewer. You expect equal to windoze treatment for linux even though it's desktop share is a fraction of Apple's? Pure wishful thinking...and not logical or reasonable.
Gain more of a hold on the desktop and ask companies to provide linux binaries ala idSoftware. If they try to release linux boxed games, they will fail financially (see idSoftware and ask Carmack). It, of course, would be GREAT to get boxed games with Mac, Doze, and Linux binaries in the same package, on the same CD but even that is asking a lot given the desktop linux penetration to date and the examples of Loki, id, and a couple other noble attempts. I cannot hold out hope for a simplistic arcade game (TuxRacer) to somehow be the savior of linux gaming.
Which version(s) of WineX have you tried? There has recently been the 1.0-2 (which shipped with Gaming Mandrake, and now there is 1.0-3 beta-ish/tester.
came up with the "orgasmatron" when I was in Jr High! It was to be the "mini pocket orgasmatron", essentially a lighter-sized vibrator to sit within one's front pocket(s). Perfect for stealthy fun. It looks like I have a lawsuit to start, money to make!
Give me a break! This is NOT a troll. I am dead-ass serious. It is also a FACT, inescapable, that NO linux game company (an now porting company) has suceeded. It is disheartening but it is VERY true nontheless.
You can beg, call, petition all you want for companies to write native linux games but it wont work and cannot work (for the near future certainly). There is NO money in it. Ask Loki and John Carmack, fer Cthulhu's sake! You MIGHT get lucky with a couple vendors if you ask nicely for free, unsupported linux binaries for some games ala idSoftware, but anything else? Yeah right, been there, tried that, failed IN EVERY CASE.
Troll my ass, just the ugly facts (AND I WANT/BOUGHT LINUX GAMES IDIOT MODERATOR!).
Sheesh. Has NO ONE heard of WineX? Mandrake Gaming Edition (incorporating WineX from Transgaming?). Take a look at the list of games that work with WineX. It is impressively long - and it already incorporates a lot of DX8 support in it. There is more wine than that bottled at winehq.
Winehq DOES benefit from Transgaming's work, by the way.
Give it up. This has been tried and has failed multiple times. idSoftware and Loki and a few others failed miserably at selling linux games for two reasons: linux users are singularly unwilling to pay for any software or they were/are unwilling to wait 2-3 months for the linux port to make its appearance on the store shelves. Thus, they buy the windoze version and don't buy the linux version when it comes out. It is over. All you get now are idsoftware releases of linux binaries that require the windoze version be purchased to supply the guts of the game. The binary is free in and of itself and isn't officially supported. It is also only done out of the goodness of their hearts.
There is no market in linux for games as has been demonstrated again and again. I say this as someone who DID buy Loki games and would have been happy to buy idSoftware games for linux had I ever actually seen them.
WineX is the only good way to play (windoze) games via linux. I encourage you to check out Transgaming and their WineX. If you take a look at the list of games that work, it is actually quite long (Deus Ex!). They are specifically targeting getting games to work instead of simply trying to get most other windoze apps to work. Their winex version wont run all the productivity/non-game windoze apps that regular wine or codeweavers wine will but it is VERY good at games, directx or no.
This is the only game left in town. Loki is tits up. Virtually no one is willing to entertain linux ports of games. Recall that idSoftware tried it and it failed. Few bought the linux versions - they couldn't wait and bought the windoze version instead.
Fortunately, idSoftware still releases linux ports of their game binaries for free but they require you to buy the windoze version to work. With the paucity of linux users willing to actually buy software or their unwillingness to wait a month or 3 for a linux port (ala idSoftware), there is ZERO reason or incentive for anyone to support linux games.
We are left with such things as WineX who are focusing wine development specifically on games (checkout their site, there are quite a few games that run well using WineX. Many do not require windoze at all, even for the install).
If you want linux-native games, it's too late but you COULD try to NICELY encourage companies to do what idSoftware now does and release (unsupported) linux binaries for download. That is more likely to work than trying to get anyone to actually release boxed linux games. WineX and perhaps this DX8 translater are the only game in town (pun intended).
