OK... Yes there is a $80 difference, but from what I can tell, the pine player (if it ever comes out) is a little better too. For one, looking at Mambo's web site it seems that their LCD display doesn't show the track name for the mp3 you're playing. The pine does. When you have a CDR with hundreds of songs on it, it would be nice to know what you're playing. I think I would pay $80 for that feature, but that's just me!
They missed quite a few themes that include the Macintosh logo. Well, at least one, this one. Not that I am asking for them to be removed, but is it really Macintosh logos they're after, or is it they don't want MacOSX look alikes? Cant' help but to wonder eventhough I am familiar with copyright laws and Mac's need to enforce it (or loose it). Could be they just didn't notice these other themes.
I appreciate you giving me credit for this "theory" - but I am unfortunately not the one that came up with it. I did find ellen boring so I had no problem with the show being cancelled but I distinctly remember quite a bit a fuzz being made about this when it happened, including interviews with Ellen DiGeneres, Michael Eisner, etc. and what transpired from these interviews and is that Disney (or at least some of its top executives) DID in fact have issues with her being openly gay on prime time TV. At the end of the day it may not have not been the only reason the show was cancelled, but it certainly did not help her keep her show...
But this is all getting a bit off topic really.
abcnews does have a pretty good record (as far as I know) but we'll see if that hold up. Disney is a powerful owner/corporation. Don't underestimate it.
It's be interesting to see if ABC news is capable of keeping it's journalistic integrity considering the obvious conflict of interest.
Keep in mind that ABC is owned by Disney and Disney has chosen to leverage it's power repeatedly (i.e. the Sitcom "Ellen" eas cancelled because she is gay on the show and Disney won't stand for that). In this case, Disney being one of the plaintiff (indirectly maybe) we'll see what happens.
Needless to say I'd feel *slightly* better if NBC or CBS flew over for the interview...
One can't help but the wonder how the pick pocket was able to get a cash advance. Did your mother in law have the pin printed on the card or something? If so, that's dumb, dumb, dumb.
@Home does use DHCP, but they always serve you the same IP. The only reason they use DHCP is that *in case* they have to change your IP (major network reconfiguration -not happened yet) they can do so painlessly.
I have a dual boot machine (Linux and Win98). I am not using DHCP for Linux, it's all hard coded. Works just fine:)
I could just start and speculate for hours as to how his credit card number was stolen. Maybe somebody sniffed a packet and read the card. unlikely but technically possible. Maybe the random card generator. Maybe it's not an online problem at all. But there is one thing I am pretty sure of, regardless of how flawed the cookie system might be, whoever got his credit card number in all likelyhood did not get it through a cookie!!
What's being stored in cookies? Well, a session id. Or a user name. Or maybe even some personal info or preferences. But I have never ever seen any site storing the credit card number in a cookie! And I shop online an awful lot.
If the credit card number was in fact lost online, and you must blame it on someone, blame it on the stupidity of this particular user. You don't send that info online in a non-encrypted format and as a general practice you probably should not shop online at a store you don't trust (for a variety of reasons, privacy and security being only some of those reasons.
When you work for 40 so odd hours with someone, you tend to befriend them. At least I do. And without asking or sneaking around that type of information always comes up sooner or later in one form or another.
I neither want to know or care what other people make, but it so happen that I have learned that info from some people. No big deal, I just don't care. If anyone wants to know what I make, I'll tell.
I think that reason is quite simple - I don't think a minor would be legally bound to this EULA if it were to go to court. Since you're assumed to be dumb and stupid and incapable to make decisions until you reach that magical age of 18. Until then, your parents need to sign releases for school trips, and everything else really.
I am not saying I am agreeing with any it, just that from a lawyer point of view (which I am not), this clause might be a good idea.
The salaried staff in the company I work for (a Fortune 50) work under the following rules:
Have to work 40 hours/week otherwhise they're penalized (so, yes, they have to punch in in a way also)
Overtime rules are so strange and difficult, it is very rare anyone can take advantage of it
The pay scales for salaried people are so pathetic that my boss start them all as "managers" (eventhough they're not managing anything). Eventhen, it's bad.
As a contractor in the same company:
Paid by the hour, for EVERY hour I actually work (so far - always > 40 hours/week) at really good rate. (I make more than double of what the "salaried managers" make)
I still get 2 weeks paid vacation, all paid holidays, pretty much the same benefit package (slightly better I think) than the salaried people.
