Maybe the next time Bashdork reports the new evil IE vulnerability that allows my desktop wallpaper to be changed by a hacker in Romania I'll se a quote like this one. "To quote [whomever], head of [whatever] at Microsoft, it's just a crash".
There's no such thing as "SQL Server 97". There's SQL Server 6.5, 7.0 and 2000. Perhaps he's referring to 7.0? Well perhaps he should have referred to the newest version instead.
Not that I'd be interested in a comparison between MySQL and SQL Server (midrange C/S replacement for Access/FoxPro - OK. Enterprise RDBMS? No)... but still.
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Of course said page contains ads for something else or is just a redirect/popup trap.
Google really needs to use their mad skillz to counteract this. Their algorithm is being screwed by the same type of people who brought us BonziBuddy and all that other worthless shit on the web.
They came up with the best search engine - I'm sure they can stay on top. But I wonder if they've even noticed, given the massive amount of data they must deal with.
Obviously "dumpster_dave" has not had his job outsourced to India and therefore has no time to double-check that his submitted article is a dupe. No time to keep on top of the Slashdot happenins of three days ago. I mean, really. Three days is an eternity! Heck, I had forgotten about this jewel and for one am grateful to our indian coding overlords to have resubmitted it. Again. And of course thanks go out to timothy, who as an editor shouldn't bother with such petty things as dupes.
So all you bitchy unemployed ones with time to spare and a broadband connection at home subsidized with your wife's salary should be ashamed. Shame on you I say!
Cut the guy some slack. He's probably coding PHP or something.
If you want to get an idea on just how bad it is over there in terms of filtering, check out this article about a 2002 study by the Hardvard Law. There are about 19,000 sites listed there. Pretty much anything that has to do with the US and other western governments, "smut", anything even remotely related to Taiwan and so on.
Write C for five years. Then write C++ for another five with a compiler that does not support generics/templates. No STL, no BOOST, no ATL/WTL, no nothing. Then switch to a compiler that supports them and drool in amazement at how much easier writing code suddenly becomes.
That's not "much ado about nothing", it's just that you don't know what you're talking about.
C# and Java are getting generics because you don't want to spend three days inheriting from DictionaryBase or whatever to crate yet another strongly-typed collection for objects of type 'X'. Amaze at how easier life has become.
Next time I suggest you do some reading on the topic at hand before posting (or post a sensible question instead of a challenge).
It is extremely easy if you're IBM and you're bringing 100-200 indians per month on L-1 visas (work here, get paid like you're still back there) to work on the stuff American companies have ostensibly outsourced to IBM. Not IBM India mind you, IBM. Makes for a great blurb in the trade rags.
Trust me, I've seen it. Office buildings floors full of indian testers, tech writers and developers in downtown BigCity USA, working for a pittance and going "home" to sleep in subsidized apartment buildings.
I'm not making a moral judgement as to whether this is right or wrong, I'm just saying it's not complicated or otherwise impossible to bring people in like that. In fact, since the whole H1-B backslash more and more companies are using the L-1 to do this. They get the best of both worlds: Direct contact with the workforce and extremely cheap labor. This is called "Onshore outsorcing" or something like that.
they donate a CD with Office that costs them $0.05, and can try to write off $300
Maybe you should revisit your Eco101 textbooks here. I mean, it doesn't get any more ridiculous than this.
If you like, I'll give you $1000 worth of software - it's easy because I can arbitrarily set the "value" of a trivial chunk of code at $1000 and be no different that what Microsoft is doing here.
Perhaps you should stop buying consumer goods. Or do you also complain when you buy a shirt at JCPenney for $30 that actually cost $2.5 to make in some sweatshop in Thailand?
Whatever price is set on a consumer good is exactly what the market will bear. No more and no less. You are obviously not representative of said market, so stop pretending that you are in order to give your arguments an air of informed validity.
The people who run this web site are not journalists by any stretch of the imagination. They never were, and they never will be. The only one to come remotely close to that description was Katz, but he was so far gone to the left that it didn't matter.
I agree with what you're saying, but I cringe whenever someone accuses them of "shoddy journalism" - that's an insult to real journalists everywhere. Instead, they should be criticized for running a web site that unfortunately commands the attention of millions of people all over the world and knowingly appending their snippy comments to stories submitted by other people in order to sway the opinion of said millions (ok, maybe thousands).
Being a "perl hacker" (whatever the hell that means) and hitting the jackpot by accident does not make you a journalist anymore thatn learning to hack a weird scripting language makes you a professional software developer.
Java popularized camel case. C# promotes pascal case. C is traditionally lower case with defines and macros normally being all uppercase. C++ is generally a mix of lower and pascal case with the odd UPPERCASE inherited from C, although that varies greatly from developer to developer.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what style (because that's what this is, style) as long as you are consistent and I can understand your code by just looking at it.
