I don't care how many times someone crys piracy on Napster or how good it is. The fact is Napster is used for piracy. If you go on the service and search for a title that is copyrighted you will find at least a dozen (well known at least). There is not denying Napster is indeed used for piracy. This does not mean that Napster is bad. Napster is filesharing. It is MP3 filesharing but it is filesharing. Just because a file has an extention.mp3 doesn't make it illegal as people have pointed out about some artists use Napster to get their music around to people. Don't blame napster for the piracy. It is a tool and USERS USE this tool whether it be for good of "bad". I believe that the RIAA's definition of copyright is a little too over protective for a profit and to attack napster solely is wrong. Without USERS would napster be illegal. Without those copyrighted MP3's on the user's hard drive would napster be "illegal". Remember the mp3s don't originate on napster. Someone has to burn the mp3 and has already violated the copyright. The people who download these songs are equally wrong but all napster is doing is "Retrieve File" blindly. Napster doesn't know enough and probably can't know enough about the contents of the mp3 to hold it accountable. Can we hold AOL accountable for its users who pirate mp3s and programs in chatrooms using their EMAIL service. Can we hold the Web server accountable for a warez site giving out pirated goods or maybe your web browser accountable. It just doesn't make sense. Piracy is going to happen but from what I hear (not sure if it is just FUD) Napster Users actually buy more CD's by using their service to get the mp3. The main point I am trying to explain is the most Napster servers probably have are user accounts and log files. If anyone is at fault it is the CD ripping users not the service.
Solution to X problem. Distributions can make easier to use tools to fix this. XF86Setup is ok but could be better. XConfigurator is pretty decent too. Well it is true that on the install of Mandrake and Red Hat that you get the choice to Configure X. I do agree that gettting X up on my Slack box was a pain with the particulars of Video card and monitor specs. Maybe some better autodection and support of Generic Cards/Monitors would do the trick for that.
My mistake on that. Well no one really bothers to know the difference between desktop environments and Window managers anymore. So people will just use one common word they know which is "Window Manager" heh.
Thi article is totally biased. I mean to say Miguel did it all for the money and the whole point of GNOME was to kill KDE. C'mon! Get real. Kill off KDE. It was setup as an alternative and sure any software would like to have a user based particilarly from a competing product but GNOME was made as an alternative to KDE because at the time with the QT licenses. This guy seems to be a KDE enthusist in the way he downplays GNOME. What does he consider a nasty comment from Miguel. That he says GNOME is better than KDE? What is he supposed say "Well GNOME isn't as good as KDE but I would like you to use it". Of course not...I mean if he wants users...KDE is very good product and is getting better but lets not downplay GNOME. A bit of irony of the GNOME ethusiast though. the who Free Unices (BSD, Linux) is supposed to be about choice but *some* GNOME developers/users seem to want it to be the only one. This is where they make GNOME look bad. Gnome 1.2 is a very good product from helix gnome and I use it and have the KDE 1.9.2 Libraries for some of the superior KDE programmed applications. Lets keep the competition friendly between the two desktops.
why do you GNOME people always act so extreme about GNOME. Damn.. I use GNOME and I think 1.2 is a really good release but c'mon there is not that much wrong with KDE if anything. I just like GNOME more but I love the KDE applications. Please keep your extremist remarks to yourself no one needs to hear them. They are both very good and it is good that there are quality choices and toolkits.
Well I prefer GNOME to KDE because of the look too. I also have KDE 1.92 mostly for the programs and KDElibs. I am sorry to say but KDE has some VERY stable applications for its desktop I am not an extremist in this desktop war but I feel all this verbal bashing against both of them is just pointless. And Look has an interesting point to KDE in the way that If the look of KDE is the only thing people can complain or dislike about KDE then KDE must be doing something right in all their other areas. Look is not trivial but I put stability and functionality above cosmetic features but I sure do love the GTK+ themes :-)
BTW KDE 2.0 (1.92) supports some kick as themes.