Complete "flextime" - I can work when I want.
If the company I work for was to go belly-up (very unlikely) my contracting company would relocate me (if I want) to another assignment in days. So, yes, contractor do have job security.
And the list goes on...
For me the choice between being a contractor vs. a salaried employee is a no brainer. I think anyone that does a good job would find that choice easy.
I know that the question was salaried vs hourly, and that hourly is not neccessarily being a contractor. But contractors ALWAYS are hourly, so I think the comparison might illustrate what an employe might gain if they go hourly instead of salaried.
Our friends at Microsoft came up with one of those not too long ago. An "improved" optical mouse actually - since it does not require a special mouse pad/tablet unlike the competition.
No idea about Linux usuability but in theory it should work since it's a PS2 mouse.
Acer-America is not doing so well, but I have some insider information about Acer in general (someone I know very well works for Acer in Taiwan) and Acer is here to stay baby! That company is kicking ass big time eventhough US sales are not really good due to the dominance of the US manufacturer.
But here is the beautiful thing - even if Acer did not produce any more PC/laptops with its name on it, it's no big deal. Acer makes computers and laptops for several companies including IBM. They used to make all Texas Instrument notebook before Acer simply bought TI's notebook division. I won't even mantion the AOpen line, and they make a shitload of royalties off ASUS (Asus was created by a bunch of ex-acer engineers).
Life is beautiful over there, *unlike* some of the so-called successful American manufacturers Acer is actually making lots of money. In fact - I have a standing job offer if I want to move to Taiwan:)
It would be OK if microsoft bundled a FREE copy of windows with every computer. Preferable not installed, just a free CD like an AOL CD. Throw in a free Corel Linux CD in there and even a free BeOS CD and life is beautiful.
It's not that we're biggoted against Microsoft, but merely resenting that we're forced to BUY windows pre-installed.
The first one is fear. I have no fear in using this fictitious software (does not exists yet). Legal or not there is no chance to get caught.
The other one is whether or not they feel bad cheating (I call that moral, you may have another definition). As I attempted to explain, I don't see any reason to feel bad about this particular case since I don't make any profit out of it (not like I am selling any software) and the people the license protect got their money from me already (by buying the player and the movies). Once again, it's a case by case thing - I am in no way advocating breaking licenses in general even from the big bad microsoft (I buy ALL my commercial software).
The reason the DVD specs are closed is to protect movie studios from having their movies distributed/copied illegally. Potentially also to protect the DVD player manufacturers - I don't know.
Having bought both the player AND the movie, I don't feel any moral problem/dilemna to play that movie (I paid for) on that player (I paid for) even if I have to use "underground" software to do it because my doing so is not hurting anybody's (hardware manufacturer or movie studios) financial interests.
Now, I realize it is probably illegal regardless of what I think, but that's why I am distinguising between legal and moral.
Let me give you another example that better compares to the DVD situation.
Let's say video card manufacturer XYZ puts out a brand new card, however they do not have a Linux driver (yet or ever).
So Joe Linux-geek decides to do some reverse engineering and writes a driver for Linux.
Do I feel bad using the driver? no. I bought the card. Does the manufacturer feel bad? From what I have seen so far - no, because their card are being bought and that's all they care about. This example is not really hypothetical, it's been done for pretty much every piece of computer hardware so far since (until very recently) nobody was supporting Linux.
I bought a DVD-encore player from SoundBlaster for a few hundred dollars. I bought DVD movies from BestBuy at $15-$30 a piece...
Now I'd like to play the DVDs on that drive using Linux, but creative does not have the software. So someone writes one by reverse engineering something else. What law am I breaking? I am playing a paid-for DVD on a paid-for player. There may be something illegal to this, but there *definetely* is nothing immoral to this. That's what it boils down to.
Now, if I used this reversed engineered code to rip DVD and resell them, that would be wrong and immoral. But that is not the case.
I have always had a fair amount of respect for the two (although I have to admit that I am more familiar with ESR's work than Bruce's), but this! These two obvious have some *personal* issues, but do they need to trash each other like that on slashdot? How is any of this constructive?
You two should be arguing this alone in person (or by email if that's less intimidating). Not on slashdot or any public forum...
Of course part of me still hope it's a joke. and both ESR and Bruce are having a little fun by pulling our legs... I am just having a hard time believing that the two of them could be so immature.
