I don't know what you use, but I have hostname based v-host (with an ISP called superb.net) and ALL of the services you have listed (FTP, pop/imap, email, telnet) works just fine AND they are definetely all on the same sun box. I verified it several times.
Don't ask me how they do it, all I am telling you is that your post is innacurate.
I can vouch that name based vhosting works just fine for FTP and telnet. Don't ask me how and why, but it does - I use it daily, and the ISP I use is superb.net.
For some sanity. The posts over the last few days on the subject of the philly cop has been driving me crazy.
as you hinted, the cops' behavior have been outstanding (eventhough it may have been because of the camera) and from living a few miles out of Philly and getting a whole lot of news about this - this has been my feeling exactly.
This article only confirms what I've been thinking all along.
Your right to assemble doesn't give you the right to break other laws or city ordinances (remember, your rights end right were mine start). And you don't have to be injuring people and/or destroying property to be breaking the peace. Blocking traffic for hours (for example), is certainly not a right and is in not protected by the first amendement (or any other amendement) even if you're doing so to protest.
People that were really demonstrating peacefully were left alone. There were tons of such demonstrations all over philly, and they were left alone.
Those that chose to break the law (or were conspiring to) are facing the full wrath of the justice system. Excuse me if I don't feel bad - especially when we saw the alternative in Seattle not too long ago.
Coming from a country that is just a tad older than the US I find your arrogance amusing:) Like you (or the US) invented democracy or something...
And I am sure you are writing this post from some squalid philly prison - and doing so with whatever little strength you have left since they have not fed you yet.
That, or maybe you are using your laptop from the hospital because the police beat the crap out of you.
Please note that I never said there were no peaceful protesters. And you don't have to bring anything with you to be a violent protester either.
More objective than 2600, slashdot and all of the other so-called "news" outlets that are claiming mis-behavior by the police. Definetely.
It's not that the local news are more objective than the other reputable news outlets (CNN, the national networks, reputable newspapers, etc) - it's that they're right there, and they have been reporting a whole lot about everything. And they're not just reporting the police side, they've interviewed numerous protesters on camera (including many that admit their outrageous behavior inside and outside of the prisons), they've filmed many of the peaceful and not so peaceful protests all around the city.
The big national and reputable news outlets have reported very little on the subject because there is not much to report other than a job well done by the Philly police (in spite of their no so great record).
What I was trying to say is that unless you are in Philly, you just don't have enough information to make any kind of judgement because there hasn't been enough press coverage outside of Philly other than the odd news blurb. And again, I don't count 2600, etc. as valid news outlets.
When shown by all three network affiliates, yes i have a tendency to believe them.
Look, you can imagine any conspiracy you want, I don't care. I am very proud of the Philly police. They did an outstanding job in this case (regardless of their previous record)
The local Philadelphia press is probably biased. But the bias is usually AGAINST the cops not for them. The local press here NEVER E-V-E-R missed the opportunity to blow any little (often unsubstantiated) report of police misbehavior into a big scandal and/or some sort of police conspirancy.
So, yes, when the local news has a nothing but great things to say about the police behavior last week, I have a tendency to be very impressed.
And I got a ticket three weeks ago that I did not deserve, and I was found not guilty in court last week).
But how does this relate to anything that happened in Philly?
Police abuse is not new and it's well documented. In some country even more so than in others (your poor grammar and spelling suggest you're not a native english speaker). I don't see how this shows that any of this happened in Philly.
Again, like I replied to someone else - I enjoy a good police bashing as much as anyone (and almost as much as I enjoy bashing microsoft) - I just don't see any reason that warrant it in this case. Sorry. Overall the Philly police did very well.
please... have you ever watched the local news in Philly???? The local news NEVER miss an opportunity to take ANY report of misbehavior by the philly police and turn it into a major conspiracy. NEVER! That's what local news do!! (ps: don't know anything about the Inquirer - never read it, so i can't deny or confirm anything on that subject)
As far as your first point, there were plenty of footage from a whole lot of police altercations. As far as any close-ups of arrests and stuff, you can't blame the police from keeping reporters at bay. It seems like common sense to me.