Um lets see what is so "Surprising" about MS wanting to PORT applications. Lets see...Well for one thing they have Windows...Most of their software is made for windows and not many releases are ported. Internet Explorer is one of the few pieces of Microsoft programs that was actually made for MAC (that and WORD). It is a little surprising. True they are a software company but I is a Windows-Centric type company. Why else would MS make Windows-specific programming languages...etc. Maybe this is a hoax or they are just doing what they do best...Be a software company and have a wider market insurance. (In the event that Linux gets a significant foot hold on the desktop market). They are a software company but not like other companies so it is a little surprising it is. And it is REAL this will help Linux more than hurt it. Like you say, many people use Office and if it was ported to Linux they would and could have a better OS (this is opinion) and a the familiar functionality of Word.
Ohhhh....you hurt my feelings. Well whatever man. I hope you can code better than you read and interpret POSTS. It seems you don't do a very good job of that. What I was saying and it seems you don't understand Mr. "Outcode you anyway" is. User Friendliness doesn't magically appear you stupid joke of a computer user. If you want to add user friendliness you Linux why don't you get off your ass and contribute and stop complaining about it. You ever think about that or do you make a living criticizing things. Yes I understand the end user needs a user friendly environment but I'm not stupid and it seems you are missing the point. I didn't say the Users NEED to Code their own user friendly environment. You must be a moron please stay away from whatever computer you are on because you are endangering the computer with your idiocity. The programmer which you boast "Outcode you any day" can and should add some user friendliness. If you are so good at programming why don't you add some utilities or features to make Linux better and stop wasting your time on Slashdot recycling old news about Linux not being user friendly enough. Until then maybe you should shut your mouth and keep your stupid half ass remarks to yourself.
The general public will never be able to just code away at thier OS
No kidding genius...At least you catch the obvious and that wasn't the point I was making. Do you ever think before you type??
Well whatever the Linux Militants believe what happens...happens. I personally want to see more games get ported to Linux being it is the only Operating System on my System. I do on occasion visit a windows box to play some Starcraft...etc. There fundumentalists of the Linux world do not solely control what becomes of it. And screw the user base of it. I didn't install this OS for the solitude of it I did it for the functionality of it. There is not point for people wanting a small user base for their OS. Sure there will be idiots but there are idiots using linux right now and it has nothing to do with memorizing commands or learning how to use a text editor. People who choose to use Linux will do it out of their own choice and not have to follow the "best" wishes of the Slackware Militants who shun any user interface short of ncurses.
Sure the games my not be selling now but give it time. Killer sales won't happen over night and how many commercial games are out for Linux right now (not just x86) and how many future releases will their be? You can be premature in judging the state of game sales now.
But think about this. Your problem is that your "bag of crap" is force fed to you in a little package called windows. Free Software has a choice and it sounds like you haven't used many free software products lately. You probably think of free software as those incomplete little shareware programs from www.download.com or else where. No Free software isn't a bag of crap if it were it would probably have to be forced to people like your little windows shell. Save your Anti-Linux FUD for someone who will buy it. Oh and another thing about Linux...You don't like it feel free to change it and not bitch about it. You want Linux for user friendly...Get a copy of GCC some programming skills vi/emacs and code away. Until then just keep your little to yourself. That is about the worse analogy I have ever hear about Linux or another other OS for that fact. Every Operating system has its good and bad points but just because it doesn't serve YOU NEEDS is no reason to bitch and complain about it. A nice suggestion can do not some stupid half baked analogy. You don't understand Free Software and the potential of it and probably never well. Lots of Luck being an idiot...
because Slack support RPMs (well 7.0+) and Red Hat is supposedly everyone's preception of Linux. Besides I don't believe they would want to waste their time packaging debs and making tar balls. I think a tar would have been better with a shell script to so an easy install to move it to the bin directory (not that a mv or cp is too hard;-) )
Well as far as loading time. Relative to other WEB BROWSERS it loads pretty quickly. Being that Explorer is integrated with the whole Windows environment it does give explorer an edge. Anyway as Konqueror reaches it finalized form I bet it will be faster and more responsive. I don't use Konqueror as a file manager and I really don't plan on using it as one. I need it for one thing. Web and maybe quick FTP.
Do you have a link to back that up.