Oh give me (and us) a BREAK. M$ didn't do any of this due to bug fears, they claim no liability for problems their crap causes anyway. The did it ONLY as an ILLEGAL means of destroying competition. This is the very sort of behavior that has gotten them CONVICTED GUILTY as an illegal monopoly power. Quit apologizing and ACCEPT the fact that the courts, the ONLY arbitor of legal and illegal, has nailed M$ multiple times for this very same sort of illegal behavior.
You merely spout the M$ press release bullcrap here. The courts are correct, not M$.
Wrong. EULAs are crap and not worth the paper their printed on or the memory bits they're stored in. I OWN what I buy...to do with as I see fit. End of story. EULAs belong in the toilet and are to be largely ignored.
So what of adopted children? Their mothers didn't necessarily want them.
The mother's feelings, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with a fetus in a womb. They aren't psychically transmitted to the undeveloped embryo. Those feelings only come into play after birth, and having a baby in a womb is not a requirement for that - or else we should put an end to adoption, etc.
Any couple that went through with this likely REALLY wants a baby so lack of feelings is not going to be an issue.
Did you actually READ the article? Don't be an automatic religo-Luddite. There are two labs in particular doing this sort of research, each in the testing stage and about to start more stringent testing with nonhuman animals. When they perfect it there (and they will - there is no magic here, just science) then they will apply for and get permission to start more testing with human embryos. Ultimately, this will succeed, like it or not due to nonsensical religious beliefs.
If you READ the article you will see there is no "mad scientist" here, just pragmatic, good, science. Deal with it and forget trying to shove your religion down everyone else's throat.
No handwaving here, just science and fact and reality.
ALL of what you say can be mimicked. Play sounds or whatnot. It's not like a fetus is in there thinking about anything. It isn't in the womb thinking "ah there's my mom's voice, and that must be my da". You have to have consciousness to deal with that and they do not have such. Hell, the brain isn't even fully developed and wired at birth - a baby cannot recognize faces, all it can see is dark and light - it cannot tie it all into a coherent whole. A newborn cannot even differentiate self from non-self.
Me thinks you are worrying about something before there is any evidence at all that there is something to worry about. All a fetus needs is a warm environment with nutrients and a few appropriate hormones and growth factors, just like any other cell culture.
Yes, and JUST like cars...I buy a car from chevy and it is MINE. Chevrolet doesn't get to restrict my use of MY car. They sold it to me and now it is ALL mine to do ANYTHING I want to with it. Same with M$ software (or anyone else's). If I buy it, it is MINE to do with as I see fit. I don't give a f*ck what they THINK people should do with it.
If I buy a painting (art), I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Copy it, give it away, etc. M$ and Gates don't get to redetermine what ownership/buying/selling means just because Gates can't handle not having control. PROVE you own YOUR software. I hope to HELL you kept every receipt or obtained receipts from those who gave it to you as gift. If you cannot absolutely PROVE beyond any doubt that you actually paid for your "license" (bullshit) then you are a pirate (by the way, that is the M$ position you so love and respect).
Whoa nelly. You can't just lay that at the doorstep of the US, China, etc...the BIG guys. ALL countries do exactly the same thing, NO EXCEPTIONS. There are NO truly altruistic countries anywhere. None. They wouldn't be doing their job, for one thing, if they weren't looking out in some fashion for the best interests of their people (such regimes are the first to go). It is when such activity comes at cross-purposes of another that you get the fighting conflicts.
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Privacy DOES exist. Your example is flawed. If you see someone buy something in "public" you still don't know squat. All YOU know is some guy bought X. You don't know his name, his address, his personal habits, to what use he will use X, if it is a gift for someone else or for him, etc. You know a random piece of almost useless information. Not even the store knows everything. They MAY only know Mr Y bought item X on such and such date. That's the extent of it. They know nothing of the rest - if he used a credit card or check, then an address of some sort is included. If bought with cash, the store knows no more than you do casually observing the transaction.
There IS privacy. There is fair expectation of privacy too.