As to the usefulness of case sensitivity... well, I'd rather do this:
At some point they realized that it would be a benefit to Perl and Windows if they merged the distributions and gave Windows users a single place to go to get Perl with an installer and the most common packages installed.
Right, and most of the time those "common packages" are not what I happen to need. Most of the time they're overkill. Unlike the Python distribution. Like I said.
This has been nothing but beneficial, as most IT managers of Windows shops feel better installing something with a company name attached to it, and an installer.
Looks like you missed my point. Instead of crying "FUD" perhaps you should have read the post more carefully.
it's a shame that you imply that they're involved in some murky shadow plot.
It's a shame you think I'm somehow claiming that's the case. FUD much?
What is wrong with Activestate? Activestate is Perl's "Win32 specific distributition". Don't really see the difference.
There's nothing wrong with ActiveState, except that they lag behind the main *nix releases and are generally slow to incorporate fixes. It also ships with a bunch of stuff you might not necessarily want. For example, the COM extensions. The fact that I'm running in Windows doesn't necessarily mean I want to use COM. It also takes way too long to install, considering what it is.
The Win32 Python distribution on the other hand is pretty much sync'ed with the primary *nix point releases, and in my experience as a whole the folks that write Python are much more receptive to bug reports for the Windows distribution that the Perl people (well, they are not involved with the Win32 port at all). Just try to ask a question about ASPerl on one of the Perl mailing lists or newsgroups. Not a good experience. I'd dare say the Perl community would rather ActiveState not publish ASPerl at all. The attitude from the Python camp is quite different.
I love Python, though I primarily use it in Win32 environments (although it helps when I use BSD; shell glue is better done in Python, IMO). I've used it for close to four years now, and I suppose I consider myself relatively good at it. The best argument I've ever come up with as to why Python is better for web development than Perl: Zope/Plone vs. Bugzilla/SlashCode. I know they're different products, that's not the point. But just spend a few weeks examining both codebases. I can bet you good money that non-expert developers will understand a Python-based application faster than they will a Perl one.
I guess Perl is just traditionally what you do these things with. It's not necessarily better. Perl also doesn't support Windows directly like Python does - if you want Perl in Win32 you pretty much have to go with ActiveState whereas Python.org has a Win32 specific distribution. Then again, it's difficult to compete against CPAN's sheer size.
But anyway, it doesn't matter. We use what we want/like and it's cool that we have choices.
However, over the past year or so I've also been looking at Ruby. Not to get into a religious argument (as you say) over which language is better, but if you like Python you should take a look at Ruby. If you're a Windows user there's an installer available, which comes with a full book (in CHM format) that can get you running in no time if you already know Python. As Perl and Python, Ruby has extensions and so on. I do like the OO features in Ruby a bit better than Python.
And least but not least, there's Lua. I wouldn't use Lua the same way I use Python, but Lua is a joy to embed, much more so than Python.
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You mistyped raise pants in Cupertino and soil eyebrows in Redmond.
Maybe the next time Bashdork reports the new evil IE vulnerability that allows my desktop wallpaper to be changed by a hacker in Romania I'll se a quote like this one. "To quote [whomever], head of [whatever] at Microsoft, it's just a crash".
I'm sure.
Not that I'd be interested in a comparison between MySQL and SQL Server (midrange C/S replacement for Access/FoxPro - OK. Enterprise RDBMS? No)... but still.
I hate these people, I kid you not.
are URLs that look like this:
Of course said page contains ads for something else or is just a redirect/popup trap.
Google really needs to use their mad skillz to counteract this. Their algorithm is being screwed by the same type of people who brought us BonziBuddy and all that other worthless shit on the web.
They came up with the best search engine - I'm sure they can stay on top. But I wonder if they've even noticed, given the massive amount of data they must deal with.
So all you bitchy unemployed ones with time to spare and a broadband connection at home subsidized with your wife's salary should be ashamed. Shame on you I say!
Cut the guy some slack. He's probably coding PHP or something.
If you want to get an idea on just how bad it is over there in terms of filtering, check out this article about a 2002 study by the Hardvard Law. There are about 19,000 sites listed there. Pretty much anything that has to do with the US and other western governments, "smut", anything even remotely related to Taiwan and so on.
Does it worry you that you know this?
What, you want advise from OSDN?
That's not "much ado about nothing", it's just that you don't know what you're talking about.
C# and Java are getting generics because you don't want to spend three days inheriting from DictionaryBase or whatever to crate yet another strongly-typed collection for objects of type 'X'. Amaze at how easier life has become.
Next time I suggest you do some reading on the topic at hand before posting (or post a sensible question instead of a challenge).
Trust me, I've seen it. Office buildings floors full of indian testers, tech writers and developers in downtown BigCity USA, working for a pittance and going "home" to sleep in subsidized apartment buildings.
