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Cell Phone Is The Most Hated Invention

Romeo Elias Cabrera writes "The most hated invention in America -although also one of the most used- is the cell phone, according a recent survey. The Lemelson-MIT Invention Index, an annual survey by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, found that among adults asked what invention they hate most but can't live without, 30 percent said the cell phone."

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  1. What about... by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cell Phone Is The Most Hated Invention

    My, how short our collective memories are. Have we already forgotten about astroturf? How about the rubber-chicken-with-the-pully-in-the-middle? Michael Jackson's nose? Umkay?

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    1. Re:What about... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 5, Informative

      The survey was asking about inventions that the respondants could not live without. I think that all the things you listed clearly fall into the category of being items everyone can live without.

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    2. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself.

    3. Re:What about... by Sebastopol · · Score: 2, Funny

      or the talking bass fish?

      the dancing santa?

      or anything build around the dancing santa skeleton?

      the dancing baby?

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    4. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How can you live without a chicken-with-a-pully-in-the-middle? How else could I get to work?

    5. Re:What about... by dustin_royer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one mentioned Microsoft Office. Most people who use it hate it, but almost no one in the corporate world can live without it. it's the classic situation of "I use it because I have to."

    6. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny


      Even more so, in a more situation more slashdot readers are familiar with - we all hate fucking your mom, but where else are you going to find a $3 cum-gurgling whore? Especially one that you can punch in the face before, during, and after fucking her?

    7. Re:What about... by rolocroz · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:What about... by secolactico · · Score: 2, Interesting

      eh? Hate? I can't say that I love MS Office. Like you say, "I use it because I have to" but I don't like it any less that I would any other Office Suite. I can honestly say that none pretty much all my co-workers feel the same way.

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    9. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're right. I'm a real dipshit. I offer my deepest apology, and promise to turn off my computer and destroy it when I'm done with this comment.

      I am the lowest form of life, and deserve to die a horrible, painful death at the hands of midgets wielding sporks.

    10. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TY, AC. Any joke is 90% timing, and you nailed it. LMBO.

    11. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Easy, dig up his grandmother and save your $3 for another night.

    12. Re:What about... by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      My, how short our collective memories are...

      I totally agree. I mean, how could you forget all of - shit, hold on real quick. Call coming in..

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    13. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The home video camera is by far the most annoying invention ever, and clearly some people can't live without it. Nothings worse than going to some amusement park and theres a whole group of assholes filming their kids as if anyone ever wants to watch that. Its always "come on Joey, say something for the camera!"

    14. Re:What about... by zensufi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmmm.... I wonder why they hate it so much. It's probably not the irritation at hearing people speak on them in restaurants and such. People seem to feel like they are now tied to their cellphones. They choose to keep the phone on and with them. They choose the type of job and family life that ties them to the phone. They'd be tied to the job/family without the phone, but it gives them more flexibility. A person might be on call at all hours, but couldn't it be that without cell phones two people would do the job of the one person on call, one of the two people always at the office?

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    15. Re:What about... by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      Don't hate the bass fish. Bass fish got soule.

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    16. Re:What about... by gmack · · Score: 1, Insightful

      CHOOSE!?

      As a sysadmin I am required to keep my cell phone on at all times. My cell phone is a leash and theres not a thing I can do about it.

    17. Re:What about... by atheken · · Score: 1

      although I dislike SCO as much as the next poster, please don't post homophobic racial slurs here.

    18. Re:What about... by Patik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the same vein, Internet Explorer. Especially for web developers who understand how bad it is, yet still have to adhere to its "standards".

    19. Re:What about... by CaptainAmerica1941 · · Score: 2, Funny

      True, but your using it doesn't annoy everyone within a 10 foot radius.

    20. Re:What about... by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, so your employer gives you money in exchange for your agreeing to be on call.

      What's the problem? Did they put a gun to your head? Do they not pay you?

      If I were a sysadmin, I'd be delighted to have my employer pay for a cell phone on which they could call me any time. I'd charge them about 20% of my annual pre-phone salary for the privilege, for additional access to my time and attention. Or I'd find somewhere else to work.

      Saying "I hate my phone, but I can't live without it" is passive aggressive cowardice. Your phone is a tool. It has a power button. It can be used properly, or misused. People who hate tools are silly people.

      People who ARE tools, now that's a different issue entirely...

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    21. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      although I dislike gays as much as the next nigger, please don't post politically correct bullshit here.

    22. Re:What about... by skzbass · · Score: 0

      I agree. You dont really need 250bagillinon bigabytes to type a letter. Do you? Lets revolt NOTEPAD!

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    23. Re:What about... by krusadr · · Score: 2, Funny

      People who ARE tools, now that's a different issue entirely...

      Oh come on people, you must stop bringing SCO into every discussion. Sick minds!

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    24. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else could I get to work?

      Sorry, it should've read "How else could I get laid?"

    25. Re:What about... by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      Just hope you never write anything bigger than 32k.

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    26. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't remember where this is from, but anyway:
      1: "Do you prefer grass or astroturf"
      2: "I don't know, I've never tried to smoke astroturf"

      Heh.

    27. Re:What about... by ron_lima · · Score: 1

      Microsoft office is something that you pay a lot of bucks to use solely 5% of it. Usually, the most used software is Microsoft Word. Only few people really use the full power of the software.
      I really hate Microsoft Office. The software I use from this awful package is Word that uses to crash all the time when you are using the graphical tools that comes with it. I don't see how this can be a productive software because more than once I have lost ALL of my work because some crazy crash of it and I had to start again from scratch. Even that backup option do not work well when it crashes. More than once the files became corrupted...

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    28. Re:What about... by VdG · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's vital that employers pay for our time. Otherwise they just take it for granted and will abuse us; maybe not deliberately, but when you've been called two or three times a night, every night for a month it doesn't really matter. (I was the only UNIX admin at one place just after a complete migration from IBM MVS systems, courtesy of every other bastard leaving for greener pastures.)

      I used to hate my 'phone (landline) but the cell-phone - and a proper, paid on-call rota - is wonderful. When I'm on-call, I am no-longer tied to the house. When I'm not on-call I can just turn the thing off. The stress-relief is immense.

    29. Re:What about... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "No one mentioned Microsoft Office. Most people who use it hate it, but almost no one in the corporate world can live without it. it's the classic situation of "I use it because I have to.""

      Interestingly, people tend to phrase their annoyance with Microsoft Office in the way "Computers annoy and frustrate me", without realising that it's just one set of programs which are that bad...

      Watch Jeremy Clarkson smashing up a laptop screen in response to a dislike of Clippy to see how this works...

    30. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That limit is removed in NT5 and 5.1.

    31. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah it's the bad true :( often we had to use something not because we love it but because we haven't the choice :((


      dialogue

    32. Re:What about... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > I can honestly say that none pretty much all my co-workers

      What? You can't honestly say that "none pretty much all" anything is anything.

    33. Re:What about... by rotor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, well... .I have a cell phone that I love having, but I hate cell phones in general - because as we all know, "everyone else is an idiot." People use them in situations where they shouldn't (I'll never forgive the idiot who left their phone on WITH THE RINGER TURNED ON during Return of The King!)

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    34. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I hate liberals. If you are a liberal, do not reply.

      OK.

    35. Re:What about... by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      Saying that most people hate it seems to be going overboard. Maybe most linux users hate it. I am pretty sure most other people could really care less, they just want something that works. Although bashing MS is always a good way to get modded up around here

    36. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expounding on your personal fantasies will get you nowhere unless you happen to be at the club, you know that.

    37. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not so bad... After my mother passed away, it was kind of nice to hear her voice again and see her smile and all...

    38. Re:What about... by olethrosdc · · Score: 1

      In what way is Microsoft Office an invention? What is new/original/inventive about it?

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    39. Re:What about... by Tassach · · Score: 1
      It's vital that employers pay for our time. Otherwise they just take it for granted and will abuse us
      Exactly. That's something my last boss couldn't get through his head. He would give me major attitude if I had the audacity to leave on time. He worked 80 hours a week and couldn't understand why I didn't want to. Well, it might have been that my base salary was about half of his, and that unlike him, I didn't have any equity in the company. Sorry, but I'm not going to bust my ass to make you rich when you're not willing to guarantee that I'll get my fair share of the profits. And don't even get me started on how considerate it is to buy a brand new Porche 911 when you employees haven't even received a cost-of-living adjustment in two years. Or of putting your wife and brother on the payroll while refusing to even consider anyone else's spouse for a position for which they are qualified.
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    40. Re:What about... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yep. Everybody on Earth except you is an idiot, and should not be allowed to do anything you don't want them to.

      What title would you prefer, master?

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    41. Re:What about... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1

      Dred Lord.

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    42. Re:What about... by ACPosterChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or, if you were out of school, $25-$100K in debt, no support network, and trouble finding a job in this market, you'd take whatever salary and hours and leashes they'd give you so that you could eat and not have to declare bankruptcy. Having the motivation to look for a job in that situation would be nice; but I know that personally, for years 2 and 3 after I graduated (year 2 being when I had to start paying school loans), if I would have had to move to change jobs I wouldn't have been able to pay most of my bills for 3-4 months (because of needing security deposit for renting, moving expenses, etc.). It sounds like to me that you're used to being lucky enough to be in a better position than most. Or, maybe I'm unlucky enough be in a worse position than most ;)

    43. Re:What about... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I feel you. I'm unemployed. BS Aerospace engineering, no job. It's tough out there.

      However, when I accept a job, it behooves me to discuss what my responsibilities will be, and negotiate for a commensurate salary. It does me no good to cry about how poorly my boss treats me, because I explicitly allow him to treat me however he does.

      It wouldn't be the first time I've given notice on a job because I was dissatisfied with my situation.

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    44. Re:What about... by VdG · · Score: 1

      Union! Union! Union!

  2. Further down... by MarsCtrl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Second on the list: "Marriage"

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    1. Re:Further down... by ewhenn · · Score: 1

      That's not an invention, that's a curse!

    2. Re:Further down... by vpscolo · · Score: 1

      3rd Divorce, definitly one of the most expensive inventions

      Rus

    3. Re:Further down... by caluml · · Score: 5, Funny

      Marriage is a wonderful institution - but who wants to live in an instition? Groucho Marx

    4. Re:Further down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe they added the qualifier "can't live without", which pretty much disqualifies marriage.

    5. Re:Further down... by Feztaa · · Score: 2, Funny

      The shortest sentence in the English language is "I am", the longest sentence is "I do" ;)

  3. Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What other invention can disrupt virtually any event, almost always at the worst time? (Besides CmdrTaco bringing out nude Natalie Portman pictures...)

    Speaking of which, I welcome our new Annoying Cellphone Overlords.

    1. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


      What other invention can disrupt virtually any event, almost always at the worst time?

      Taco Bell + my asshole. I emptied a theater during Return of the King's opening night.

    2. Re:Well duh... by vpscolo · · Score: 1

      Crying babies and mother-in-laws :)

      Rus

    3. Re:Well duh... by minion · · Score: 5, Funny

      What other invention can disrupt virtually any event, almost always at the worst time? (Besides CmdrTaco bringing out nude Natalie Portman pictures...)

      There is never a "worst time" for nude Natalie Portman pictures.

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    4. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that. Anytime is a good time.

    5. Re:Well duh... by Condor7 · · Score: 3, Funny



      There is never a "worst time" for nude Natalie Portman pictures.

      I was just about to score with Natalie Portman, when she found my stash of nude Natalie Portman pictures......

    6. Re:Well duh... by Geek+of+Tech · · Score: 5, Funny
      >> What other invention can disrupt virtually any event, almost always at the worst time? (Besides CmdrTaco bringing out nude Natalie Portman pictures...)

      That's simple. Natalie Portman bringing out nude pictures of CmdrTaco...

      (Just kiddin' CmdrTaco!)

      Oh, am I the only one who is still waiting on the next edition of "Geeks in Space"?

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    7. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe portman rocks your world but I find her bland.
      Of course my friend had a theory when the pix of that big eyed girl from Earth2 came out that while geeks are a lonely, horny bunch, we also keep our eyes on the prize and most of us are waiting for 7 of 9's career to take its expected swan dive and she poses for the bunny to get more 'exposure'
      Of course plyaboy will fsck that up just like they artsy-fartsied the ones with Buffy.

      todd

    8. Re:Well duh... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What other invention can disrupt virtually any event, almost always at the worst time?"

      It's not always at the worst time. Sometimes it is at the best time. I was at a dinner at church and we were being led in prayer before we ate, so the room was completely quiet except for the pastor. Just as the pastor said "Lord, help us to hear your call," his cell phone rang. It was the funniest shit that's happened at church in a while. Perfect timing...

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    9. Re:Well duh... by Larry+David · · Score: 3, Informative

      I love the way that was modded up 'Insightful.'

      Actually, I really like Natalie Portman, but when I saw those (real) topless pics of her.. man, she's just normal, nothing going on there.

      Check it out.. pictures 1, 3, 4, and the first and second ones on the second row are real. All of rest are fake or clothed.

    10. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about CmdrTaco bringing out nude Natalie Portman pics on his color cellphone?

    11. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "It was the funniest shit that's happened at church in a while."

      Shit? Uh, this was a prayer meeting for the Church of Dirty Sailors, right?

    12. Re:Well duh... by Jaysyn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Well I expect this to be one of the most moderated posts, ever.

      Jaysyn

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    13. Re:Well duh... by FattMattP · · Score: 1
      What other invention can disrupt virtually any event, almost always at the worst time?
      Microsoft Windows? Just speaking from my own experience here.
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    14. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, children are *far* more annoying than cell phones, by a very wide margin. It'd be great if a theater would run special showings of movies that did not allow children in the theater.

      Same with restaurants. Nothing more grating than hearing a child cry or whine. Cell phones are nothing compared to that, even with obnoxious ringtones.

    15. Re:Well duh... by mibus · · Score: 1

      There is never a "worst time" for nude Natalie Portman pictures.

      Sure there is. It's when your Girlfriend/Wife/Mother walks in the room...

    16. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, an infant crying ain't too bad, it's the "spoild brats" throwing a fit that get on my nerves. Or, at least it used to. Once you have brats of your own, you are at a relief to hear someone elses kids acting up instead of yours.

    17. Re:Well duh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny
      A similarly humorous event:

      Easter Sunday. Southern Baptist church in a small town in the American Midwest. Quiet, reverent, and intent on the pastor's words.

      Goth chick who'd been dragged to church by her normal looking dad gets a call. Answers it. On the third row. In a conservative church on Easter Sunday.

      Dad smacks the girl on the back of the head, grabs the phone, and breaks it in half - then silently turns back to the pastor to hear the rest of the sermon as if nothing had happened.

      Small church breaks out in spontaneous applause and everyone leaves in a good mood, with one exception.

      I wanted to shake that guy's hand.

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    18. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was with you on this, but . . . he stopped at smacking her in the head? She got off easy. Spare the rod and spoil the cellphone-using goth hussy, I always say.

    19. Re:Well duh... by mhesseltine · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Oh, am I the only one who is still waiting on the next edition of "Geeks in Space"?

      If you have to ask, then "Yes"

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    20. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, Natalie is very forgettable in person. First half dozen times I saw her I definitely didn't recognize her, and on top of that she is *very* short. I suggest an infatuation with the girl next door, she is just as good looking and you might even have a chance.

    21. Re:Well duh... by visgoth · · Score: 1

      Oh indeed, Paris Hilton can attest to this...

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    22. Re:Well duh... by deprecated · · Score: 1

      Ewww! Any two of those is an evil combination, but all three is just hillbilly! Christ!

    23. Re:Well duh... by cnj · · Score: 1

      I suppose that's the same response for "am I the only one waiting for the next Katz article."

      Well, I don't care so much about the article as the flaming that ensues. Ah, the good ol' days.

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    24. Re:Well duh... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, now she has zero chance of willingly going to said church again. She was humiliated in front of everyone, a presumably expensive piece of hardware was broken, and she was whacked.

      The easiest solution, methinks, would have been not dragging her to church if she didn't want to go. Trying to force church on the actively disliking is a waste of time and effort.

    25. Re:Well duh... by Jeffv323 · · Score: 1

      *BANG* Hear that sound? That's the sound of 0x0d0a hitting the nail square in the head. I want to shake your hand, sir, as that was f*cking dead on.

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    26. Re:Well duh... by Orion442 · · Score: 1

      nude Natalie Portman pictures...

      WHERE????

    27. Re:Well duh... by khallow · · Score: 1
      Of course, now she has zero chance of willingly going to said church again. She was humiliated in front of everyone, a presumably expensive piece of hardware was broken, and she was whacked.

      Small price to pay for learning how not to use a cell phone in public.

    28. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get it, do you? If us geeks start fantasizing about someone we actually have a shot at, it would be our fault if we never get anywhere with them, while if we fantasize about natalie portman, it's ok if we don't get laid, because she's unreachable anyway.

    29. Re:Well duh... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Of course, now she has zero chance of willingly going to said church again. She was humiliated in front of everyone, a presumably expensive piece of hardware was broken, and she was whacked.

      So, it all worked out for the best for everyone involved? She doesn't need to go to church. I wish I had a cellphone at that age; I could have removed myself from the tyranany of religion earlier. 7 days, adam & eve, bah!

    30. Re:Well duh... by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Ah, there is that thing called parenting. Sometimes kids don't get to make the choices, the parent does. Until you can pay your own bills and move your butt out, you live by your parents rules. That alone is a lesson everyone needs to learn.

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    31. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you find a story about destructive, group-shaming, abusive cultists funny...

      sad...

      Just wait until she comes back to church with a ak-47 under her 'trenchcoat' and columbines your asses for being retards.

      Whoops! Didn't see that coming, did'ja? Why, god was supposed to protect you or some shit...wasn't he?

    32. Re:Well duh... by BRSQUIRRL · · Score: 1

      Amen. :)

    33. Re:Well duh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      She was humiliated in front of everyone

      No. She humiliated herself in front of everyone. There are some occasions in life that deserve respect whether or not you go along with them. Frankly, if I were taking my kids to visit a mosque, temple, or synagogue, I would hold them to the same level of behavior as in their own church.

      There's such a thing as knowing your surroundings. The girl found herself in a room full of people who were very serious about being there. Even if she wasn't, she should've been respectful of those who were. Personally, I think her dad did her a favor. What if she'd been at a funeral - would answering a cell phone make her more or less appreciated? How about at a movie? A job interview? She didn't seem to understand that sometimes you have to turn the thing off, but I'm pretty sure she thinks differently about it now.

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    34. Re:Well duh... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      No. She humiliated herself in front of everyone.

      I don't agree. From at least her standpoint, the reaction to her act was what was humiliating.

      That doesn't mean that I don't find the father's reaction understandable. I'd probably be royally pissed off as well. But I also really think that if you have a kid that's old enough to have a cell phone, that kid should also be old enough to decide whether or not they're religious.

      Think about this from her situation. My guess is that she didn't want to be there, and was more than willing to make a pain out of herself. She saw that as her only way to gain influence, since clearly she didn't have enough to get herself out of attending in the first place. Now, her father breaking her cell phone *might* have taught her a lesson -- I'm talking about a secondhand story without a lot of detail. However, I've found that generally, folks are more willing to learn if they're at least somewhat empathizing with the other folks. I could see her simply transferring her embarrassment about the phone and the situation to her father and the other people, and complaing about it to her friends. She shouldn't have pulled out the phone, but by way of teaching lessons, neither should be break valuables when he's upset or -- in my opinion -- have taken her to church in the first place if she clearly didn't want to come.

      I've had university lecturers who, when a cell rings in their class, stop speaking and simply watch the person whose phone is ringing. Naturally, everyone else turns and looks too. There's no accusation, no sense of "those people are deliberately insulting me", but inevitably the red-faced student is mumbling apologies as they hurry to smack the hangup button.

      Oh, I don't know. I really do dislike cell phones -- to the point where, if I could easily obtain and carry a portable jammer, I probably would -- but I just can't help but think that everyone in that church could have probably solved the problem in a kinder way. Heck, these are a group of people kneeling in a *Christian church*. Social issues ignored, what happened to "turn the other cheek"?

    35. Re:Well duh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Heck, these are a group of people kneeling in a *Christian church*.

      I do understand your point, really. I may not quite agree, but I get your idea. However, you need to know that for conservative Christian denominations, Easter is the holiest of the holidays (even though Christmas has better marketing). She didn't disrupt some random Sunday morning - it was in the middle of the celebration of the most sacred day on the Christian calendar. Just for a little background. :-)

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    36. Re:Well duh... by sdcharle · · Score: 1

      That happened at a church dinner a friend of mine went to, too. Hate to break this to you, but it looks like all of a sudden a lot of ministers think they're Carrot Top.

    37. Re:Well duh... by sdcharle · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, the whole episode could have been handily avoided with a 'you don't take your cell phone to church' rule. If he's gonna drag her there against her will, what difference is another edict from Dad gonna make?

    38. Re:Well duh... by tommck · · Score: 1

      People mod funny posts Insightful so they'll actually get Karma points for being funny.

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    39. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No. She humiliated herself in front of everyone.

      I don't agree. From at least her standpoint, the reaction to her act was what was humiliating.

      The first poster is more accurate. The kid didn't realize she had reason to feel small and self-conscious when her phone went off. Her dad just helped her recognize her existing state of shame. It's like when you point out to your boss that he's got an 8 foot trail of toilet paper hanging out of his pants. You don't embarass him, you just point out a state that was already embarassing so that he could terminate the state.

    40. Re:Well duh... by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he was hoping his daughter might be smart enough how to act in public. Evidently he was wrong. If someone cannot figure out that there are expected and acceptable behaviours where they are, perhaps they shouldn't be making any choices on their own.

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    41. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a teenage daughter? The 90's were TAME compared to the 2000's.

    42. Re:Well duh... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      "Turn the other cheek" is not a good reason to not disclipine your child. By humiliating her, he probably taught her a lesson she won't forget, and will probably save her from a worse experience later on.

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    43. Re:Well duh... by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      Trying to force church on the actively disliking is a waste of time and effort.

      I'm a father. I have to "try and force" all kind of stuff on my kid, and I don't consider it a waste.
      If I didn't "try and force" him to go to school, he wouldn't. Ditto for bedtime, homework, and all kinds of things that he "actively dislikes".
      Going to church is smack dab into that territory. I'm not religious; however if her parents are raising her in a religion, that (in our sociey) is their privilege.

    44. Re:Well duh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Along with parenting is this other thing called "child support". Even if your kid hates you and won't do what you want (like go to some stupid ceremony to worship imaginary beings), you're stuck with her until she's 18. You can't throw her out of the house because she calls you names and curses your gods; if you do, you'll be in jail for child neglect.

      If you don't like this, you better think very carefully before sticking your cock in some girl's unprotected pussy.

    45. Re:Well duh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Going to church is smack dab into that territory. I'm not religious; however if her parents are raising her in a religion, that (in our sociey) is their privilege.

      Unfortunately so; no matter how crazy some people's religion is (whether it requires playing with venomous snakes or treating women like slaves), it somehow is deemed "ok" because "that's their religion". If you want to believe stupid crap, that's your choice, but you have no right to force it on others, including your own kids. Courts even agree with me on this sometimes; when Seventh-Day Adventists stand by and watch their children die painfully rather than let them have some medication or a blood transfusion, they're thrown in jail for murder, just as they should be.

    46. Re:Well duh... by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is adoption. Were I so inclined to, putting a child up for adoption is always an option. Secondly, if my children wind up hating me, so be it. I can remember many rebellous ideas I had when I was younger, and now see the wisdom of my parents.

      Hmmm, my wife probably does not mind, atleast no complaints yet. Perhaps when you grow up you will have a change of heart. I see your folks could have used a little more rod, and a little less sparing.

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    47. Re:Well duh... by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      I agree it is unfortunate, but I also believe it is better than the alternative: Someone else telling me what religion I have to teach my children. Also, I take confort in knowing that those whackos are still a small minority.
      A nitpick: The courts do not agree with you (and me). Yes, they force parents to allow their kids to receive medical treatment, and yes, they rightfully charge them criminally should they let their children die. But they do not forbid them from teaching that crap to their kids. Alas, I don't know how you firbid that without opening all kinds of new, huge cans of worms.

    48. Re:Well duh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's a pretty good question. You can't ban their religious speech, but you can restrict their destructive actions.

      The alternative, however, isn't being told which religion to teach, it's getting rid of that superstitious nonsense altogether. I really don't see the snake-handlers as being that much different than most other sects, and the people who treat women like slaves are Muslims, who constitute 1/5 of the world's population, so that's definitely no small minority.

      However, this would be a big strike against free speech, so I don't see any way of fixing the problem without creating a bigger one. We just need to wait for humanity to move their minds out of the dark ages and pursue something better than superstition.

    49. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd shake his hand too, just like I'd shake the hand of anyone who does their best to convince somebody that Christians are evil. That's one girl who won't waste her life following a fairy tale!

    50. Re:Well duh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The religious tolerance at Slashdot is amazing - as long as the religion is atheism. Anyone practicing any other belief system is dismissed as an idiot. Nice.

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    51. Re:Well duh... by Kobal · · Score: 1

      Simply because many educated people take it one step further than mere agnosticism or atheism. They're anticlericals, opposed to any and all form of religion and dogma (which more often than not are simply a tool to exploit the naive and the poor through hope).
      I'm sorry to be blunt here, but following unquestioningly any shared belief certainly can't be construed as a mark of intelligence.

    52. Re:Well duh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that "anticlericism" is bad, or that dogma is bad, or that the dogma of anticlericism is bad?

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    53. Re:Well duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait until you have kids who hate everything you do.

    54. Re:Well duh... by frekio · · Score: 1

      True, but nonetheless she deserved it...

    55. Re:Well duh... by Razor+Blades+are+Not · · Score: 1

      She won't forget it.
      But what will she learn from this lesson ?

      She won't learn that she should respect others.

      She'll learn that it's ok for authority figures to perform acts of minor violence in a place of worship when they're embarrassed by the actions of their charges.