What is your social security number? How many women/men have you slept with and what are their names, addresses? What sort of sexual positions do you prefer? Please write down your deepest, most personal thoughts and feelings, no holding back at all now, write them down, and at the end of every week, post them on the net and/or send them to me.
Privacy is important. Some things are NO ONE'S business but yours or yours and your significant other's. There really are some things that really BELONG to you, me, each individual, that need not be and should not be shared.
In a world with "less" privacy I will still have and protect mine to the fullest extent possible via obscurint the truth or just withholding information. This is not a hive, this is a human population of INDIVIDUALS. Distinct individuals. Privacy is both psychologically necessary and desireable.
That was when I was IN Jr High, early 70s. They OBVIOUSLY stole it from ME.
Mostly little tweaks, bug fixes (and introduction of a few more). Think of it as primarily a KDE 2.2.x port to the new QT 3.0. It does have a few new features but overall, just tweaks. This one is supposed to migrate your 2.2.x settings to 3.0 rather nicely - EXCEPT for kmail. Kmail is probably worse off in these 3.0 betas than anything else. It will not import your 2.2.x kmail address book, you get to recreate that sucker from scratch.
Take a look at a review of this beta at: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/404 6/1/
It nicely covers the ins and outs, good and bad of the present beta.
My main point was that the relevance of TCO and other stuff is not that high anymore, and in the end we just have to say: Know your OS and do what you want the best way. There is no Best OS and there is no Best Way.
There's the rub...if only you could get Gates and Ballmer to accept this FACT then the world would be right. Instead, we have the two megalomaniacs seeking to control everything on YOUR computer, everything on the net, every means of doing anything on the net. Given this, there is a war. A just war to eliminate the bastards.
Whoo-hoo! Vindication! Proof! If you read the article, it ends making my point:
"The analysis of donations by political party shows some surprising results. While Microsoft donations favored Republicans (who got 72 percent of the money from 1995 to 1998), its employees were more inclined to support the Democrats. Democratic PACs received $222,100 from the company's employees, compared to the $42,875 for Republican PACs. "
So the CORPORATION of M$ which is actually Gates, gives its money and holds positions counter to the vast majority of its own employees. A corporation cannot have rights, only INDIVIDUALS have rights. This corporation, like virtually all such monsters, does NOT hold legitimate points of view, it only presents the point of view of the CEO/President, or (some) board members while the majority of what makes up the corporation is ignored.
Mantra: Only individuals have rights, not corporations. Corporations are NOT people.
I wholeheartedly agree. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights addresses the rights of INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS, not corporations. A "corporation" cannot have rights of a person. A corporation is a COLLECTION of many individuals, each, by necessity, with differing views and beliefs. It is wrong, disingenuous, and a lie that a "corporate" position is valid or real. It ignores the positions/beliefs of an unknown number of its people while improperly favoring the single view of the CEO or board members, running roughshod (or totally ignoring) the views of the VAST majority of people in the corporation.
Rights for INDIVIDUALS, not corporations.
Heh...TuxRacer?! Yes, lets have tuxracer vs Unreal II, Call of Cthulhu, Doom III (ok, Doom III being an idSoftware child will end up with an unsupprted linux binary for download), WarCraft III, and the like.
TuxRacer may be cute but it is simply not comparable to the likes of games coming or available for doze. I understand that a subpop actually likes senseless arcade games ala centipede, etc, but come on. I can only hope that TuxRacer acts as merely a springboard for real cool, technically complex games like those mentioned above.
I would argue that id was not just a porting operation when they dipped into the linux game market. They were developing both versions, but the linux version, by necessity, having a lower priority due to the market size, took a few months longer. This was precisely the reason it (linux games) came stillborn! Linux users were NOT willing to wait a measly 2 months for a native version. They just HAD to have it NOW and, of course, once you have the game for doze, why the hell would you pay again to get the native linux version? Linux gamers are too impatient and/or unwilling to pay for games. I love linux and the whole opensource thing but it is NOT the answer to everything and you MUST be willing to pay for good games if you want them to continue coming. Too often the overall linux crowd seems to get indignant that they can't just download a cool game for free (as if the Constitution or Bill of Rights - or equivalent - assures this should be so).