He could have NEVER gotten to the cron exploit if the CGI didn't let him. There is one line of code in the CGI that allowed all this to happen. The CGI does a 'rename' at some point but does not check that it was successful, and the exploit relies on the rename to fail.
Furthermore, he could not have done anything if he didn't obtain the actual CGI application from a friend. He basically analyzed the CGI, found a potential open door and exploited it.
This is in no way implying that the bug in the crond daemon is ok, and didn't have a cause in this, just merely that a better written CGI would have prevented _ANY_ of this to happen.
The CGI was not written by _ANYONE_ related to Linux, merely a third party (commercial?). So to blame this exploit on bugs in Linux or Apache is not quite right.
Are you trying to imply that gay people are paedophiles, or are more likely to be paedophiles? C'mon! Give us a break, this is the most ridiculous unfounded prejudiced biggotted accusation I have read for a long long while...
I emailed this idea to Rob yesterday - although I am not sure I expressed the idea very clearly. Regardless of that, I figure I'd explain it here so that others can read it too.
I think the meta-moderation would be uneccessary if the moderation was a little bit smarter to begin with. For instance, if you moderate a comment by marking it as "-1 Overrated" aside from adjusting the score, aren't you saying that the last person that upped the comment is a bad moderator? I think so.
So "-1 overrated" and "+1 underrated" could have 2 effects:
Adjust the score of the post
Meta-moderate the moderators and negatively affect their karma
Voila! Both moderation and meta-moderation have been taken care off in one step!
I have no objections about anything you said - except for one:
Why should I pay for someone to call me? Why shouldn't a cellphone have its own area code? Besides USA&Canada, the whole world works that way (including other non-GSM countries like Japan).
Because if I don't pay for the airtime to receive a call, the caller will. I know you are going to say: who cares? Well, a lot of people like myself do. Some people want to be called (like business people on the road, or people that choose to have a cell phone as their only phone) and don't want the burden to be on the caller. The only case where this could be a problem is wrong number or telemarketers, but that problem is currently taken care of since the first minute is usually free of airtime (therefore free).
You don't have to agree, just stating that if they were to change this particular policy - it would piss people off (like me) just as much as it would make others happy (like you). Maybe they could have both systems in place - and I believe they are thinking about it (as of a recent article I read somewhere. Wait! Wasn't it here?)
It would be nice not to have a yearly contract, but I wouldn't have if I had actually paid for the phone (like with AT&T). And I suppose that it would be nice if there was no monthly fee, but I don't think that is a reasonable expectation or a big deal (regardless of what europe does) - no unless they drop the monthly fee for a landline. Would it be nice to have all the prices drop a bit? Sure it would. And it will. In a few years, when the company have built their infrastructure and are making pure profit - until then, it is not reasonable to expect them to do so.
Just letting you know - you need to shop around a little more for your cell phone services in the states I guess.
1. I got a motorolla startac digital phone for free (that's a $350 value) 2. I do pay a montly fee of $20 - (the all have fees, the only thing that stinks I suppose) 3. No roaming or long distance charge for any call made to and from the East Coast (you can get the same plan for the entire usa if you want). 4. There is enough free airtime included in the monthly fee that I basically never have any charges other than the monthly fee. Additional air time is about $.10 5. Caller don't pay anything extra when they call my cell phone (it's just like a regular landline - no strange area codes, nothing like that) 6. A bunch of services come free as well, such as voice mail, caller id, text messaging, etc.
Now, the reason why you might think that digital service is more expensive, it's because it fairly new here in the us. In fact, you typically can't get digital service unless you live in very populated areas (like suburbs of big cities or most of New Jersey). The rates will go down with time - right now they are installing the infrastructure (towers, etc.) as fast as they can, but this is a very large country if you have not noticed, so it's very expensive and the consumer gets to pay (no government help like in europe).
If you want cheap cell phones, use analog (based on where you live, you may not have a choice). That's pretty much dirt cheap.
Oh, I see... So I guess the purpose of the excercice (java) is to eliminate the need for skilled developers. Please. As an end user, I am rather annoyed by the concept because as usual, the end user is the victim. As a programmer (and my language skills DOES include java, just for your information) I can't help but to laugh - no wonder my skills are so needed, if this is the kind of thinking the current comp sci grads are being put in their head by universities, all the sudden my job (that was very secured to begin with) seem to be even more secure every day.
As far your *yawn*, that's great. Please do provide url to "these programs out there" that perform as well as C. I will try them, I promise you. I just tried a program that was recommended by another java advocate. I will admit, it was veeeery close, but not quite there.