    56. Re:Well duh... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      That's a good point.

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  4. It's obvious really... by fred87 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most hated invention: SCO Unixware

    1. Re:It's obvious really... by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but we can easily live without them.

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    2. Re:It's obvious really... by JPriest · · Score: 1

      Yes, but without them we wouldn't have Linux.

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    3. Re:It's obvious really... by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      And that would a problem why?

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  5. Hrmmm.. by nija · · Score: 0

    Can you hear me now? GOOOD! ;)

    1. Re:Hrmmm.. by dnahelix · · Score: 1

      Ashcroft: 'Can I hear you now? Good.'

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  6. method bias? by ScottSpeaks! · · Score: 4, Funny
    The random telephone survey of 1,023 adults and 500 teenagers ...

    Maybe cell phones wouldn't have gotten such a bad rap in this survey if they hadn't done it by y'know... calling people on the phone. :)

    1. Re:method bias? by rhetoric · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those numbers do seem a little skewed.. I work part-time on a project basis with an opinion research firm, and I know that sampling is done very carefully in order to get accurate results. I also know that if the people doing the research are biased, the results can follow.

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    2. Re:method bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This evening we received a "courtesy call" from Wells Fargo Home Mortgage. The only thing courteous about this call was the polite tone of the caller. It was arranged for dinner time. It was legal only because we have done business with them in the past. We have since taken our business elsewhere.

      I have a firm rule which is an extension of the warning signs that read "Please Don't Feed The Bears" at many parks and campgrounds. There are two good reasons. First, bears can hurt you. No matter how soft and cuddly they may look, they are dangerous when provoked. Second, bears that have found a source of food from humans quickly become "nuisance bears". They no longer seek their natural food sources.

      It is easy enough to extend this logic to anything that can become a nuisance. I don't buy from telemarketters. I don't answer "phone surveys", a fair percentage of which are just an excuse to justify a call for another purpose. And charities that call me not only don't get a donation, they are scratched off my donation list for at least a year even if they send something by mail.

    3. Re:method bias? by skzbass · · Score: 0

      remember, the most dangerouse animal in the zoo is you. damn humansssss...sssss...

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    4. Re:method bias? by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      I have learned to turn my anger at telemarketers into a grand ole time figuring out new ways to hang up on them. One guy called at like 2:30pm on a Sunday asking me to talk for a minute about my television viewing habits. I told him, "well you called right in the middle of 'football sunday', and that was pretty fuckin' stupid on your part." Click.

      Once I accidentally answered, even when I saw the name of the newspaper right on the caller id. Before they even said hello, I muttered, "oh shit, I didn't want to talk to these assholes." Click! Never heard from again.

      Once Omaha Steaks called me twice in a couple of weeks, and when they identified themselves the second time, I said, "oh cool!" When they asked why I was so happy, I replied, "Well, I told another one of you idiots to never call me again just two weeks ago, so now you're violating federal law and I'll collect $500!" Click. Never heard from again.

      Ahhhh... never gets old. Sometimes when the caller id is blocked, I just pick up and hang up just for the hell of it. Or when they start spewing off, a good old fashioned, "HEY, SHUT UP FOR A SECOND" before leading into the standard statements about the DNC sometimes make my day.

      I mean, really, can't they get any better jobs? SHEESH

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    5. Re:method bias? by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Don't be such a jerk to these poor fools. Try having some fun with them instead.

      Get a girl telemarketer? I know you've all heard at least one Shaliqua, either from a bill collector or selling something. Shaliquas everywhere love some smooth talk, so try it next time. Example: "Hello this Shaliqua wit Crapco callin to offa you a deal on some stuff t-day". Right when she breaks for your input, start off with a nice, low, "Girl, you sound so gooood. Whachoo wearin' tday?" This will hopefully throw her off long enough for you to think of something else witty to say. Keep it up as long as you want, she will be persistant and put up with your crap for a long, long time.

      If you get a man, turn the tables on him. He'll never expect a flaming gay Mr. Sparkles on the other end of the phone, much less one that thinks he sounds cute. One time I had a local newspaper guy calling to sell me a subscription. I turned on the lisp (listen to a few Jerky Boys' Jack Tors skits for practice) and was super wacky. I was so fruity with this guy by the end of the call I was asking for his phone number and telling him 'bye bye sweetbuns!'. He didn't say thanks, goodbye, he just said 'uh, uh...uh'. It was classic.

      Those little interruptions in the day can turn into fun if you're creative. Make your friends/family/cat gather around and enjoy these comedy opportunities. Remember, they're calling YOU, so you can say anything you want.

  7. rest of the survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I noticed that they didn't include the other most-hated technical innovations in the article, so here is a link to the other ones...can't believe they list Linux in there as well.

    1. Re:rest of the survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol gud 1

  8. Anything that beeps.. by rhetoric · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..must annoy

    From the article, " Alarm clocks were a close second..."

    You need it, but damn do you want to break it sometimes.

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    1. Re:Anything that beeps.. by ricochet81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      seconding that...who's idea was it to make virtually all cell phones "Beep" while turning them to the "silent" position.

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    2. Re:Anything that beeps.. by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Alarm clocks were a close second..."
      You need it, but damn do you want to break it sometimes.


      When I read this at first, I thought it went along with SargeZT's comment, "I thought it would of been the condom."

    3. Re:Anything that beeps.. by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      I DO break mine... about once a year I have to replace it cuz I hit snooze so hard (while 1/2 asleep) that either I break the buttons or knock the thing flying.

      Mornings suck!

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    4. Re:Anything that beeps.. by Eq+7-2521 · · Score: 1

      Like this one? I became vexed by the damned thing in college, and I rarely use one now. clock

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    5. Re:Anything that beeps.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are a clumsy moron.

    6. Re:Anything that beeps.. by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      moron, no.

      clumsy, sometimes. particularly when asleep

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    7. Re:Anything that beeps.. by PrincessPointer · · Score: 1

      How about this... I use my cell phone as an alarm clock... eheheh... when it rings in the mornings you can just feel the loooove fill the room :> ...... ... not:>

    8. Re:Anything that beeps.. by castro1959 · · Score: 0

      my cell phone is my alarm clock :/

    9. Re:Anything that beeps.. by coolerthanmilk · · Score: 1

      You need one of those alarm clocks that looks like a softball. When it goes off, you chuck it to turn it off. Nice. Also useful when someone comes in to wake you up. If it's before the time you had the alarm set for, throw it at them. If you are supposed to be awake already, you must have thrown it and it will no longer be within reach to injure the kind soul who is just trying to help you out.

      For what it's worth, I have a normal beeping alarm clock that I sleep through occasionally. My backup alarm is the killer. It's one of those all metal, mechanical wind-up clocks with the wind-up alarm consisting of two bells on top with the hammer between them. An old style alarm clock. Now that will wake the dead (in case you have any dead on hand who need waking) and stands up to much abuse. I highly recommend it.

  9. Really... by SargeZT · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought it would of been the condom.

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    1. Re:Really... by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Surely condoms are less annoying than kids.

      Especially considering the finite elasticity of...well...you get the picture.

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    2. Re:Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The condom is a useful invention as it serves as a barrier between my dick and your mom's aid-filled and scab-encrusted mouth. Additionally it collects all my jit into one container that your sister can drink.

      Peace!
      Al Sharpton

    3. Re:Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0






      Especially considering the finite elasticity of...well...you get the picture.

      Are you speaking of children's assholes? No, sorry, I don't know how elastic they are because, unlike you, I don't go around sticking my dick into them. Freaks like you make me sick. They should round up you, Cmdr Taco, and all those other pedophile sicko perverts and put you in a camp, and let you suck each other's dicks all day until your diseases kill you off. You are sick and disgusting. I hope one of your victims has the courage to step forward and you go to jail, and several large black inmates test the elasticity of your asshole every night. Freak.






    4. Re:Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? Condoms are great.

      Without them, even the skankiest might have second thoughts about who they have sex with.

    5. Re:Really... by SargeZT · · Score: 1

      Wow. Witty.

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  10. Still don't have a cell phone... by VistaBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...and I still don't want one.

    Did you ever notice that things have gotten way more stressful in the past few decades? We're getting all this advanced technology, and for what? So that we can get in touch with anyone anywhere? So that we can have our bosses bother us at any time with useless BS work that "can't wait until tomorrow?" I say the cell phone is the biggest stress-causer ever, and anyone who has one should eliminate it from their lives.

    1. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Solution: don't give your cell number out to your business associates.

      I carry a cell to make it easier for friends to get a hold of me -- to schedule fun (read: non-work) stuff. It's a plus for me.

    2. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by dytin · · Score: 1

      Ok, wait until you need it when you have a flat tire but no spare, then tell me that it causes stress.

    3. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by MBCook · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I understand what you say. I have a cell phone, but I keep it off, ALL THE TIME. I don't tell other people the number. I can use it if I get into a wreck (and I have), or if something else very important comes up. But I refuse to keep it on all the time. I can't even go one class in college now (even 45 minute ones with only a handfull of people) without a cell phone going off. And in my largest class (~1000 people) you could hear 3 or 4 if you listened every day. If people would just stop leaving the damn things on and answering every call even when they don't feel like it, they might not hate 'em so much.

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    4. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1
      I'll tell you what - I'll spend the money that I would have spent on a mobile/cell phone and the associated bills ON A FRICKING SPARE TYRE!

      You can't blame the stress of being stranded without a spare tyre on not having a telephone. The only thing you can blame it on is NOT HAVING A SPARE, which is just silly.

    5. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you also keep a spare engine in your car?

    6. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a fucking loser. i can turn off my cell phone when i don't want to be bothered, but you can't turn off the grease factory that is your forehead when you want to be loved.

    7. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Still don't have a cell phone... ...and I still don't want one.

      I've got a cell phone, but no contract. Picked it up at a garage sale cheap. It's good for calling 911, but nothing else.

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    8. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by briansz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, wait until you need it when you have a flat tire but no spare, then tell me that it causes stress.

      What kind of idiot travels without a spare tire? Or a toolkit?

      I neither have nor want a cell phone. I had one (and at one point two) in the mid-90's and I like my life a lot better without them. Come to think of it, I don't have a regular phone either. You can only be stressed by that which you allow into your life. The net is on my terms and that's the way it will stay.

      Two weeks ago, I completely blew the 5-speed up in my pickup. 75 miles from a major city, 9 miles from the nearest phone. Trucker parked on an on-ramp parked called on channel 9 and the State Patrol came out. This is about 3AM Friday morning on the side of an interstate in Bum Fuck Nowhere. The SP called AAA on THEIR cellphone for me, and they never showed up. At 8AM I stopped waiting and started walking, caught a ride into town, called AAA again, got picked up by the tow truck, loaded the pickup and got driven back home.

      You're not helpless without a cellphone. But you can't expect to be utterly stupid and unprepared wihout one either. I had gloves, extra clothes, a North Face sleeping bag, a full toolkit, lights, food, drink, etc. I could have lived in the truck for three days if necessary. In fact, I dropped the back driveshaft while I was waiting for the first tow truck so he wouldn't do more damage dragging it onto the flatbed.

      It's just an attitude of preparedness.

    9. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Pyromage · · Score: 1

      A device doesn't cause stress. People cause stress. A phone won't stress you out if you don't let it. Why does it annoy you? Because you are on call? If you're on call, that's the job, not the cell phone. If you're not supposed to be on call, tell your boss to fsck off. If it can't wait until tomorrow, it's important enough to be paid for.

    10. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn, that's harsh!

    11. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Kruid · · Score: 1

      Gotta know how to use it. I have no phone except a cell phone - been that way for 6 years. When I tell peers/customers that fact they respect it, and I don't get calls 24/7. Also, as my friends will attest, I'm never afraid to shut the phone off for a nice quiet weekend! And of course, if caller id displays 'unknown' i don't answer, ever.

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    12. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by smilingirl · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What if you *do* have a spare *tIre* and don't know how to change it. Yes, ok, I'm a girl. I'm sorry, but I can't change a flat tire. And having a flat tire is only one thing that can go wrong with a car. What if your battery dies and you need a jump? What if your engine breaks? What if you run out of gas? (THAT would be stupid though) I mean, I drive a 13-year-old car and all those things, well besides running out of gas, are perfectly plausible things to occur.

      Another plus to cell phones is being able to call long distance. And my, all sorts of things. I don't use mine very much at all, but when I need it, it's very nice to have.

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    13. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      Just keep it on vibrate. That's what I do so that it won't annoy other people at work. What's so difficult about that?

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    14. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. The vast majority of all cellphone ringers are horrendously annoying. Every time I sit in a room and one of these dumb MIDI ringtones plays (and, mind you, they play loudly), I want to strangle someone.

      What's wrong with keeping your phone on vibrate? If I'm having a conversation with you, I don't need to stop and wait for you to answer your phone and chit-chat for several minutes and say "I need to go, I'll call you back later." That's what voicemail is for. Keep it on vibrate, let it forward callers to voicemail.

      Seriously, we need to enforce some cell phone etiquette. And they call us not socially adjusted.

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    15. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I neither have nor want a cell phone. I had one (and at one point two) in the mid-90's and I like my life a lot better without them. Come to think of it, I don't have a regular phone either.


      Hahaha, you are soooo full of shit!

    16. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by fejikso · · Score: 1

      Or you can have it on and be disciplined enough (as I am) to switch to silence/vibrator mode every time you go into a sensitive place.

    17. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by HardCase · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Pffft. I've had a cell phone for something like 7 or 8 years. It doesn't give me any stress. It's not a leash for my boss to keep track of me, it's not a 24/7 contact device and it causes me absolutely no stress. It's a tool...just like a hammer. It's great for calling my wife at home when I'm at the grocery store because I found something tasty that might be good for dinner. It's handy for traveling because the people who have my number can find me in an emergency. And speaking of emergencies, well, duh.


      Now, I'm not saying that a cell phone might stress you out...I'm sure that it does, because you're not using it right. But it doesn't stress me out and I'm not going to eliminate it from my life. I do have to say, though, that if a cell phone is the biggest stress-causer in your life, then you don't have much to complain about!


      -h-

    18. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      What if you *do* have a spare *tIre* and don't know how to change it.

      How hard is it to change a tyre? You just jack up the corner of the car where the flat is, unbolt the lug nuts, pull the flat off, put the spare on, re-bolt the nuts, lower the car, put everything away, and drive off.

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    19. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...and thus, we've revealed the fact that it's not cell phones we hate, but rather the average cell phone user.

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    20. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 1

      I have the same problem in my classes (as well as at the movie theater.) What can be done to these people to get them to get the message?

      If you can remember to keep it off, why can't other people?

    21. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by smilingirl · · Score: 1

      *ahem* Jacking up the corner of the car probably involves more strength than my feeble skinny arms that can barely carry my organic chemistry textbook across campus have....

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    22. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by sexecutioner · · Score: 1

      Sorry mate, don't be a smartarse and correct someone for spelling it "tyre" when it *is* spelt that way by other english speaking countries.

    23. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I love my cellphone. But I do not give my number to co-workers and my boss (I ended up compromising after they get pissy about this and provided a pager email address) - if my phone rings, it's a friend calling.

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    24. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you drive something made in the 70's.

    25. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by JPriest · · Score: 1

      I have an extra sprint phone. You can also use it to call collect or make calls with a calling card.

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    26. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      No, but then I keep the one that IS in it in good repair, something that cannot be guaranteed with a tyre.
      Most breakdowns are caused by the driver/maintainer of the vehicle not looking after it - not checking the oil and radiator regularly, not having the thing serviced except when required to pass a roadworthiness test. Some are unavoidable, and yes, a mobile 'phone will reduce stress in these instances, but for the most part a stitch in time saves nine.

    27. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beats me. After eight years of driving I finally had to change my first spare tire, and I was boggled by how easy it was to jack that car up. It was just about the worst situation - six inches of snow, barely able to pull far off the road, and maybe -15 degrees with the wind chill, but that car just shot right up.

      Buying a car with wheel locks, now that made it a PITA. I recommend keeping a telescoping tire iron in the car - that thing will give you the torque.

    28. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by strobexii · · Score: 1

      Ah, the good old days. But seriously, if people strongly felt that the annoyances caused by cell phones outweighed the benefits, I doubt they would be such a ubiquitous technology today. As far as your perception of increasing stress, check out this article. It's about a recent study which found that "the [primitave] Mangyan way of life produces the same types of stress that modern technological living does - only more so."

    29. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by vTalon · · Score: 1

      ...and I still don't want one.

      Did you ever notice that things have gotten way more stressful in the past few decades?


      Nicely constructed, Troll. I'm going to feed you, anyway...

      A story: One spring morning, I was lying on my back in the green grass of the Rose Garden (the one near the Natural History Museum and Science Center in Los Angeles), reading a book. I had a cell phone lying by my side.

      A passing stranger noted that I looked quite relaxed, but that I'd be much more relaxed if I didn't have the phone.

      Au contraire. If I didn't have the cell phone, I'd be cooped up inside my dreary college apartment, waiting for the landline to ring, because I was expecting an important call regarding a job at the Science Center.

      It was much more relaxing to wait for that call outside, in the open air, with a good book in my hands.

      And if I ever don't want to be reached, it only takes a couple of seconds to turn the phone off...

      ~ PeteVG

    30. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, this is just TOO STUPID TO BEAR.

      Hey kid, think about it: if 500 people attend a lecture (as I did at Boston University), and one half own cell phones, and only 10% forget to turn off their phones, and people get, on average, 6 calls per day, you ARE GUARANTEED by the laws of averages to get at least one call in the audience per hour of lecture.

      But thanks for playing. Moron.

    31. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your example, a spare tire AND a toolkit were useless. You point out that you had survival gear.

      That's MORONIC to expect that average people would all pack heavy duty clothing, camping gear, food and drink, to avoid carrying a cellphone.

      By your own account, you could have avoided walking to town if you had your own cellphone to call (gee, what, twice?) to get assistance.

      Cellphones are extremely useful for CONTINGENIES, you twit.

    32. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by BizDiz · · Score: 1

      If you have 10,000 people on slashdot and 60% are complete idiots and 1% decides to invoke the law of averages THEY ARE GUARANTEED to completely misunderstand it.

    33. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by tooth · · Score: 1

      Seriously though, it's not that hard. Get a freind to have a "dummy run" and show you how to do it, then try it yourself. If you get stuck he/she can help you. Remember, dirt washes off :)

    34. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mwahahahahahahaha!

      This has got to be the silliest post I've read today!

      Oh, wait, he's not joking. Err....

    35. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

      probably? Meaning you've never tried? If you can't you need to exercise more.

    36. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by MBCook · · Score: 1
      I read this HILARIOUS thing once, I forget where. Basicially the premise was that a new species of bug had been discovered by scientists. The bug could be found in many colors and sizes, with varying number of antennae. These bugs could be identified by their feeding habbits. The attach to humans by hanging out the outside of the head and feed through the ear canal. The bugs have the ability to make people act like stupid idiots talking to people who aren't there and yelling loudly, and they can be dangerous (having been known to cause car accidents).

      It is suggested that if you ever see a person with one of these bugs on their ear, you run up, grab it off, throw it on the ground, SMASH IT, and then yell to the person "I just saved your life! You don't have to thank me." At that point you might want to run as victims seem to suffer from withdrawl from the bugs and don't like losing them.

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    37. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Patik · · Score: 1

      Tires and dead batteries are something we can prepare for. Anyone can afford the space to leave some jumper cables in the car. Spare tires are there so you don't have to load the car onto a truck to move it should a tire pop. The other things are problems that either can't be helped by carrying spare parts in the car (due to size, tools/skills required to install them, etc.). As long as you have a tire you can roll it safely out of the way and have it towed.

    38. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 1

      Le Sigh.

      Most breakdowns are caused by the driver/maintainer of the vehicle not looking after it...

      I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong... but... PROOF?

      I drove a Ford Probe to 280K miles and it finally died because the damn head unit blew up from the age. I changed the oil once every 9000 miles or so and only did anything more than that when something went wrong. My brother put TEN... yes, count 'em, TEN quarts of oil in his grand am, didn't change or check it (5 quarts, not the 10 - we drained the extra) for nearly a year, and it still runs just peachy at 130K miles. Looks and smells like shit cuz he beat the hell out of it, but it runs great.

      My parent's Taurus just crapped out one day - head blew for no particularly good reason. Current maintenance, treated fairly (as in, no speedracer in the ugly 4 door) and it just crapped out at 90K miles. Owned since something like 2 or 3 thousand miles with no indication anything was wrong until the head gasket blew. My grandmother's car - a Chevy Corsica V6, drives like shit. It never saw any hard driving, and we keep up on the maintenance for her, but it's still dying at 85k miles.

      My anecdotal evidence suggests your unsupported conclusion is wrong. Do you have stronger evidence (anecdotal or otherwise), to the contrary?

      Yes, sorry. I'm making an example of you. I'm getting tired of people retorting with "this is how things are" without backing it up. Nothing personal and I wouldn't be surprised if you actually were right, and I'm CERTAINLY not saying it's not well worth taking care of your car engine and all.

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    39. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by ShortBeard · · Score: 0

      Amen Brother!

    40. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm having a conversation with you, I don't need to stop and wait for you to answer your phone and chit-chat for several minutes and say "I need to go, I'll call you back later."

      That's when you get out your cell phone and call them. "Hang on, I've got another call..."

    41. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget jacking up the car, your biggest problem would likely be getting off the lug nuts. More than once have I (a 150lb man) had to call for professional assistance in removing rusted-on lugs. And I mean I stood with both feet on the end of the wrench, and was unable to budge the damn thing!

      aQazaQa

    42. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should loosen the lug nuts *before* jacking the car up. They are much easier to take off that way. Then when the car is jacked up you just unscrew them with your fingers.

    43. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by jacksonyee · · Score: 1

      As others have already suggested, a good lift won't require much strength to raise the car with... Now, getting the lift out of the trunk and positioning it - that might be the problem for you.

      There's no easy fix for getting stuck on the side of the road. One of my oldest friends replied to me on this very question: "Hello!!! I'm sure that some nice guy will stop and help!" In the old days, you could count on someone stopping by and lending you a hand, but in this age of rapists, drug addicts, and so forth, most people I know are wary of stopping to help someone. It's sad, but it's also very true.

      I think your original comment gave the impression that you didn't know how to change your tire because you didn't want to, not because you didn't have the ability to - that's where all of these replies are coming from now. It's fine if you don't have the strength to do it, but knowing what to do in incidents is the key, and I'm sure that you know that as well. In the case of an emergency, a cell phone and a road-side assistance service such as AAA would be the best situation. Even if you don't have a cell phone plan, any old or discarded cell phone which has a signal can still call 911, which is a bit overkill, but if you're out in the middle of a snowstorm, it could possibly save you. Any extra option to have is a good thing!

    44. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by PacoTaco · · Score: 1
      What can be done to these people to get them to get the message?

      "Hey, you want a free battery?"

    45. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by briansz · · Score: 1

      In your example, a spare tire AND a toolkit were useless. You point out that you had survival gear.

      Which I would have had with me, cell phone or not, when driving about 460 miles in the middle of the night at 6000 feet elevation in December. Let's see your cell phone prevent you from freezing your weenie off. As to the uselessness of the toolkit, I suppose that I could have left the driveshaft intact and risked blowing the differential as well when Mr. Tow Truck Driver dragged my pickup onto the flatbed. When the tranny won't turn and the rear tires are trying, that spells bad things for the driveshaft and/or rear end. I'd prefer not to drop another $1200 on a differential rebuild when I just laid out a similar amount on a tranny. But I don't expect you to know this, since you are smarter than me.

      By your own account, you could have avoided walking to town if you had your own cellphone to call

      I could have avoided walking into town completely if the fine tow truck driver dispatched by AAA had actually fucking showed up as promised.

      Cellphones are extremely useful for CONTINGENIES, you twit.

      This twit can spell contingencies. And solve simple problems without the use of a cell phone, thank you.

    46. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by briansz · · Score: 1

      Since you seem to know me personally, perhaps you can offer a bit more detail. The last time I looked, Cox Cable requires neither a telephone or cell phone to provide internet service. I last had a cell phone in 1998 and last had a land line in the summer of 1999.

      I had Ricochet wireless before hooking to the net via cable for the last three years.

      Surprise! Less stress and still breathing after almost five years without telco service!

    47. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I say the cell phone is the biggest stress-causer ever, and anyone who has one should eliminate it from their lives.

      Not necessarily. I have a cellphone only because it's cheaper to maintain than a regular telephone, given I live in Finland and my calling profile considered. I used to keep it at home where I had the old phone and didn't take it to work, store, jogging, or just anywhere where it wasn't necessary. So that was no problem.

      These days I've got a reason to be available to my family and I do carry my phone most of the time, but as a counter measure I very rarely give out my number to new people and I never answer unknown numbers. And I have my phone set up to beep loud but once, so that if it's a bad time I don't have to dig it up and quiet the volume myself. Being available is something I couldn't do with a regular phone line, but I've carefully crafted my cellphone usage to avoid the infamous "be-anywhere-anytime-anybody disorder." Just my 2

    48. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by i+love+pineapples · · Score: 1

      And do you have an invisible force field around you that protects you from getting in an accident with other drivers?

    49. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by nyseal · · Score: 1

      ~1000 people in your class? Jesus...where are the classes held? In a stadium?

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    50. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by paulgrant · · Score: 1

      >What if you *do* have a spare *tIre* and don't know how to change it. Yes, ok, I'm a girl. I'm sorry, but I can't change a flat tire.

      Its called learn wench.
      Jesus christ, it aint rocket science.

      >And having a flat tire is only one thing that can go wrong with a car. What if your battery dies and you need a jump?

      Portable battery charger (100$),
      Triple AA + time (20$)
      Replacing your damn battery the
      first six times it happens ($80).

      >What if your engine breaks?
      Walk, to a payphone... U know, like they did BEFORE cell phones existed?

      >I mean, I drive a 13-year-old car and all those things, well besides running out of gas, are perfectly plausible things to occur.

