Funny, I don't remember saying "Easy to configure" anywhere in that post. Only that there is an option to change it in gconf. Now obviously you've never used gconf-editor because its much easier to use than say regedit. I'm not saying a novice could pick it up immediately thats what gtweakui is for.
As for not debunking anything, you're right, you really didn't bring up any point that was valid other than some people use Gnome but most don't. Well some people use linux but most don't so I guess no one should even care about nautilus then right? After all, its on a minority DE on a minority OS. Aside from the, the windows dropping it comment was wrong and the rest was a rant on who you don't like it with no other info other than your opinion. Congrats, you have an opinion. Join the club.
Point for point: You're only likely to install Linux once on your machine, so why do you want a friendly installer for it? You've obviously never installed linux.:)
(Translation: Your argument overlooks important considerations. If they want a good configuration interface, they can do like others and have an "Expert" mode or separate dialog.) Its called gconf-editor. Thats your "Expert" mode. Gconf editor is set up as a heirarchy, ie. browser mode, so I don't know why people think its THAT difficult to use.
If GNOME were designed for usability, why does its file manager want to open up so many windows when I'll end up closing most of them? Double-middle click to open the folder and close the current one. Ctrl+W will close the folder. Ctrl+Shift+W will close all parent folders. It only opens the folders you ask for.
At least Microsoft has realized that users don't treat local file systems that differently from web pages, and so many interface modalities should be shared. No, microsoft realized that YOU don't. First off, when I use windows at work, I use the My Computer spatial style, not explorer. Second of all, for browsing, I use tabs. I open everything in individual tabs, not individual windows. My web browsing habits are COMPLETELY different. Web browsing for me is lots of reading, following different threads in message boards, and the occasional download. File browsing is moving or copying documents from one folder to another, both of which I want open, or opening an individual file. Frankly, thats two seperate tasks that I handle in two seperate ways.
I didn't mod since i've been posting but I'll still reply as to why I think its overrated. You offer two examples and thus feel you've proved your point.
I know where my files are (mp3, wallpapers, sounds, docs, incoming) and I fairly often need to move them (incoming to wallpapers for example). I used My Computer and folder shortcuts back in windows (never explorer) and I really like the new Nautilus. Call me crazy, but I don't fit into either of your examples!
The fact is, different people use their computer in different ways. Stand over someones shoulder and have them try to do some trivial tasks that you're used to doing. If they don't do it the way you do, its one of the most frustrating things to watch. I like the spatial metaphor. The Gnome devs must also like it. They decided HIG-wise, that its the better way to do things, so they switched to it. Just because explorer style is so prevalent doesn't mean its the "best" way of doing things, just another method.
Actually, this is just all nonsense and flamebait to boot. First off, Windows didn't dump spatial. Double click on My Computer. Oooh, look, you're goin spatial. Folders open in seperate windows and folders can have their own settings, etc. etc. Microsoft simply offered both options. Gnome offers both options, you can go back to explorer style using a gconf key. So that point is debunked.
Some like Gnome but most do not? Loaded terms. Just cause I occasionally use FVWM and Fluxbox doesn't mean I don't like Gnome. It's got great integrated features and I've never had any issue with configuration.
But anyways, aside from this flame fodder, my point is that the Gnome people found that spatial makes more sense to the common user. Just because you're used to the Windows way of doing things doesn't make it right, only right for you. I'm sick of hearing people bash Evolution as an Outlook clone and then complain about other mail clients because they don't have the features/feel of Outlook. Pick a side people.
From a usability standpoint, thats the right idea. The option isn't something you're likely to change, and if you do want to change it, its something you're likely to change once. For that reason, its in gconf. Gnome is designed for usability, not to have every option available under the sun given to you. It simplifies the interface so you don't have to wade through all the options just to get to something you may change fairly often. If you're interested in modifying every aspect of your desktop down to the smallest detail, get FVWM.
RTFA. The stylus has an ID. From what I read, you touch a file with the stylus and your computer basically says "this file is about to be transferred with this stylus". When you touch another computer with it, that computer asks the network "I'm a computer looking for a file from this stylus" and the original responds by sending it. Old idea, new interface. I like it.
Apples and oranges. Both OpenOffice and Thunderbird are CROSS PLATFORM. They have their own UI toolkits so that they can render on Linux, Mac, or Windows. Word, IE, etc are all native. Thats why it takes less time.
I've seen IE barf on pages before. No browser is going to be perfect and I think explaining to people that you may have to close and restart a browser during the day (if they keep it open THAT long) is a lot easier than saying "ok, if you close those 5 pop ups and uninstall CometCursor, you'd see the page you're lookin for."
SPAM filters are tricked all the time depending on the text of an email. Google was f'd up not too long ago because of trackback linking in blogs screwing up their algorithms. Isn't this a similar situation? If a student can figure out a way to beat the grader, we'll have students learning to write to beat software, not form a well written essay.