I am not obtuse, I love to be proved wrong! Do give me the link where I can get this wondrous application, and I will try it.
Once again, I can only tell what I have experienced, and I have experienced *lots* of java apps. I have also coded in java for quite some time, it is a fairly easy language no doubt about that, but aside from that I found very little redeeming values about it.
Once again, just my opinion, no need to take it too personally, the java world will not end based on it.
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OK... Yes there is a $80 difference, but from what I can tell, the pine player (if it ever comes out) is a little better too.
For one, looking at Mambo's web site it seems that their LCD display doesn't show the track name for the mp3 you're playing. The pine does. When you have a CDR with hundreds of songs on it, it would be nice to know what you're playing. I think I would pay $80 for that feature, but that's just me!
They missed quite a few themes that include the Macintosh logo. Well, at least one, this one. Not that I am asking for them to be removed, but is it really Macintosh logos they're after, or is it they don't want MacOSX look alikes? Cant' help but to wonder eventhough I am familiar with copyright laws and Mac's need to enforce it (or loose it). Could be they just didn't notice these other themes.
I appreciate you giving me credit for this "theory" - but I am unfortunately not the one that came up with it. I did find ellen boring so I had no problem with the show being cancelled but I distinctly remember quite a bit a fuzz being made about this when it happened, including interviews with Ellen DiGeneres, Michael Eisner, etc. and what transpired from these interviews and is that Disney (or at least some of its top executives) DID in fact have issues with her being openly gay on prime time TV. At the end of the day it may not have not been the only reason the show was cancelled, but it certainly did not help her keep her show...
But this is all getting a bit off topic really.
abcnews does have a pretty good record (as far as I know) but we'll see if that hold up. Disney is a powerful owner/corporation. Don't underestimate it.
It's be interesting to see if ABC news is capable of keeping it's journalistic integrity considering the obvious conflict of interest.
Keep in mind that ABC is owned by Disney and Disney has chosen to leverage it's power repeatedly (i.e. the Sitcom "Ellen" eas cancelled because she is gay on the show and Disney won't stand for that). In this case, Disney being one of the plaintiff (indirectly maybe) we'll see what happens.
Needless to say I'd feel *slightly* better if NBC or CBS flew over for the interview...
One can't help but the wonder how the pick pocket was able to get a cash advance. Did your mother in law have the pin printed on the card or something? If so, that's dumb, dumb, dumb.
@Home does use DHCP, but they always serve you the same IP. The only reason they use DHCP is that *in case* they have to change your IP (major network reconfiguration -not happened yet) they can do so painlessly.
:)
I have a dual boot machine (Linux and Win98). I am not using DHCP for Linux, it's all hard coded. Works just fine
I could just start and speculate for hours as to how his credit card number was stolen. Maybe somebody sniffed a packet and read the card. unlikely but technically possible. Maybe the random card generator. Maybe it's not an online problem at all. But there is one thing I am pretty sure of, regardless of how flawed the cookie system might be, whoever got his credit card number in all likelyhood did not get it through a cookie!!
What's being stored in cookies? Well, a session id. Or a user name. Or maybe even some personal info or preferences. But I have never ever seen any site storing the credit card number in a cookie! And I shop online an awful lot.
If the credit card number was in fact lost online, and you must blame it on someone, blame it on the stupidity of this particular user. You don't send that info online in a non-encrypted format and as a general practice you probably should not shop online at a store you don't trust (for a variety of reasons, privacy and security being only some of those reasons.
When you work for 40 so odd hours with someone, you tend to befriend them. At least I do. And without asking or sneaking around that type of information always comes up sooner or later in one form or another.
I neither want to know or care what other people make, but it so happen that I have learned that info from some people. No big deal, I just don't care. If anyone wants to know what I make, I'll tell.
I think that reason is quite simple -
I don't think a minor would be legally bound to this EULA if it were to go to court. Since you're assumed to be dumb and stupid and incapable to make decisions until you reach that magical age of 18. Until then, your parents need to sign releases for school trips, and everything else really.
I am not saying I am agreeing with any it, just that from a lawyer point of view (which I am not), this clause might be a good idea.
As a contractor in the same company:
And the list goes on...
For me the choice between being a contractor vs. a salaried employee is a no brainer. I think anyone that does a good job would find that choice easy.