      Kill ur wireless phonebill, and save up for a better car. Or regular car maintainance.

    51. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, it just sounds like you and your family don't take care if their cars very well.

      Oil change every 9000 miles? Are you mental?

    52. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      these dumb MIDI ringtones plays

      I agree... Be careful when you buy a new cellphone though. When I bought mine, I didn't know that it could *only* do MIDI files (and ADCPM 4-bit 16kHz WAV files). I deleted all midi files on the phone, and now I'm pretty pissed because the built-in ringtones are as sucky as the midi files on it. Apart from that I like my cellphone.

      I just want a regular ringer for a call, damnit! (And a short beep for SMS, not the current 3 times long beep just is way too long) Of course in midi the only option you have is the latest Britney Aguilara song (or some other generic singing chick), and I really couldn't care less about that.

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    53. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by nchip · · Score: 1

      Yeah, be carefull indeed.

      don't do like the parent poster. Instead check that the phone allows you to install your own ringtone/sms alert/alarm clock MIDI via bluetooth/infrared/usb instead of just limiting you to whatever your operator provides to you. Making a ringing and simple beep MIDI files yourself are trivial...

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    54. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by erf007 · · Score: 1
      I can still remember going to a Microsoft presentation in Townsville. A guy in the registration queue in front of me was standing there having a very loud conversation on his mobile phone. The poor girl doing registations was desperately trying to get him to sign the NDA paperwork......

      Then the phone rang!

      He left the seminar and didn't come back.... this was quite a few years ago when mobile phones were still cool and new!

    55. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1
      I drove a Ford Probe to 280K miles and it finally died because the damn head unit blew up from the age. I changed the oil once every 9000 miles or so and only did anything more than that when something went wrong.

      This is exactly my point - your oil changes are good, but repair!=service. Things should be fixed before they go wrong, not after. If "something went wrong" then you've had more breakdowns than just the head blowing, and they were caused by you not looking after your vehicle.

    56. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Skater · · Score: 1

      Err, loosen the lug nuts a little bit BEFORE jacking up the car. Especially if you have a flat rear tire on a front-wheel drive car. Then you don't have to worry about the tire spinning.

      How hard indeed...

      --RJ

    57. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "What if you *do* have a spare *tIre* and don't know how to change it. Yes, ok, I'm a girl. I'm sorry, but I can't change a flat tire. And having a flat tire is only one thing that can go wrong with a car. What if your battery dies and you need a jump? What if your engine breaks? What if you run out of gas? (THAT would be stupid though) I mean, I drive a 13-year-old car and all those things, well besides running out of gas, are perfectly plausible things to occur. Another plus to cell phones is being able to call long distance. And my, all sorts of things. I don't use mine very much at all, but when I need it, it's very nice to have. "

      Congratulations, your post will now be listed on web-searches for "13-year-old AND girl AND jump leads" ;-)

    58. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Phaid · · Score: 1

      My current car just passed 100,000 miles. It's broken down and stranded me twice so far: once, because a cell in the sealed, "maintenance-free" battery died, which due to the amazing engineering of the vehicle, took the alternator with it. No amount of jumpering can get you out of this one. The second time, the belt tensioner gave out and the serpentine belt fell to the floor of the engine compartment. The belt was checked regularly (at every oil change, which I do at about 4000 miles because I live in the Northeast) for wear and proper tensioning. Neither of these failures was due to lack of maintenance on my part, and there was no way for me to catch them before the fact, yet they happened.

      Then again, I don't have a cell phone either.

    59. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      You complain about a cell phone only being used for a boss to get in touch with you?

      Many of us use our phones to contact friends. My social life would not exist without a cell phone, the one person I know that doesn't have one is always missing out on nights out etc as she can't be contacted. My boss? Doesn't have the number for it.

      How is having a phone bad in this context? I've had one since 94, wouldn't ever go without. Tried a pager in 97, waste of time. And text messages; fantastic. I can contact friends from noisy clubs, bars or quiet resteraunts without distrubing anything.

      There is nowt wrong with mobiles, ever. All that may be wrong is stupid & inconsiderate users.

    60. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      Some people are just unlucky I suppose. For example, I recently visited Ireland for the weekend, leaving my car at the ferry terminal for two nights. When I got back, my battery was almost dead. I'd arrived at the ferry in broad daylight, so I hadn't left my lights on. I have no idea how the battery discharged itself in two days. I'd just driven 300 miles to get to the ferry, too, so it should have had a full charge. I had no trouble before, and have had no trouble since. No amount of care will prevent EVERY breakdown, but most breakdowns are still due to less than the proper amount. Ask any AA/RAC roadside assistance guy, and he'll tell you the majority of callouts are to people who have no spare, or some other trivial, easily remedied complaint.

    61. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      the cell phone is the biggest stress-causer ever

      Try not watching TV for a week sometime. It's one of the more insidious causes of stress I know, not the least because it robs you of time to reflect, to read, to talk to other people, or sleep. There's also all the "conditioning" to make you feel anxious if you don't buy some product. That can't be healthy.

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    62. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even if you want a lovely girl call you ? ;)


      clara star

    63. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 1

      Alternator went bad (~100K) and a valve cracked and burned (~230K). Replaced the water pump at about the 200 grand mark.

      Otherwise, no problems. I had more problems than that with the Thunderbird that I only owned for 1 year and 10K miles.

      ...and they were caused by you not looking after your vehicle.

      None of the problems detailed suggest any abuse. The only one that might would be the head blowing up, but given that it was such a high mileage car when it happened.... nope. The burned valve was abuse, but that's thanks to an idiot mechanic putting the timing belt on the wrong mark.

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    64. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by ProKras · · Score: 1

      I drive a 22 year old car and do not currently carry a cell phone, although I have in the past. Preventative maintenance and a bit of knowledge are much better than just having a cell phone. I think anyone who reads slashdot can appreciate this.

      Take your car regularly to a mechanic you trust. Keep the car well tuned, replace the battery near the end of the warranty period (usually 60-84 months), make sure the spare tire and jack are in good condition (donuts should be filled to 60psi), and learn how to use it. I carry a can of flat-filling foam in addition to my spare, as well as jumper cables, extra oil, coolant, and now transmission fluid too after my transmission sprung a leak.

      A cell phone is handy if you really need to call AAA, but you will usually be within walking distance of a pay phone, and on the freeways the Highway Patrol will find you sooner or later to help you out. A dead battery, for example, shouldnt be a huge problem unless you decide to park miles from civilization.

    65. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Animedude · · Score: 1

      > Indeed. The vast majority of all cellphone ringers are horrendously annoying.
      >Every time I sit in a room and one of these dumb MIDI ringtones
      >plays (and, mind you, they play loudly), I want to strangle someone.

      We had a colleague here who tended to choose the absolutely most disgusting ring tones for his cellphone. You know, the ones you click through when choosing one on your own phone and think about "who would EVER choose that one?". Turkish dances, unrecognizable beeptone versions of stupid pop songs - you name it, he had it. One day, he left his cellphone on his desk and left the office for a while. Somebody called his phone. An extremely annoying oriental song started playing. The caller did not give up. After about two minutes of ringing, we opened the window and threw the phone out :)

      (IIRC he eventually found his phone again somewhere deep in the vegetation outside our office building. He always took his phone with him from then on...)

    66. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      That's what mini-skirts are for. Just hike it up, and 20 guys will stop to help you.

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    67. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Same here. I use it if my car breaks down, or if I'm caught in traffic I can tell my GF I'll be late, but otherwise I keep it turned off.

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    68. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Reapy · · Score: 1

      Nah, people stop. One day i got a flat on the garden state parkway in jersey. I've never changed a flat before or seen it done even though i'm 24. Pulled out the manual and they had the instructions for me right there. I would have had the jackpoint in the wrong spot had a done it and probably fucked up the frame of my car. Luckly for me I couldnt find a tire iron in the car so had no way to get the bolts off.

      Sat and waited in the back passenger side of the car for about 30 minutes. Some truck finally stopped, was a 30ish guy, probably contruction or something, told him i had no tire iron and he gave me the wtf you incompetant fuck look and proceded to speed change the tire with me after he got some work gloves and a toolset out of the back. Then he told me he stopped cause he thought i was a woman with a baby and it was a hot day so he didnt want us to have to sit there lol.

      So yeah, people will stop for ya. This isnt an age of rapists and murders, this is an age of media telling you more about them then they did in the past.

    69. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by DevNova · · Score: 1

      Do you still have the car's owner's manual? It should tell you how to change a spare. If not, find someone who will show you how to change a spare...your Dad, a coworker. In the end it will save you time (waiting for someone to show up) and/or money (paying a tow service or garage) to learn how to perform simple maintenance and repairs on your vehicle.

    70. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      In Northern Ontario there are people who get out on their snowmobiles in snowstorms specifically to find stranded vehicles and help them. They get all excited about it, it's like some kind of twisted way to get out and socialize.

      I bet the same thing happens anywhere in the rural/near rural U.S.

      The media has definately freaked everyone out, and maybe even given a few nuts some ideas.

    71. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      But cel phones are typically used in public, where there could be as many as 42 cel phones in the same room. To distinguish them, you need a ring tone more distinct than just "brrrrrng."

      This way, when you hear "Safety Dance" start playing, you and you alone have to check your phone.

      Or you can set it to vibrate. A lot of cel phones do that.

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    72. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Magius_AR · · Score: 1
      Yes, ok, I'm a girl. I'm sorry, but I can't change a flat tire.

      Well I'm sorry, but LEARN
      Everyone should know how to change a tire

      Not having the strength to loosen a lugnut is another issue...but pleading ignorance simply to allow yourself to be lazily needy is a poor way to go through life.

      Agreed though, cell phones are nice in case of emergencies

    73. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What if you *do* have a spare *tIre* and don't know how to change it. Yes, ok, I'm a girl. I'm sorry, but I can't change a flat tire.
      Then you should not be driving, at least not by yourself. Seriously. If you're going to trust your life to a machine, first learn how it works and how to make basic repairs.

      Unless you have some serious physical or mental disability, you almost certainly can change a tire, even if you don't realize it. It's relatively easy, and humans can be very clever and resourceful when they must.

    74. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Uhm, I have a USB cable, works fine, but I just don't have any ringtones that apeal to me. I have no clue about MIDI files (being absolutely amusical) so making one myself is out of the question. (What software? How? I do not know)...

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    75. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Since everyone thinks like you, my cellphone with a normal "brrrng" will kinda stand out, no? ;-)

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    76. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by jes5199 · · Score: 1

      hey, whoa, i don't like this line of reasoning.

      I'M MALE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE A TIRE ...when i got a flat tire

      my wife came and changed it.

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    77. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's just an attitude of preparedness.
      You're forgetting that the cell phone is just another level of preparedness. It may be redundant in some cases but it deffinetly adds value. In your case the value add is marginal but that may not be true of everyone.
    78. Re:Still don't have a cell phone... by dbingamon · · Score: 1

      I still don't have one, I've lived 42 years without one and don't need it.
      Newer generations growing up with it think that its a neccesity of life, t'ain't so.

      If you are in a wreck, chances are the person who hit you will have a Cell phone and the distraction of the phone probably caused the wreck.

      I just heard recently that a small town is investigating a cell phone tower in one area because nearby residents have developed a high cancer rate. The tower may be putting out more power than it supposed to. Of course this will probably get hushed up

  11. Linux by PuffCammy · · Score: 0

    Linux obviously is the most hated thing that I can't live without. Wait, that's Windows. Wait, I can live without it. Lousy Microsoft.

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    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No wonder your karma is 0.

  12. The SUV by bartash · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hate the SUV.

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    1. Re:The SUV by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Agreed...the sheer number of SUVs out there is disgusting. And yay Buffy quote :)

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    2. Re:The SUV by obirt · · Score: 1

      Do the "civilian" hummers and the H2 fall into that catagory?

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    3. Re:The SUV by HardCase · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I hate the SUV.


      It's chic to hate the SUV, but I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times that my Ford Explorer has gotten me (or, better put, others) out of trouble, mostly from people driving their front wheel drive econoboxes in the snow like it was the Indy 500. I know that I'm in the minority, but a small resort town in the mountains requires some sort of four wheel drive vehicle with a little bit of oomph. There's no way that a small passenger car is going to get through the roads after an overnight, two foot snowstorm. And even after the roads are plowed, they're still incredibly treacherous. And don't get me started on how in the world I'll get up to service a microwave link at the top of the mountain in a Subaru Justy.


      -h-

    4. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      those are as useful to the civilian as sticking your dick into a mousetrap

    5. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that I'm in the minority

      Well then, you're missing the point, aren't you? :) Of course _some_ people can use SUVs (or big trucks or whatever) but the majority of people 1) don't need 'em and 2) don't live in a town where people do need 'em.

      I mean, I hate those noisy leafblowers (burning gas when a good broom would do), but they're really not an issue in New York City...

    6. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're not the problem. You live in a small resort town in the mountains and you really do need the SUV. The problem is people who don't need them. Some soccer mom needs an SUV as much as she needs a semi - that is to say, she doesn't.

    7. Re:The SUV by snarkh · · Score: 1
      What's wrong with a 4-wheel drive car, say Volvo or Subaru? It has just as much traction and is far less likely to tip over.

      I've was in a Jeep Cherokee once, when the driver, my friend, overestimated his car and his driving skill and spinned on a snowy road and went straight into a ditch. Amazingly, the thing did not roll, but it was stuck there for good, 4-wheel drive or not.

    8. Re:The SUV by Kelson · · Score: 1
      ...but a small resort town in the mountains requires some sort of four wheel drive vehicle with a little bit of oomph.

      And in areas like that, an SUV is advantageous. But it doesn't help much (and not nearly as many as people seem to think) in a flat (sub)urban area, where a small econo-car is often a better choice. The problem isn't the existence of SUVs, per se, but the fact that people - and lots of them - are driving them in the wrong areas. It's like the old adage about getting a Ferrari just to drive it around the block.

      On the other hand, I did see someone drive around a stopped car and over the traffic island once, so perhaps they have some use in suburbia after all.

    9. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > my Ford Explorer has gotten me (or, better put,
      > others) out of trouble, mostly from people
      > driving their front wheel drive econoboxes in
      > the snow like it was the Indy 500

      having driven both in the snow quite a bit, both cautiously and wildly, i would say that there is not much advantage to using a 4wd vehicle on snowy asphalt, all things being equal (i.e. manual/auto, tires, abs and traction control). on an uneven surface it is certainly different, but on flat asphalt any advantage felt is a placebo.


      the primary loss-of-control danger of snow driving on a road is losing traction during a turning maneuver (i would vote second for over-braking, especially w/o ABS). if you lose contact long enough and your driving wheels become sufficiently out of line with the vector component of your motion, you are just as fucked with four wheel drive, because you cannot steer your back wheels.

      > There's no way that a small passenger car is
      > going to get through the roads after an
      > overnight, two foot snowstorm

      again, all things being as equal as possible, you might have a bit of trouble doing this with an explorer as well. does it really have the clearance to safely navigate 2 average feet of snow?

      you'd be amazed what a $20 pair of cable-type chains can do for a justy.

    10. Re:The SUV by MrEd · · Score: 2, Interesting
      and don't get me started on how in the world I'll get up to service a microwave link at the top of the mountain in a Subaru Justy

      Food for thought: The Subaru Forester has almost an inch more ground clearance than a Ford Explorer.

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    11. Re:The SUV by RevMike · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's chic to hate the SUV, but I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times that my Ford Explorer has gotten me (or, better put, others) out of trouble, mostly from people driving their front wheel drive econoboxes in the snow like it was the Indy 500. I know that I'm in the minority, but a small resort town in the mountains requires some sort of four wheel drive vehicle with a little bit of oomph. There's no way that a small passenger car is going to get through the roads after an overnight, two foot snowstorm. And even after the roads are plowed, they're still incredibly treacherous. And don't get me started on how in the world I'll get up to service a microwave link at the top of the mountain in a Subaru Justy.

      Like most tools, don't hate the tool, hate the person who missuses it. The SUV problem isn't a problem with SUVs, but is a problem with SUV owners. Take, for example, the extreme case of the Hummer. A few years ago they started popping up on roads around here (metro NYC) like crazy because they became a status symbol for the stock broker to drive out to the Hamptons. Most of them never got off pavement, and most of the drivers would have been a dangerous menace in a snowstorm. SUVs are not "good citizens" on the roads, and so it is incumbant that their drivers be good citizens. In too many cases that is not true.

      Personally, this is the list of people who should have SUVs...

      • People who work in construction and the like and need to haul tools and material.
      • People who need to tow a boat or trailer.
      • People who actually pursue off road driving as a hobby/sport.
      • People who have vital jobs (police/fire/nurses/utility crews) in areas that frequently suffer severe snowfalls.
      • People who farm, ranch, or travel on unimproved roads very often.

      ...and this is the list of people who shouldn't have SUVs...

      • Soccer moms - get a minivan instead.
      • People who have vital jobs (police/fire/nurses/utility crews) in areas that don't suffer severe snowfalls - a Subaru is going to do just as well.
      • People who want a status symbol - get a BMW instead.
    12. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      I hear this all the time, and I have the same response: on an ordinary road, 4WD provides almost ZERO advantage in the snow over FWD. None. Zip. Zilch.

      If you've lost front traction on a flat, featureless road, chances are you've lost rear traction as well. On a bumpy road, 4 drive wheels means you (basically) double your chance of rubber meeting road. On a featureless snowy road, that chance approaches zero because there is little or no variation in surface.

      If you drive into a ditch or median you may have a better chance of getting out, or if you snap your struts on a curb you might be able to limp better than a 4WD, but those advantages are marginal and by then you're already in trouble anyway.

    13. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      limp better than a 4WD

      er, than a FWD.

    14. Re:The SUV by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

      I hate the SUV.

      Don't hate the vehicle. That's like blaming guns for murders. Hate SUV owners...

    15. Re:The SUV by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times that my Ford Explorer has gotten me (or, better put, others) out of trouble, mostly from people driving their front wheel drive econoboxes in the snow like it was the Indy 500.

      Heh. Where I live (Baltimore,) there are plenty of coffee-canned-for-performance econoboxes and SUVs to go around. What's more, we get enough snow that it hits a few times every winter, but not enough snow to for the city to qualify as "a city that gets snow". An inch causes consternation; three closes school; six shuts the city down.

      Anyhow. The vehicles, and their drivers.

      The Uber-Civics assume that, because they have zippy, lightweight front-wheel drive, they can drive like bats out of hell and stop on a dime.

      By contrast, the Hummers et. al. assume that, because they have strong, beefy four-wheel drive, they can drive like bats out of hell and stop on a dime.

      Of course, both sets of vehicles have roughly identical braking capabilities in snow--that is, utterly abysmal.

      The econoboxes, by nature of their lightweight frame, plow about a foot into the snowbank, get lifted off the ground, and sit there looking all stupid 'cuz the 3-foot aluminum wing doesn't do jack shit if you're not moving. (I have yet to develop the heart to tell them that it's just as effective whilst cruising at 70 down residential streets, but this is for another time.)

      The SUVs, by nature of their heavy frame, plow about four feet into the snow, where (to their shock and horror) the drivers discover that even their very, very masculine car can get high-centered. (You haven't lived until you've seen a Hummer owner waiting for a tow out of a snowbank.) Such high centering is invariably accompanied by heated cell phone calls, gratuitous gesticulation at various things, and the careful brushing of snow from various articles of outerwear.

      (Now, I'd never want to drive my Civic in the mountains after a snowfall--that's just suicide. The vast, vast majority of SUV owners, though, live in urban areas and use them for freeway commuting, shuttling kids, and grocery detail...)

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    16. Re:The SUV by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Interesting
      There's no way that a small passenger car is going to get through the roads after an overnight, two foot snowstorm.

      Tell that to the Jeep I pulled out of the snow with my 1987 Golf (1) GL. SUVs are worthless on snow. American SUVs are worthless in general. I can honestly say that I have not ever seen a double-bogey Explorer (or whatever it was) more pitiful than last week at Tryvann ski center. 25 cm with snow at it was stuck and had to be pulled out and to asphalt with a tractor.

    17. Re:The SUV by conan_albrecht · · Score: 1

      I respectfully disagree. I grew up in the mountains of Utah, and I have a 4WD truck that I take off-road quite often. I also have a FWD van and have owned several FWD cars. The FWD is great in the snow on regular roads, but the 4WD truck is simply better on both regular roads and offroad.

      The reason for this is most of the time traction is not zero, as you say. Traction might be zero once in a while (such as braking), but 90 percent of the time four wheels is simply better than two. At least, that's my experience.

    18. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      Like most tools, don't hate the tool, hate the person who missuses it

      you can't judge and classify all SUV owners. creating a list of appropriate uses is not a solution.

      better would be to compensate for the possibility of misuse - perhaps by modifying the testing or licensing requirements. using an SUV as a status symbol doesn't automatically qualify as misuse.

    19. Re:The SUV by eidolons · · Score: 1
      I hate SUV owners who decide to purchase their urban tanks for the wrong "safety" reasons. These people do assume that they will be safer in these vehicles, but it's also safe to assume they realize that their own personal safety will come at the cost of whomever they get into an accident WITH.

      I've had my eye on those mini coopers for awhile, but sadly, I know that in off-kilter SUV to Econo-vehicles, a collision with an SUV would probably absolutly demolish the Cooper, while the SUV would drive away unhindered and safely cacooned in their 2 tons of metal.

      It bothers me that SUV owners don't think of this simple fact - they are literally buying their safety away from others.

      BUT let me add: if you acutally use an SUV for proper reasons, congratulations, get it dirty and drive over mountains and stuff. Otherwise, don't be selfish please, sell it. Save some gas, save a bloody miniture ocean of natural oil, and get to your shopping mall like any other sane, rational human being.

    20. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      > The reason for this is most of the time
      > traction is not zero, as you say.

      the point is that in a no-traction situation (e.g. a slideout or a fishtail) rear wheels won't be able to grab any better than front wheels. ignoring the presence of chains - if your rear wheels lose traction, you will slide whether or not they are spinning. on a flat road, it's just as easy to do a 360 in a 4WD as in a 2WD.

      simply better than two. At least, that's my experience.

      if i had an explanation of HOW I would be inclined to believe this.

    21. Re:The SUV by Compenguin · · Score: 1

      But a Subaru is practically an SUV, they are now starting to classify their sedans as light trucks.

    22. Re:The SUV by RevMike · · Score: 1

      But a Subaru is practically an SUV, they are now starting to classify their sedans as light trucks.

      The Subarus I am familiar with still sit low, and so have the same handling and stability qualities as a car. Therefore they're not as dangerous to other motorists as SUVs. I'd be interested to know if Subara wants to be a light truck so they could duck fuel economy of safety requirements.

    23. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      just so you don't think i'm a completely didactic asshole (i am tho) and i don't think my sense of physics is too far off, i tried to find something to corroborate what i was spewing. see this guy's site. seems fairly unbiased, and it says basically that once moving, 4wd provides no safety advantage because it provides no additional steering traction, which is what i was saying.

    24. Re:The SUV by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      I hate the car in general. I love my mobile phone. It's the not mobile phone's fault if you only want to use it to bug other people but don't like them bugging you in response.

    25. Re:The SUV by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      I drive a Ford Escort Wagon, no ABS, no traction-control, no electronics in the mix besides engine timings, and it handles BEAUTIFULLY in the snow if you know how to drive. I agree with the parent that the VAST majority of accidents in foul weather are from people not understanding the physics of braking and steering.

      As for ABS brakes, they're great if you know what they are and how to use them, but I've been rear-ended THREE TIMES by kids who slammed on the brakes only to back off once they felt the 'kicking' of ABS start, they thought it was their brakes failing. I think I've seen studies that show that they've probably caused as many accidents as they've prevented. I can't stand ABS brakes, braking is a very important function of the car that I'd like as much control of as possible, and as few things possible to go wrong.

      As for SUV observations, I've noticed that SUV drivers tend to fall into two categories: One is the testosterone crowd who push ANY type of car beyond reasonable limits and end up rolling over/crashing/or spinning out. The other type drives their giant 4WD tank as if it were a honda civic that they can't see the back of, never actually taking advantage of their superior ground clearance and extended suspension.

      How many times do you see girls backing out of a spot at the grocery and they have to make five attempts because they can't judge the distance between the back of their car to a parked vehicle? I can reliably place my car within a 5cm of any point outside the vehicle, because I spent the time to practice and LEARN my car. But then again, I like driving in Boston and Manhattan too, I must be a whacko.

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    26. Re:The SUV by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

      I know that in off-kilter SUV to Econo-vehicles, a collision with an SUV would probably absolutly demolish the Cooper, while the SUV would drive away unhindered and safely cacooned in their 2 tons of metal.

      Actually, ironically, most SUV owners do not know even how to properly drive their own vehicles. So chances are, they would roll over before even touching your vehicle. :)

      -B

      PS I've been looking at the Subaru WRX, SUV abilities without the SUV'ness.

    27. Re:The SUV by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      Ya know....your post reminded me of something. I've got an escort (98, no ABS). And I know you're supposed to "pump the breaks". But I'll be damned if anyone ever told me what that really means.

      So you're supposed to pulse them...how fast? 1x/sec? 2x/sec? 1x/2secs? Let go all the way? Just a little and then go back down? I try to do it, but I have a really hard time, since I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing with my foot. Damn crappy driver's ed classes...

      That said, I hate SUVs in the wrong setting. Not cuz of the gas or anything, but just cuz they're impossible to see around. Half the bay area has them, and I've thought of getting one for the sole reason of being able to see around the other ones. I like to watch way down the road, and I just can't even see two cars up now...

    28. Re:The SUV by Compenguin · · Score: 1

      Here are two articles about the reclassification:

      NY Times

      International Herald Tribune

    29. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a very simple reason that 4 wheels are better than two.

      For the purposes of this exp, assume two cars, one 2wd, and one 4wd, both being entirely the same otherwise. The most important quality is this: they both put 200ft. lbs. of torque to the driveline.