That was the content of a warehouse that was raided by the police, thanks to tips from the secret service. The content was shown on TV. I have no reason to believe that the police planted that stuff in the warehouse if that's what you're implying. And you're not going to convince me that the protesters that were in that warehouse brought the lethal animals as pets, or that the chemicals/explosive were there for no reason. The only logical conclusion is that these things were intended to be used as weapons.
As far as the piano wire, the gassing, the blocking the traffic and trying to trip cops with overturned dumpsters, the police getting injured - all those incidents were filmed by the news.
You know I enjoy a good police bashing just as much as I enjoy a good microsoft bashing - i just don't see anything that deserves it in this case. Sorry.
(I live 30 mins north of philly, so thanks to local news, we got a bit more information regarding what happened than most of you)
I don't think that the Philly police did anything wrong at all during the convention. If anything, they deserve a lot of credit for how they handled all this. The local police did A LOT of research (including flying up to Seattle during the riots) and lots and lots of training for weeks before the convention.
The so-called peaceful protesters were really not so peaceful. The police (thanks to tips from the secret services) found all kinds of stuff, ranging from explosives, to lethal spiders, snakes, etc that the protesters were planning to release in the crowds. Not to mantion protesters were tying piano wire across roadways to try to trip horses (and potentially injure them). The list of outrageous things they did goes on and on.
As far as the prison bad treatment, well, it seems that again, it was the police that was abused. Apparently, the so called peaceful protesters were throwing feces and urine at the guards/cops - while chanting and screaming all night long. No offense, but with that kind of behavior, bot only do they not deserve any kind of civilized treatment, but they deserve to be in lockup for the rest of their stays in that prison. That being said, they were fed, INCLUDING those with special diet requirement like lactose intolerance (they received peanut butter sandwich instead of cheese sandwich).
Lastly, I sincerely doubt that this guy was in fact walking down the street with his cell phone - but if it is in fact the case, I'd like to think that it is an isolated incident/mistake for which the cops should apologize. There were tons of actually peaceful protests all around the city, and none of them were brutalized or anything, although the Philly police did keep an eye on all of these protests.
All in all the Philly police did a great job, and reacted VERY WELL under extreme pressure.
As far as the remarks about GW Bush, well, as an H1B worker, the american politics don't interest me a whole lot but I will say this: the alternative doesn't seem a whole lot better (if at all better).
PS: I am from Belgium, you should see the kind of crowd control we use when we have violent protesters (which we do a lot since Brussels is the headquarters of NATO and EU) - the tactics used by the Philly police is relatively mild compared to what we do.
I don't think that the Philly police did anything wrong at all during the convention. If anything, they deserve a lot of credit for how they handled all this. The local police did A LOT of research (including flying up to Seattle during the riots) and lots and lots of training.
The so-called peaceful protesters were really not so peaceful. The police (thanks to tips from the secret services) found all kinds of stuff, ranging to explosives, to lethal spiders, snakes, etc that the protesters were planning to release in the crowds.
As far as the prison bad treatment, well, it seems that again, it was the police that was abused. Apparently, the so called peaceful protesters were throwing feces and urine at the guards/cops - while chanting and screaming all night long. No offense, but with that kind of behavior, bot only do they not deserve any kind of civilized treatment, but they deserve to be in lockup for the rest of their stays in that prison. That being said, they were fed, INCLUDING those with special diet requirement like lactose intolerance (they received peanut butter sandwich instead of cheese sandwich).
Lastly, I sincerely doubt that this guy was in fact walking down the street with his cell phone - but if it is in fact the case, I'd like to think that it is an isolated incident/mistake for which the cops should apologize.
All in all the Philly police did a great job, and reacted VERY WELL under extreme pressure.
As far as the remarks about GW Bush, well, as an H1B worker, the american politics don't interest me a whole lot but I will say this: the alternative doesn't seem a whole lot better (if at all better).
PS: I am from Belgium, you should see the kind of crowd control we use when we have violent protesters (which we do a lot since Brussels is the headquarters of NATO and EU) - the tactics used by the Philly police is relatively mild compared to what we do.
No true - Global Knowledge is their training partner and they have centers all over the place so travel should be minimal. They administer the tests as well.
And to defend their price of $700 for thest, it's a whole day thing and it's NOT computer based multiple choice like the Sylvan exams. It's instructor led hands on "I broke this machine please fix it" type of test.