IF linux can gain on the desktop to an appreciable extent (and it must be able to AT LEAST match the Apple market share) THEN commercial games will start to trickle in. Look at Apple! They do only have a small piece of the desktop pie and naturally, games are fewer. You expect equal to windoze treatment for linux even though it's desktop share is a fraction of Apple's? Pure wishful thinking...and not logical or reasonable.
Gain more of a hold on the desktop and ask companies to provide linux binaries ala idSoftware. If they try to release linux boxed games, they will fail financially (see idSoftware and ask Carmack). It, of course, would be GREAT to get boxed games with Mac, Doze, and Linux binaries in the same package, on the same CD but even that is asking a lot given the desktop linux penetration to date and the examples of Loki, id, and a couple other noble attempts. I cannot hold out hope for a simplistic arcade game (TuxRacer) to somehow be the savior of linux gaming.
I almost forgot! I have dibs on being JarJar!
Boy I hope so. If these character/races are there, then I am definitely there!
THINK for a moment of being able to BE Jar-Jar...or a manly EWOK!
Which version(s) of WineX have you tried? There has recently been the 1.0-2 (which shipped with Gaming Mandrake, and now there is 1.0-3 beta-ish/tester.
Heh! I
came up with the "orgasmatron" when I was in Jr High! It was to be the "mini pocket orgasmatron", essentially a lighter-sized vibrator to sit within one's front pocket(s). Perfect for stealthy fun. It looks like I have a lawsuit to start, money to make!Give me a break! This is NOT a troll. I am dead-ass serious. It is also a FACT, inescapable, that NO linux game company (an now porting company) has suceeded. It is disheartening but it is VERY true nontheless.
You can beg, call, petition all you want for companies to write native linux games but it wont work and cannot work (for the near future certainly). There is NO money in it. Ask Loki and John Carmack, fer Cthulhu's sake! You MIGHT get lucky with a couple vendors if you ask nicely for free, unsupported linux binaries for some games ala idSoftware, but anything else? Yeah right, been there, tried that, failed IN EVERY CASE.
Troll my ass, just the ugly facts (AND I WANT/BOUGHT LINUX GAMES IDIOT MODERATOR!).
Yes, but it was released so early in the year that it did get a "Funniest movie of the year!"
The character development of the doggies was compelling and insightful.
Sheesh. Has NO ONE heard of WineX? Mandrake Gaming Edition (incorporating WineX from Transgaming?). Take a look at the list of games that work with WineX. It is impressively long - and it already incorporates a lot of DX8 support in it. There is more wine than that bottled at winehq.
Winehq DOES benefit from Transgaming's work, by the way.
Give it up. This has been tried and has failed multiple times. idSoftware and Loki and a few others failed miserably at selling linux games for two reasons: linux users are singularly unwilling to pay for any software or they were/are unwilling to wait 2-3 months for the linux port to make its appearance on the store shelves. Thus, they buy the windoze version and don't buy the linux version when it comes out. It is over. All you get now are idsoftware releases of linux binaries that require the windoze version be purchased to supply the guts of the game. The binary is free in and of itself and isn't officially supported. It is also only done out of the goodness of their hearts.
There is no market in linux for games as has been demonstrated again and again. I say this as someone who DID buy Loki games and would have been happy to buy idSoftware games for linux had I ever actually seen them.
WineX is the only good way to play (windoze) games via linux. I encourage you to check out Transgaming and their WineX. If you take a look at the list of games that work, it is actually quite long (Deus Ex!). They are specifically targeting getting games to work instead of simply trying to get most other windoze apps to work. Their winex version wont run all the productivity/non-game windoze apps that regular wine or codeweavers wine will but it is VERY good at games, directx or no.
This is the only game left in town. Loki is tits up. Virtually no one is willing to entertain linux ports of games. Recall that idSoftware tried it and it failed. Few bought the linux versions - they couldn't wait and bought the windoze version instead.
Fortunately, idSoftware still releases linux ports of their game binaries for free but they require you to buy the windoze version to work. With the paucity of linux users willing to actually buy software or their unwillingness to wait a month or 3 for a linux port (ala idSoftware), there is ZERO reason or incentive for anyone to support linux games.
