I find it interesting how the so-called "experts" on Slashdot judge an entire Operating System by a screenshot of a window manager that incidentally is not part of said Operating System.
You could turn that around and say Linux is crap, because GNOME and KDE look too much like Windows...
AfterStep is based on Fvwm, but it is designed to emulate some of the look and feel of the NEXTSTEP(R) user interface, while adding useful, requested, and neat features. It started life under the name of Bowman, by Bo Yang, but has since moved past simple emulation and into a niche as its own valuable window manager.
Sadly, Sun owns the rights to the code, and has no interest in releasing it - I say sadly, because I suspect it would be relatively easy for someone to resurrect the apps on OS X.
Some of the GNUstep team are talking to SUN about that, apparently with some success...
Here's a shining example of the same German legal system. Enough said!!
Why should having sex be illegal? OTOH, running into a road-sign and fleeing the scene (hit and run) is a misdemeanour. And that's what got him into trouble. Having sex in public may be against your (as in "you in general") personal moral code but can only be prosecuted if there's a "third party" that notifies the police and you get caught while "doing the deed".
I do speak German, and you're absolutely right. Well, there's this proverb (sort of) that just nails it down:
Germans, of course, have no love life. They can't, since whispering "I love you" to your sweetie sounds just the same as telling her that you wish to eviscerate her corpse and place the head on a spear in the front yard as a warning to others.
The difference is that no one is going to sue Open Source projects and one of their main arguments is "Hey, you can't sue us because we're innovative!"...
Read for yourself to decide whether this patent either is not original work or is blatantly obvious to the most casual observer.
... since when did Microsoft ever actually create anything innovative, creative or original in-house? No matter how far I think back in time, all products coming out of Redmond were blatant rip-offs...
Why is making the file fit a floppy that important? They are pretty much obsolete at this point.
Not so.
There are, after all, machines without or with a broken CD drive. I actually do have a couple of 1U servers without one, and use the following method:
The floppies will let you boot into the install "manager" that will give you the option to install FreeBSD (not sure about the other various *BSD versions) from a _different_ machine's CD drive.
You are right, Google doesn't - but maybe, he was referring to the "I'm feeling lucky" button, which, in case of M$' search engine will crash your machine 3 times out of 5? Just a thought...
Why then has Linux grown so much popular in the corporate world? Is it because of GPL or because Linux is superior to these other alternatives?
Because the developers on both sides come from a different "corner".
While the various *BSDs were originally develop'd at Universities, the intention was learning how to do it, and how to do it right -- a more academical approach.
On the other hand, Linux was and is develop'd with a "get the word out" attitude. That is not to say it wasn't and isn't done right, though, of course.
Yes, I thought about wget while I wrote my answer - but left it out, simply because _for John Doe_ wget is too complicated. John Doe wants a clickety-click-drag-n-drop client, like a web browser or something like WS-FTP. Granted, ncftp doesn't fall into that category either, but even John Doe can use a simple ftp client.
If it starts loading it usually finishes, and I haven't run into any corruption problems.
You may (just may) run into a routing or timeout problem, in which case the download will stop and you are forced to do the entire download again. Using the right client, eg. ncftp, you can continue downloading partially downloaded files. An option, HTTP doesn't offer.
With respect to the original question, I would set-up a box offering both, HTTP and FTP access.
Unfortunately with Microsoft's past history it goes more like, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, than they fight you, than you roll over or are obliterated.
Since this is Microsoft we are talking about, it would go more like:
first they ignore you,
then they laugh at you
then they fight you
then they buy you out
Doesn't apply to OOS very well, though - which probably is scaring the sh*t out of them. How do you "fight" what you cannot buy?
HOW long has Mozilla had tabbed browsing and ad-suppression? *When* might IE?
It doesn't matter, because whenever IE WILL have tabbed browsing, Microsoft will announce it as their newly discovered revolutionary way of browsing the web - just like they did when Windows came out, regardless that Apply and DRi had "windows" for years before that...
Additionally, GTK, QT, and GNUstep are all varying degrees of X-independent... QT has QT embedded as well as QT for Windows and MacOS. GTK is available for Windows (though, why?), but GNUstep has a raw xlib backend, a postscript backend (eg ghostscript + XWindows), or a Windows backend.
True, but - you still need to install GTK and Qt on your MacOSX, while GNUstep applications can (or say: should - as long as you don't use GNUstep extesions) run "out of the box" - as most prominently demonstrated by GNUMail.
Windows, as usual, is a different story entirely....
With an Gorm/IB like tool it will be best way to develop GUI on GNUstep/*nix GNUstep/Windows and MacOSX.
It seems to be the way to go if you (in general) want to develop applications that run basically wherever GNUstep runs on, without having to worry about the layout of your GUI, however...
I hope MacOSX developpers will use it.
... why the fsck would they care? They have Interface- and ProjectBuilder that undeniably are much more mature compared to Gorm and ProjectCenter (and now Renaissance). And I don't think most really _are_ interested in porting their software to Windows or any of the various UNICES, GNUstep runs on. A few, maybe, but most certainly not.