I can't disagree with you - you're not raining on any parade. I specifically said that the only reason I got this certification is because my employer wanted me to and paid for it.
That's just wonderful... I just got the RHCE certification (didn't really care about it but my company insisted on paying for it, so who am i to argue?). Since the certification is specifically for RH6.2, and that it will expire at the end of the RH7.x serie (that's what the instructor said anyway, but nobody is really sure) - at the rate RH is going that should be in a year or so?
As I said, I am glad my company paid for this. Considering how much it cost ($700 just for the test), and how soon it becomes obsolete, I would NEVER have paid for it.
Kickstart is a great way to install - expecially if you work in a DHCP environment.
I recently discovered this intallation method when I went to the Red Hat fast track class (and passed the exam by the way, nothing like a little self-congratulations:)
As someone else pointed out, you just have to make sure to use the right disk imagine. Chances are you'll be doing a kickstart over the network, so you should use bootnet.img, BUT if you're using a laptop and need PCMCIA support to use the network card for instance, you need to use the pcmcia image.
Assuming you got that right, with all the options available on the kickstart file, and the fact that you can do anything you want at the end (add you own script of whatever) you should be able to do great with it.
Writing a good kickstart file might take a few tries though but it's defientely worth taking the time doing.
That's nice, but what does it have to do with the OS???
We have Linux running on various Compaq Proliant in our server room. Aside from the fact they have hardware redundancy (which your scenario doesn't really account for), we do have the hardware contracts with Compaq, so yes, we do have Compaq guys running if something goes bad with the hardware.
Again, nothing to do with Linux, nothing to do with RedHat. It's hardware issue! That's why you get away with using Sun in your example, Sun really sells you the hardware (software is a token, they're even considering making it free, if they haven't already).
If the server goes waaay down (assuming you know your stuff - might be a big assumption), there is nothing the tech guy can do that you can't do. All the tech guy will do is get your server "running" again. The data on it, he can't do any miracles either if it's trashed beyong belief. Backups anyone?
yes, but if I recall correctly, the chose to use a RAID controller that was *barely* supported for Linux (beta quality?). There was also an issue with the network cards but I forgot what. And a huge amount of RAM (too much for Linux at the time).
The point is: the hardware was specially selected to favor Windows.
That's just to address the hardware. The software tweaks and configurations they did was just a joke - but the second round of tests addressed some of the software issues.
I thought you meant checking the password to see if it's a dictionary word, or long enough, that type of thing... (not the authentication)
But anyway. In this case, I retract my last comment, and reply with 'duh'. You can "what if" every application in existence and say the same thing as you did (and not bring a whole lot to the conversation). Presumably the same people that took piranha apart to find any issues, only found the hard coded default.
... You can't GET to the tool unless you can log into Piranha - which you can't unless you know the password.
This is exactly like the "Hack Linux box" contest that was run a while ago. Everyone blamed Linux for it (an exploit in bind or named or one of those was exploited). Never mind the fact that the ONLY way the exploiter was able to get to it was to use a POORLY written THIRD PARTY/COMMERCIAL perl cgi script the people that run the contest had installed.
That being said, this is no excuse for this RedHat blunder. Just when everyone was giving microsoft a hard time for hard coding a password in one of their dlls, someone at RedHat did the same...
That "buffer overrun" should be fixed too, but RedHat's reply was correct: you should have changed the password on install and the problem would not even exist. That's a basic of sys admin (for any application! including oracle, etc.)
... which is a VERY large company, although maybe not as known in the US. And Acer treats their employees very well (at least in Taiwan). I would know about this, my fiancee has been working for them for a couple years now.
why not? Many states are considering banning the usage of cell phone while driving claiming that it is very dangerous and has been the cause for many accidents. In some states these type of laws have actually passed.
So, with some much precedents in place, how hard would it be to sue plugout.com saying that their spam email caused a car accident (or some related thing you might be able to sue about) ?
I know it might a stretch - it's just an idea. Generally speaking I am not as "sue happy" as most americans, but I have just about had it with email spam, spma that comes through ICQ, direct marketers that call me DAILY or come to my door, and now... "instant cell phone spam messaging".
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I don't know what you use, but I have hostname based v-host (with an ISP called superb.net) and ALL of the services you have listed (FTP, pop/imap, email, telnet) works just fine AND they are definetely all on the same sun box. I verified it several times.