Its those experts that'll be the hardest to convert. It's like getting into a Vi vs. Emacs war. The zealots know all the commands and are very comfortable with them so if things don't work the way they are used to, they have to relearn everything. However, if you use nothing more than adjustments of font size and justification in a word processor and you use the mouse for EVERYTHING like most new users do, then switching is not going to be an issue. When I taught Computer Science 1 students, many of them had never used a *nix system before and all of a sudden had to become proficient in a Solaris environment. After giving examples and reasons for using different editors, most used nedit, some used emacs, and a few brave souls used vim for code editing. I can almost guarantee that they are probably still using whatever editor they started CS1 with. Familiarity goes a long way.
Here you're talking about tools for BMP and TXT though. These are standard file formats where there are many tools available to read and write them available on all platforms. The stuff microsoft provides simply does the bare minimum. The old media player in Windows was the same. It played MPG, AVI, and WAV and not much else. However, with all the streaming technologies out there, they made WMP something to actually compete with the other tools, and thats where the problem comes in. WMV and WMA are directly competitive technologies that only WMP can play. Since its installed, why use something else? The EU has a much better argument against Microsoft on this point than they had back in the browser war days since the web uses a somewhat "standard" format.
Long before Winamp, which was based off of Amp the command line player, there was Winplay3. It was the most abnoxious program to get to work and keep working. Back in 95/96 though, thats all you had. Nothin like 0-day ftp sites, wsftp, and a kickin 14.4 modem to get one song in a half hour. Everything was 112 or 128k, NEVER higher, and if you found a site that let you in, you were practically screaming with delight. Those were the days.
Food is a necessity, music isn't. You can listen to the radio, watch MTV, or just go to a live show if you want your music but don't want to buy a CD. Someone steals a loaf of bread to feed their family since they can't afford ANYTHING else. If you have a computer to listen to your MP3's, an iPod, and a nice high speed online connection, don't tell me you're too poor to pay for a CD. Yes, I agree their price for value is rediculous, but don't use that as an excuse.
I know on the Gentoo side, they had the SSH fix out the same day. There are distribution methods in place, just depends on the distro you use. So just cause Windows Update notifies you that there's an update or even does it automatically, that doesn't stop you from croning the above commands.
Dollars to donuts it says that you agree that by connecting to the Live! service that Microsoft reserves the right to auto-update, just like MediaPlayer on XP. Caveat Emptor.
I would take a look at what games the girls in the dorms are playing. We're talking things like Snood/Bubble Puzzle and the Sims. I highly doubt you'll see many women playing anything involving the word "deathmatch".
I don't think its that women are getting into engineering, simply that more women have computers. Ten years ago that would be unheard of but now a computer is a necessity. Might as well put something fun on it other than AIM.
True, but what if you never remove it? With a Tivo, you could theoretically keep something on it for the life of the product, say the local news if you were interviewed for something. That would be something you would like to keep, but 99% of the rest of the viewing population won't care. Say you keep that for 10 years. With Tivo, your HD is what fills up with cruft and you occasionally have to remove stuff. What do you do if you're the cable company and people have old personalized content?
You have a point up until you say "If they really cared about avoiding the funding of terrorism they would let whoever wanted to copy their stuff copy it freely." Um, no.
Just because someone sells something doesn't mean that you can make copies of it for everyone. If that were the case, Microsoft would sell one copy of windows and the world would get it. That's not a good business model. Microsoft is allowed to sell their OS for however much they want. Its their software, they wrote it. If you don't like it, buy a mac or download Linux. If you want to go on about Microsoft's draconian OEM policies and such, feel free, but don't think that they shouldn't have a right to sell their OS, cause they do.
Its already been done. Heck, Microsoft already does it in.NET. Each DLL in.NET that gets put into the GAC has a unique id so you never need to worry about DLL hell. Its just garbage hell.
Because RedHat is free. People need to pay and have a valid license for Windows. Since I'm betting (just an assumption) half the people whining about the update issue have a pirated version of XP or 2K, this poses a threat to them.
On the flip side though, imagine if Redhat's DB was compromised. You'd have an accurate listing of every RedHat box out there, their IP, and what versions of software they were running. Thats a goldmine for a script kiddie.
it shouldn't be too difficult to get change/money. If people are to be held to EULAs like contracts, then they need the rights associated therein. I don't know if she'll win necessarily with the software companies since they'll simply say it's the stores policy, and the stores will turn it around to say the software co.'s won't take the software back, but regardless I don't think the consumers will get hit on this one.
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Funny, I don't remember saying "Easy to configure" anywhere in that post. Only that there is an option to change it in gconf. Now obviously you've never used gconf-editor because its much easier to use than say regedit. I'm not saying a novice could pick it up immediately thats what gtweakui is for.