I know that the question was salaried vs hourly, and that hourly is not neccessarily being a contractor. But contractors ALWAYS are hourly, so I think the comparison might illustrate what an employe might gain if they go hourly instead of salaried.
Our friends at Microsoft came up with one of those not too long ago. An "improved" optical mouse actually - since it does not require a special mouse pad/tablet unlike the competition.
No idea about Linux usuability but in theory it should work since it's a PS2 mouse.
Try selecting a currency first (top left select list) to see prices. If I recall it's about US$70
Acer-America is not doing so well, but I have some insider information about Acer in general (someone I know very well works for Acer in Taiwan) and Acer is here to stay baby! That company is kicking ass big time eventhough US sales are not really good due to the dominance of the US manufacturer.
:)
But here is the beautiful thing - even if Acer did not produce any more PC/laptops with its name on it, it's no big deal. Acer makes computers and laptops for several companies including IBM. They used to make all Texas Instrument notebook before Acer simply bought TI's notebook division. I won't even mantion the AOpen line, and they make a shitload of royalties off ASUS (Asus was created by a bunch of ex-acer engineers).
Life is beautiful over there, *unlike* some of the so-called successful American manufacturers Acer is actually making lots of money. In fact - I have a standing job offer if I want to move to Taiwan
It would be OK if microsoft bundled a FREE copy of windows with every computer. Preferable not installed, just a free CD like an AOL CD. Throw in a free Corel Linux CD in there and even a free BeOS CD and life is beautiful.
It's not that we're biggoted against Microsoft, but merely resenting that we're forced to BUY windows pre-installed.
There are 2 ways to make people follow "rules".
The first one is fear. I have no fear in using this fictitious software (does not exists yet). Legal or not there is no chance to get caught.
The other one is whether or not they feel bad cheating (I call that moral, you may have another definition). As I attempted to explain, I don't see any reason to feel bad about this particular case since I don't make any profit out of it (not like I am selling any software) and the people the license protect got their money from me already (by buying the player and the movies). Once again, it's a case by case thing - I am in no way advocating breaking licenses in general even from the big bad microsoft (I buy ALL my commercial software).
The reason the DVD specs are closed is to protect movie studios from having their movies distributed/copied illegally. Potentially also to protect the DVD player manufacturers - I don't know.
Having bought both the player AND the movie, I don't feel any moral problem/dilemna to play that movie (I paid for) on that player (I paid for) even if I have to use "underground" software to do it because my doing so is not hurting anybody's (hardware manufacturer or movie studios) financial interests.
Now, I realize it is probably illegal regardless of what I think, but that's why I am distinguising between legal and moral.
Let me give you another example that better compares to the DVD situation.
Let's say video card manufacturer XYZ puts out a brand new card, however they do not have a Linux driver (yet or ever).
So Joe Linux-geek decides to do some reverse engineering and writes a driver for Linux.
Do I feel bad using the driver? no. I bought the card. Does the manufacturer feel bad? From what I have seen so far - no, because their card are being bought and that's all they care about. This example is not really hypothetical, it's been done for pretty much every piece of computer hardware so far since (until very recently) nobody was supporting Linux.
Let me see....
I bought a DVD-encore player from SoundBlaster for a few hundred dollars. I bought DVD movies from BestBuy at $15-$30 a piece...
Now I'd like to play the DVDs on that drive using Linux, but creative does not have the software. So someone writes one by reverse engineering something else. What law am I breaking? I am playing a paid-for DVD on a paid-for player. There may be something illegal to this, but there *definetely* is nothing immoral to this. That's what it boils down to.
Now, if I used this reversed engineered code to rip DVD and resell them, that would be wrong and immoral. But that is not the case.
Or at least I am very much hoping so...
I have always had a fair amount of respect for the two (although I have to admit that I am more familiar with ESR's work than Bruce's), but this! These two obvious have some *personal* issues, but do they need to trash each other like that on slashdot? How is any of this constructive?
You two should be arguing this alone in person (or by email if that's less intimidating). Not on slashdot or any public forum...
Of course part of me still hope it's a joke. and both ESR and Bruce are having a little fun by pulling our legs... I am just having a hard time believing that the two of them could be so immature.
He could have NEVER gotten to the cron exploit if the CGI didn't let him. There is one line of code in the CGI that allowed all this to happen. The CGI does a 'rename' at some point but does not check that it was successful, and the exploit relies on the rename to fail.
Furthermore, he could not have done anything if he didn't obtain the actual CGI application from a friend. He basically analyzed the CGI, found a potential open door and exploited it.