Just wondering. I still believe Opera is the most standards compliant. Does IE and Netscape support full CSS1 and 2? Just a question.
flames >/dev/null 2>/dev/null &
um...Isn't Opera the most standards compliant browser out there being it is developed by a member (or former) of w3. What about those who have the tar balls is there a way I can choose to just have a browser and now a suite. I am not against Mozilla I think it is a great product that is improving. It does have speed issues on my 64MB RAM computer but it is getting faster and more stable. I anticipate the release of v1.0 as a quality product. I have yet to try M17 to see if this build runs even better for me than the previous build.
I sort of agree but for my I use RPM's when I really don't feel like taking the time to tar zxvf a file and I want an instant install. Other times I may need to add options like./configure --with etc...I still can't see RPM Kernels too weird unless it came w/ a configure script.
Isn't Linux/Unix/GNU all about Choice. Sure you may not want to play with files to tweak your systems and it is your choice to use GUI front-ends. No one should be forced or looked down upon because of what they prefer to use. Some people will never feel confortable in CLI's and it is their preference. They should be shot down by the Unix Militants who are anti-newbie extremist. Sure maybe it would be nice if they did open up the hood and explored their system a little but not everyone is up for that. The people from Helix code and KDE are giving these people the choice (grep this comment for the world choice hehehe) and I believe that it is a smart move. No one should have to accept windows if they want another alternative. I started out on Red Hat and I am still kind of a newbie::gasp:: but I do use vi...etc to hand config my system when I feel the need to. We should not condone people for their preferences and because what they want to use is not what you would use. Let people figure out for themselves what they want to use. No one is stuck in KDE/GNOME the shell is there and always will be.
Well then try Konqueror for KDE it is very fast and I believe is a better less bloated web browser than Explorer is. How can you compare GNOME to Microsoft. Microsoft does you integrated components such as much of the reuse GNOME is going after but there seems to be nothing to compare MS to them in. I believe GNOME is going a great job and I hope for the best in Nautilus
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You know if you get a copy of Visual Basic 6 with the IE browser control you too can make an Alternative Pretty face browser. :-)
I don't care how many times someone crys piracy on Napster or how good it is. The fact is Napster is used for piracy. If you go on the service and search for a title that is copyrighted you will find at least a dozen (well known at least). There is not denying Napster is indeed used for piracy. This does not mean that Napster is bad. Napster is filesharing. It is MP3 filesharing but it is filesharing. Just because a file has an extention .mp3 doesn't make it illegal as people have pointed out about some artists use Napster to get their music around to people. Don't blame napster for the piracy. It is a tool and USERS USE this tool whether it be for good of "bad". I believe that the RIAA's definition of copyright is a little too over protective for a profit and to attack napster solely is wrong. Without USERS would napster be illegal. Without those copyrighted MP3's on the user's hard drive would napster be "illegal". Remember the mp3s don't originate on napster. Someone has to burn the mp3 and has already violated the copyright. The people who download these songs are equally wrong but all napster is doing is "Retrieve File" blindly. Napster doesn't know enough and probably can't know enough about the contents of the mp3 to hold it accountable. Can we hold AOL accountable for its users who pirate mp3s and programs in chatrooms using their EMAIL service. Can we hold the Web server accountable for a warez site giving out pirated goods or maybe your web browser accountable. It just doesn't make sense. Piracy is going to happen but from what I hear (not sure if it is just FUD) Napster Users actually buy more CD's by using their service to get the mp3. The main point I am trying to explain is the most Napster servers probably have are user accounts and log files. If anyone is at fault it is the CD ripping users not the service.
Solution to X problem. Distributions can make easier to use tools to fix this. XF86Setup is ok but could be better. XConfigurator is pretty decent too. Well it is true that on the install of Mandrake and Red Hat that you get the choice to Configure X. I do agree that gettting X up on my Slack box was a pain with the particulars of Video card and monitor specs. Maybe some better autodection and support of Generic Cards/Monitors would do the trick for that.
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My mistake on that. Well no one really bothers to know the difference between desktop environments and Window managers anymore. So people will just use one common word they know which is "Window Manager" heh.
KDE is its own window manager while GNOME needs the aide of a window manager.