As for not debunking anything, you're right, you really didn't bring up any point that was valid other than some people use Gnome but most don't. Well some people use linux but most don't so I guess no one should even care about nautilus then right? After all, its on a minority DE on a minority OS. Aside from the, the windows dropping it comment was wrong and the rest was a rant on who you don't like it with no other info other than your opinion. Congrats, you have an opinion. Join the club.
Point for point: :)
You're only likely to install Linux once on your machine, so why do you want a friendly installer for it?
You've obviously never installed linux.
(Translation: Your argument overlooks important considerations. If they want a good configuration interface, they can do like others and have an "Expert" mode or separate dialog.)
Its called gconf-editor. Thats your "Expert" mode. Gconf editor is set up as a heirarchy, ie. browser mode, so I don't know why people think its THAT difficult to use.
If GNOME were designed for usability, why does its file manager want to open up so many windows when I'll end up closing most of them?
Double-middle click to open the folder and close the current one. Ctrl+W will close the folder. Ctrl+Shift+W will close all parent folders. It only opens the folders you ask for.
At least Microsoft has realized that users don't treat local file systems that differently from web pages, and so many interface modalities should be shared.
No, microsoft realized that YOU don't. First off, when I use windows at work, I use the My Computer spatial style, not explorer. Second of all, for browsing, I use tabs. I open everything in individual tabs, not individual windows. My web browsing habits are COMPLETELY different. Web browsing for me is lots of reading, following different threads in message boards, and the occasional download. File browsing is moving or copying documents from one folder to another, both of which I want open, or opening an individual file. Frankly, thats two seperate tasks that I handle in two seperate ways.
I didn't mod since i've been posting but I'll still reply as to why I think its overrated. You offer two examples and thus feel you've proved your point.
I know where my files are (mp3, wallpapers, sounds, docs, incoming) and I fairly often need to move them (incoming to wallpapers for example). I used My Computer and folder shortcuts back in windows (never explorer) and I really like the new Nautilus. Call me crazy, but I don't fit into either of your examples!
The fact is, different people use their computer in different ways. Stand over someones shoulder and have them try to do some trivial tasks that you're used to doing. If they don't do it the way you do, its one of the most frustrating things to watch. I like the spatial metaphor. The Gnome devs must also like it. They decided HIG-wise, that its the better way to do things, so they switched to it. Just because explorer style is so prevalent doesn't mean its the "best" way of doing things, just another method.
Actually, this is just all nonsense and flamebait to boot. First off, Windows didn't dump spatial. Double click on My Computer. Oooh, look, you're goin spatial. Folders open in seperate windows and folders can have their own settings, etc. etc. Microsoft simply offered both options. Gnome offers both options, you can go back to explorer style using a gconf key. So that point is debunked.
Some like Gnome but most do not? Loaded terms. Just cause I occasionally use FVWM and Fluxbox doesn't mean I don't like Gnome. It's got great integrated features and I've never had any issue with configuration.
But anyways, aside from this flame fodder, my point is that the Gnome people found that spatial makes more sense to the common user. Just because you're used to the Windows way of doing things doesn't make it right, only right for you. I'm sick of hearing people bash Evolution as an Outlook clone and then complain about other mail clients because they don't have the features/feel of Outlook. Pick a side people.
From a usability standpoint, thats the right idea. The option isn't something you're likely to change, and if you do want to change it, its something you're likely to change once. For that reason, its in gconf. Gnome is designed for usability, not to have every option available under the sun given to you. It simplifies the interface so you don't have to wade through all the options just to get to something you may change fairly often. If you're interested in modifying every aspect of your desktop down to the smallest detail, get FVWM.
RTFA. The stylus has an ID. From what I read, you touch a file with the stylus and your computer basically says "this file is about to be transferred with this stylus". When you touch another computer with it, that computer asks the network "I'm a computer looking for a file from this stylus" and the original responds by sending it. Old idea, new interface. I like it.
Apples and oranges. Both OpenOffice and Thunderbird are CROSS PLATFORM. They have their own UI toolkits so that they can render on Linux, Mac, or Windows. Word, IE, etc are all native. Thats why it takes less time.
I've seen IE barf on pages before. No browser is going to be perfect and I think explaining to people that you may have to close and restart a browser during the day (if they keep it open THAT long) is a lot easier than saying "ok, if you close those 5 pop ups and uninstall CometCursor, you'd see the page you're lookin for."
SPAM filters are tricked all the time depending on the text of an email. Google was f'd up not too long ago because of trackback linking in blogs screwing up their algorithms. Isn't this a similar situation? If a student can figure out a way to beat the grader, we'll have students learning to write to beat software, not form a well written essay.