This is in no way implying that the bug in the crond daemon is ok, and didn't have a cause in this, just merely that a better written CGI would have prevented _ANY_ of this to happen.
The CGI was not written by _ANYONE_ related to Linux, merely a third party (commercial?). So to blame this exploit on bugs in Linux or Apache is not quite right.
Are you trying to imply that gay people are paedophiles, or are more likely to be paedophiles? C'mon! Give us a break, this is the most ridiculous unfounded prejudiced biggotted accusation I have read for a long long while...
I think the meta-moderation would be uneccessary if the moderation was a little bit smarter to begin with. For instance, if you moderate a comment by marking it as "-1 Overrated" aside from adjusting the score, aren't you saying that the last person that upped the comment is a bad moderator? I think so.
So "-1 overrated" and "+1 underrated" could have 2 effects:
Voila! Both moderation and meta-moderation have been taken care off in one step!
I have no objections about anything you said - except for one:
Why should I pay for someone to call me? Why shouldn't a cellphone have its own area code? Besides USA&Canada, the whole world works that way (including other non-GSM countries like Japan).
Because if I don't pay for the airtime to receive a call, the caller will. I know you are going to say: who cares? Well, a lot of people like myself do. Some people want to be called (like business people on the road, or people that choose to have a cell phone as their only phone) and don't want the burden to be on the caller. The only case where this could be a problem is wrong number or telemarketers, but that problem is currently taken care of since the first minute is usually free of airtime (therefore free).
You don't have to agree, just stating that if they were to change this particular policy - it would piss people off (like me) just as much as it would make others happy (like you). Maybe they could have both systems in place - and I believe they are thinking about it (as of a recent article I read somewhere. Wait! Wasn't it here?)
It would be nice not to have a yearly contract, but I wouldn't have if I had actually paid for the phone (like with AT&T). And I suppose that it would be nice if there was no monthly fee, but I don't think that is a reasonable expectation or a big deal (regardless of what europe does) - no unless they drop the monthly fee for a landline. Would it be nice to have all the prices drop a bit? Sure it would. And it will. In a few years, when the company have built their infrastructure and are making pure profit - until then, it is not reasonable to expect them to do so.
Just letting you know - you need to shop around a little more for your cell phone services in the states I guess.
1. I got a motorolla startac digital phone for free (that's a $350 value)
2. I do pay a montly fee of $20 - (the all have fees, the only thing that stinks I suppose)
3. No roaming or long distance charge for any call made to and from the East Coast (you can get the same plan for the entire usa if you want).
4. There is enough free airtime included in the monthly fee that I basically never have any charges other than the monthly fee. Additional air time is about $.10
5. Caller don't pay anything extra when they call my cell phone (it's just like a regular landline - no strange area codes, nothing like that)
6. A bunch of services come free as well, such as voice mail, caller id, text messaging, etc.
Now, the reason why you might think that digital service is more expensive, it's because it fairly new here in the us. In fact, you typically can't get digital service unless you live in very populated areas (like suburbs of big cities or most of New Jersey). The rates will go down with time - right now they are installing the infrastructure (towers, etc.) as fast as they can, but this is a very large country if you have not noticed, so it's very expensive and the consumer gets to pay (no government help like in europe).
If you want cheap cell phones, use analog (based on where you live, you may not have a choice). That's pretty much dirt cheap.
Oh, I see... So I guess the purpose of the excercice (java) is to eliminate the need for skilled developers. Please. As an end user, I am rather annoyed by the concept because as usual, the end user is the victim. As a programmer (and my language skills DOES include java, just for your information) I can't help but to laugh - no wonder my skills are so needed, if this is the kind of thinking the current comp sci grads are being put in their head by universities, all the sudden my job (that was very secured to begin with) seem to be even more secure every day.
As far your *yawn*, that's great. Please do provide url to "these programs out there" that perform as well as C. I will try them, I promise you. I just tried a program that was recommended by another java advocate. I will admit, it was veeeery close, but not quite there.
I am not obtuse, I love to be proved wrong! Do give me the link where I can get this wondrous application, and I will try it.
Once again, I can only tell what I have experienced, and I have experienced *lots* of java apps. I have also coded in java for quite some time, it is a fairly easy language no doubt about that, but aside from that I found very little redeeming values about it.
Once again, just my opinion, no need to take it too personally, the java world will not end based on it.