Thi article is totally biased. I mean to say Miguel did it all for the money and the whole point of GNOME was to kill KDE. C'mon! Get real. Kill off KDE. It was setup as an alternative and sure any software would like to have a user based particilarly from a competing product but GNOME was made as an alternative to KDE because at the time with the QT licenses. This guy seems to be a KDE enthusist in the way he downplays GNOME. What does he consider a nasty comment from Miguel. That he says GNOME is better than KDE? What is he supposed say "Well GNOME isn't as good as KDE but I would like you to use it". Of course not...I mean if he wants users...KDE is very good product and is getting better but lets not downplay GNOME. A bit of irony of the GNOME ethusiast though. the who Free Unices (BSD, Linux) is supposed to be about choice but *some* GNOME developers/users seem to want it to be the only one. This is where they make GNOME look bad. Gnome 1.2 is a very good product from helix gnome and I use it and have the KDE 1.9.2 Libraries for some of the superior KDE programmed applications. Lets keep the competition friendly between the two desktops.
Anyone paying attention to XFCE Lately
why do you GNOME people always act so extreme about GNOME. Damn.. I use GNOME and I think 1.2 is a really good release but c'mon there is not that much wrong with KDE if anything. I just like GNOME more but I love the KDE applications. Please keep your extremist remarks to yourself no one needs to hear them. They are both very good and it is good that there are quality choices and toolkits.
Well I prefer GNOME to KDE because of the look too. I also have KDE 1.92 mostly for the programs and KDElibs. I am sorry to say but KDE has some VERY stable applications for its desktop I am not an extremist in this desktop war but I feel all this verbal bashing against both of them is just pointless. And Look has an interesting point to KDE in the way that If the look of KDE is the only thing people can complain or dislike about KDE then KDE must be doing something right in all their other areas. Look is not trivial but I put stability and functionality above cosmetic features but I sure do love the GTK+ themes
:-)
BTW KDE 2.0 (1.92) supports some kick as themes.
Um lets see what is so "Surprising" about MS wanting to PORT applications. Lets see...Well for one thing they have Windows...Most of their software is made for windows and not many releases are ported. Internet Explorer is one of the few pieces of Microsoft programs that was actually made for MAC (that and WORD). It is a little surprising. True they are a software company but I is a Windows-Centric type company. Why else would MS make Windows-specific programming languages...etc. Maybe this is a hoax or they are just doing what they do best...Be a software company and have a wider market insurance. (In the event that Linux gets a significant foot hold on the desktop market). They are a software company but not like other companies so it is a little surprising it is. And it is REAL this will help Linux more than hurt it. Like you say, many people use Office and if it was ported to Linux they would and could have a better OS (this is opinion) and a the familiar functionality of Word.
well they could always LGPL it then. That would be a smarter compromise.
Ohhhh....you hurt my feelings. Well whatever man. I hope you can code better than you read and interpret POSTS. It seems you don't do a very good job of that. What I was saying and it seems you don't understand Mr. "Outcode you anyway" is. User Friendliness doesn't magically appear you stupid joke of a computer user. If you want to add user friendliness you Linux why don't you get off your ass and contribute and stop complaining about it. You ever think about that or do you make a living criticizing things. Yes I understand the end user needs a user friendly environment but I'm not stupid and it seems you are missing the point. I didn't say the Users NEED to Code their own user friendly environment. You must be a moron please stay away from whatever computer you are on because you are endangering the computer with your idiocity. The programmer which you boast "Outcode you any day" can and should add some user friendliness. If you are so good at programming why don't you add some utilities or features to make Linux better and stop wasting your time on Slashdot recycling old news about Linux not being user friendly enough. Until then maybe you should shut your mouth and keep your stupid half ass remarks to yourself.
The general public will never be able to just code away at thier OS
No kidding genius...At least you catch the obvious and that wasn't the point I was making. Do you ever think before you type??
Well whatever the Linux Militants believe what happens...happens. I personally want to see more games get ported to Linux being it is the only Operating System on my System. I do on occasion visit a windows box to play some Starcraft...etc. There fundumentalists of the Linux world do not solely control what becomes of it. And screw the user base of it. I didn't install this OS for the solitude of it I did it for the functionality of it. There is not point for people wanting a small user base for their OS. Sure there will be idiots but there are idiots using linux right now and it has nothing to do with memorizing commands or learning how to use a text editor. People who choose to use Linux will do it out of their own choice and not have to follow the "best" wishes of the Slackware Militants who shun any user interface short of ncurses.