You had Marty Hall didn't you? :p
Its those experts that'll be the hardest to convert. It's like getting into a Vi vs. Emacs war. The zealots know all the commands and are very comfortable with them so if things don't work the way they are used to, they have to relearn everything. However, if you use nothing more than adjustments of font size and justification in a word processor and you use the mouse for EVERYTHING like most new users do, then switching is not going to be an issue. When I taught Computer Science 1 students, many of them had never used a *nix system before and all of a sudden had to become proficient in a Solaris environment. After giving examples and reasons for using different editors, most used nedit, some used emacs, and a few brave souls used vim for code editing. I can almost guarantee that they are probably still using whatever editor they started CS1 with. Familiarity goes a long way.
You laugh, but it may be true. On a *nix system, you have dir or ls. Which do you use?
Here you're talking about tools for BMP and TXT though. These are standard file formats where there are many tools available to read and write them available on all platforms. The stuff microsoft provides simply does the bare minimum. The old media player in Windows was the same. It played MPG, AVI, and WAV and not much else. However, with all the streaming technologies out there, they made WMP something to actually compete with the other tools, and thats where the problem comes in. WMV and WMA are directly competitive technologies that only WMP can play. Since its installed, why use something else? The EU has a much better argument against Microsoft on this point than they had back in the browser war days since the web uses a somewhat "standard" format.
Long before Winamp, which was based off of Amp the command line player, there was Winplay3. It was the most abnoxious program to get to work and keep working. Back in 95/96 though, thats all you had. Nothin like 0-day ftp sites, wsftp, and a kickin 14.4 modem to get one song in a half hour. Everything was 112 or 128k, NEVER higher, and if you found a site that let you in, you were practically screaming with delight. Those were the days.
Food is a necessity, music isn't. You can listen to the radio, watch MTV, or just go to a live show if you want your music but don't want to buy a CD. Someone steals a loaf of bread to feed their family since they can't afford ANYTHING else. If you have a computer to listen to your MP3's, an iPod, and a nice high speed online connection, don't tell me you're too poor to pay for a CD. Yes, I agree their price for value is rediculous, but don't use that as an excuse.
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Um...they're called the following:
emerge (Gentoo)
up2date (Redhat)
apt-get (Debian)
I know on the Gentoo side, they had the SSH fix out the same day. There are distribution methods in place, just depends on the distro you use. So just cause Windows Update notifies you that there's an update or even does it automatically, that doesn't stop you from croning the above commands.
Dollars to donuts it says that you agree that by connecting to the Live! service that Microsoft reserves the right to auto-update, just like MediaPlayer on XP. Caveat Emptor.
I would take a look at what games the girls in the dorms are playing. We're talking things like Snood/Bubble Puzzle and the Sims. I highly doubt you'll see many women playing anything involving the word "deathmatch".
I don't think its that women are getting into engineering, simply that more women have computers. Ten years ago that would be unheard of but now a computer is a necessity. Might as well put something fun on it other than AIM.
Could you put bumper stickers on your vehicle? Like "My sock puppet slept with your honor student?" or "Pets.com on board"
True, but what if you never remove it? With a Tivo, you could theoretically keep something on it for the life of the product, say the local news if you were interviewed for something. That would be something you would like to keep, but 99% of the rest of the viewing population won't care. Say you keep that for 10 years. With Tivo, your HD is what fills up with cruft and you occasionally have to remove stuff. What do you do if you're the cable company and people have old personalized content?
You have a point up until you say "If they really cared about avoiding the funding of terrorism they would let whoever wanted to copy their stuff copy it freely." Um, no.
Just because someone sells something doesn't mean that you can make copies of it for everyone. If that were the case, Microsoft would sell one copy of windows and the world would get it. That's not a good business model. Microsoft is allowed to sell their OS for however much they want. Its their software, they wrote it. If you don't like it, buy a mac or download Linux. If you want to go on about Microsoft's draconian OEM policies and such, feel free, but don't think that they shouldn't have a right to sell their OS, cause they do.
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.NET. Each DLL in .NET that gets put into the GAC has a unique id so you never need to worry about DLL hell. Its just garbage hell.
Its already been done. Heck, Microsoft already does it in
Because RedHat is free. People need to pay and have a valid license for Windows. Since I'm betting (just an assumption) half the people whining about the update issue have a pirated version of XP or 2K, this poses a threat to them.
On the flip side though, imagine if Redhat's DB was compromised. You'd have an accurate listing of every RedHat box out there, their IP, and what versions of software they were running. Thats a goldmine for a script kiddie.
it shouldn't be too difficult to get change/money. If people are to be held to EULAs like contracts, then they need the rights associated therein. I don't know if she'll win necessarily with the software companies since they'll simply say it's the stores policy, and the stores will turn it around to say the software co.'s won't take the software back, but regardless I don't think the consumers will get hit on this one.