But Renaissance most certainly will help GNUstep to "get the word out" - and it might even help to get GNUstep a little (compared to GNOME and KDE) of much deserved (again, compared to GNOME and KDE) "hype" - as applications do not require a running X server, like ported GTK/Qt applications do.
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I find it interesting how the so-called "experts" on Slashdot judge an entire Operating System by a screenshot of a window manager that incidentally is not part of said Operating System.
You could turn that around and say Linux is crap, because GNOME and KDE look too much like Windows...
Sheesh, people, get your facts straight.
Actually, more like a fork of bowman, which in turn was a fork of fvwm.
See this page:
AfterStep is based on Fvwm, but it is designed to emulate some of the look and feel of the NEXTSTEP(R) user interface, while adding useful, requested, and neat features. It started life under the name of Bowman, by Bo Yang, but has since moved past simple emulation and into a niche as its own valuable window manager.
Some of the GNUstep team are talking to SUN about that, apparently with some success ...
Why should having sex be illegal?
OTOH, running into a road-sign and fleeing the scene (hit and run) is a misdemeanour. And that's what got him into trouble.
Having sex in public may be against your (as in "you in general") personal moral code but can only be prosecuted if there's a "third party" that notifies the police and you get caught while "doing the deed".
I do speak German, and you're absolutely right. Well, there's this proverb (sort of) that just nails it down:
The difference is that no one is going to sue Open Source projects and one of their main arguments is "Hey, you can't sue us because we're innovative!" ...
... since when did Microsoft ever actually create anything innovative, creative or original in-house? No matter how far I think back in time, all products coming out of Redmond were blatant rip-offs...
So why change now?
Not so.
There are, after all, machines without or with a broken CD drive. I actually do have a couple of 1U servers without one, and use the following method:
The floppies will let you boot into the install "manager" that will give you the option to install FreeBSD (not sure about the other various *BSD versions) from a _different_ machine's CD drive.
You are right, Google doesn't - but maybe, he was referring to the "I'm feeling lucky" button, which, in case of M$' search engine will crash your machine 3 times out of 5?
Just a thought...
Because the developers on both sides come from a different "corner".
While the various *BSDs were originally develop'd at Universities, the intention was learning how to do it, and how to do it right -- a more academical approach.
On the other hand, Linux was and is develop'd with a "get the word out" attitude. That is not to say it wasn't and isn't done right, though, of course.
SuSE (Software Und SystemEntwicklung) is German.
Yes, I thought about wget while I wrote my answer - but left it out, simply because _for John Doe_ wget is too complicated. John Doe wants a clickety-click-drag-n-drop client, like a web browser or something like WS-FTP. Granted, ncftp doesn't fall into that category either, but even John Doe can use a simple ftp client.
You may (just may) run into a routing or timeout problem, in which case the download will stop and you are forced to do the entire download again. Using the right client, eg. ncftp, you can continue downloading partially downloaded files. An option, HTTP doesn't offer.
With respect to the original question, I would set-up a box offering both, HTTP and FTP access.
The oldest was called Nexus, also simply known as WorldWideWeb.app by Tim Berners-Lee. But OmniWeb is probably the oldest that survived.
... which will be like, uhm, dunno, never?
There's not even ONE browser available TODAY, that FULLY implements HTML4 or CSS2 - regardless that their respective developers say otherwise.
Safari's been around since at least 1995 - see here
SCNR...
The general term would be monkeys, which includes apes (Simidae), baboons (Cynocephalus), and lemurs (Lemuridae).
Since this is Microsoft we are talking about, it would go more like:
Doesn't apply to OOS very well, though - which probably is scaring the sh*t out of them. How do you "fight" what you cannot buy?
It doesn't matter, because whenever IE WILL have tabbed browsing, Microsoft will announce it as their newly discovered revolutionary way of browsing the web - just like they did when Windows came out, regardless that Apply and DRi had "windows" for years before that...
... GNUstep would be THE way to go.
True, but - you still need to install GTK and Qt on your MacOSX, while GNUstep applications can (or say: should - as long as you don't use GNUstep extesions) run "out of the box" - as most prominently demonstrated by GNUMail.
Windows, as usual, is a different story entirely....
Not every software needs to be ./configure'd ;-)
User Interfaces are the final frontier of program portability.Take a look at THE.
It seems to be the way to go if you (in general) want to develop applications that run basically wherever GNUstep runs on, without having to worry about the layout of your GUI, however...
I hope MacOSX developpers will use it.... why the fsck would they care? They have Interface- and ProjectBuilder that undeniably are much more mature compared to Gorm and ProjectCenter (and now Renaissance). And I don't think most really _are_ interested in porting their software to Windows or any of the various UNICES, GNUstep runs on. A few, maybe, but most certainly not.
But Renaissance most certainly will help GNUstep to "get the word out" - and it might even help to get GNUstep a little (compared to GNOME and KDE) of much deserved (again, compared to GNOME and KDE) "hype" - as applications do not require a running X server, like ported GTK/Qt applications do.
... is here and here.
For your GUI, take a look at GNUstep. It supports Linux, the BSDs, Solaris and Windows and is (pretty much) compatible with Cocoa.
For your 3D graphic stuff, take a look at the GNU 3DKit.