We are left with such things as WineX who are focusing wine development specifically on games (checkout their site, there are quite a few games that run well using WineX. Many do not require windoze at all, even for the install).
If you want linux-native games, it's too late but you COULD try to NICELY encourage companies to do what idSoftware now does and release (unsupported) linux binaries for download. That is more likely to work than trying to get anyone to actually release boxed linux games. WineX and perhaps this DX8 translater are the only game in town (pun intended).
As for your sig...thank GOD sex isn't licensed to M$ or Gates would get to DO you anytime, anywhere.
Oh give me (and us) a BREAK. M$ didn't do any of this due to bug fears, they claim no liability for problems their crap causes anyway. The did it ONLY as an ILLEGAL means of destroying competition. This is the very sort of behavior that has gotten them CONVICTED GUILTY as an illegal monopoly power. Quit apologizing and ACCEPT the fact that the courts, the ONLY arbitor of legal and illegal, has nailed M$ multiple times for this very same sort of illegal behavior.
You merely spout the M$ press release bullcrap here. The courts are correct, not M$.
Wrong. EULAs are crap and not worth the paper their printed on or the memory bits they're stored in. I OWN what I buy...to do with as I see fit. End of story. EULAs belong in the toilet and are to be largely ignored.
So what of adopted children? Their mothers didn't necessarily want them.
The mother's feelings, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with a fetus in a womb. They aren't psychically transmitted to the undeveloped embryo. Those feelings only come into play after birth, and having a baby in a womb is not a requirement for that - or else we should put an end to adoption, etc.
Any couple that went through with this likely REALLY wants a baby so lack of feelings is not going to be an issue.
Did you actually READ the article? Don't be an automatic religo-Luddite. There are two labs in particular doing this sort of research, each in the testing stage and about to start more stringent testing with nonhuman animals. When they perfect it there (and they will - there is no magic here, just science) then they will apply for and get permission to start more testing with human embryos. Ultimately, this will succeed, like it or not due to nonsensical religious beliefs.
If you READ the article you will see there is no "mad scientist" here, just pragmatic, good, science. Deal with it and forget trying to shove your religion down everyone else's throat.
No handwaving here, just science and fact and reality.
ALL of what you say can be mimicked. Play sounds or whatnot. It's not like a fetus is in there thinking about anything. It isn't in the womb thinking "ah there's my mom's voice, and that must be my da". You have to have consciousness to deal with that and they do not have such. Hell, the brain isn't even fully developed and wired at birth - a baby cannot recognize faces, all it can see is dark and light - it cannot tie it all into a coherent whole. A newborn cannot even differentiate self from non-self.
Me thinks you are worrying about something before there is any evidence at all that there is something to worry about. All a fetus needs is a warm environment with nutrients and a few appropriate hormones and growth factors, just like any other cell culture.
Give it that and it will grow just fine.
Yes, and JUST like cars...I buy a car from chevy and it is MINE. Chevrolet doesn't get to restrict my use of MY car. They sold it to me and now it is ALL mine to do ANYTHING I want to with it. Same with M$ software (or anyone else's). If I buy it, it is MINE to do with as I see fit. I don't give a f*ck what they THINK people should do with it.
If I buy a painting (art), I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Copy it, give it away, etc. M$ and Gates don't get to redetermine what ownership/buying/selling means just because Gates can't handle not having control. PROVE you own YOUR software. I hope to HELL you kept every receipt or obtained receipts from those who gave it to you as gift. If you cannot absolutely PROVE beyond any doubt that you actually paid for your "license" (bullshit) then you are a pirate (by the way, that is the M$ position you so love and respect).
Whoa nelly. You can't just lay that at the doorstep of the US, China, etc...the BIG guys. ALL countries do exactly the same thing, NO EXCEPTIONS. There are NO truly altruistic countries anywhere. None. They wouldn't be doing their job, for one thing, if they weren't looking out in some fashion for the best interests of their people (such regimes are the first to go). It is when such activity comes at cross-purposes of another that you get the fighting conflicts.