Sure the games my not be selling now but give it time. Killer sales won't happen over night and how many commercial games are out for Linux right now (not just x86) and how many future releases will their be? You can be premature in judging the state of game sales now.
But think about this. Your problem is that your "bag of crap" is force fed to you in a little package called windows. Free Software has a choice and it sounds like you haven't used many free software products lately. You probably think of free software as those incomplete little shareware programs from www.download.com or else where. No Free software isn't a bag of crap if it were it would probably have to be forced to people like your little windows shell. Save your Anti-Linux FUD for someone who will buy it. Oh and another thing about Linux...You don't like it feel free to change it and not bitch about it. You want Linux for user friendly...Get a copy of GCC some programming skills vi/emacs and code away. Until then just keep your little to yourself. That is about the worse analogy I have ever hear about Linux or another other OS for that fact. Every Operating system has its good and bad points but just because it doesn't serve YOU NEEDS is no reason to bitch and complain about it. A nice suggestion can do not some stupid half baked analogy. You don't understand Free Software and the potential of it and probably never well. Lots of Luck being an idiot...
FYI
KDE is its own WM if you notice. GNOME, however, is not a windowmanager and does not have one built into it (E and Sawfish are add on WM's)
because Slack support RPMs (well 7.0+) and Red Hat is supposedly everyone's preception of Linux. Besides I don't believe they would want to waste their time packaging debs and making tar balls. I think a tar would have been better with a shell script to so an easy install to move it to the bin directory (not that a mv or cp is too hard ;-) )
Well its a contract. I think AOL has the IE contract before they bought netscape.
Um...Gaim has Oscar protocol support now. It is in beta stages but is supported. By reverse engineering
True, I did find Red Hat 6.1 + Gnome run somewhat slower than 6.0 did under my 64MB. I think I should upgrade to 128 anyway to be safe
Well as far as loading time. Relative to other WEB BROWSERS it loads pretty quickly. Being that Explorer is integrated with the whole Windows environment it does give explorer an edge. Anyway as Konqueror reaches it finalized form I bet it will be faster and more responsive. I don't use Konqueror as a file manager and I really don't plan on using it as one. I need it for one thing. Web and maybe quick FTP.
Do you have a link to back that up. Just wondering. I still believe Opera is the most standards compliant. Does IE and Netscape support full CSS1 and 2? Just a question. flames > /dev/null 2> /dev/null &
um...Isn't Opera the most standards compliant browser out there being it is developed by a member (or former) of w3. What about those who have the tar balls is there a way I can choose to just have a browser and now a suite. I am not against Mozilla I think it is a great product that is improving. It does have speed issues on my 64MB RAM computer but it is getting faster and more stable. I anticipate the release of v1.0 as a quality product. I have yet to try M17 to see if this build runs even better for me than the previous build.
I sort of agree but for my I use RPM's when I really don't feel like taking the time to tar zxvf a file and I want an instant install. Other times I may need to add options like ./configure --with etc...I still can't see RPM Kernels too weird unless it came w/ a configure script.
Isn't Linux/Unix/GNU all about Choice. Sure you may not want to play with files to tweak your systems and it is your choice to use GUI front-ends. No one should be forced or looked down upon because of what they prefer to use. Some people will never feel confortable in CLI's and it is their preference. They should be shot down by the Unix Militants who are anti-newbie extremist. Sure maybe it would be nice if they did open up the hood and explored their system a little but not everyone is up for that. The people from Helix code and KDE are giving these people the choice (grep this comment for the world choice hehehe) and I believe that it is a smart move. No one should have to accept windows if they want another alternative. I started out on Red Hat and I am still kind of a newbie ::gasp:: but I do use vi...etc to hand config my system when I feel the need to. We should not condone people for their preferences and because what they want to use is not what you would use. Let people figure out for themselves what they want to use. No one is stuck in KDE/GNOME the shell is there and always will be.
::RANT MODE OFF::
-"The Good Humor Man can only be pushed so far"
Well then try Konqueror for KDE it is very fast and I believe is a better less bloated web browser than Explorer is. How can you compare GNOME to Microsoft. Microsoft does you integrated components such as much of the reuse GNOME is going after but there seems to be nothing to compare MS to them in. I believe GNOME is going a great job and I hope for the best in Nautilus