      Now, in the 2wd car, when on a slippery surface, each of the two drive wheels gets 100ft. lbs of torque applied to it.

      However, in a 4wd, each of the four drive wheels gets only 50 ft. lbs of torque. Because of this, you need less friction in order to maintain traction.

      This is a very simple example, since many advanced 4wd's do much more than put 1/4 of the total engine power to each wheel (and more goodies like limited slip differentials, etc.)

      4wd is all about maintaining your grip on the road by distributing your torque to multiple drive wheels, so that each can operate with less friction. This helps in acceleration, and controlling the vehicle.

      If you want to see some cool videos, I believe Ford recently released some videos showing off their new 4wd system which show two ford explorers (both identical except one 4wd and the other 2wd) competing in an off road race. It's really neat to watch the 2wd spin out, fly off the road, and do 360's around curves while the 4wd version hugs the turns like an indy car =P

      If that doesn't sink in, think about this: Most high performance race cars are All Wheel Drive for (you guessed it!) better traction and handling!

      Fedaykin

    30. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate SUVs mainly because the headlights are at exactly the right height to bounce off of my side mirrors and strike me directly in the eyes. There's not a lot the owner can do about that.

      See, to me it's more like hating dirty bombs for all the deaths by radiation poisoning.

    31. Re:The SUV by denks · · Score: 0

      And I hate small front wheel drive pieces of cheap rubbish.

      Oh look...there goes a car thats bigger than mine...lets ban it because it makes me look cheap!

      Sorry to say, I get a 4 wheel drive (or SUV as you Americans like to call them) for a number of reasons, none of which I have to justify to anyone else.

      SUV's are no good in snow blah blah blah. Hey, maybe theres more surfaces in this world than just snow. Ive lost count of the number of "normal" cars that either we have pulled out or seen someone else pulling out of the sand with our off-road vehicles. Same with mud.

      Go out, get a life, and spend your time complaining about things that may make the world a better place.

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    32. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      > However, in a 4wd, each of the four drive
      > wheels gets only 50 ft. lbs of torque. Because
      > of this, you need less friction in order to
      > maintain traction.

      this assumes the conditions allow you to turn torque into greater traction. the torque can't be applied to the road if friction is reduced. good luck trying to hug curves in the snow in a 4wd explorer without cables. you'd have the same result as if you tried to hug a corner with a FWD.

    33. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      If that doesn't sink in, think about this: Most high performance race cars are All Wheel Drive for (you guessed it!) better traction and handling!


      not on (you guessed it) snow and ice

    34. Re:The SUV by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      I used to hate the SUV.

      Now that:
      A.) I have a kid on the way
      B.) I don't want to drive a minivan at 23.
      C.) We plan on moving out of town a bit, and 4wd helps

      I'm kind of looking for a (non-trendy, non-deathtrap) SUV.

      ~Will

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    35. Re:The SUV by Spyky · · Score: 1

      I have a 94 Acura Integra with ABS. Incidentally, I got stuck in my parking space this morning because the slush froze up around my wheel last night. Most likely a 4WD would have gotten me out of there much quicker... but I digress.

      I live in Rochester, NY currently--the snowiest city in North America, according to some. So I have a lot of experience driving in snow, and most people around here do to.

      Regarding ABS or pulsing the brakes. ABS is nice when you are in a panic situation, and slam on your brakes because you aren't thinking about what you should really do. They keep your wheels from entirely locking, so you might actually be able to steer a little bit as you slide. They don't really stop you faster than other methods, but they may allow you to steer away from your previous destination, something you could never do if your wheels are completely locked. Personally, I find my brakes are much more effective at stopping me quickly if I use "threshold braking" that is, I hold the breaks in just a little bit less than what would cause a lock (and the ABS to activate in my car). You can feel the car slide as the wheels lock even in a car without ABS, back off just a little from there and you have threshold braking.

      If I need to steer while braking, even though ABS helps, it is generally better to let off the brake almost entirely. Particularly in snow, it takes a little bit of time for the wheels to actually start moving in the proper direction, and until they do, they are pretty much worthless at steering you.

      Anyway, threshold braking is more effective than pulsing, at least in terms of total distance required to stop. Pulsing is good to allow you to steer for the time when your foot is off the brake. The speed of the pulse isn't important, just let off a bit when you need to steer, then apply the brake again.

      -Spyky

    36. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      However, in a 4wd, each of the four drive wheels gets only 50 ft. lbs of torque. Because of this, you need less friction in order to maintain traction.


      but you need SOME friction to maintain steering traction, and in snow you have close to no steering friction. so the benefits 4WD enjoys on a more grippy surface are minimized to be negligible.


      Most high performance race cars are All Wheel Drive for (you guessed it!) better traction and handling!


      F1 and indy cars are 2WD, but I agree they might benefit from 4WD. Rally cars are mostly 4WD.

    37. Re:The SUV by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      You need an SUV. The average Atlanta soccor mom doesn't need an SUV to drive the kids up 400 to soccer practce.

    38. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone gave a shit about any other persons saftey on the road, we'd all be driving motorcycles.

    39. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to misunderstand the argument. The point is that when the total engine power is divided between 4 wheels instead of two, there is less friction needed to maintain traction. The point is to apply just enough torque to do what you want without applying so much torque to the wheel that you exceed the force of static friction.

      It all boils down to a simple physics 101 equation:

      Force (of static friction) = Normal Force (weight) * coefficient of static friction > Torque applied to 1 wheel.

      or

      (F = n * u) > T (1 wheel)

      If the torque (T) you apply to 1 wheel exceed the force of static friction (F), it will slip, and the wheel will spin. A 4wd works by applying the total torque to all four wheels, therefore reducing the torque applied to each individual one.

      I'm not going to bother explaining this equation further to you. If you are not familiar with it, do yourself a favor and look it up.

      That said:
      Of course, a 4wd is not some kind of silver bullet, it cannot maintain traction under all conditions. What it does to is allow the vehicle to maintain traction when others cannot. The same principal (explained above) is used when you start your car in 2nd or 3rd if your wheels are spinning. In this case, you are applying less torque (because you have a different gear ratio) and therefore you have a better chance of not exceeding the force of static friction.

      This ends the physics 101 lesson....

      Fedaykin

    40. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not, but the same principal applies.

      It is not possible to maintain traction under all conditions. A 4WD (or AWD) just allows you to maintain traction better than a 2wd vehicle.

    41. Re:The SUV by Moofie · · Score: 1

      DAMN YOU AND YOUR...FACTS!

      I rode in a brand new Explorer today (which, incidentally, is not measurably different from a ten year old Explorer). I was stunned at how little leg room there was in the back seat.

      What a stupid vehicle.

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    42. Re:The SUV by La+Fortezza · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about tall people?

      I'm 6'4" and I cannot comfortably fit into a small SUV let alone a car. The only choice for me is a full size truck or a Suburban/Excursion/etc. I had a 1989 Toyota Camry in college and it was painful on the knees. It's pretty much the same type of pain as sitting in a movie theatre seat or amusement park ride; they were made for Joe Sixpack not the Jolly Green Giant.

      Some people have suggested I get the new Mini Cooper, tear out the driver seat and sit in the back. =)

    43. Re:The SUV by La+Fortezza · · Score: 1

      What you europeans need are full-size American pickup trucks, like the Chevrolet 1 ton dually 4x4. With the Duramax diesel engine, you'll get 20mpg (8.5 km/litre).

    44. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing spices up an SUV more than rims. I have 26" Giovanna Abruzzo rims on my Cadillac Escalade. You need to have the bling-bling, yo. So what if the rims alone cost ya 6 large.

    45. Re:The SUV by skzbass · · Score: 0

      Hey, that soccer mom needs the SUV. Otherwise she would have to learn how to drive. the nice thing about SUV's is everyone stays a bit father away.

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    46. Re:The SUV by skzbass · · Score: 0

      the Forester is a LUV (Lesbian Utility Vehicle) no offence

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    47. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      > You seem to misunderstand the argument.

      well, thanks for trying to clarify. look at the whole thread - i'm not arguing that 4WD provides superior handling in most conditions, but i am saying that in snow and ice, 4WD provides no significant control/safety advantage.

      my physics IS rusty, and maybe I missed your point. but isn't your equation ignoring the lateral component of the force in a turn which slides the tail out? the torque on the fixed back wheels is only applied in the direction of the driveline - a slide would begin if this lateral inertial force exceeded the opposing lateral frictional force. since there is little lateral torque, the vehicle fishtails. and since the coefficient of friction is so low on snow and ice, the force required is much lower.

    48. Re:The SUV by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      i'm not arguing that 4WD provides

      doh, should say "doesn't provide"

    49. Re:The SUV by skzbass · · Score: 0

      this is true for the older 4wd models. The Subarus's (at least the newer ones and some others) have a intelligent system where it routes power where you need it. In the snow this is a great thing. when you start fish tailing out of a bend and the rear wheel drive kicks in it will help a lot. But never under estimate the effect of a pair of good snow tires, these will make the most difference.

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    50. Re:The SUV by skzbass · · Score: 0

      the ABS pulses the barakes at 18x a second so.... fast as you can chief. but as long as its still braking.

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    51. Re:The SUV by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Then don't buy one.

      I hate it when people can't mind their own damn business.

    52. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rednecks with over-sized diesel pick-up trucks. tailgating bastards.

    53. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ground clearance is measured from the lowest-hanging part of the vehicle. The majority of the Ford Explorer undercarriage is higher off the ground than the number indicates.

    54. Re:The SUV by sjames · · Score: 1

      'Pumping the brakes' is a very loose term. The objective is to learn to feel traction beginning to break, and gently backing off the brakes to prevent it. Once traction returns to full, gently re-apply pressure to find the maximum braking point.

      All of that happens quite quickly. A skilled driver can do a better job than ABS. Of course, most drivers never learn any of this. It's certainly not a part of most driver's ed or private driving schools (other than specialist schools for racing).

      This is somewhat like learning to control steering skid. With decent and practiced reflexes, it's fairly easy to break a skid, but without it, you'll equally easily oversteer into a ditch once the front wheels get traction again (which tends to happen in an instant).

      The best way to learn is a big flat area free of obstructions in a car with a decent wheelbase and low CG.

    55. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I still hate your SUV. Hate. Hate Hate. Your car is everyone's business. That's why they have to be licensed. And your dog. I hate your dog. Especially if it's a half hemi, double wide, infina-bogey (or what the fuck ever.) Hate hate hate.

    56. Re:The SUV by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I'm 6' 5" and drive a Nissan Stanza (about the same size and vintage as your Toyota). I can fit into most cars without problems, and I can drive my little Nissan for hours in comfort. Actually, most sedans I find comfortable, even the small ones like the Civic and Sentra. The worst vehicles if you ask me are the small and midsize SUVs and pickups, they are just tiny on the inside.

      Then there are the newer cars/SUVs with the sloping roofs - while they have plenty of room on the inside, I'm left staring at the sun visor instead of out the windsheild. Those are a totally different issue though.

    57. Re:The SUV by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of looking for a (non-trendy, non-deathtrap) SUV.

      That doesn't really exist, as the non-deathtrap SUVs are the ones that are the most car-like, and these are the most trendy ones. Plus the car-like ones are useless in any situation where you need a 4x4. I'd just get a car myself. I'm guessing you don't really need a 4x4 (just gravel roads?), and the car is much safer and cooler than a SUV. But that's just me.

    58. Re:The SUV by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      You know, I don't really care about the issue one way or another, but I do find it interesting that your source is Ford marketing videos, and the person you're arguing against is actually digging up objective, third party sources.

    59. Re:The SUV by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      It's actually really weird -- I don't know about other large SUVs, but the Explorer really is surprisingly awful when it comes to leg room.

    60. Re:The SUV by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      They don't really stop you faster than other methods, but they may allow you to steer away from your previous destination, something you could never do if your wheels are completely locked.

      Actually, I believe that you are not correct. Maximum "Static" friction that one surface can exert on another is greater than the maximum of the other type (sorry, forget the name...been a while since physics) of friction, the type between moving surfaces. Pulsing the brakes approximates hitting the brakes as hard as you can without actually starting to slide, since static friction is playing a role.

      I believe that ABS still (though this could be out of date) can be outdone in practice by a human very familiar with a car's characteristics and the surface they are driving on, like professional race car drivers, since they can very accurately judge the point at which they will begin to slide, and keep the brake just below that.

    61. Re:The SUV by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I just can't figure out the appeal. They're uncomfortable, noisy, heavy, and can't do ANYTHING you can't do with a Subaru AWD station wagon.

      "I like to sit up high!"

      Yeah, and screw anybody who wants to see around you.

      "It's safer for my kids!"

      No it's not, and it's thrice as dangerous for everybody else's.

      Ugh. Stupid fad.

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    62. Re:The SUV by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      who slammed on the brakes only to back off once they felt the 'kicking' of ABS start, they thought it was their brakes failing.

      That's very strange. In driving school (and I have had my license for, oh, 9 years) they insisted on the fact that "if you have ABS push the break and ignore the noise". I have driven 5 years without ABS, and now my car has ABS. First time it kicked in (summer tires on snow - not a good idea), I thought like "hey, what's that?.. Oh, ABS, don't worry".

      I can understand a 60 year old that has driven over 30 years with a non-ABS car gets scared of the noise and let's loose, but young kids should have been warned during their driving education.

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    63. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a slide would begin if this lateral inertial force exceeded the opposing lateral frictional force."

      This is correct, and if all four wheels were locked in position (i.e. straight ahead) then there would be little or nothing to stop the slide. However, In addition to reducing the amount of friction needed to maintain traction, a 4wd also gives you four wheels to pull the car with.

      In the situation you describe, when the rear wheels begin to slip laternally, they will also begin to spin, so the front wheels then take over the job of pulling the vehicle. Since they are turned they can act (better) against the lateral motion of the vehicle. (only a slide that was exactly 90 degrees off of the direction of movement would not be affected by the torque applied by the wheels). Of course, if you are an idiot and are gunning it through the turn, your front wheels will just slip too. Like I said, 4wd is not a silver bullet.

      > but i am saying that in snow and ice, 4WD provides no significant control/safety advantage.

      I had not realized that was all you were saying. Please accept my apologies.

      However, a 4wd still provides much better traction on snow and ice than a 2wd. Snow and ice is very difficult to navigate, but a 4wd vehicle has many advantages against a 2wd (I only list some of the biggies):

      1.) 4 wheels to move the car = better control on any surface (better chance of attaining traction somewhere).

      2.) Superior power distribution (what I've mostly been talking about)

      3.) More normal force (4wd are usually heavier)

      4.) More normal force in the right place (above the drive wheels.) This is why a Front wheel drive is better off than a rear wheel drive. On a FWD you have the engine weight applying more normal force = more force of static friction. On a 4WD, you get both the benefits of this and #2.

      I could blather on with some physics showing why ice isn't as bad as you think (though still very bad). However, I'm far too lazy (and busy) to do that (plus with a little effort and research you can do it yourself. All it is is a little critical thought + F = n * u), so I'll leave you with just some anicdotal evidence that ties in with your fishtailing example:

      I live in Colorado, and we gets lots of snow storms, and without fail we get very slick back roads (the ones they don't plow, etc.) for about a week after each one. Anyway, I recently "angered" one of my friends when I accidentally demonstrated the benefits of a 4wd over a 2wd when cornering in icy conditions:

      Fishtailing is hard to do if you are in a 4wd and driving responsibly, especially in a newer vehicle with auto hubs. My truck has auto hubs, and it's very fun to feel the car start to fish tail, and then have the 4wd kick in and feel the front wheels stablize the fishtailing and pull you through the turn.

      You see, in a 2wd, if the drive wheels loose traction then they no longer push the vehicle forward, and the only force is then the centrifugal force (which is what cases the lateral movement in a fishtail). However, with a 4wd, you have a greater chance of keeping traction in all four wheels, and if you loose it in the rear wheels, the front wheels still pull the car through the turn, and the kenetic friction still present in the spinning wheels will help straighten out the car (sorry if it's not clear why, but I'm not particularly good at explaining this kind of stuff in words alone).

      This is a great demonstration of the assistance that a 4wd can provide in this type of situation (find a friend that has a car with auto hubs and try it!). My friend was very "angry" when he felt this in my truck, since his 2wd would just fishtail through the icy turn if he tried to take it any where near as fast as I did.

      In any case, you still need a good driver (i.e. drive at a sane speed for the conditions, etc.) for any vehicle to operate safely. 4wd is a proven technology, it's just that too many people misunderstand it, and think it allows you to drive on ice like you would dry pavement (which it certainly doe snot), or they think 4wd == 4 wheel stop.

      Anyway, I've spent far too much time on this already...

      Fedaykin

    64. Re:The SUV by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      My best friend is 200cm tall (calculate yourself, I'm not good at american measurements). He drives a Fiat Bravo. He's has got space enough.
      Of course, he doesn't fit in *my* car, but that's because it's a two seater and somehow two-seaters are always built for people that are 180cm tall.

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    65. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever, I never proposed those marketing videos as "sources" but rather as something interesting to see. The only sources I need are:

      a.) A working knowledge of the physics involved

      b.) and 20+ years of experience driving in ice and snow (gotta love Colorado!) with both 2wd and 4wd vehicles.

      I'm posting on Slashdot, not writing a doctorial thesis...

      Fedaykin

    66. Re:The SUV by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1

      SUVs aren't the problem. As you demonstrate, the problem lies with the driver. If you know your vehicle's abilities and you know your abilities, you shouldn't get into trouble. If you've never used 4WD before, get some tow straps and a friend who knows what they're doing to go take you off-roading some time for fun so you have the skills before you need them. Trust me, it helps. Consider reading your vehicle's manual mandatory, it will tell you things like if you need to back up to unlock the hubs when shifting to 2WD, and that shift on the fly means 15 MPH or less (as opposed to a dead stop).

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    67. Re:The SUV by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Kind advice: Audi Allroad (or any of their Quattro models) or Volvo XC70 or XC90 (one of them is a SUV though).

      You don't need to have a SUV, to have a practical 4WD car. Besides, the cars mentioned above are way more sexy than any SUV I've seen. (Okay, I like the BMW X5, X3 and the Merceds M-class, but you wouldn't catch me buying any of those because I like to have my ass close to the asphalth, and I still have 4WD)

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    68. Re:The SUV by tmortn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't get yoru argument against the ( admittedly annoying ) SUV soccer mom. You know if the MPG is essentially the same in minivans and an SUV.. whats the big deal ?

      Most people are not bitching about the platform of a Minivan vrs an SUV. What it seems to me they are really bitching about is the common option of a big powerful V-8 in SUV's. Case in point the Dodge Durango with its 5.7 litre HEMI getting a cool 14mpg. But its not like minivans do so much beter. Town and Countries get about 18mpg. Most all other SUV's do better than the Durango, Hell Expeditions get 18 or so and 20+ on the road with a 5.6 and do better with the 4.9 or V-6 option. SUV's tend to have much heavier duty frames as well which means more durable.

      Why is it so surprising that people choose a vehicle with more power, better driveability, better re-sale value, and better status symbol ? Especially when in general the MPG gap is so small ? The question of get an Explorer/Cherokee/4runner etc... or get a cheap minivan is rather simple in my book.

      Sure, Minivans have gads more storage space but in the end SUV's move your average family around in style and comfort. You can Carpool more people with a Minivan I grant but that is generally not going to be greater than 50% of your driving. In general for a family a Minivan will not be appealing till your are constantly carrying more than 3 sizeable passengers.

      Everyone just take a deep breath regarding SUV's. When gas prices go through the roof people will be buying econo boxes left and right, remember the 80's ?

      You want more people to drive minivans than urban assault vehicles ??? Its simple. Just find a way for doing so to make enough economic sense to compensate for the bruising your typical Male ego takes when crammed into a Minivan. An extra couple hundred bucks in gas a year aint gonna do it. Get up around a thousand and your in business. Not to mention you have to convince all those wonderfull soccer moms that have come to appreciate SUV's status value and sense of POWER. Again a couple hundred bucks savings a year in gas dosn't provide the incentive to go for the minivan, they spend more than that on new shoes for similar reasons. The storage space is in general meaningless as well becasue most SUV's have enough for the typical family.

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    69. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Forester is a LUV (Lesbian Utility Vehicle)

      You mean I can get some hot lesbian three-way action if I own a forester? Ow man, why did it take me so long to find THAT out!? *walks off to buy a forester*

    70. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that with my positively tiny econobox once. Unless the traffic island is built like it will withstand a german invasion, a regular car will cross it just as well.

    71. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teacher: Billy, listen to me, this is very important. When you brake, and you hear a weird noise, that's ABS. Do not stop braking because of the noise!

      Billy the kid: Yeah, sure, whatever. *pops bubblegum*


      Assuming kids pay attention in class is a bit too much imho.

    72. Re:The SUV by MrEd · · Score: 1
      Everything but the rear differential casing from the honking live rear axle, right?


      Be that as it may my point stands.

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    73. Re:The SUV by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      Well, that's why you have to get out onto some ice late at night some time and try it. There's no magic number to how many pumps per second it takes to regain traction, but with even a few minutes of 'icy parking lot' training you should be confident in your low-traction abilities.

      Another poster (the next after you in this thread) and I share the POV that the best way isn't even to pump, but to find when the wheels lock and back out slightly from there, you get maximum traction.

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    74. Re:The SUV by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      Eh, gravel + snow is really what I'm worried about, but it's not a requirement. It would be nice to have 4wd, though.

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    75. Re:The SUV by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I don't see what your point is. Ground clearance is only as high as the lowest hanging part. If there is a part hanging down, it's not going to clear the ground.

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    76. Re:The SUV by ttsalo · · Score: 0
      It bothers me that SUV owners don't think of this simple fact - they are literally buying their safety away from others.

      What makes you think they aren't aware of this fact?

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    77. Re:The SUV by tommck · · Score: 1

      That's funny... I have the exact opposite experience with snow... Seems every butt nugget with a 4x4 SUV thinks that they're not infallible in snow and ice and drive like a bunch of idiots in the winter... Guess it's a geographical thing... I'm in Maryland, USA... almost nobody knows how to drive in bad weather here. Being from New England, it's one of the first things you learn there...

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    78. Re:The SUV by Reapy · · Score: 1

      Check out a Subaru. Since you only have one kid on the way, you just need something with 4 doors. My fionce has a civic and theres a ton of room back there, can comfortably fit two adults, so fitting two children would be no problem. But you need some 4wd action so that's why I say subaru. We've always had one in the family and now i'm a prowd owner of a wrx myself. It's got 4 doors and a child seat in the back, though it is tight back there. The awd is great, and will get you up steep driveways and over small messes of snow no problem. That's all you should need really unless you are offroading. For better traction, get some snowtires, and you can plow through streets comfortably at 40 that are covered in snow.

    79. Re:The SUV by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      I listened, didn't I? Besides theoretical drivers exam is pretty hard, no way you get it without paying attention and studying. On top of that you have a mandatory skidding course when you got your license for 6 months. You'll hear your ABS on that course, believe me.

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    80. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 6'6" and I drive a 93 Mazda RX-7. Only came in a two seater, had to remove the stupid plastic bins from behind the seats to gain about 1.5 inches of rearward movement of the seats. This is a sports car and was not designed for someone more than about 180cm tall, but it works comfortably.

      In my experience mose "big" american cars are too small on the inside, but most "small" jap cars are just right with a few adjustments. A Honda CRX will seat someone of almost any size due to the seat adjustments alone.

      But try sitting inside something like a camaro or firebird, I couldn't operate the gas when I drove one because my shoe would get caught by the stupid plastic from the dash when I tried to let off. And the back seat was a joke, unless you happen to be a case of dr pepper.

    81. Re:The SUV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone has never seen Chasing Amy. Ok, the easter bunny, Santa Claus and...

    82. Re:The SUV by Spyky · · Score: 1

      We are both correct. Static friction is greater than dynamic friction. That is why preventing the wheels from slipping *at all* (threshold braking) is more effective than letting them slip (slamming the brakes). ABS does something in between. It alternately slams and releases the brakes. This allows the wheel to spin a little in between (and hopefully regain static friction), which also lets you steer, since the wheels must be turning to have any effect. When it slams the brakes again, it does have the effect of slowing the car, until the static friction is broken and the wheel locks, then it repeats the process.

      My statements were based on my (frequent) observation that I can bring my car to a stop much more quickly in the snow by easing up a little on the brake, and not letting the wheels slip (and ABS activate). On rainy or dry pavement, this is much more difficult (and requires greater speed and braking force), this is where ABS (or professional race car drivers) is useful, in snow, if you know what you are doing, you are much better off without it.

      -Spyky

    83. Re:The SUV by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      Hmm that's more or less what I've always done, so I guess I'm in better shape than I thought.

      But re: practicing on on an icy parking lot, I live in California, so that's difficult to do without terrifying a lot of people in an ice rink...

  13. I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by Eric+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've long thought that television was both the best and worst invention of the twentieth century.

    1. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by chrootstrap · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As for the 20th century, I've recently figured automobiles were the worst of the lot (though they were invented before 1900, it is much more the 20th century mass adoption with which I am concerned):

      Until about than one-hundred years ago, human beings lived without cars. Now, one of the most common indicators of industrial development is the prevalence with which cars are distributed among the population. In the US, the majority of households own a car, many having more than one. One of the rites of passages for our youths, is the acquisition and use of a driving license. Our cities are now designed primarily with routing for automobile traffic; foot traffic is verbotten in most areas of the roads and cyclists are highly confined when sharing the road with cars. The most natural of human exercises and one of the most unique human movements, walking, has now nearly disappeared from many people's lives. I want to point out some of the many reasons why I believe that cars have had the most destructive application of any of humankind's inventions. For while the most terrifying instruments of human creation, those used in wars, are of clear and prominent danger and thus in cautious application, cars have invaded our society to such a thorough degree as to appear ingrained.

      I hope that this examination will encourage you to consider whether you wish to partake in the apparent convienence and isolation of a car, having exposed some of the many costs of cars.

