Why do posts keep getting moderated up for this? It's been available forever, has been posted in many Slashdot stories and posts.
This is Slashdot... people don't read the stories or the comments, they just post at random.
Besides, lots of people still seem to be ignorant of the existence of apt for RPM-based systems. Most also don't know about Yum, which is a more RPM-native tool with apt's functionality. Opening their eyes never hurts.
First, who said I would only report you to SPEWS? I said *all* the blacklists. And if I can't report you directly to one of them, well, that's what spoofing is for.
And as to the newsgroup "experience," most blacklist guys act like 14-year-olds on the newsgroups and flame anyone who even hints at questioning policy or who suggests that a site may have been listed in error.
I am participating in a boycott of spam supporting ISPs. It's that simple.
OK. I'm going to find out where your server is and report you to every RBL I can find. Then I'll get all my friends to do the same. Then I'll report every other customer of your ISP. Then I'll get all my friends to do the same.
Then I'll sit back and laugh when some guy in NANAE flames the fuck out of you for whining about how you shouldn't be blocked because you're a false positive.
And you'll deserve it, because blacklisters are not Good Internet Citizens.
Yes, but (at least every browser I tried) is only able to restore just one window and ignores on which desktop it was and which geometry that window had.
Galeon restored multiple windows for me earlier today. Perhaps you should try it, it also has a fine rendering engine.
And I've never encountered "aim:" protocol links so far. I'd rather have "fish:" (aka scp), "man:" and "info:":-)
I see. Me, I like once in a while to use separate applications for separate things, but I'm pretty sure I can make my browser handle help files of all sorts if I want. SCP in the browser is something I don't want to do (command-line, always the command-line).
And if you've never seen an "aim:" link before, well.../. won't let me post one, but they generally look like "aim:goim?screenname=blahblah&message=blah+blah+bl ah"
Konqueror is integrated and has some nice features other browsers can only dream about
I hate to be the bringer of inconvenient reality here, but pretty much every browser I've ever used has had "restore Webpages," to use your terminology. Most of them call it "save session on exit" though. And bookmark handling... well, you can go on all day about Konqueror, but when you're done Epiphany will still have the best bookmarking facilities I've ever seen.
As for "integration," well, I can't open an X session over SSH via UDP through the file-selection dialog, but my office suite can work with MS Office documents and I can click "aim:" protocol links in my browser and have my IM client handle them. Stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it.
All those things KDE has are very nice and shiny, and, as I've said before in comments, allow me to do nifty things like embed KOffice in the Solitaire game.
But when will KDE's office suite have good (i.e., on par with OpenOffice) interoperability with MS Word files? All the shiny widgets in the world mean dick if you can't import/export.doc...
Well I don't think I need it either, but apt has its own opinion on the matter:
apt-get remove openoffice-i18n
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
openoffice openoffice-i18n
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 removed and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 211MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
making it a whopping 173MB! That's roughly 100MB more than Windows and GNU/Linux versions.
I happened to have Synaptic open when I read this, so I glanced at my OO.o install size (Linux, of course):
openoffice 1.0.2-4 80.0M
openoffice-i18n 1.0.2-4 131M
openoffice-libs 1.0.2-4 100M
So on this Linux system, at least, the total size (all three packages are required in order to install OO.o) is 310MB. If only it were as small as the Mac's installation...
Of course I'll still use it, because while KOffice is flashy and pretty and will embed in the KDE Solitaire game if I like, it still can't handle MS Office files worth anything.
This kind of thing is supposed to be done with CSS, so why not campaign the browser makers to do it with CSS? Don't show it to the user, but have that "default font" rule create font-family rules in the user CSS.
Did I say it would? No. It simply gives you a mechanism for making text visible when it's too large for its containing element. If you'd said you wanted a way to change the size of an element, you should have said so...
Does anyone else notice that CSS layouts tend to look like ass when you use a huge font?
Yeah, and when I switched my browser to use black text on black backgrounds, it totally ruined all the CSS-specified colors! Come on, CSS guys, fix this!
I don't know if this si a browser issue, or a problem with the CSS spec, but text overflow is a serious issue, one which breaks nearly every CSS page with complex layout in existance.
Yeah, you'd think somebody would come up with an "overflow" property and put it in the CSS spec to fix that, wouldn't you?
Snarky comments aside, most problems with layouts being broken by text magnification can be fixed with careful design. Yeah, it takes some work, but generally no more than what you'd put in nesting 800 tables...
It overrides my default font with something they presumably thought was better. Why? Was there any good reason for this? Or was it just another example of CSS overdesign?
In the modern world, we do such things with user stylesheets. If you wanted, say, Verdana, you could get that with the following rule in your user CSS:
font-family: Verdana!important
The !important declaration, contrary to the meaning of "!" in other languages, makes this rule take precedence over anything a web designer specifies.