Don't ask me how they do it, all I am telling you is that your post is innacurate.
I can vouch that name based vhosting works just fine for FTP and telnet. Don't ask me how and why, but it does - I use it daily, and the ISP I use is superb.net.
For some sanity. The posts over the last few days on the subject of the philly cop has been driving me crazy.
as you hinted, the cops' behavior have been outstanding (eventhough it may have been because of the camera) and from living a few miles out of Philly and getting a whole lot of news about this - this has been my feeling exactly.
This article only confirms what I've been thinking all along.
well, maybe that's what it is then... I am majorly arachnopobic :)
Your right to assemble doesn't give you the right to break other laws or city ordinances (remember, your rights end right were mine start). And you don't have to be injuring people and/or destroying property to be breaking the peace. Blocking traffic for hours (for example), is certainly not a right and is in not protected by the first amendement (or any other amendement) even if you're doing so to protest.
:) Like you (or the US) invented democracy or something...
People that were really demonstrating peacefully were left alone. There were tons of such demonstrations all over philly, and they were left alone.
Those that chose to break the law (or were conspiring to) are facing the full wrath of the justice system. Excuse me if I don't feel bad - especially when we saw the alternative in Seattle not too long ago.
Coming from a country that is just a tad older than the US I find your arrogance amusing
And I am sure you are writing this post from some squalid philly prison - and doing so with whatever little strength you have left since they have not fed you yet.
That, or maybe you are using your laptop from the hospital because the police beat the crap out of you.
Please note that I never said there were no peaceful protesters. And you don't have to bring anything with you to be a violent protester either.
More objective than 2600, slashdot and all of the other so-called "news" outlets that are claiming mis-behavior by the police. Definetely.
It's not that the local news are more objective than the other reputable news outlets (CNN, the national networks, reputable newspapers, etc) - it's that they're right there, and they have been reporting a whole lot about everything. And they're not just reporting the police side, they've interviewed numerous protesters on camera (including many that admit their outrageous behavior inside and outside of the prisons), they've filmed many of the peaceful and not so peaceful protests all around the city.
The big national and reputable news outlets have reported very little on the subject because there is not much to report other than a job well done by the Philly police (in spite of their no so great record).
What I was trying to say is that unless you are in Philly, you just don't have enough information to make any kind of judgement because there hasn't been enough press coverage outside of Philly other than the odd news blurb. And again, I don't count 2600, etc. as valid news outlets.
When shown by all three network affiliates, yes i have a tendency to believe them.
Look, you can imagine any conspiracy you want, I don't care. I am very proud of the Philly police. They did an outstanding job in this case (regardless of their previous record)
The local Philadelphia press is probably biased. But the bias is usually AGAINST the cops not for them. The local press here NEVER E-V-E-R missed the opportunity to blow any little (often unsubstantiated) report of police misbehavior into a big scandal and/or some sort of police conspirancy.
So, yes, when the local news has a nothing but great things to say about the police behavior last week, I have a tendency to be very impressed.
And I got a ticket three weeks ago that I did not deserve, and I was found not guilty in court last week).
But how does this relate to anything that happened in Philly?
Police abuse is not new and it's well documented. In some country even more so than in others (your poor grammar and spelling suggest you're not a native english speaker). I don't see how this shows that any of this happened in Philly.
Again, like I replied to someone else - I enjoy a good police bashing as much as anyone (and almost as much as I enjoy bashing microsoft) - I just don't see any reason that warrant it in this case. Sorry. Overall the Philly police did very well.
please... have you ever watched the local news in Philly???? The local news NEVER miss an opportunity to take ANY report of misbehavior by the philly police and turn it into a major conspiracy. NEVER! That's what local news do!! (ps: don't know anything about the Inquirer - never read it, so i can't deny or confirm anything on that subject)
As far as your first point, there were plenty of footage from a whole lot of police altercations. As far as any close-ups of arrests and stuff, you can't blame the police from keeping reporters at bay. It seems like common sense to me.
That was the content of a warehouse that was raided by the police, thanks to tips from the secret service. The content was shown on TV. I have no reason to believe that the police planted that stuff in the warehouse if that's what you're implying. And you're not going to convince me that the protesters that were in that warehouse brought the lethal animals as pets, or that the chemicals/explosive were there for no reason. The only logical conclusion is that these things were intended to be used as weapons.