      (1) Car accidents take hundreds of thousands of lives every year. Traveling at speeds of 65+ miles (combining to 130+ in a head on collision) per hour in a 2500 lb metal frame is not an environment in which the human body evolved with regard to. In these types of extreme conditions, our bodies are utterly vulnerable. Upon an accident, the car itself can become a trap. Passangers who are stuck due to structural damage or who are unconscious are in a very dangerous situation, particularly if fire is involved.

      Pedestrians are considerably more vulnerable to the effects of a moving cars huge force. Accidents in which pedestrians are struck have a high fatality rate. And, accidents are not uncommon. The average person experiences several car accidents in their life. Car accidents are one the leading causes of death in our country, particularly among young people.

      These deaths are preventable. If people did not use cars, car accidents would not occur.

      (2) People do not drive very responsibly. For example, the desire for intoxication is an ancient human desire, also being present in other animals. We may socially disapprove of intoxication itself or certain levels of intoxication, but this disapproval has historically not been sufficient to prevent the occurrence, particularly among certain people. Yet, driving a car while under the influence of alcohol has been indesputedly shown as a causitive factor in accidents.

      People may not wish to move in an orderly herd. They may wish to go faster or slower. They may be angry, impatient, tired, distracted, or simply unaware of the danger their vehicle presents to themselves and the people around them. As their mode and focus changes, so does their driving manner. In many, many cases, people drive when their attention is suboptimal and when their driving responses may not be prudent.

      While we may point and say this or that behavior is undesirable, the real crux of the matter is that human choices and temperaments well within the range of normality are simply not compatible with safe driving. We can override the natural (safe) flexibility of human behavior, yet when we become so accustomed, so acclimated to traveling in a car, I believe that we tend to forget just how terribily dangerous a car actually is. An appropriate analogy of driving a car is shooting a gun at one end of a crowded park in an attempt to hit a target on the other end while avoiding hitting people who are walking in and out of the line of fire. Yet, people treat such an activity as though it was just as saf

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    2. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      With the internet as a close second?? (for the same reasons)

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    3. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by Syncdata · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pet theory: Televisions have been around for a long enough period of time, and have been so successful, that even those who were born before it's advent have become completely used to them.
      As for people (such as myself) who have always known television, we don't tend to think of them very much. A small cell phone is still rather novel. The television is so omni-present, that the mind filters it out subconsciously, much like it would a bad odor.
      So when a survey like this comes up, the likelyhood of someone saying television is low, because the mind doesn't even consider it as something that was invented, just something that is.
      And I agree with your analysis, btw

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    4. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

      While this may be true for some people, it is not true for me. TVs emit a loud high-pitched whine that most people don't seem to hear but which is very annoying to me. This could be part of why I don't watch TV.

      That said, I'd definitely vote alarm clock.

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    5. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by unother · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've got the same issue. I remembert reading that it's at the upper edge of the human hearing range and most people aren't very sensitive to sound in that range.

      I remember as a boy remarking that someone's television was on just from that sound, and a lot of times people would be startled, like I had some bizarre ESP.

    6. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear that sound also, and I don't mind it while I'm watching tv, but when i'm not, or someone is wearing headphones or something, i find it terrible.

    7. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      I hear that too, especially on the cheaper/older TVs. It's the sound of the flyback transformer doing its thing. It takes a high potential to fling electrons around like your TV does.

      I'd suggest getting a better TV or, better still, a TV with an LCD/Plasma-based display instead of a CRT-based one.

    8. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

      Err. I'll just use my computer, thank you very much. I don't watch TV and I don't want to, so I don't own one. It's other people's TVs that are annoying.

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    9. Re:I'm amazed that television didn't rank higher by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      Good point. I don't have a TV either.

      Anyways, monitors are much easier on the eyes.

  14. Re:Don't hate the cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..on the road ..in the theater ..in the restaurant ..in line at the supermarket ..at the office ..at school

    Yep. Plenty of Hate.

  15. How about? by atari2600 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Email?
    Television?

    Oops people do hate TVs and computers. I sometimes hate computers but the article says people hate razors? Dang - i love my Gillette Mach III. The only thing i would really hate is the battery - i need it really bad but hate the short life and the need to keep hunting for an electrical socket after a few hours - this thing called the battery is present in everything i kinda hate - cellphone, mp3 player, gameboy, laptop - a good part of the hate being that the battery life isn't great.

    Just my 0.02$

    1. Re:How about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gillette only paid you $0.02 for your endorsement?

      Oh right, they know *real* geeks don't shave.

    2. Re:How about? by pod · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. Mach 3 is nice, as far as razors go. You need a razor cause you're supposed to look presentable for work, and taking the current definition of 'presentable'... the bad part is the shaving. I, and many other men, hate shaving. There's just no upside there; it's sharp metal on your skin. I'd love to do without it, and if there was a razor-less shaver out there, I'd ditch the Mach 3 like a bad habit.

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  16. The cell phone doesn't have to be this way. by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The interconnectedness you get from the cell phone is a very positive thing, ... The downside of that is that you sometimes want to be alone," said Lemelson Center Director Merton C. Flemings.

    So turn it off.

    1. Re:The cell phone doesn't have to be this way. by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      Sometimes my land line rings and I think "there is noone I really want to talk to right now and I just ignore it.
      It is quite simple, really.

    2. Re:The cell phone doesn't have to be this way. by jameson71 · · Score: 1

      Try explaining that to your wife or girlfriend.

    3. Re:The cell phone doesn't have to be this way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow some balls Nancy.

    4. Re:The cell phone doesn't have to be this way. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Okay. I have excellent communications skills. If you pay me, I'll even explain it to YOUR wife or your girlfriend. Or both.

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  17. One word. by numbski · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Badger Badger Badger Badger

    Mushroom! Mushroom!

    Snaaaaaake!

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    1. Re:One word. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      You fucking bastard. I spent three weeks getting that out of my brain the last time. I can only hope that eventually the badger will just disappear from memespace.

    2. Re:One word. by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      Apparently, the "Badger Badger" song has destroyed the part of numbski's brain that can differentiate between one and seven. This disorder is also known as heptibadgeritis.

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  18. Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    My most hated inventions:
    1. Lists that serve no real purpose
    2. Gas chambers
    3. Nuclear Weaponry
    4. Chem/Bio Weaponry
    5. Automatic guns


    I rather like my phone as it saved me from a flat tire once and is less likely to kill people that a stupid list.
    1. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whats wrong with auto guns? They are great you only have to press the trigger once.

    2. Re:Also by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      easy, worst invention of all time: Land Mines, they kill and maim innocents years after a conflict is over

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    3. Re:Also by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      "I rather like my phone as it saved me from a flat tire once..."

      Me too...I took the antenna off and plugged the hole with it.

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  19. invention I can't live without yet hate?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    obvious: slashdot

  20. Guns don't kill people.... by MuckSavage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the cell phone itself, it's the asshole who is too busy talking on it to realize there is a world going on around them that is hated.

    1. Re:Guns don't kill people.... by HardCase · · Score: 1

      Amen, brother!!!

    2. Re:Guns don't kill people.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's not the cell phone itself, it's the asshole who is too busy talking on it to realize there is a world going on around them that is hated.
      Or the asshole in the movie theatre with the light-up cellphone screen, trying to be as conspicuous as possible. Apparently no one told this prick that cellphones haven't been a status symbol for about 5 years now.
  21. that's SO funnay!!!!!111oneoneone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously, dood

  22. Are people really this stupid? by doomdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The cell phone is nothing but a tool... When you need one, they're very handy. When you don't want to be bothered by it, you use the OFF button. Have people forgotten that these things can be turned off? Or that the ringer can be silenced?

    The total inability to properly use a piece of technology shouldn't make it a "bad" piece of technology...

    1. Re:Are people really this stupid? by lost+in+place · · Score: 1

      The cell phone is nothing but a tool... When you need one, they're very handy. When you don't want to be bothered by it, you use the OFF button.


      The car is really nothing but a tool. When you need one, they're very handy. When you don't, all of our cities magically shrink back to walkable size, pollution disappears, and all the people who died in traffic fatalities magically come back to life.

      Moral: The effect of a technology is more than just the individual, localized use of it.

    2. Re:Are people really this stupid? by SoSueMe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Are people really this stupid?"

      Yes.

    3. Re:Are people really this stupid? by nmoog · · Score: 1

      Yeah stupid people... Like, I dont NEED to watch tv - if I want to read a book, I just switch off the box... There, its off. Off. But... I think there's that Springer special on at 3. I'll just watch 10 minutes of it.

      Oh, Ive got to SMS my mate to tell him about these transvestite lesbians having a fist fight...

      Can you REALLY just turn em off? These tools are more addictive than caffine to us lowly consumers.

    4. Re:Are people really this stupid? by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly but instead of asking:

      Are people really this stupid?

      I wanted to ask:

      Are people animals?

      This article reminds of those little devices where they have mice and 2 buttons and one button gives a sensation of pleasure while the other gives pain. And the experiment shows that the mice totally overloaded on pleasure until it died of exhaustion. Come on people!

      I mean, I can't believe that guy says that he didnt' subscribe to any subscription but really missed the History Channel. Does he really have no ability of temperance? Has our society really become so gluttonous?

      I watch TV and I have cable (and satellite) but I usually jsut watch the news and the occasional movie. I have a cell phone but I turn it off when I don't want to be disturbed. I use computers at work so I dont' use it at much when I go home. What's so hard about that?

      If there's anything evilly addicitive it's pr0n.

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    5. Re:Are people really this stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, mind if I pop in here and let you know that the god awful analogy you attempted to make your point with only obscured anything you had any intention of saying. In fact, I feel dumber having read it.. twice.

    6. Re:Are people really this stupid? by CitizenJohnJohn · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is not the tool itself, but how poorly it usually works. The sound quality is often very poor, the signal is unreliable and in countries like Australia (big land area, low population) the geographical coverage is abysmal.

      It's very much an 'insufficiently advanced' technology.

      Damn handy, though.

    7. Re:Are people really this stupid? by Coneasfast · · Score: 1

      Have people forgotten that these things can be turned off? Or that the ringer can be silenced?

      yes! in a hospital where cell phones are not allowed to turn on, someone saw the sign "please turn off cell phones", so he phoned his wife, and said "don't call me on my cell phone"

      then placed his cell phone, still on, in his pocket.

      obviously not a very bright man

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    8. Re:Are people really this stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Are people really this stupid?"

      Yes.

      No.

    9. Re:Are people really this stupid? by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1
      Or that the ringer can be silenced?

      The problem is that you can turn off your ringer - but not the ringer of the woman sitting two rows behind you, who needs 10 minutes to find her cell phone in her handbag...

  23. Cell phones make people rude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The interconnectedness you get from the cell phone is a very positive thing

    Yes, except when you're with someone in person and all they want to do is talk on their cell phone: then it makes people rude and unconnected. How many times have I been talking to someone and they have to take a call on their cell phone?

    And maybe it's just that I'm in college and not working, but I'm pretty sure 90% of calls are:
    "Sup"
    "where ya at?"
    "Driving. sup with you"
    "nothing"
    "cant hear you..."
    "nevermind talk to you later"

    And that is why I hate cell phones.

    1. Re:Cell phones make people rude. by Night+Goat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was about to post this exact same comment. It's true, there was once a time where you could expect to get a person's undivided attention. Now, for some magical reason the phone gets priority over the actual person who's there. I'm going to start telling people how rude they are... I don't think they realize it.

    2. Re:Cell phones make people rude. by etwist · · Score: 1
      I think they only make rude people more rude. Decent people apologize when they get a call and either don't answer it or keep it as short as possible. It's not different from being interrupted by a physically present person. I don't know when there was the time, that you
      could expect to get a person's undivided attention
      must have been a great time, though. :) BTW Here in Europe people seem to be quite emotionally attached to their cell phones. Children seem to get one before they even learn the numbers.
    3. Re:Cell phones make people rude. by thelenm · · Score: 1

      You know, I've had the same thing happen at certain places of business, like banks or pizza parlors. I'll be standing there nicely at the counter, having taken the courtesy of moving my physical person to their place of business, and I'll be preempted by someone calling in on the telephone. "Hang on just a second, I have to help this person on the phone." Umm, okay. If I want priority, should I not stand in line, but rather jump the line by staying home and giving you a call?

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    4. Re:Cell phones make people rude. by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that has happened to me, too. I have worked in jobs where you receive phone calls as well as talk to customers face to face, and I would always give walk-in customers priority over phone customers. Sometimes, not often, but sometimes, I would even go so far as to not answer the phone at all. This didn't go over so well with management, but this would be reserved specifically for times where my hands were full, and it would be perceived as extraordinarily rude to drop whatever I was doing and go answer a phone. I only hope the customers realized how courteous I was being.

    5. Re:Cell phones make people rude. by thelenm · · Score: 1

      I just have to say thank you. :-) I hope they realized it, too.

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  24. How short our memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Twain is reputed to have said:

    "I wish everyone the absolute best in the afterlife ... with the sole exception of the inventor of the telephone."

    I'm sure I've managed to mangle the quote, and it may not even be Twain, but still...

    John Roth

    1. Re:How short our memories by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Why would you go to the trouble of saying "The inventor of the telephone" when you could say "Alexander Graham Bell"? Its not like who invented the phone is some big mystery like who invented the wheel.

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    2. Re:How short our memories by obirt · · Score: 1

      Well, in this case, because it would be wrong.

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    3. Re:How short our memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's his email address?

  25. Don't know about you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The downside of that is that you sometimes want to be alone,

    But my phone has an off button.

  26. And yet the most loved.... by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 1

    would include picture phones, SMS, and PDA phones. Maybe it's time for a phone that has all the features of a modern high-end mobile phone (camera, mobile Web, SMS, organizer) just without the voice features?

    1. Re:And yet the most loved.... by Tablizer · · Score: 1


      Most loved: ePorn!

  27. Of course... by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

    I hate cell phones!! I hate people who use them while driving, while around lots of people in public places, and especially in...

    Wait, I've got to take this call...

    <Bows>

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  28. Even it's invention hurts by Elpacoloco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Turn it off and the boss freaks out and fires you. The demand for instant contact has spoiled people somewhat.

    1. Re:Even it's invention hurts by Erick+the+Red · · Score: 1

      Turn it off and the boss freaks out and fires you. The demand for instant contact has spoiled people somewhat.

      Time to get another job.
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    2. Re:Even it's invention hurts by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Funny

      Turn it off and the boss freaks out and fires you.

      Sounds like the boss is the most hated invention.

    3. Re:Even it's invention hurts by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      If those calls take place during personal time, negotiate for on-call pay. (Generally around 1/4 your hourly rate.)

    4. Re:Even it's invention hurts by JPriest · · Score: 1

      That is unless you are salary.

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    5. Re:Even it's invention hurts by nordicfrost · · Score: 1
      Who is the boss after you punch out? If your contract doesn't state that you are on work (or call) 24/7, turn it off. If your boss wants to call you all the time, get another boss.

      (And if you are a sysadmin, get a really good wtchdog system that delivers failure messages to your pager and keep the pager a secret.)

    6. Re:Even it's invention hurts by pod · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you're not being paid to be on-call 24x7. Maybe the cell phone isn't the problem here?

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    7. Re:Even it's invention hurts by jburroug · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It seems that an increasing number of employers treat their salaried employees like wireless minutes: free on nights and weekends. I know the owner of the place I work at feels that way, and not just about the IT staff and not just about work for the company. For the past two months our facility maintinence staff have been working 12 hour days rennovating his new house. He's of the opinion that if you're salaried you work for his business from 8-5 and are then available to work at his house until 8 the next morning. Weekends are an unkown concept to him.

      Yes I, along with nearly everyone else that works there, am actively looking for another job. Just that those job things are kinda difficult to come by right now.

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    8. Re:Even it's invention hurts by JPriest · · Score: 1

      I have had the same experience in every salary position I have held. I was working a 75 hour week as a temp in my last position, they offered me the position as a salary employee and I refused it. This is also the reason I left the military, I spent 13 months working on my feet for 13 hours, 6 days a week for about $20,000. Even in your free time you are shoveling snow, cleaning barracks etc. If someone gets sick (the blacks always seemed to have an excuse), you are out your 1 day off with no compensation. Hourly employees have rights and you forfeit them when you agree to work for salary. I would rather flip burgers for 3 fast-food joints than work another salary job.

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    9. Re:Even it's invention hurts by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the boss was invented centuries ago. The survey is about inventions within the last century.

    10. Re:Even it's invention hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone needs to throw a blanket over your boss's head and have a baseball bat party in his honor. What an asswipe.

    11. Re:Even it's invention hurts by tommck · · Score: 1

      (FYI: I develop software for a living.)

      I was going to take a job at a financial company. They told me that everyone in the department has to have "pager duty" for supporting the applications. I told them that I would wear a pager as long as they paid me for every single hour during which I was on call. They told me this was normal. I told them that, if they expect me to be at their beck and call and not doing anything *I* want to do (e.g. Drink, leave the area, sleep, etc), they were going to pay me.

      So AFAIAC (as far as I am concerned), "caveat job-gettor". You knew what you were getting into. Deal with it or find another job.

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  29. More precisely.... by BWJones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps the questions should have been a little more precise. To my mind, I hate other peoples cell phones. My cell phone (when it is on), I like.

    This is all really social engineering to some extent. Devices that are engineered to minimize their effects on others will not impinge on the "space" of others. For instance, boom boxes were commonly reviled in the 80's, but when Apple designed the iPod, there was no internal speaker to annoy others with personal choices in music. The audio was left to headphones. With cell phones now, we have people's damned MIDI tones broadcasting all sorts of loud invasive tones in theaters, bistros and lectures. What's worse it the social engineering that has not had negative feedback like getting smacked for actually answering said MIDI-toned cell phone call.

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    1. Re:More precisely.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Perhaps the questions should have been a little more precise. To my mind, I hate other peoples cell phones. My cell phone (when it is on), I like.

      You hate other people's cell phones, sure, but are you also unable to live without other people's cell phones?

    2. Re:More precisely.... by Geeyzus · · Score: 1

      >>For instance, boom boxes were commonly reviled in the 80's, but when Apple designed the iPod, there was no internal speaker to annoy others with personal choices in music. The audio was left to headphones.

      I realize you love Apple, but have you ever heard of the Walkman? I don't think Apple broke society free of the boombox-on-the-shoulder from 80s rap videos.

      Mark

  30. I have no problem with cell phones... by el-spectre · · Score: 1

    None. They are convenient (at least when they work, but that's a limit of radio tech).

    What I DO hate is how incredibly inconsiderate people are with them. How fucking hard is it to hit 'silence' and wait until the elevator ride is done???

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    1. Re:I have no problem with cell phones... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      So say something to them? Don't be incredibly rude about it but have you ever tried saying something like, "You know, it's kind of rude for you to force your conversation on the rest of us in this elevator and I'd appreciate it if you didn't behave like this in the future."

      People become disconnected when they're out in public because they're surrounded by strangers and thus there are no consequences because no one says a thing to you. Disarm them of their belief that no one is judging. You might be surprised by the results.

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    2. Re:I have no problem with cell phones... by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      the problem is that easily 50% of the people that I see are this way. I can't go around correcting them all without getting smacked eventually.

      The problem isn't just elevators, it's everywhere. Like people who get in line at a store, and won't get off the phone, including while paying. Or that interrupt a face to face conversation to chat with a buddy, etc.

      I'm not judging. They are allowed to do whatever they want, but it's still annoying.

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    3. Re:I have no problem with cell phones... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      I'd punch anyone who told me to stop using my cell in an elevator.

      You can judge.

      I can punch.

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    4. Re:I have no problem with cell phones... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1

      I can punch back and I'm bigger than you.

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    5. Re:I have no problem with cell phones... by Tassach · · Score: 1
      You can judge.
      I can punch.
      And I can:
      1. Defend myself, using deadly force if I feel that my life may be in danger
      2. Press criminal charges
      3. Sue
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    6. Re:I have no problem with cell phones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just fart. Or hit the buttons for all the floors.

  31. Give up your Phone! by Zeplin · · Score: 1

    God that mobile is annoying, Im on call most of the time, and being caught in the middle of some intimate situation is the worst. hehe.
    But my boss gets a good laugh, the prick. heh

    Anyway, Ill tell him im abandoning the cell phone, he will now have to send smoke signals to contact me. Or send a pigon, but tape the note to him.

    I say we go back to smoke signals, Who is with me? lol

    1. Re:Give up your Phone! by cgranade · · Score: 1

      Slashdot Smoke Signals: Where FP means First Puff! Oh, wait...

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  32. I don't hate cell phones per se... by john_smith_45678 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hate:

    - super-annoying ring tones that people always seem to leave on, and at their loudest.
    - people who don't turn off their cell phones (and actually answer them!) in lectures, movies, libraries, ...
    - people who feel compelled to have conversations on their phones no matter the place: meetings, conservations, packed public places. Extra hate points for LOUD cell phone conversations.
    - people who walk around talking on cell phones just because they think they look "cool". I've eavesdropped on some of these conversations - morons talking about cereal boxes at the store - is it really necessary to have conversations like that?

    1. Re:I don't hate cell phones per se... by mewyn · · Score: 1

      Let's add people who can't seem to drive and talk on the cell phone at the same time. Honestly, most people can't. I do it from time to time, but when I do, my conversation is slowed because I'm paying attention to the road, I will put the thing down when I need to make any sort of maneuver, and if need be, I have no problem throwing it over into the passenger seat when I need my driving skills at 100%. That said, I use a cell phone and drive about 2 times a year maybe.

      Mewyn Dy'ner

    2. Re:I don't hate cell phones per se... by tommck · · Score: 1

      talking about cereal boxes at the store - is it really necessary to have conversations like that?

      well, no offense meant, but who are you to tell me which phone conversations are valid to have in which places?

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  33. link above redirects to nero-online.org by kiwipeso · · Score: 0

    Gross, I just hope they have goatse.cx stored there

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    1. Re:link above redirects to nero-online.org by AgentSmith1000 · · Score: 0

      Dear sweet Mary, Joseph and Jesus! I'm typing this in braile cause I clawed my own eyes out. You bastards! Whatever anyone does DO NOT CLICK ON THAT DAMN LINK!!

      Shit on a Shingle! I should have known better

  34. There is a recent Chinese movie called "cellphone" by ringer9cs · · Score: 1

    It did an excellent job explaining why people hate it...

  35. on my list ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #1 would be surveys

  36. cell phone was a godsend... by Exantrius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I got my cell phone, I was a year into college, and I couldn't find housing-- I ended up couch surfing for six months, followed by living in places for between 1 and 6 months at a time for another two years. If I didn't have a cell phone, I would have had no phone number.

    Now that I'm no longer in college, and I live 300 miles away from that area code, it's the number that everyone knows, and so I don't want to give it up.

    Just because a lot of people are annoying on them (hang up and drive, and turn it off at dinner/movies/visiting with people), doesn't mean I hate the invention-- I hate it's uses...

    Kinda like video games and dance dance revolution. /ex

    1. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by paulgrant · · Score: 1

      When I got my cell phone, I was a year into college, and I couldn't find housing-- I ended up couch surfing for six months, followed by living in places for between 1 and 6 months at a time for another two years. If I didn't have a cell phone, I would have had no phone number.
      ---

      Call forwarding.

      Now that I'm no longer in college, and I live 300 miles away from that area code, it's the number that everyone knows, and so I don't want to give it up.
      ---

      Number portability, or barring that, some sort of useful way to keep people in touch (VOLUNTARY national directory) with some sort of ACL mechanism.

      BOTH are better than cell phones.

    2. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by Exantrius · · Score: 1

      call forwarding? It's hard to forward a number when you don't have one--That's right, I had no number. Hell, for 3 weeks, I was sleeping in my car because I couldn't get ahold of any of my friends, they'd all disappeared that summer.

      Number Portability? Yeah, it's coming. It wasn't around 5 years ago. Now I'm looking at moving again, what number am I going to take?

      and a voluntary directory sounds a whole lot like a junk caller's wet dream-- Not to mention the people that don't have my number don't have it for a reason.

      Not to flame or anything, but cell's have their uses, especially when you don't have a place to hang your hat...

    3. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by paulgrant · · Score: 1

      call forwarding? It's hard to forward a number when you don't have one--That's right, I had no number.
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      Tart. U had a land-line at some point; have the telco forward the number at the switch. My brother did that with his old landline from another region. Point it to whoever's phone u were staying at.

      Number Portability? Yeah, it's coming. It wasn't around 5 years ago. Now I'm looking at moving again, what number am I going to take?
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      Right; thats exactly my point. You got a cell phone for that reason (and paid through the nose); It would make FAR MORE SENSE, to have a number portability act, lobbied for by a consumer organization, for land lines, rather than force people who are in your situation to get a cell phone.

      and a voluntary directory sounds a whole lot like a junk caller's wet dream-- Not to mention the people that don't have my number don't have it for a reason.
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      Execute junk callers. I'ld be willing to support that piece of legislation, in a HEART BEAT. But u missed my more pragmatic solution;
      that of ACLs (access control lists). That means, since your friends would have an account, and you have an account, u could voluntarily give them access to your (everchanging) information AT WILL.

      Not to flame or anything, but cell's have their uses, especially when you don't have a place to hang your hat...
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      I didn't find a need to keep in touch past a few minor calls (hey I'm still alive), when I was homeless for a month . Certainly, I had FAR MORE IMPORTANT CONCERNS than a stupid cell phone.

      And on that note :)
      the 6p's ::
      Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

      Not to flame or anything :)
      Anyway, its my personal opinion; I posted to point out that the solution envisioned by you,
      while technically flawless, leaves ALOT to be desired in the long run. Perhaps if enough consumers back it, we won't be paying through the nose for ridiculously overpriced communication "services".

    4. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by grautgrams · · Score: 1

      I don't have a land-line at all and don'm miss one. I don't use phone that much and the costs of getting a land-line for a short term is just not worth it.

      Just as a laptop a cell-phone is VERY convenient as I can bring both with me when I move around.