Perhaps in the future you should know what you're talking about before you bash it for "overdesign."
I'm not really up on my css, but I would guess a solution would be to have the centre column floating next to the left column, or to define the distance from the left hand side in em units instead of pixels.
Or the CSS property overflow, which could be used in a variety of ways to make the text visible when it gets too large for the column.
Selecting based on user-agent is a Bad Thing. The preferred method to provide "light" style to a PDA is the @media rule in CSS, which would allow PDAs to get their style via an "@media handheld" rule in the stylesheet, or from a simple link like this:
The author of the ALA article used the same technique to provide "printer-friendly" layout via CSS, and it can work for a variety of other media as well.
I will NOT put up with being shut down for no reason. Either they need to target the virus vectors, or don't do it at all. The minute my machine is ever turned off because someone near me has a virus is the minute I cancel my account and change providers.
Amen, especially when there are stupid IT people to deal with; a friend of mine on a college campus which will remain unnamed was in trouble last week and threatened with losing her on-campus Internet access because she hadn't applied the updates and patches . . . to her Mac.
And please tell me what is helpful about a chart written for a product I do not own?
I don't own a copy of Excel either, but I've got at least three different applications handy which are free (as in speech and as in beer) and can read the file . . .
because they are going to make themselves invisible to many of the middle management who make buying decisions on software.
Indeed. Because, as we all know, all such decisions are made by simply driving down to CompUSA and seeing what's available. There's no such thing as corporate merketing at all . . .
I do not understand the point of buying ximian if gnome2 is just as good. Is there any goodies that are not included in vanilla gnome?
Software-wise, Ximian includes the heavily-tweaked OpenOffice.org suite which is apparently a lot nicer than the standard version. But primarily, Ximian makes it easy. Installing GNOME is a pain in the ass; you have to download a bunch of packages and compile them in just the right order. Ximian makes it easy by automating the install, and makes things easy afterward with the Red Carpet update service. Insanely easy package management is also something GNOME doesn't do by default.
Finally, Ximian is a company which will provide support to customers who want it. The people who produce GNOME are (while producing a wonderful product) a non-profit bunch of programmers who will refer you to the FAQ or the mailing list if you have a problem. To corporate customers, that one feature is all the "goodies" Ximian needs.
ALL distros I have ever used that set up a KDE or GNOME desktop for you, have a web browser, normally Mozilla/Konqueror.
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's just about the browser. On lesser systems (i.e., Windows), you get a browser, but you also get RealPlayer, Acrobat, Flash, a JRE . . . all things which are, to many people, essential to "fully surfing the web," but aren't included in many Linux distros by default. Apparently if you pay for XD Pro, though, you get all that.
Of course, the last time I actually paid for a RH release, it included a PowerTools CD with Real, Acrobat, and some other stuff; I was under the impression that paying for the boxed set of a distro usually got you some extra commercial-software goodies, but the guy who wrote this review is so brain-dead he probably didn't think to check.
I went to the address the kiddie provided for his "live mild example" and it managed to . . . throw an error in the JavaScript console. Wow. Real impressive 'sploit there, kid. What's next? Cross-Platform Annoying Alert Window?
All of you who are interested in minimalistic systems should just go back to the console. After all, you're all just using the minimalistic WM to open a bunch of xterms . . .
Or for the really hardcore, turn the computer off. That's a minimalistic system.
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Besides, lots of people still seem to be ignorant of the existence of apt for RPM-based systems. Most also don't know about Yum, which is a more RPM-native tool with apt's functionality. Opening their eyes never hurts.
First, who said I would only report you to SPEWS? I said *all* the blacklists. And if I can't report you directly to one of them, well, that's what spoofing is for. And as to the newsgroup "experience," most blacklist guys act like 14-year-olds on the newsgroups and flame anyone who even hints at questioning policy or who suggests that a site may have been listed in error.
Then I'll sit back and laugh when some guy in NANAE flames the fuck out of you for whining about how you shouldn't be blocked because you're a false positive.
And you'll deserve it, because blacklisters are not Good Internet Citizens.
Galeon restored multiple windows for me earlier today. Perhaps you should try it, it also has a fine rendering engine.
I see. Me, I like once in a while to use separate applications for separate things, but I'm pretty sure I can make my browser handle help files of all sorts if I want. SCP in the browser is something I don't want to do (command-line, always the command-line).
And if you've never seen an "aim:" link before, well... /. won't let me post one, but they generally look like "aim:goim?screenname=blahblah&message=blah+blah+bl ah"
They're kind of handy sometimes.
As for "integration," well, I can't open an X session over SSH via UDP through the file-selection dialog, but my office suite can work with MS Office documents and I can click "aim:" protocol links in my browser and have my IM client handle them. Stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it.