As far as the piano wire, the gassing, the blocking the traffic and trying to trip cops with overturned dumpsters, the police getting injured - all those incidents were filmed by the news.
You know I enjoy a good police bashing just as much as I enjoy a good microsoft bashing - i just don't see anything that deserves it in this case. Sorry.
please... the philly police did nothing wrong.
(I live 30 mins north of philly, so thanks to local news, we got a bit more information regarding what happened than most of you)
I don't think that the Philly police did anything wrong at all during the convention. If anything, they deserve a lot of credit for how they handled all this. The local police did A LOT of research (including flying up to Seattle during the riots) and lots and lots of training for weeks before the convention.
The so-called peaceful protesters were really not so peaceful. The police (thanks to tips from the secret services) found all kinds of stuff, ranging from explosives, to lethal spiders, snakes, etc that the protesters were planning to release in the crowds. Not to mantion protesters were tying piano wire across roadways to try to trip horses (and potentially injure them). The list of outrageous things they did goes on and on.
As far as the prison bad treatment, well, it seems that again, it was the police that was abused. Apparently, the so called peaceful protesters were throwing feces and urine at the guards/cops - while chanting and screaming all night long. No offense, but with that kind of behavior, bot only do they not deserve any kind of civilized treatment, but they deserve to be in lockup for the rest of their stays in that prison. That being said, they were fed, INCLUDING those with special diet requirement like lactose intolerance (they received peanut butter sandwich instead of cheese sandwich).
Lastly, I sincerely doubt that this guy was in fact walking down the street with his cell phone - but if it is in fact the case, I'd like to think that it is an isolated incident/mistake for which the cops should apologize. There were tons of actually peaceful protests all around the city, and none of them were brutalized or anything, although the Philly police did keep an eye on all of these protests.
All in all the Philly police did a great job, and reacted VERY WELL under extreme pressure.
As far as the remarks about GW Bush, well, as an H1B worker, the american politics don't interest me a whole lot but I will say this: the alternative doesn't seem a whole lot better (if at all better).
PS: I am from Belgium, you should see the kind of crowd control we use when we have violent protesters (which we do a lot since Brussels is the headquarters of NATO and EU) - the tactics used by the Philly police is relatively mild compared to what we do.
(well, not quite I am 30 mins north of philly)
I don't think that the Philly police did anything wrong at all during the convention. If anything, they deserve a lot of credit for how they handled all this. The local police did A LOT of research (including flying up to Seattle during the riots) and lots and lots of training.
The so-called peaceful protesters were really not so peaceful. The police (thanks to tips from the secret services) found all kinds of stuff, ranging to explosives, to lethal spiders, snakes, etc that the protesters were planning to release in the crowds.
As far as the prison bad treatment, well, it seems that again, it was the police that was abused. Apparently, the so called peaceful protesters were throwing feces and urine at the guards/cops - while chanting and screaming all night long. No offense, but with that kind of behavior, bot only do they not deserve any kind of civilized treatment, but they deserve to be in lockup for the rest of their stays in that prison. That being said, they were fed, INCLUDING those with special diet requirement like lactose intolerance (they received peanut butter sandwich instead of cheese sandwich).
Lastly, I sincerely doubt that this guy was in fact walking down the street with his cell phone - but if it is in fact the case, I'd like to think that it is an isolated incident/mistake for which the cops should apologize.
All in all the Philly police did a great job, and reacted VERY WELL under extreme pressure.
As far as the remarks about GW Bush, well, as an H1B worker, the american politics don't interest me a whole lot but I will say this: the alternative doesn't seem a whole lot better (if at all better).
PS: I am from Belgium, you should see the kind of crowd control we use when we have violent protesters (which we do a lot since Brussels is the headquarters of NATO and EU) - the tactics used by the Philly police is relatively mild compared to what we do.
And just for this, I had to go and buy one... It was rather hard because copyleft seems hopelessly slashdotted, but it was worth the persistence.
No true -
Global Knowledge is their training partner and they have centers all over the place so travel should be minimal. They administer the tests as well.
And to defend their price of $700 for thest, it's a whole day thing and it's NOT computer based multiple choice like the Sylvan exams. It's instructor led hands on "I broke this machine please fix it" type of test.