      I just don't understand some peoples hatred against cell-phones. Of course I don't appreciate that people don't bother to turn off/set on vibrate only in lectures/movie theaters/libraries(and use sms instead if they have to communicate), but it's not a VERY big issue for me.

    5. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by paulgrant · · Score: 1

      On my end its 4 things:

      1 - Idiots trying to multi-task on shit u shouldn't be multitasking on (driving, movies etc)

      2 - The expectation that if you have a cell phone, its ok to call you at odd-times, off-work whatever.

      3 - the severe price gouging (cost, economics)that cell phone companies insist on foisting as reasonable, particularly the scummy business practices.

      4 - the fact that their are several alternatives that could be developed that are far more useful to solve the problems that people THINK cell phones solve.

      Mind you, I'm not a luddite; I do think cell phones [Wireless Services!] have their uses. JUST NOT AS THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED TODAY. TODAY THEY SUCK FROM EVERY ASPECT. Particularly the intrusive nature that cell phones are taking from a LEGAL stand point.

    6. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      If I didn't have a cell phone, I would have had no phone number.

      Now that's a use I can certainly understand (land line replacement--for various reasons), but I have yet to see a cellphone with that use in-mind.

      When have you ever seen a cell-based phone that had multiple handsets (for different rooms in your home), an answering machine (all phones should be left at home) and perhaps reasonably-priced internet access? Indeed, cell-phones just haven't been designed for that yet, so as of yet they don't make a good replacement for 99% of land-line customers, no matter how low the rates may get.
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    7. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by Vindicator9000 · · Score: 1
      3 - the severe price gouging (cost, economics)that cell phone companies insist on foisting as reasonable, particularly the scummy business practices.

      Maybe you're trolling... I'll bite.

      In my town, it costs $50/month to have an active land line, thanks to the wonders of deregulation. Then, since we're on a small local carrier, it's a toll call to anywhere out of town.

      OR

      I can pay $40/month for a cell phone with more minutes than I'll ever use in a month, as well as free long distance, free nights and weekends, and no roaming charges (through Verizon). Plus, I'm not chained to my house when I'm expecting important calls.

      For me, cellular service just makes more economic sense, and I miss my land line much less than I thought I would.

    8. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by tommck · · Score: 1

      Just because a lot of people are annoying on them (hang up and drive, and turn it off at dinner/movies/visiting with people), doesn't mean I hate the invention-- I hate it's uses...

      EXACTLY! I mean, a plunger is a cool invention until a cop rams one up your ass and punctures your colon!

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    9. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by Exantrius · · Score: 1

      prior to being homeless, I had my shared phone number at the first place I lived-- The number went with the other guy. I wasn't ready to plunk down 25/mo on a phone I rarely used (until I was trying to find housing)...

      A better solution would be a phone attached to an answering service-- I needed a phone very often during my search for housing-- I was just glad to have it.

      You plan sounds like an okay idea provided: A) you have a phone number to begin with (which means you need a place to live, etc.)... B) Congress gave a shit... C) we could trust the guvment to hold our data in as high esteem as we do.

      And actually, since most of the people I talked to (family, letting them know I was still alive, a couple friends outside the area) had the same service, with free mobile to mobile, it's cost me 35 bucks a month since I got it-- $10 more than a phone in a room that I'm never at. /ex

    10. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by Exantrius · · Score: 1

      Voice mail. Most phones have it.
      Multiple handsets? There's only one of me, and I live in a very small dank dungeon.
      internet access? That's what cable is for.

      It works perfect for me. It works much less perfectly for anyone that actually has a life.

    11. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Voice mail. Most phones have it.

      Indeed, and you pay a monthly fee for it. It's not all that bad of an option, but it's just one of the problems.

      Multiple handsets? There's only one of me, and I live in a very small dank dungeon.

      So your wife/sons/daughters/guests don't ever need to talk on the phone?

      internet access? That's what cable is for.

      Cable internet access in my area sucks. First off you have to get basic cable along with it, which adds $40+ onto the price. Then the price of internet access is rather expensive for about 256K down.

      It works perfect for me.

      Congratulations. You get a cookie.

      It works much less perfectly for anyone that actually has a life.

      Now that's just complete bullshit. Cellphones still can't replace land-lines for the vast majority of people, and insuating that all those people don't "[have] a life" isn't helping you.
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    12. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by Exantrius · · Score: 1

      Voice mail. Most phones have it.

      Indeed, and you pay a monthly fee for it. It's not all that bad of an option, but it's just one of the problems.


      Errm, It's free with my cell.


      Multiple handsets? There's only one of me, and I live in a very small dank dungeon.

      So your wife/sons/daughters/guests don't ever need to talk on the phone?


      No Wife, sone or daughter. Guests from time to time, but they're welcome to use my cell. I have a single room that is "my living arrangement" which means the phone is always within reach.

      internet access? That's what cable is for.

      Cable internet access in my area sucks. First off you have to get basic cable along with it, which adds $40+ onto the price. Then the price of internet access is rather expensive for about 256K down.

      Eh, I don't watch cable. I wasn't saying it was the be-all and end-all, just saying that I don't need a phone line for cable. Some people do, and that's fine.

      It works perfect for me.

      Congratulations. You get a cookie.

      Why thanks, but I think you're being sarcastic, and I didn't mean to ruffle feathers. As I said in my first post-- It works quite well for me. Anyone who isn't a twenty something geek with no strings holding them down, well, it starts to not work quite as well.

      It works much less perfectly for anyone that actually has a life.

      Now that's just complete bullshit. Cellphones still can't replace land-lines for the vast majority of people, and insuating that all those people don't "[have] a life" isn't helping you.

      Errr, read that again, the "actually has a life" is meant for people who actually have lives, family, friends, and all that good stuff-- I'm new in my area, and I don't have any of those things.
      And like I said, In my position, my cell phone was a godsend. Maybe not in yours. In fact I'm very aware that most people cannot replace their home phones with cells-- But I can, and it works for me.

      I'm not trying to evangelize, I'm just saying that used properly, a cell phone isn't necessarily hellspawn. /Ex

    13. Re:cell phone was a godsend... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Errm, It's free with my cell.

      No, you pay for it, it's just lumped-in with the monthly-fee, so you don't really know how much you are paying for it. Cellphone service would be cheaper without voicemail.

      Errr, read that again,

      Yes, it looks like I did misread what you were trying to say there. Sorry about that.
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  37. A better bad category by shawkin · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The least popular invention: bills.

    1. Re:A better bad category by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail it! Your skill is not enough, see you next time, bye-bye

  38. 800.285.7772 by Graymalkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think cell phones are the most abused technology and are thus the most hated. I think some people associate telephones with being at home and as such act on a cell phone as they do at home. People talk loudly, stop paying attention to the world around them, and generally shut off the parts of their brain that don't involve chattering. If people using cell phones weren't jerks there'd be little reason to hate them as they're pretty damn useful.

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    1. Re:800.285.7772 by Rufus211 · · Score: 1

      is there any particular reason you used the Microsoft Investor Relations phone number as your subject?

  39. Single data point by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 1

    I would've said cell phone as well. I got one a year ago, and now I just leave it off all the time. I'm on a family plan with my family. I just hated having a cell phone: people expected me to have it on me all the time and be at their beck and call. Kind of like how I hate telephones, but at least you can ignore calls and say "you weren't at home." With a cell phone there's no excuse. That's why I like e-mail: I can answer it at my convenience, and I don't have to read it the instant it comes in like I have to listen to calls the instance they come in. And don't even think answering machines are an option: when people call you, they expect to be answered immeidately, and having to leave a message is a pure annoyance. With e-mail there is no such expectation, so it's more relaxing for both parties involved.

  40. PTT by egburr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the cell phone I mind so much as Push To Talk. You're in a public place, you shouldn't be broadcasting your personal business to the whole area! Hole the damned thing up to your ear and don't force the rest of us to listen to it! also, keep your voice down, the person on the other end can hear you fine without your shouting.

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    1. Re:PTT by cowscows · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, speakerphone is the most horrid evolution of the phone. My mom has a portable phone that she always uses on speakerphone, even though she's walking all over the house and holding the receiver up to her ear anyways. I only spend a couple of weeks per year visiting her, but that drives me insane within a couple of days every time.

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    2. Re:PTT by starwed · · Score: 1

      I've noticed an annoying behavior in libraries/computer labs on campus: someone will be talking in their "quiet voice" to a friend, so as not to disturb those around them. Then their cell phone rings, they answer and immediately start talking loudly into it.
      I guess whatever part of them learnt the social taboo of being quiet in such places hasn't had the chance to adapt to the technology? In any case, it still pisses me off.

    3. Re:PTT by G27+Radio · · Score: 1

      Why is it that the PTT feature is always so loud? Is it simply a marketing gimic? If someone is using it anywhere in the vicinity, you can't help hearing it along with the signature beep that Nextel uses. Don't the people using the PTT feature realize what obnoxious idiots they sound like? I've seen people use this feature obnoxiously enough to make Dom Joly cringe.

    4. Re:PTT by firewrought · · Score: 2, Funny
      Why is it that the PTT feature is always so loud? Is it simply a marketing gimic? If someone is using it anywhere in the vicinity, you can't help hearing it along with the signature beep that Nextel uses.

      The large company I work for introduced their own PTT/cell phone combo years before Nextel started marketing them to the general public, mainly for use by its employees and contractors.

      It used to be that whenever I heard that characteristic studder beep (presumably invented by the marketing guys at Motorola, not Nextel) in a public place, I would look around expecting to see a fellow employee. Now I glance around and inevitably end up looking at some kids and a soccer mom. Kinda threw me off-balance at first.

      PTT is very useful in the office environment... especially when half your team is geographically dispersed. It kinda serves the same purpose as "peeking over the cubical wall". It's less formal than the telephone.

      Some of PTT's abuses are rather amusing: I went out to lunch w/two guys in my group. Their team is in a common PTT talkgroup. Riding in the car, one of them would talk to the rest of the group, and it would echo from the other guy's unit ~150 ms later. All sort of reverb and ricochet effects.

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  41. The computer is the worse invention by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now our kids stay home and play video games all day. Our daily socialization is now just emails. Instead of regular postcards we get ecards. Instead of going to flea market or yard sales, we use ebay. Instead of waiting every month for our playboy, we download images off usenet. Instead of phone sex, we have webcams and instant messenger. Those pictures of your mom at mardi gras no longer are confined to some guys wallet but are now for everyone in the world to see. That video of you pretending be a jedi master sword fighting is no longer local joke but a worldwise joke.

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    1. Re:The computer is the worse invention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think PEOPLE are the worst invention, but I don't really wanna complain to the inventor.

  42. I do hate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was a tech at UPS I was forced to carry around an alphanumeric pager. My boss at the time once paged me at night just to see if I was answering my pages in a timely fashion. No more. The thought that someone could get in touch with me no matter where I am or what time of day is hideous in ways I cannot describe. Now, I love technology. I think cognitive assistive technology is really cool. I have dozens of PCs around my house. I compile kernels for fun and think that the Internet is as democratizing a force as the Guttenberg press. But not cell phones. I hate being interrupted in my moments of quiet reverie by these obnoxious alarum bells. I hate this new attitude that having a cell phone is necessary for all professions.

    Leave your work at the office. Play with your kids. Turn off the phone.

  43. Don't love computers? by dustin_royer · · Score: 1

    People don't love their computers? I love my Mac.(tm)

    1. Re:Don't love computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But do you love it this much?

  44. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 56 by sport_160 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Are you sure that is news, and not just someone talking tosh?

  45. At the moment... by Beolach · · Score: 1

    The technology I most hate but can't live without is automobiles. I seriously hate car problems.

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  46. Doesn't supprise me really. by mewyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's amazing at how many people have the things surgically attached to their ear. In just a 5 mile drive from my house to the train station, there were no less than six cell users yapping away on their phones ignoring the driving task. They were swerving in and out of their lanes, and going 10MPH under the speed limit.

    It just seems crazy on how so many people are addicted to the things. But I am supprised that 30% of the people out there recognize them as an annoyance... but I wonder how many of them are hypocrites.

    Mewyn Dy'ner

  47. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 56 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAND YHBT

    (it's an old /. troll)

  48. Re:KERRY IS SO GOING TO KICK DEANS ASS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe, but his sausages aren't as good!

    Dude, you are so behind the times!

    Here:

    Crooner Dean Says Sara Lee Dropped Him

    Tue Jan 20,10:24 AM ET
    Add Entertainment - AP to My Yahoo!

    RICHMOND, Va. - Legendary country crooner Jimmy Dean says the Sara Lee Corp. has dropped him as spokesman for the sausage company he founded more than three decades ago.

    In a statement Monday, the 75-year-old multimillionaire says the Chicago-based maker of food, apparel and household products told him last year he no longer meets the company's marketing needs.

    "The company told me that they were trying to attract the younger housewife, and they didn't think I was the one to do that," Dean said in an interview. "I think it's the dumbest thing. But you know, what do I know?"

    Julie Ketay, a spokeswoman for Sara Lee, said Monday that the company chose not to renew Dean's contract in May because the "brand was going in a new direction" that demanded a shift in marketing.

    "We're focusing more on the product, not the person. Our consumers want convenience and great taste," Ketay said.

    Sara Lee, Dean said, pays him an undisclosed amount for the use of his name, his likeness and his marketing participation in the Jimmy Dean product line. The company will still retain rights to his name and image, but it has reduced its payments to reflect its dismissal of Dean as the line's spokesman, Dean said.

  49. Ah cars suck more by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    I hate the car (well any vehicle like that) more - its such a bad design, just the idea of a clutch were bits of metal grind against eachother is bad engineering enough for me, but to see lots of them stuck in traffic is the worst. Sometimes you just want to get out and walk it seems so pointless to lug half a ton of metal around at an average of 2mph.

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  50. Coincidentally by serutan · · Score: 2, Funny

    The cell phone was also voted most likely to get shoved up someone's ass in arguments following minor traffic accidents.

    Who would have imagined?

    1. Re:Coincidentally by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 1


      If both people in the accident had BlueTooth-capable cell phones, their asses could exchange contact numbers and insurance information.

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    2. Re:Coincidentally by PacoTaco · · Score: 1

      And I thought pocket calls were annoying.

  51. I bet by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    The random telephone survey of 1,023 adults and 500 teenagers was conducted...

    ...via cellphone

  52. Most Hated Invention by forkboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OTHER PEOPLE'S cell phones.

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    1. Re:Most Hated Invention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, this article must have all the others topped as far as "most +5 insightfuls with the fewest words possible" goes.

  53. haters are just lamers by sPaKr · · Score: 1

    people that hate the cell phone hate it for all the wrong reasons. Most wouldnt mind it if they bothred to learn how to use it. My father bitches that his battery dies.. but then if he would use the key lock he wouldnt have 90 minute calls to my answering machine becouse he sat on the phone in a pub. Another reason people hate it is so many people own them but dont leave it on or check voice mail reguarally. We are so conditioned that batter life is measured in nanoseconds that many of the luddites just leave it off. Thus turning the device into a one way communication tool. Also the haters bitch that they here ringngs in movies or other places, if people would put the thing on vibrate it solves this problem. Finally we dont people bitch that they are forced to listen to half a conversation as someone yells into the handset, the point here is that people with their voyerstic tendancies are just pissed they cant get the whole conversation. You want an gadgat that sucks, fax machines. They use technology to hold us into a 18th century paper world. Stop enabling the dead tree mearchants! Death to the FAX!

    1. Re:haters are just lamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the haters bitch that they here ringngs in movies or other places, if people would put the thing on vibrate it solves this problem.

      Sorry, no. Some phones vibrate almost as loud as they ring. Even louder, if they're left on a wooden surface. Louder still if they're left on a metal one. Don't put it on vibrate. SHUT IT OFF.

    2. Re:haters are just lamers by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1

      You know, seeing someone hold a conversation on a cellphone in public, like at a restaurant somewhere, doesn't bother me so much. What bothers me is seeing their friend/date sitting there alone, with noone to talk to...

      I mean... that's just cruel.

    3. Re:haters are just lamers by sPaKr · · Score: 1

      It doesnt bother me, just looks like an oppurtunity. I mean how good do you have to be if you can tell her 'hey I wont ignore you'.

  54. try car alarm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the ultimate in pointless AND annoying behaviour.

    uh, wait...

    THAT'S WINDOWS, TOO!

  55. Reachable by sporty · · Score: 1

    I don't know about most of you, but I work consistent hours. 9ish-6ish every day. Sometimes my schedule changes, but when it does, it's for a long period. When I'm at home, I'm obviously at home. Can't people just call me at those places and be done w/ it?

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    1. Re:Reachable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, some people have lives, and they, you know, go OUT. As in, out of their house.

  56. I don't see why by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

    At least you can turn a cell phone off with a button. With a land line, you need to unplug every phone connected to the line.

    So, with a cell, you can take it anywhere and easily turn it off anytime. With a land line, you can't take it anywhere, and it's a pain to turn off.

    It's why when I moved in August, I kept my cell phone and decided not to get a land line.

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  57. Cell phone is the PERFECT answer. by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1

    It's the duality of information. Faster information/knowledge is always power--but sometimes it is power for you, and sometimes it is power OVER you. The cellphone lets you call for help on the lonely stretch of highway when your car explodes. But it also lets your boss talk to you whenever he wants (or rather, it makes it physically possible for you to allow him to do that, which enables him to fire you if do not so allow it.) The cell phone is the Tyranny of the Possible.

  58. Credit Cards. by Carnth · · Score: 1

    Just like a cell phone, credit cards are a necessary part of anyone's modern life. But the more you use them (cell phones and credit cards) the more they take over your life.
    Just keep everything in moderation. Even /.

  59. Not Spam!? by JustAnotherReader · · Score: 1

    I thought that the ability to email millions of people offers to extend their naughty bits (and to send them that offer 20 or 30 times a day EVERY FREAKING DAY) would be the most hated new technology.

    1. Re:Not Spam!? by gordyf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but we can live without spam. The article was about hated things that we can't live without, such as cell phones and alarm clocks.

  60. You missed the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the question was inventions you hate the most but can't live without. not inventions you hate the most.

    1. Re:You missed the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I didn't.

      What would happen if the USA didn't have nukes? We'd be toast. What happened in Vietnam when soldiers didn't have automatic weapons at checkpoints? They were bumrushed and killed. What would happen if we didn't develop Anthrax or Mustard gas as weapons? We would have no cure (the cures are good for helping other ailments).

      And try and get the south to live without the gas chamber or the electric chair . . .

  61. Off switch by raider_red · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can always turn it off. Of course, you can't make the dumbass in the movie theater turn his off.

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    1. Re:Off switch by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      I think it's just some sort of universal law of theatres. Before every film I see these days, there are something like five warnings in big letters on the screen saying "turn your mobile phone off". In different colours and styles - with amusing film clips to make the message more palatable. Even the mobile phone adverts end with "Don't let a mobile ruin the film...".

      But they still go off. Only Stephen Hawking can explain I feel.

    2. Re:Off switch by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      You can always turn it off. Of course, you can't make the dumbass in the movie theater turn his off.

      You can if you have a cellphone freq. jammer... ;)

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    3. Re:Off switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, how about a quick and easy way of turning it off.

      Swipe phone over a panel (IR and/or RF) and the ringer is off.

      -cmh

    4. Re:Off switch by Zoop · · Score: 1

      Of course, you can't make the dumbass in the movie theater turn his off.

      You can if you hit him hard enough.

      With his own phone.

    5. Re:Off switch by radja · · Score: 1

      you cant make him turn it off. but you CAN butt into the conversation. get involved. annoy the bastard until he leaves (or his girlfriend thinks he's having an affair, his boss thinks he just sold company-secrets to a rival etc.)

      there's hours of fun by getting involved with cell-phone conversations. go to a bloody phonebox, that's what they're for.

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      --Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
    6. Re:Off switch by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      or an EMP.

  62. The best/worst thing about cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The best thing about cell phones is that people can get ahold of you no matter where you are.

    The worst thing about cell phones is that people can get ahold of you no matter where you are.

  63. cellphone == evil? I'll drink to that. by jericho34 · · Score: 1

    I am not fond of cell phones. I don't like being interupted whenever someone wants to ask me something silly. I won't have a cell phone unless it comes with a signal blocking case. What bothers me even more is the fact that even if you don't have a cell phone, everyone else does. Barely a week goes by when some damn fool's phone goes off in one of my classes. I know that some people need cell phones (on call doctors, people with family in the hospital, Etc), but the only time in my life when I ever wanted a cell phone was when my weel fell off on the highway, and it was 14 degrees out, but if I had one, I just know I would be yapping away at it, and would have lost more than just a wheel.

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  64. Most hated invention? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

    I love my cell phone. I don't have to be stuck at home when I'm waiting for an important phone call. I can get directions when I get lost trying to find someone's house. I can move from one state to another without changing my phone number. I don't get telemarketing calls. I don't pay for long distance, or caller ID, or voice mail. I can go on trips without being hard to reach. There's an off button. I have instant access to my personal phone book at any time. I get a portable phone which isn't affected by power failures. If I get a flat tire, or find an unconscious person lying in the middle of the street in the middle of nowhere (it's happened) I can use the phone to get help. Cell phones are great. I don't know how I ever lived without them.

  65. The Bigger problem can't be turned off. by qortra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yea, the whole article can be summed up with that quote, but I think they are WAY off on data interpretation. I know, for me, I don't hate my cell phone; I hate other people's cell phones. I hate when people in front of me at a checkout line take 3 times longer because they're boyfriend/girlfriend is having an emotional crisis. I hate stupid drivers who can't multitast nearly run me off the road while trying to conduct a business meeting in their car. I hate when I'm in a quiet relaxing environment like the library and I suddenly start hearing the "O Danny Boy" at full volume (not that I don't like all the songs that are played, I just want to choose when to listen to them). Anyway, people like being able to call people and being connected to the world. They just don't like other people being connected.

  66. Alarm Clock UI sucks by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not only the beeping of alarm clocks, or the fact that they wake you up in the middle of your threesome with Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera.

    Alarm clocks have some of the worst human interfaces around. Many make it far too easy to set the wrong time (the AM/PM dot hell), and many are a true pain in the ass to set, forcing one to take up to a minute just to cycle to the time you want.

    Given that your typical alarm clock possesses a fraction of the technology of a simple PDA and designing the technology of one shouldn't be that complex, it's kind of pathetic that after all these years the design of your typical alarm lock user interface still sucks.

    Sure, some people will probably laugh and blow off this criticism mere nitpicking, but I wouldn't be surprised if employees' difficulty setting alarm clocks has cost businesses as much per year as the common cold .

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    1. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not only the beeping of alarm clocks, or the fact that they wake you up in the middle of your threesome with Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera.

      Dude, you being less hot than either of them (well, in a whore kind of way, I assume), the "threesome" would consist of their tolerance of letting you watch them lick each other.

    2. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While we're here, I've got a question I've been dying to know the answer to about alarm clocks--why is the snooze interval 9 minutes? Why not a nice even 5 or 10? Did some group of scientists actually determine that for some reason, 9 minutes is the ideal snooze time?

      My personal theory is that you spend more brain power counting by nines to figure out when the next snooze alarm will go off than if it were by tens, and using brain power helps you wake up. But if that's the case, sevens are harder to count than nines. Anyone else got a theory?

    3. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by sabNetwork · · Score: 4, Informative
      Hey, not all alarm clocks are bad. I realize that we're talking about the worst inventions here, but look at these:

      Anyways, just because your alarm clock sucks doesn't mean every one does :D

    4. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Adam+Wiggins · · Score: 1

      Funny you say that - I actually use my PDA (a Zaurus) as an alarm clock. It has a much better, more flexible interface, and is very easy to take with you traveling or wherever.

      Even more ironic, though, is that almost everyone else I know uses their cell phone as their alarm clock! Since most phones have basic calendars and alarm functions, you get the same benefits of the PDA (though a slightly more obtuse interface) described above.

    5. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's talking about dreaming, dumbass. You should be able to score with anyone in your dreams, at least.

    6. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      "forcing one to take up to a minute just to cycle to the time you want"

      You just buy crappy 7 dollar alarm clocks.
      For a couple more bucks you can get forward and reverse time set buttons. My $15 alarm clock has a great alarm that starts kinda loud for 10 seconds, then becomes very loud for 10 seconds, then goes to the same noise maker they put in smoke alarms. Just the threat of that noise gets my ass out of bed.

      -B

    7. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      I have an iPaq and would love to use it as my alarm, since it can set them differently per day, no AM/PM problems, etc.

      *BUT* (and this really pisses me off) I leave it muted most of the time, so I can use it without apps beeping at me. And unfortunately, the general sound volume applies to alarms too (stupid stupid stupid. there should be a general volume and an alarm volume...) *sigh* I'll just stick to my stupid LED box with the single AM/PM LED and the crappy switch that gets stuck between "alarm on" and "alarm off".

    8. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by HoldenCaulfield · · Score: 2, Informative

      some possible reasons are at

      http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a991126.htm l

    9. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      I'll forever hate those. One of my roommates freshman year of college had one of those. He was bottom bunk, I was above.

      Anyway, it'd start quietly and get louder, Louder, LOUDER, LOUDER. I'd wake up pretty quick. And the roommate who was supposed to get up? Nothing. The gradual growing let it sneak in under him and he'd just block it out as it got louder. Eventually I'd have to climb out of the damn bunk, turn off his alarm, kick him, and go back to my bunk and go back to sleep.

      There needs to be better roommate alarm clock etiquite. No alarms that won't wake you up, and (as importantly) NO SNOOZE ALARMS IN A GROUP SETTING.

    10. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Patik · · Score: 1

      That was the most positive effect of a slashdotting I've seen. Both of those clocks are now sold out, and the second one is even on back order till late February. Good job!

    11. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      I agree, alarm clocks are terrible -- I just love overshooting the minute by one and then having to press the minute button 59 more times to get it right. That's what I like about my wristwatch, it has an "up" AND a "down" button for setting the time/alarms, etc. If only my wristwatch was loud enough to wake me up in the mornings :(

    12. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by ShortBeard · · Score: 0

      I have a BioBrite as well. Almost as pleasurable as waking up to the sun. I can even find the dimmer button by touch.
      However, when my cat notices the light it is too late even for that trick.