I'm not making a moral judgement as to whether this is right or wrong, I'm just saying it's not complicated or otherwise impossible to bring people in like that. In fact, since the whole H1-B backslash more and more companies are using the L-1 to do this. They get the best of both worlds: Direct contact with the workforce and extremely cheap labor. This is called "Onshore outsorcing" or something like that.
Maybe you should revisit your Eco101 textbooks here. I mean, it doesn't get any more ridiculous than this.
If you like, I'll give you $1000 worth of software - it's easy because I can arbitrarily set the "value" of a trivial chunk of code at $1000 and be no different that what Microsoft is doing here.
Perhaps you should stop buying consumer goods. Or do you also complain when you buy a shirt at JCPenney for $30 that actually cost $2.5 to make in some sweatshop in Thailand?
Whatever price is set on a consumer good is exactly what the market will bear. No more and no less. You are obviously not representative of said market, so stop pretending that you are in order to give your arguments an air of informed validity.
The people who run this web site are not journalists by any stretch of the imagination. They never were, and they never will be. The only one to come remotely close to that description was Katz, but he was so far gone to the left that it didn't matter.
I agree with what you're saying, but I cringe whenever someone accuses them of "shoddy journalism" - that's an insult to real journalists everywhere. Instead, they should be criticized for running a web site that unfortunately commands the attention of millions of people all over the world and knowingly appending their snippy comments to stories submitted by other people in order to sway the opinion of said millions (ok, maybe thousands).
Being a "perl hacker" (whatever the hell that means) and hitting the jackpot by accident does not make you a journalist anymore thatn learning to hack a weird scripting language makes you a professional software developer.
Let me guess - 'Alizarin Erythrosin' is Cupertinus Elvish for 'Mac User', right?
Did you clean it before you gave it away?
*thump*
i've fallen and i can't get up
sigh
This is camel case: objectClass
This is pascal case: ObjectClass
Java popularized camel case. C# promotes pascal case. C is traditionally lower case with defines and macros normally being all uppercase. C++ is generally a mix of lower and pascal case with the odd UPPERCASE inherited from C, although that varies greatly from developer to developer.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what style (because that's what this is, style) as long as you are consistent and I can understand your code by just looking at it.
As to the usefulness of case sensitivity... well, I'd rather do this:
than this:
But that's just me.
If your UID wasn't so low I'd be inclined to warmly welcome you to Slashdot.
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Yeah, no shit. Aren't rich people great!?
Right.
At some point they realized that it would be a benefit to Perl and Windows if they merged the distributions and gave Windows users a single place to go to get Perl with an installer and the most common packages installed.
Right, and most of the time those "common packages" are not what I happen to need. Most of the time they're overkill. Unlike the Python distribution. Like I said.
This has been nothing but beneficial, as most IT managers of Windows shops feel better installing something with a company name attached to it, and an installer.
Looks like you missed my point. Instead of crying "FUD" perhaps you should have read the post more carefully.
it's a shame that you imply that they're involved in some murky shadow plot.
It's a shame you think I'm somehow claiming that's the case. FUD much?
There's nothing wrong with ActiveState, except that they lag behind the main *nix releases and are generally slow to incorporate fixes. It also ships with a bunch of stuff you might not necessarily want. For example, the COM extensions. The fact that I'm running in Windows doesn't necessarily mean I want to use COM. It also takes way too long to install, considering what it is.
The Win32 Python distribution on the other hand is pretty much sync'ed with the primary *nix point releases, and in my experience as a whole the folks that write Python are much more receptive to bug reports for the Windows distribution that the Perl people (well, they are not involved with the Win32 port at all). Just try to ask a question about ASPerl on one of the Perl mailing lists or newsgroups. Not a good experience. I'd dare say the Perl community would rather ActiveState not publish ASPerl at all. The attitude from the Python camp is quite different.
Just my opinion of course.
I guess Perl is just traditionally what you do these things with. It's not necessarily better. Perl also doesn't support Windows directly like Python does - if you want Perl in Win32 you pretty much have to go with ActiveState whereas Python.org has a Win32 specific distribution. Then again, it's difficult to compete against CPAN's sheer size.
But anyway, it doesn't matter. We use what we want/like and it's cool that we have choices.
However, over the past year or so I've also been looking at Ruby. Not to get into a religious argument (as you say) over which language is better, but if you like Python you should take a look at Ruby. If you're a Windows user there's an installer available, which comes with a full book (in CHM format) that can get you running in no time if you already know Python. As Perl and Python, Ruby has extensions and so on. I do like the OO features in Ruby a bit better than Python.
And least but not least, there's Lua. I wouldn't use Lua the same way I use Python, but Lua is a joy to embed, much more so than Python.
Ahhh, language wars. Cheers =)