But when will KDE's office suite have good (i.e., on par with OpenOffice) interoperability with MS Word files? All the shiny widgets in the world mean dick if you can't import/export .doc...
I happened to have Synaptic open when I read this, so I glanced at my OO.o install size (Linux, of course):
So on this Linux system, at least, the total size (all three packages are required in order to install OO.o) is 310MB. If only it were as small as the Mac's installation...
Of course I'll still use it, because while KOffice is flashy and pretty and will embed in the KDE Solitaire game if I like, it still can't handle MS Office files worth anything.
This kind of thing is supposed to be done with CSS, so why not campaign the browser makers to do it with CSS? Don't show it to the user, but have that "default font" rule create font-family rules in the user CSS.
It does not change area size.
Did I say it would? No. It simply gives you a mechanism for making text visible when it's too large for its containing element. If you'd said you wanted a way to change the size of an element, you should have said so...
Does anyone else notice that CSS layouts tend to look like ass when you use a huge font?
Yeah, and when I switched my browser to use black text on black backgrounds, it totally ruined all the CSS-specified colors! Come on, CSS guys, fix this!I don't know if this si a browser issue, or a problem with the CSS spec, but text overflow is a serious issue, one which breaks nearly every CSS page with complex layout in existance.
Yeah, you'd think somebody would come up with an " overflow " property and put it in the CSS spec to fix that, wouldn't you?
Snarky comments aside, most problems with layouts being broken by text magnification can be fixed with careful design. Yeah, it takes some work, but generally no more than what you'd put in nesting 800 tables...
It overrides my default font with something they presumably thought was better. Why? Was there any good reason for this? Or was it just another example of CSS overdesign?
In the modern world, we do such things with user stylesheets. If you wanted, say, Verdana, you could get that with the following rule in your user CSS:
The !important declaration, contrary to the meaning of "!" in other languages, makes this rule take precedence over anything a web designer specifies.
Perhaps in the future you should know what you're talking about before you bash it for "overdesign."
I'm not really up on my css, but I would guess a solution would be to have the centre column floating next to the left column, or to define the distance from the left hand side in em units instead of pixels.
Or the CSS property overflow , which could be used in a variety of ways to make the text visible when it gets too large for the column.
Selecting based on user-agent is a Bad Thing. The preferred method to provide "light" style to a PDA is the @media rule in CSS, which would allow PDAs to get their style via an "@media handheld" rule in the stylesheet, or from a simple link like this:
The author of the ALA article used the same technique to provide "printer-friendly" layout via CSS, and it can work for a variety of other media as well.
How old is news.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com?
Amen, especially when there are stupid IT people to deal with; a friend of mine on a college campus which will remain unnamed was in trouble last week and threatened with losing her on-campus Internet access because she hadn't applied the updates and patches . . . to her Mac.
I don't own a copy of Excel either, but I've got at least three different applications handy which are free (as in speech and as in beer) and can read the file . . .
Well, I'd use it, if I could find some documentation for the damned thing . . . got a handy link for that?
Indeed. Because, as we all know, all such decisions are made by simply driving down to CompUSA and seeing what's available. There's no such thing as corporate merketing at all . . .
Because as we all know, IBM gets its copies of Linux by driving down to the local Best Buy, as do all the other major corps which use Red Hat . . .
Software-wise, Ximian includes the heavily-tweaked OpenOffice.org suite which is apparently a lot nicer than the standard version. But primarily, Ximian makes it easy. Installing GNOME is a pain in the ass; you have to download a bunch of packages and compile them in just the right order. Ximian makes it easy by automating the install, and makes things easy afterward with the Red Carpet update service. Insanely easy package management is also something GNOME doesn't do by default.
Finally, Ximian is a company which will provide support to customers who want it. The people who produce GNOME are (while producing a wonderful product) a non-profit bunch of programmers who will refer you to the FAQ or the mailing list if you have a problem. To corporate customers, that one feature is all the "goodies" Ximian needs.
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's just about the browser. On lesser systems (i.e., Windows), you get a browser, but you also get RealPlayer, Acrobat, Flash, a JRE . . . all things which are, to many people, essential to "fully surfing the web," but aren't included in many Linux distros by default. Apparently if you pay for XD Pro, though, you get all that.
Of course, the last time I actually paid for a RH release, it included a PowerTools CD with Real, Acrobat, and some other stuff; I was under the impression that paying for the boxed set of a distro usually got you some extra commercial-software goodies, but the guy who wrote this review is so brain-dead he probably didn't think to check.
I went to the address the kiddie provided for his "live mild example" and it managed to . . . throw an error in the JavaScript console. Wow. Real impressive 'sploit there, kid. What's next? Cross-Platform Annoying Alert Window?
Or for the really hardcore, turn the computer off. That's a minimalistic system.