I can't disagree with you - you're not raining on any parade. I specifically said that the only reason I got this certification is because my employer wanted me to and paid for it.
That's just wonderful...
I just got the RHCE certification (didn't really care about it but my company insisted on paying for it, so who am i to argue?). Since the certification is specifically for RH6.2, and that it will expire at the end of the RH7.x serie (that's what the instructor said anyway, but nobody is really sure) - at the rate RH is going that should be in a year or so?
As I said, I am glad my company paid for this. Considering how much it cost ($700 just for the test), and how soon it becomes obsolete, I would NEVER have paid for it.
Kickstart is a great way to install - expecially if you work in a DHCP environment.
:)
I recently discovered this intallation method when I went to the Red Hat fast track class (and passed the exam by the way, nothing like a little self-congratulations
As someone else pointed out, you just have to make sure to use the right disk imagine. Chances are you'll be doing a kickstart over the network, so you should use bootnet.img, BUT if you're using a laptop and need PCMCIA support to use the network card for instance, you need to use the pcmcia image.
Assuming you got that right, with all the options available on the kickstart file, and the fact that you can do anything you want at the end (add you own script of whatever) you should be able to do great with it.
Writing a good kickstart file might take a few tries though but it's defientely worth taking the time doing.
That's nice, but what does it have to do with the OS???
We have Linux running on various Compaq Proliant in our server room. Aside from the fact they have hardware redundancy (which your scenario doesn't really account for), we do have the hardware contracts with Compaq, so yes, we do have Compaq guys running if something goes bad with the hardware.
Again, nothing to do with Linux, nothing to do with RedHat. It's hardware issue! That's why you get away with using Sun in your example, Sun really sells you the hardware (software is a token, they're even considering making it free, if they haven't already).
If the server goes waaay down (assuming you know your stuff - might be a big assumption), there is nothing the tech guy can do that you can't do. All the tech guy will do is get your server "running" again. The data on it, he can't do any miracles either if it's trashed beyong belief. Backups anyone?
alex, rhce (acronyms are cool).
yes, but if I recall correctly, the chose to use a RAID controller that was *barely* supported for Linux (beta quality?). There was also an issue with the network cards but I forgot what. And a huge amount of RAM (too much for Linux at the time).
The point is: the hardware was specially selected to favor Windows.
That's just to address the hardware. The software tweaks and configurations they did was just a joke - but the second round of tests addressed some of the software issues.
I thought you meant checking the password to see if it's a dictionary word, or long enough, that type of thing... (not the authentication)
But anyway. In this case, I retract my last comment, and reply with 'duh'. You can "what if" every application in existence and say the same thing as you did (and not bring a whole lot to the conversation). Presumably the same people that took piranha apart to find any issues, only found the hard coded default.
... You can't GET to the tool unless you can log into Piranha - which you can't unless you know the password.
This is exactly like the "Hack Linux box" contest that was run a while ago. Everyone blamed Linux for it (an exploit in bind or named or one of those was exploited). Never mind the fact that the ONLY way the exploiter was able to get to it was to use a POORLY written THIRD PARTY/COMMERCIAL perl cgi script the people that run the contest had installed.
That being said, this is no excuse for this RedHat blunder. Just when everyone was giving microsoft a hard time for hard coding a password in one of their dlls, someone at RedHat did the same...
That "buffer overrun" should be fixed too, but RedHat's reply was correct: you should have changed the password on install and the problem would not even exist. That's a basic of sys admin (for any application! including oracle, etc.)
... which is a VERY large company, although maybe not as known in the US. And Acer treats their employees very well (at least in Taiwan). I would know about this, my fiancee has been working for them for a couple years now.
why not?
Many states are considering banning the usage of cell phone while driving claiming that it is very dangerous and has been the cause for many accidents. In some states these type of laws have actually passed.
So, with some much precedents in place, how hard would it be to sue plugout.com saying that their spam email caused a car accident (or some related thing you might be able to sue about) ?
I know it might a stretch - it's just an idea. Generally speaking I am not as "sue happy" as most americans, but I have just about had it with email spam, spma that comes through ICQ, direct marketers that call me DAILY or come to my door, and now... "instant cell phone spam messaging".
It has to stop.