    13. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by cpeterso · · Score: 1


      thank you! Those are great. I've always wanted an alarm clock that would wake me with a soft womb-like "whooom... whoooom..." noise, gradually increasing in volume until I hit snooze.

    14. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but when I'm in a "group setting" in my bedroom, sleep is the last thing I'm worrying about.

      >: )

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    15. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Anaphilius · · Score: 1

      "...has cost businesses as much per year as the common cold."

      The common cold has cost businesses a grand total of $0 every year. This is a classic boondoggle by industry. Companies only have a right to the time they've contracted with you to use. This automatically excludes time when you are sick. Therefore, the time you spend home sick wasn't theirs to begin with.

    16. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by ndogg · · Score: 1

      Alarm clocks have some of the worst human interfaces around. Many make it far too easy to set the wrong time (the AM/PM dot hell), and many are a true pain in the ass to set, forcing one to take up to a minute just to cycle to the time you want.

      Speaking of which, does anyone know of an alarm clock with 24 hour time measurement, rather than 12 hour. I can't count the number of times I've screwed this up royally simply because I was too sleepy to notice, and had that bite me in the ass enormously.

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    17. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      I find "snooze" as a whole stunningly useless. The whole concept is flawed -- it just treats your brain not to wake up when the alarm goes off, which makes your alarm clock ineffective.

    18. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Juanvaldes · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend set the alarm last night. She failed to turn it on. We woke up at 1pm, class is at 8am. We had papers due we stayed up to finish. Not fun.

    19. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Walkiry · · Score: 1

      It's not only the beeping of alarm clocks, or the fact that they wake you up in the middle of your threesome with Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera.

      Ah, so they are not so evil after all.

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    20. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      > Many make it far too easy to set the wrong time (the AM/PM dot hell)

      You're seriously telling me that sometimes you wake up, look at your alarm clock, and think "CRAP!!! It's 7 in the evening already! MAN did I oversleep... Oh wait - 7 a.m. Phew!".

      Okay - I will admit to having set an alarm clock to wake me up at 6 a.m. and accidentally set it to 6 p.m. instead - so I guess you do have a point. Easily fixed by getting an alarm clock that supports 24-hour clock, although I understand many Americans find that a little confusing unless they were in the military. I guess that might be because they don't use public transport much - in Europe we get indoctrinated with 24 hour times from an early age by bus and train timetables.

    21. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by hplasm · · Score: 1
      'Ah, but you can't turn back the clock...'

      That's the bloody problem!! So much easier to set with a reverse button..

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    22. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "The BioBrite Sunrise Alarm Clock - I actually own this thing and recommend it. It makes waking up in the morning about twice as easy."

      Are there any of these clocks that aren't made by the wellness freaks with the patent-pending and a dislike of competition? All such clocks seem to be inordinately more exensive than they need to be...

      I have a timer-switch ($15 from hardware shop), and an old light... seems to work albeit without the fade-in effect.

    23. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I made the same thing as the BioBrite about 10 years ago. Took an old clock radio, a Pixar style lamp, and a relay. Removed weight-ballast from base of lamp, put in clock circuit, replaced radio circuit with relay, hooked light up to relay.

      Bingo; an ideal timer light, with the same snooze, sleep functions as a clock-radio. I set it for 30-45 minutes before my audible alarm goes of.

      Makes a difference; the body is supposed to wake automatically at sunrise. Curtains and streetlamps messed that up, so this sort of thing helps get you back into it.

    24. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [. . .wake you up in the middle of your threesome with Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera.]

      That's called a nightmare and it's a good thing you're woken up.

    25. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      You're obviously not married...

    26. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by DevNova · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened to that new "sound" technology I read about here on /. about a year or so ago? Someone invented the ability to "focus" sound so that anyone outside the "focal point" would hear nothing.

      Sounds like a roommate alarm clock would be a great utilization of that technology.

    27. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Your mom tucking you in doesn't count as a "group setting"

    28. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Ah yeah. The Puzzle Alarm Clock was mentioned by Miho Obana in the sidebar of Kodocha. Unfortunately, she got so good at it she still managed to go back to bed after turning the alarm clock off. No wait. I mean, I don't read Shoujo Manga.

      The White Noise alarm sounds good though. I have my doubts over all the "wellness" rubbish they're talking about, but if it works (and it sounds like it might) it's a great product. It's effing expensive, though.

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    29. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      What I would like to have is an alarm clock that doesn't beep, but instead buzzes, like the old electric ones used too. It's much more pleasant to wake up to.

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    30. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by protogeek · · Score: 1
      You're seriously telling me that sometimes you wake up, look at your alarm clock, and think "CRAP!!! It's 7 in the evening already! MAN did I oversleep... Oh wait - 7 a.m. Phew!".

      I have actually done this. Or rather, I've done the reverse.

      Back in the dorm days, a friend bangs on my door. "You aren't up yet?!"

      Me, slurring: "Wha? Ish seven o'clock on a Saturday! Are you nuts?"

      Friend: "You better hurry up if you want dinner, the caf's about to close.

      Yes, it was seven p.m. The sad thing was, I owned a 24-hour clock back then. Never underestimate the ability of a sleeping brain to find ways to continue sleeping.

    31. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the urge to rant about my alarm clock interface:

      ....
      O

      The dots are the set time, set alarm, hour, minute buttons. The "O" is the snooze button. The whole thing is about 2 inches across. So when fumbling for the snooze button, it's very easy to hit one of the "set" buttons, which kicks the alarm out of the "Sounding the alarm" state. So I end up waking up hours later, with the alarm set to go off tomorrow morning.

    32. Re:Alarm Clock UI sucks by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Point to you, sir. : )

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  67. I love my cell phone... by dnahelix · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just hate the bill.

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  68. love/hate/need/desire by austar · · Score: 1

    If you think about it, anything that becomes omni present in our daily life causes hatred. Remember when computers first became popular? The t.v. backlash in the '80's? The snarls answering machines sparked? When a new invention is placed on the open market there is a slow gradual acceptence. As the items become more popular, they start appearing in our media, movies, t.v., music, etc. When a certain saturation occurs, suddenly, everyone notices the downside to the items. Usually the most hated quality of the item is lack of privacy. Just don't sit there fellow geeks, get out there and invent something new for us to hate!

  69. You don't have to answer the cell phone by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's no shortage of plausible excuses...

    You were driving.
    You weren't in the coverage area.
    You were in a restaurant/theater/etc.
    You were talking on your other phone.
    The phone ran out of batteries.
    You left it on vibrate and took it out of your pocket.
    You didn't hear it ringing.
    You were in a meeting.
    You were taking a leak.
    The service provider sucks; call must not have gone through.
    etc.

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  70. people are kinda short sighted by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dosn't SPAM count as an invention?

    And what about Nuclear weapons? The machine gun? Bio-weapons? VX-gas? Surely there have been greater technological catastrophies then people yacking in the theater

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    1. Re:people are kinda short sighted by rritterson · · Score: 1

      No, see, the question was 'what do you hate the most but still have to have'

      Personally, the machine gun works for me- it's gotten me out of more than one tight situation (it's really nice at getting stuck doors open)

      (I'm joking, really)

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  71. This is idiotic... by ainsoph · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cellphones suck?

    I'll believe it when you shut the fuck up on the bus, the train, and every other fuckin public space you invade while yammering on and on about your pitiful life.

    1. Re:This is idiotic... by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      I don't know why this is, but it seems that conversations where you only hear one side are much more difficult to block out than normal conversations. Somehow the brain injects constantly "that's wierd" messages and turns attention to it. A similar effect is observable when you have people talking just behind a cubicle wall, as opposed to a conversation were you could see the participants. (Which is one of the ways in which cubicles destroy productivity.)

  72. Leaf Blowers! by acvh · · Score: 1

    'nuff said.

  73. really? i thought it was... by srinivas_rc · · Score: 1

    slashdot :)

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  74. EarBuds by VariableSanity · · Score: 1

    How about when some is looking at you and they say "Hello" and start talking.. then you say hello, only to relize that they are talking on a handless set fot their cell phone, and not to you.

  75. Alarmclock by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    Intrestingly, I usualy use my cell phone as an alarm clock when I need to. But the thing is, I haven't needed to in years. I noticed I was already awake when the alarm went off pretty much all the time, so I just gave up on it. Since then, I've never overslept.

    Getting out of bed, on the other hand...

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  76. Cell phones don't bug people... by imidan · · Score: 1
    PEOPLE bug people! But, seriously, who do cell phones bother? Other people, or the phone's owner?

    The normal state of my cell phone's ringer is off. I turn it on when I'm not doing anything, in a place where it won't be a nuisance. So I don't think my cell phone bugs other people all that much.

    Most people view the telephone as an inherently invasive device. Here's this thing that sits there doing nothing most of the time, and then it makes this grating noise, and you have to drop whatever you're doing and talk to it. When you're eating dinner, telemarketers call. Which a lot of people view as a TREMENDOUS inconvenience. I think that's because most people are conditioned to answer the phone every time it rings. That's why it's invasive. It's immediate.

    But why? If I'm at home, reading a book, and the phone rings, and I don't want to talk on the phone, I just don't answer it. The conclusion of all that diatribe is that my cell phone isn't annoying to me because I don't allow it to be.

    The cellular phone is a relatively new device. We haven't fully integrated it into our system of etiquette, yet. But I think with a combination of technology and common sense, we'll eventually be happy with it.

  77. The Clicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually there is a function called "clicker" in the iPod firmware that's turned on by default. What it does is make multiple loud clicking sounds while the scrollwheel is in use.

    The purpose of this is a method of feedback or confirmation to the user that the input is being recognised by the iPod and gives them a sense of satisfaction.

    However, most of the owners of the iPods ive seen have this feature off.

  78. luddite americans by fiddlesticks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    god, you still dont get it at all...

    will burn karma, really, but all the mentions about 'you know, when you pay per SMS received' and 'who needs a cell', etc etc, read to the rest of (the world) Europe like 'no-one needs any more than 64k RAM' or 'who needs a PC on yr desktop.' etc, etc

    It's just pure luddism and anger that you have, what, how many un-inter-operable providers? When roaming means 'roam from LA to SF!!!!' whilst the rest of us have > 1000 mins/ month outgoing (at least per territory and sometimes per (EMEA) region), , really, really nice terminals, free WAP, free incoming minutes (!), free 3G video calls, free SMTP/ SMS push, blah, blah, for, like what 15USD/ month (http://www.o2.co.uk)

    Should bother to look up urls for the above quotes, but hey - *you* don't 'get' cells, just like Iraq didn't 'get' a free Internet.

    1. Re:luddite americans by ydrol · · Score: 1
      free incoming minutes (!)

      I think the situation has changed a bit in the last five years although when I meet people from the US over here they always seemed shocked by the penetration of mobiles in the UK population.

      The current dilemma is what age youngsters should have a mobile phone at. (Some potential child abductions have been foiled by either a call or triangulation)

      However, part of the US network's problems were due to Americans being used to free local landline calls and generally being a more demanding bunch when people try to charge them more for stuff. (A quality previously lacking in the UK but thankfully on the rise)

      Hence teenage girls having their own lines in their bedrooms etc. The idea of making a call and being charged for it was almost unmarketable. But they had to charge someone, and started off charging the recipient! Which meant most people simply switched off their phones....

      Also the initial lack of inter-operability between competing networks was a big issue.

      By all reports things are much better now, and one day they wont have to be embarrased and surprised at being "behind" the UK anymore :)

      Some or all of this post may be inaccurate!

    2. Re:luddite americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interoperability? Sorry, but your information is either terribly old or just plain terribly inaccurate. The Parent is also mistaken about 02 and how they charge different for calls to landlines or cell phones or how a Scottish customers cannot call an English landline or cell phone without paying an extra fee.

      Recently I traveled from one end of the U.S. 2600 miles to the other end, at no point did I not have cell coverage, any place in the U.S. Any call is within my plan, nights and weekends are just plain free from 7pm to 7am. I pay 10 cents a minute for long distance to Scotland but oh well, I should just setup VoIP and pay $20 a month for unlimited calling period. Technology will get better, America is a big place, the one complaint I have about it is that most of the carriers here won't work in Europe or Asia. Makes traveling a bit difficult. International SMS is also spotty at best but its free for me, so I don't mind. We also get free unlimited 3g WAP. Another complaint is the size. My friend in Scotland got a tiny phone much more along the lines of something I'd like. I don't care for the built in phone, just want something small that sounds good and has a great antenna

    3. Re:luddite americans by ydrol · · Score: 1
      Also the initial lack of inter-operability between competing networks was a big issue

      Interoperability? Sorry, but your information is either terribly old or just plain terribly inaccurate

      Er. Thats why I used the words "initial" and "was". Within the context it was correct AFAIK

    4. Re:luddite americans by Rew190 · · Score: 1

      god, you still dont get it at all...

      Either that or you didn't understand that the cost of a cell phone generally isn't what us silly Americans don't like about cells...

      Down, boy.

    5. Re:luddite americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The situation in the US is that we have a choice of at least 3 or 4 cell technologies, while in the UK (and pretty much everywhere else) they are using GSM exclusively.

    6. Re:luddite americans by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      or how a Scottish customers cannot call an English landline or cell phone without paying an extra fee.

      I've been using a mobile in Scotland for the last 10 years, with each of the four main carriers. Never have I heard of this "extra fee".

      the one complaint I have about it is that most of the carriers here won't work in Europe or Asia.

      You should have sorted that out by now. I was making GSM calls all over the world, including China of all places!, 8 years ago.

      We also get free unlimited 3g WAP.

      Minor niggle, but WAP is 2g. GPRS (packet radio, an improvement) is 2.5g. 3G gives you a much higher data rate, hense the video capabilities. For the record, I'd say avoid 3G for now. The handsets suck, the 2.5g ones are light-years ahead. They are drip-feeding the 3G features to encourage upgrading your handset to get new things further down-the-line.

      My friend in Scotland got a tiny phone much more along the lines of something I'd like.

      I would have thought US phones were much the same as ours. I have a tri-band now, but my last one, the incredibly tiny Motorola Vdot (though it wasn't called that when I got it) was dual-band and also available as a US version.

  79. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has a real penis.

  80. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    -1 for massive propagandistic cut and paste. It's nice that he even copied the misspellings!

    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN by chrootstrap · · Score: 2, Informative

      All fine and dandy, but I'm also the original author of the article.

      It may be a shoddy piece of writing, but the sentiment is fresh in my mind and on-topic.

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  81. Multiple Factors by Dan+East · · Score: 1
    Cell phones have several things going against them:
    • Allows others to obtrude into your life (being called direct, or people near you being called)
    • Large recurring expense, especially when you go over your allotted minutes.
    • One more thing to keep track of (keeping it charged, etc)
    • The stigmata of causing tumors (something in the back of most people's minds, or temporal region near the ear, to be more precise).


    A few months ago we went over our minutes and wracked up a $250 bill. We decided to disconnect our service. Besides a few minor occasions when it would have been a convenience, we have found we can survive without a cell phone quite well. I am an amateur radio operator, as well as an active member of the local rescue squad, so I have other (better) methods of communication in the case of an emergency.

    Dan East
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  82. Well by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    You can get a hydrolic pump jack for like $20/$30 that won't require much strength.

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    1. Re:Well by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      Thankyou. I for one welcome the new legislation in the UK which has made simple maintenance part of the driving test.
      Not even maintenance really, only the ability to explain the procedure of changing a tyre (yes, it is a tyre), point out the radiator and oil caps, etc.

    2. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (yes, it is a tyre)

      No, it's not you piece of crap.

  83. 'tis true, sorta by SoupaFly · · Score: 1

    Look here for more info.

  84. Etiquette by P-Nuts · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amongst my friends, when we're in the pub, the only permitted uses of a mobile phone are:

    • To ask other people to come to the pub
    • To give an excuse to your S.O. as to why you'll be late home
  85. You're in the very small minority by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of SUVs go to people who will never take them off road, or drive through foot-thick snow. You think people drive Cadillac Escalades with 20" chrome rims are rugged outdoorsmen?

    Also, most SUVs are front wheel drive, not 4wd. And you can get 4wd cars as well, such as the most Audis, the Mitsubishi Lancer, etc.

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    1. Re:You're in the very small minority by metalix · · Score: 1

      Also, most SUVs are front wheel drive, not 4wd.

      depends on the SUV. A lot of the american SUVs are built off their truck counter parts, and as such have rear wheel drive just like a truck.

      But if the SUV to tow anything, RWD is what you want anyway. This is another reason why it is used in the bigger vehicles. The FWD SUVS usually can only tow as much as a car (1000-2000 lbs). Not that you would want to tow any more with a FWD vehicle.

    2. Re:You're in the very small minority by skzbass · · Score: 0

      hey if the escalade doesnt convince you maybe the timberlands will. hmmm.. Workboots right, but you dont want them to get dirty eh?... the logic is amazing.

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  86. In other news(tm) by ainsoph · · Score: 1, Funny

    State of the Union Drinking Game suggestions:

    1. Whenever George W mentions the liberation of the freedom-loivng Iraqi people, the last person to grab his throat in a choking motion has to drink four shots of beer...

    4. Whenever George W metnions the phrase "sanctity of marriage," take a shot of beer. The first time this happens, the last person to finish has to drink two more shots of beer and do the dishes during the Democratic Response...

    7. If Vice President Dick Cheney or First Lady Laura bush are caught on camera not paying attention and talking to somebody else while Puppet-Boy is still speaking, drink a whole beer.

    ibya or Qaddafi ... 1 drink...

    Any reference to the average family of 4 ...2 drinks...

    Aliens (as reference to immigrants) .... 1 drink...

    Aliens (as reference to extraterrestrials) ...Look wistfully towards the heavens; then finish your drink...

    Anything in Spanish (cualquiera cosa en espanol) ...1 tequila shot, or 1 gulp of cerveza

    1. Re:In other news(tm) by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      30 more minutes people, get ready...
      SOTU drinking game

  87. Survey is off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even though it is a phone survey, I'm suspicious that a better title might be Most Hated Invention. Prehaps the study consisted of national phone calls, but the story gives the impression that it was based soley in Boston, a city with a very niche population.

  88. i hate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    f u. ck cell phones

  89. Turn the blasted thing off by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    What I don't understand is people who complain about being bothered by folks calling their cel, who don't TURN THE DAMN THINGS OFF.

    Celphones have an OFF button damnit! If you're going to be busy for the next hour, or in a movie, etc., just turn it off! Anyone who calls can leave voice mail if they really need to contact you.

    If your phone annoys you, turn it off for a while! Try it; it's amazing how liberating it can be.

    1. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by CitizenJohnJohn · · Score: 1

      What's annoying is calls to other people's phones.

    2. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but that's what jammers are for.

    3. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Yeah, some idiot almost got lynched in the theatre when I went to see RotK.

      Jaysyn

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    4. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm certain you've never annoyed another over-sensitive citizen with a conversation on your cell phone. I'm sure that others are the only ones that ever use them in a way that could be even remotely considered inappropriate.

      As a matter of fact, I think you're on to something. I think my life would be way, way better if I could just control the things other people did. I mean, if they just did all the things and only the things I wanted them to, I would never be annoyed by their cell phones, or crying babies, or poor driving habits, or stinky armpits. Boy, that sure would be great! I sure would like to live in a society like that.

      [/sarcasm]

      I've got a better idea. How about you stop worrying about other peoples' behavior, and work on making sure your own is above reproach. I know for a fact that I inadvertantly annoy people on a regular basis. I don't know WHY, because I'm really a pretty considerate guy. I like to say please and thank you, I'm courteous to people who wait on me, I open doors for and smile at fellow pedestrians, but I'm certain that, at some point this week, somebody's going to think "That guy's a dick."

      I can't do anything about that. It doesn't bother me too much. I can, however, make it my mission to be as polite and considerate as I can of others, and that includes not worrying too much about the times when they annoy me. It doesn't do me any good, and it certainly won't change their behavior.

      So, in other words, lighten up. They're probably not intending to piss you off.

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    5. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...They're probably not intending to piss you off.


      No shit? To think that I thought the guy was making a joke...

    6. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      If your phone annoys you, turn it off for a while! Try it; it's amazing how liberating it can be.

      You have just moved the phone from passively annoying (hangs around and occasionally does something horrible) to actively annoying (something I have to think about and interact with).

      Besides, if I could legitimatly turn it off for significant amounts of (working hours) time, I wouldn't have one at all. The only reason to have one is to be contactable in a hurry.

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    7. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by DevNova · · Score: 1

      And if your babysitter is trying to get a hold of you because of an emergency? A lot of good voice mail is going to do you, as is a cell phone that's not turned on.

    8. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by WNight · · Score: 1

      And you're going to hop up from the movie and rush home in time to administer the life-saving treatment?

      What would you have done without a cell-phone? Learned two hours later that your babysitter called 911 and took the kid to emergency? So do the same thing now.

      If being disturbed is a problem, don't be disturbed. If you can't do anything to help, don't let people disturb you.

    9. Re:Turn the blasted thing off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god, you're right! You know it's simply unfathomable that the human race even made it to the point before cell phones were invented. How the hell did they survive?!?

      If you're so fucking worried about an emergency, stay home. Don't fuck up everyone else's enjoyable evening in public because of your own damn self importance. Or put your phone on vibrate. Then calmly remove yourself from the theater (or wherever) without disturbing others and return the call out of range of the event. How fucking difficult is that?

      The problem is jackasses like you who believe that the rest of the world can go fuck themselves and be annoyed just so you can be a lazy ass. It amazes me how inconsiderate people are -- they've probably always been that way since the dawn of time, but cellphones really amplify this fact.

      You know what else amazes me about cell phones? People who are engaged in an activity with a friend/family member, who get a call and answer it! Jesus, unless it's an emergency, just note the number and call them back later. Think about it: how rude is it to completely drop whatever you were doing (nice dinner with your SO, for example) to take a call from your friend who wants to chat about their day. But I see this all the time. And the other person is just sitting there, nothing to do, waiting for the call to end. People think this isn't rude?? God, if someone did this to me, I'd either grab the phone and end the call, or leave. Unless it's truly urgent.

      Conclusion: people are inconsiderate jackasses. I'm sure you are, as am I. No exceptions. So piss off! :)

  90. I'm Suprised It's Not Computers by miyako · · Score: 1

    This is something that most of the /. crowd would consider one of the best inventions, and why not, most of us use computers as a hobby or a way of making a living, and probably both, but when I look at the average person, they seem to feel almost as if computers were built specifically to annoy them.
    As technology becomes more pervasive in our society it is now nearly imossible for one to live without using a computer on a fairly regular basis (say once or twice a week for 30 minutes to an hour per session minimum), and yet most people are clueless enough to get in to a number of problems.
    Perhaps my vision is skewed because the only time I hear my family and a majority of my friends mention the computer is when they seem to be having a problem with it, but from my own observations, people seem to think they can't live without a computer, and yet they are constantly having problems with viruses, bad drivers, or the consequences of some stupid thing they've done ("I didn't know what those .dll files were, but my friend told me they were viruses so I deleted them all").
    I don't know how many times I've heard something to extent of "I hate the damn thing and wish I could just get rid of it".

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  91. Model Airplanes by ShawnDoc · · Score: 0
    The technology that I hate most is model r/c airplanes. The damn things look so cool hanging from the hobby shop ceiling.

    You end up spending more money on one than it would cost you to built a moderate PC, spend hours upon hours assembling it, then wreck it 5 mintues into its maiden flight because you couldn't find anywhere where to fly the damn thing that had enough open tree-free space.

    So then you swear off the whole model rc thing. But about 3 weeks later you decide you've got to do something with all the old radio equipment and servos from the last plane, so you buy a new model so the parts don't go to waste. Then you find out you need a new ESC and smaller/bigger servos so go spend more money. Then spend hours assembling it again just to crash it 5 minutes into its maiden flight.

    This process repeats ad nausem.

    And if you do manage to find a big enough open space that you can fly your plane for more than 5 minutes, you quickly learn that it is really fucking boring flying a model R/C plane.

    "Oh look, I just flew another circle. Oooh, I did a barrel roll. Ooooh, I just did a loop. Now what?"

    1. Re:Model Airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now, use the engine/servos to build a model motorboat and scare geese at the local pond.

  92. Heh by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    Given that most elevators are giant metal boxes, it probably won't be much of an issue.

    But yeah. I can understand not wanting to hear someone in a library, or a movie theater. But an elevator? Would the above poster be upset about two people having a conversation in one?

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    1. Re:Heh by RevMike · · Score: 1
      But yeah. I can understand not wanting to hear someone in a library, or a movie theater. But an elevator? Would the above poster be upset about two people having a conversation in one?

      My favorite is the public restroom. Sometimes I'd be sitting in a stall and I'd think that one of my colleagues has walked in and sat down next to me. I'd pull out my cell phone and dial his phone. If he answered I'd quickly hang up, the yell "You use your phone on the toilet? That's disgusting!"

    2. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you still don't have a job? jesus, you must have a shitty resume.

  93. In other news Vol. II (edit) by ainsoph · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Its almost drinking time again. Why? Cos whenever Geo Bush speaks, its so depressing one must either get totally fucked up, or jump off the highest bridge in town.

    Here are some suggestions for State of the Union drinking games:

    Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:17 PM

    The George W Bush State Of The Union Address Drinking Game

    What You Need:

    A group of four taxpayers: including 1 white guy wearing a suit, 2 wearing normal clothes and 1 in semi- shabby clothes.

    A shot glass per person (all bought in a second hand store)

    100 tiny toothpicks with American flags wrapped around them.

    A slab of soft French cheese, ie: brie.

    A large stash of beer. The one in the ragged clothing gets the cheapest crap you can find, like Milwaukee's Best; the white guy in the suit gets to drink whatever import he wants; and the other two pick between Bud and Miller Lite.

    Rules of the Game:

    1. Whenever George W mentions the liberation of the freedom loving Iraqi people, the last person to grab his throat in a choking motion has to drink four shots of beer.

    2. Whenever George W uses the words: "God," "America" or "jobs," drink a shot of beer.

    3. Whenever George W mispronounces the word "terrorism" the last person to knock on wood drinks two shots of beer.

    4. Whenever George W mentions the phrase "sanctity of marriage," take a shot of beer. The first time this happens, the last person to finish has to drink two more shots of beer and do the dishes during the Democratic Response.

    5. Whenever the speech is interrupted by applause, the last person to stick one of the American flag toothpicks into the soft French cheese from a distance of two feet drinks two shots of beer. The white guy in the suit gets an extra chance each round.

    6. Whenever George W smirks during a standing ovation, take turns drinking shots of beer until the audience sits down. Do it double time if his shoulders shake with silent laughter.

    7. If the Vice President Dick Cheney or First Lady Laura Bush are caught on camera not paying attention and talking to somebody else while Puppet- Boy is still speaking, drink a whole beer.

    8. If George W Bush mentions Halliburton, his inability to find the Weapons of Mass Destruction or Osama bin Laden, the white guy in the suit has to drink a shot of everybody else's beer out of their shot glass, and they get to wipe their glass clean on his jacket.

    9. If George W Bush attempts to make a joke, anybody who laughs drinks three shots of beer.

    10. Whenever George W Bush quotes the Bible or uses the word "evildoers" in a sentence, the last person to fall to their knees drinks two shots of beer. If he pulls a quote from the Bible about "evildoers," the last person to get prostrate, drinks an entire beer.

    Extras:

    1. The white guy in the suit gets to kick the person wearing the shabby clothes if George W uses a heartfelt story of an individual's grace and or courage under pressure to illustrate a point. He gets 15 seconds to kick everybody if that person is in the audience sitting next to an astronaut.

    2. Everybody gets to kick the crap out of the guy in the suit for 15 seconds, only if Bush's teleprompter goes out and he begins to flail about mumbling nonsense about his days with the Texas Rangers.

    Source

    1. Re:In other news Vol. II (edit) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone please mod parent offtopic

    2. Re:In other news Vol. II (edit) by ainsoph · · Score: 1

      it doesnt get any more on topic than this buddy..

  94. Vibrate.. by Foole · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else here work with people who leave their phone on their desk with vibrate turned on and then go out to lunch? *beep* *grind* *beep* *grind* *beep* *grind* *pause* BEEP BEEP BEEP repeat.

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    1. Re:Vibrate.. by tommck · · Score: 1

      Yeah... I usually just take it and put it under my nut sack...

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  95. For those that really *hate* by speby · · Score: 1

    cell phones... IIRC, I believe (not sure about this, maybe its just a rumor) one can have a cell phone without a particular provider, but legal requirements (someone correct me if I am wrong) require that you still be able to use the phone to make emergency response (police, fire, etc.) phone calls even without a service plan through a particular provider. So, those of you with those nasty old Motorola analog 'bag' car phones, you might have a use for a cell phone with no service plan. If anyone has more info. or corrections, please post 'em.

    1. Re:For those that really *hate* by andyrut · · Score: 1
  96. You need it, but damn do you want to break it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need it, but damn do you want to break it sometimes.

    Where have I heard this phrase before?

    You need it, but damn do you want to break it sometimes.

    Ah--ha! You're talking about a virgin's vagina, the unpopped "cherry" region!

    You need it, but damn do you want to break it sometimes.

    I agree! Fuck her 'till the blood runs into her stool!

  97. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 56 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's going to happen when Stephen King really does die? Nobody will believe it

  98. Re:KERRY IS SO GOING TO KICK DEANS ASS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a statement Monday, the 75-year-old multimillionaire says the Chicago-based maker of food, apparel and household products told him last year he no longer meets the company's marketing needs.

    I hear he's being replaced by Abe Froman.

  99. Boy, Ain't That The Truth by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    No one mentioned Microsoft Office. Most people who use it hate it, but almost no one in the corporate world can live without it. it's the classic situation of "I use it because I have to."

    That's the truth, alright, from my experience. I feel the same way about Windows XP, right about now, too. And VB.NET, come to think of it. Problem is, knowing this stuff and putting up with it are what drive the paycheck. I was just thinking a few hours ago how easy it used to be to do database programming until I got saddled with .NET, easily spend 5 to 10 times the hours doing something which used to be simple, though I'm trying to work toward developing my own toolkit, it's still a painful environment to work in. I need one big button that turns all this "user friendly" shit off so I can get work done.

    And now for something completely different.

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    1. Re:Boy, Ain't That The Truth by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't hate MS Office. It does everything I need it to. The only thing i hate is the price.

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    2. Re:Boy, Ain't That The Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not an anonymous coward I just hate it when I am forced to create yet another account that I have to remember a password for. I just wanted to say that I too would like one big turn off the "user friendly crap" button. If I wanted it Mac MicroSoft I would have bought one. You can even call it the UFC Button.

    3. Re:Boy, Ain't That The Truth by Tukla · · Score: 1

      People pay for MS Office?!

  100. Why do we do this? by luckyguesser · · Score: 1

    Why do we research and post articles about things we have made, but that we hate? Why not use that time and energy for something else? Seriously... write about stuff that helps, not stuff that hurts. As for cell phones, I agree with another poster here, who wonders aloud why people are annoyed at cell phones, but no one turns them off when they don't want to be bothered. My conclusion is that humans find humans annoying, and we all like to blame it on crap.

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  101. Re:Don't hate the cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    heheh, tru dat.

  102. My ex wife? by rs79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Know why divorce is so expensive?

    Because it's WORTH IT.

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  103. +1 Informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You deserve it.

  104. Passive Aggressive Phone (non) Usage by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

    Not to mention learning to talk in "interference." That is a basic strategy of simulating bad reception. As is:

    "Hello, you s --- er is --- w --- che --- reboot, to see if --- a --- and --- te --- bi --- co --- as I told him wh --- b --- pek."

    It's easy to train yourself to speak this way very convincingly. Then, the caller will claim a bad connection, and will hang up, so they can call again to get a better connection. Let that call go to voicemail.

    If you get called to task later, you can always claim to have been driving through "a known dead area."

    Then again, you can also just hit "cancel" (or the equivalent) on most phones when they're ringing, and it'll go to voicemail or give up.

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  105. have cell phone -- nobody has the number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree -- I haven't turned mine on in weeks, but when I need to call someone on a whim or like you said in an emergency, it's there.

    People are really suprised when I won't give them my cell phone number. Screw that -- if I'm alone, they can email me with their problems, and I'll deal with them on their time, not my free time.

    Some people have nothing better to do than yap on the phone all the time it seems.

  106. history and evil ringtones by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Those who do not read history...

    Really, the cell phone is just a continuation of other communication technology. I remember reading how bad even the telegraph was. People sending runners to your house at all hours of the night. The telephone was worse. A person could no longer leave work at work. With the telephone you could be disturbed at any time of the day or night, and it was so easy, that anyone who could afford it felt they had a right. I have heard some say that the telephone was a significant contributing factor to the end of doctors making house calls. The simple equation is that as communication becomes cheaper, the data transmitted becomes less information and more junk.

    As far as the people who just say "turn it off", I have but one question. Do you turn off your phone at home? Do you value your family and friends enough to not answer the phone when they are present as guests in your house? Do you fight the social pressures to answer the phone? I do not worry about missing calls, and I deal with the social ridicule that results from my decision. I know that not everyone has the freedom to miss calls, and some just want to take the path of least resistance. Not mention that fact that some jobs will fire you if you are not available 24/7.

    OTOH, there is a difference between the path of least resistance and purposefully antagonizing the people around you with silly ringtones and constant babbling. Therefore, my least favorite invention if the musical ringtone, and I can think of few punishments that would be too severe for their users. The constant babling, as I have said, is an inevitable result of the cheapness of the medium.

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    1. Re:history and evil ringtones by fruey · · Score: 1
      Do you turn off your phone at home? Do you value your family and friends enough to not answer the phone when they are present as guests in your house? Do you fight the social pressures to answer the phone? I do not worry about missing calls, and I deal with the social ridicule that results from my decision. I know that not everyone has the freedom to miss calls, and some just want to take the path of least resistance.

      You are so right. This is one of the most insightful things I've read on Slashdot in a while. Particularly the question : Do you value your family and friends enough to not answer the phone when they are present as guests in your house? There is nothing more annoying than actually going across town to see someone, and spending half your time just sitting there while they talk on the phone. Without adding in that a lot of people now think it's acceptable to just call without ever seeing you any more... and that very few people just 'drop in' on me any more. In fact, none. They all call first. They assume this is a courtesy, which sometimes it is. But then, I have enough about me to be able to tell people that the time they have chosen to call/visit is inconvenient, in a polite way.

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    2. Re:history and evil ringtones by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Do you turn off your phone at home?

      No.

      Do you value your family and friends enough to not answer the phone when they are present as guests in your house?

      Yes.

      Do you fight the social pressures to answer the phone?

      I've never felt any "social pressures to answer the phone" at all. Some people expect that there will always be someone picking up a phone, but they can be the ones spitting into the wind, it doesn't bother me at all. If they can't leave a message, they aren't smart enough for me to waste my time on, anyhow.

      The constant babling, as I have said, is an inevitable result of the cheapness of the medium.

      You are completely mixing-up price and convince-factor. If cell-phones were 10x more expensive, you'd see people talking nearly as much. It's the convience of being able to run over a child on a bicycle while being pitched products by telemarketers that keeps cell-phone popular.
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  107. Re:Off switch for other people's phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes you can.

    Simply deploy the Remote Cell Phone DeActivation Tool.

    You can find these in many sporting goods stores. I recommend the 9mm version.

    WARNING: Remote Cell Phone DeActivation Tools may be illegal in your jurisdiction. Using the tool against the person rather than the phone is generally frowned upon, unless your father happens to be a high-power dictator in the jurisdiction in question.

  108. The problem with cellphones.... by Roadmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    is not the phones in themselves, it's that people have no education and no respect for everyone else. It's a simple matter of not being annoying: don't use your cellphone when doing so turns you into a hazard for other people (driving), be smart when choosing the phone's alerts (don't select your loudest, most annoying ringtone when you're at a classical concert) and for god's freaking sake, DON'T YELL WHEN ON THE PHONE!!

    1. Re:The problem with cellphones.... by forkboy · · Score: 1

      This is spoofed brilliantly in Trigger Happy TV. There's a recurring sketch where the main "actor" is somewhere appropriately quiet and you hear the traditional Nokia ringtone. (I think it's Nokia anyway...it's a very common default tone)

      When he picks up the phone, it's about 2 feet high by 1 foot wide, and he screams at the top of his lungs into it. I can't stress how funny this really is to see.

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  109. Hate your cell phone? by finelinebob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Then turn it off, forchrissakes! That's what voice mail is for!

  110. Bah! by Beaker1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The PAGER is a thousand times worse then a cell phone.

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    1. Re:Bah! by acvh · · Score: 1

      do people even use these anymore? I haven't seen one in a long time.

  111. internal combustion engine by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    But then, does a fish realize that it's in water?

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  112. 7 minute snooze by plasm4 · · Score: 0, Informative

    it makes sense to me, my alarm clock have a 7 minute snooze

  113. another one. by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1
    Here's another invention many of us have come to hate but can't live without: money

    Okay, I admit I'd probably like it a lot better if I had more of it!

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  114. My thoughts about cell phones by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 3, Funny

    I really think that cell phones are an integral part of ... umm ... hang on a sec, my cell is ringing...

    [away] ... crap! I forgot the point I was trying to make.

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  115. I thought it was Windows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This must be a mistake. I love the cell phone... use it whenever I get lost to call a friend and find the directions... if my car breaks down, I can use it to call AAA to tow my car... while Windows allows my computer to crash and offer no towing to Bill's garage.

  116. Oh, sweet irony by rs79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We have a cell phone, or rather my wife does. It sits in the kitchen in its cradle 99% of the time. We'll use it if we're going more than into town (we live way out in the country) and is really for emergancies.

    The only person it annoyes is me when the bill comes ("golly aren't roaming charges large").

    So, I RTFA and what do I see? Blinky blinky flashy flash flash flash blink blink ads strewn all over the page with wild abondon.

    I can live with annoying cell phones; granted I don't live in those bastions of near infinite politeness such as New York or LA where they seem to be more obtrusive than they do in say Madoc or Belleville, but if I could go back in time and kill the clown that invented animated gifs and flash I probably would.

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    1. Re:Oh, sweet irony by criordan · · Score: 1, Informative

      Have you thought about a pay-as-you-go system? For someone like me who only uses cell phones for emergencies they work out pretty well.

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    2. Re:Oh, sweet irony by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      Ah, but then we'd lose some real jewels. Like this one

  117. annoying by default by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cellphones should ship on "vibrate" by default, requiring users to "opt-in" to audible rings. Ringing used to make sense when the phone was stationary, tethered somewhere in the privacy of a house/office. But now they are more often in earshot of many people, often with the same ring. Just defaulting to vibrate might not be a perfect solution, but its a lesser problem than the current cacophony.

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    1. Re:annoying by default by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that they ring - and keep ringing - and keep ringing... and then the embarrassed owner is fumbling around trying to find his phone while it's still ringing - he pulls it out of his bag and it's ringing louder and louder, and finally he turns it off. Whoop. Seriously why can't it just go *beep beep* once and be done with it. Who really misses the first ring?

    2. Re:annoying by default by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      Since we're on the subject of ringtones, it seems fitting to make a reference to Platonic Chain. There's a funny scene in it about a girl, in an attempt to pick up guys, has Platonic Chain setup so that whenever a guy that meets her profile gets within ear reach, her phone goes off with his ring tone. The reason being that it makes the guy stop to answer his phone, and when he notices it's her phone ringing, it's a conversation starter they both have the same ringtone. So, at least in anime, that cacophony of sound has some use.

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    3. Re:annoying by default by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We need to start making "democratic" phones using the bluetooth adapters. If a room has 10 people with mobiles, and 7 of them are set on silent, the others should be forced onto silent by some kind of broadcast signal and not allowed to be used for speech or any other noise generation (except calling 999/911).

      You could even force people to send SMS, instead of "incoming call" they'd get "someone called, but nobody else in the room wants to hear your conversation, text them instead or walk outside.".

      Unfortunately history has proven that you cannot really trust *people* (in general) with anything. Expecting the masses to be polite or even remotely considerate with something as "technical" as a mobile phone is a waste of time frankly.

    4. Re:annoying by default by glinden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great point. Vibrate or single beep instead of a loud full length ring by default.

      While many people do customize their cell phone's ring tones, as with any customer electronic device, the vast majority probably never change the settings from the defaults. Just making the default setting the least annoying one would have a big impact.

    5. Re:annoying by default by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      A great feature would be a "hush" signal, scoped to a room. It would fill a room with a "hush level" suggestion, from "no service", "message warning only", "SMS only", "vibrate only", to "ring all you like". Phones would take it as a suggestion, and ship to users with the suggestion enforced, by default. Bluetooth is a good way to keep the signal scoped within a room. Private property owners, like restaurants, movie theaters, bookstores, and some public places like buses, could post a sign and the hush signal. Then people who don't hush are treated like library shouters: dirty looks and security guards. I'ms sure that once we've got this spam problem licked once and for all, we'll get right on top of rude ringers.

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  118. Not what I'm saying by Elpacoloco · · Score: 1

    Most bosses I know of really do seem to think that all employees are potentially on call 24/7.

    After all, "It's a bad economy hur hur hur do what I say or I get another monkey that only needs half your salary you bloated overpaid college hippy scum."

    1. Re:Not what I'm saying by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

      Most bosses I know of really do seem to think that all employees are potentially on call 24/7.
      I'm on call 24/7, it is in my contract. In fact, it's in everyones contract. But the boss understands that if I need my privacy, I turn the phone off. So the next in order gets the call. And if I'm called out to work in my spare time, I get GOOD compensation.

      For the ones that don't get compensated even while being forced to work; let the boss have a taste of his / her own medicine. Call the boss up at his / her home after you have been called out to discuss details, give updates etc. Let them see how funny it is.

  119. You schmuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You went ahead and RE-married TWICE?

    You deserve what you get.

  120. How ironic by prockcore · · Score: 1

    My most hated invention is The Survey.

  121. This is your brain on cellphone radiation by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    from Popular Science http://www.popsci.com/popsci/medicine/article/0,12 543,573349,00.html
    (link contains rat brain slices photos)

    The safety of cellphones has been called into question, again. This time the scientific community is paying very close attention.

    Last summer neurosurgeon Leif Salford and colleagues at Lund University in Sweden published data showing for the first time an unambiguous link between microwave radiation emitted by GSM mobile phones (the most common type worldwide) and brain damage in rats. If Salford's results are confirmed by follow-up studies in the works at research facilities worldwide, including one run by the U.S. Air Force, the data could have serious implications for the one billion?plus people glued to their cellphones.

    The findings have re-ignited a longstanding debate among scientists and cellphone manufacturers over cellphone safety.

    Many of the hundreds of studies performed during the past decade suggest cellphone use may cause a host of adverse effects, including headaches and memory loss. Other studies, however, have shown no such effects, and no scientific consensus exists about the effect of long-term, low-level radiation on the brain and other organs. A comprehensive $12 million federal investigation of cellphone safety is currently under way but will take at least five years to complete.

    Meanwhile, the research world is scrambling to replicate Salford's surprising results. His team exposed 32 rats to 2 hours of microwave radiation from GSM cellphones. Researchers attached the phones to the sides of the rats' small cages using coaxial cables -- allowing for intermittent direct exposure -- and varied the intensity of radiation in each treatment group to reflect the range of exposures a human cellphone user might experience over the same time period. Fifty days after the 2-hour exposure, the rat brains showed significant blood vessel leakage, as well as areas of shrunken, damaged neurons. The higher the radiation exposure level, the more damage was apparent. The controls, by contrast, showed little to no damage. If human brains are similarly affected, Salford says, the damage could produce measurable, long-term mental deficits.

    The cellphone industry so far has been quick to dismiss the data, saying emissions from current mobiles fall well within the range of radiation levels the FCC deems safe (body-tissue absorption rates of under 1.6 watts per kilogram). "Expert reviews of studies done over the past 30 years have found no reason to believe that there are any health hazards whatsoever," says Mays Swicord, scientific director of Motorola's Electromagnetic Energy Programs. Dr. Marvin Ziskin, chair of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers' Committee on Man and Radiation, is similarly skeptical. "The levels of radiation they used seem way too low to be producing the kinds of effects they're claiming."

    Salford is the first to admit that it's too early to draw any conclusions, but contends the unusual results deserve a closer look. "The cellphone is a marvelous invention; it has probably saved thousands of lives," he says. "But governments and suppliers should be supporting more autonomous research." Meanwhile, Salford advises users to invest in hands-free headsets to reduce radiation exposure to the brain.

  122. Best Alarm Clock UI... by Chicks_Hate_Me · · Score: 2, Funny
    crontab -e

    ; )

  123. Most hated invention - Telemarketing by b_scott_g · · Score: 1

    Uh, like phone surveys such as this one...

  124. The Computer by ari_j · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hate the computer. Without the invention of the computer, I wouldn't have a dead-end job while waiting for the economy to recover right now. I'd be turning dirt black like my proud ancestors.

  125. EverCrack by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd have to say that EverCrack is pretty high up there on the list.

  126. Good way to reduce SUV uptake by MarcQuadra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Alright, I had this great idea. I live in Providence, we have a lot of bike and pedestrian traffic and really shitty downtown and campus parking. I think they should paint ALL parking spaces the size of small cars and give $50 tickets to violators. Of course the city would have to put up a few more garages for SUVs and trucks, but the revenue from tose operations could go straight to the city.

    Overall, driving expenditures, be it buying the car or paying gas just removes money from the local economy here. We'd be doing ourselves a huge favor here if we implemented strict laws to reduce dumb consumer spending.

    --
    "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    1. Re:Good way to reduce SUV uptake by tommck · · Score: 1

      I think they should paint ALL parking spaces the size of small cars and give $50 tickets to violators. Of course the city would have to put up a few more garages for SUVs and trucks, but the revenue from tose operations could go straight to the city.

      What about:

      A person with a large family?
      Cops?
      Ambulances?
      Tow trucks?
      Taxis?
      The carpenter/plumber/painter's truck that needs to go fix something in your apartment?
      A small business owner that needs a large vehicle to transport equipment?

      None of these is the size of a small car. You don't want them to be able to park anywhere?

      What about when my driver comes to pick me up in the limo? I know he always just double-parks out front anyway, but shouldn't he at least have the _option_ of parking legally? (ok. That's not a good example...)

      --
      ---- It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told.
    2. Re:Good way to reduce SUV uptake by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      Alright, downtown Boston has almost no curb parking, but the painters still get to paint, the deliveries all get made, and the CEOs still get picked up in their limos. If you're 'in business' you're generally willing to spend some to make some, money finds a way.

      City services won't have any trouble, they don't today, and shrinking down the parked vehicles' sizes won't change a thing from their POV, except that in an extreme situation it's a LOT easier for a fire truck to 'move' a Civic than an Explorer.

      As for large families, I rode VERY comfortably with my two sisters and both parents in a compact station wagon.

      We SHOULD make things a bit harder and more expensive for people who want to breed prodigously, it's good long-term policy.

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    3. Re:Good way to reduce SUV uptake by hambonewilkins · · Score: 0

      Agreed. If you have the money to afford 8 kids and a huge SUV, you can probably afford to pay more for parking. Don't even get me started on road taxes.

      --

      God Bless America. Why? Did it sneeze?
  127. Just me. by Raven42rac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a cell phone, unfortunately. It is understood that it is nothing personal if I do not answer, I will get back to you. I leave it on vibrate in any potentially sensitive situation (movie, dinner, etc). I also use it in case *extreme* emergency situations at work, only when I can not be reached by land line phone, or e-mail, this is understood by the brass. It is my personal phone so I am not on a ball and chain. If it rings while I am in traffic, I do not answer. I call back when I come to a permanent stop. Yeah it is the worst invention, if used irresponsibly, as are guns and knives.

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    I hate sigs.
    1. Re:Just me. by mog007 · · Score: 1

      Yeah it is the worst invention, if used irresponsibly, as are guns and knives.

      Knives, I can see, but guns? Guns were not invented to hunt, they were invented to kill people. The first guns produced were not accurate enough for hunting purposes, and besides people still had the use of the bow and arrow. Guns and cell phones are devices invented to destroy a human life.

  128. You know nothing ! by SiliBelgian · · Score: 1

    Windows is not an invention !
    It comes by default on every computer...
    It's like spam: it's everywhere, it's annoying and it costs money...

    --


    "Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun."
  129. One time I needed it by KalvinB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't have it. I was rounding a freeway loop when the cord going from the gas pedal to the engine decided to detach itself from the pedal. I drive a 74 VW.

    After rolling to a stop at the side of the freeway I had exactly one option. Get out and start walking. A mile and a half later (1 mile of it walking along the freeway) I made it to a church where a wedding rehersal happened to be going on and borrowed a phone. Fortunatly the freeway was designed to have things planted along side of it so I wasn't walking a couple feet from traffic going 70 miles per hour. I was walking in dirt about 8 feet above and off to the side of traffic.

    I use AT&T and just use their $20 per month plan. I actually got paid $80 to take a Nokia phone through Amazon.com. They're definitly worth the cost. If you don't want to be annoyed by people calling you, don't give your number to people who will annoy you. Give them your home number.

    It's also great to have when you go places with a group and want to break off.

    Ben

  130. I can't live without.... by scdeimos · · Score: 1

    ... my cell phone? No way.

    I can't live without toilet paper. :P

  131. Speaking of damn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    funny that you should use that word on the nite that I have just installed "Damn Small Linux". Well, not "installed", as it runs in ram only. I fell for the "Got Bandwidth" item on the menu, and DSL installed MozillaFireBird and Flash 6 in about 30 minutes or so, (dial up), and I am using that to post now. Using a Toshiba 4015CDS laptop, it's a PII, with about 160 MB ram. DSL loaded up quickly, and I was able to sudo su and make a wvdial.conf and a resolv.conf and get on the web quick with the excellent Dillo browser that's included.

    Now for the bad part. I only have one USB port, and the mouse is plugged into that. I need to put a USB memory key in apparently to be able to save MozillaFirebird IMHO. I've got my wvdial saved on floppy, there is a DSL utility to do that once you have mounted the floppy.

    So, this installation of Firebird will probably disappear once I turn the machine off. I could leave it on. Sorry for getting off the cellphone thread, but I couldn't help myself.

  132. My vote would be... by smithmc · · Score: 0, Redundant


    ...Slashdot!

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    Downmodding is the refuge of the weak. Don't downmod, make a better argument!
  133. small question by dedmunkeeboi · · Score: 0

    maybe this has been asked already but i'm too lazy to go look through all the comments. would it not be cheaper for the bells to move the phone system to an all wireless solution? what sort of limitations would there be to doing this? i would imagine you could cut costs by having to hire less people for the up keep of equipment and for repairs since you'd have a small amount of towers to work with in a given area. less people also means smaller fleet of vehicles and tools need to keep on hand and office space is reduced.

    am i wrong in my reasoning?

  134. This says it all! by erf007 · · Score: 3, Funny
    The random telephone survey of 1,023 adults and 500 teenagers was conducted Nov. 12-19 by Princeton, N.J.-based Taylor Nelson Sofres Intersearch and was released Wednesday

    I wonder if they called people on their cell phones to survey them!!! No wonder it's hated!

  135. you need to relax by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    So your car's broken down and you're in the middle of nowhere. It's not the end of the world. Just sit back and relax until someone takes you to the nearest gas-station so you can get it fixed. At least that way you have a neet story to tell about your otherwise booring and uneventfull roadtrip.

    1. Re:you need to relax by Skater · · Score: 1

      In the freezing cold, late for work, yeah, that's a good plan. Hint: breakdowns never happen when it's convenient or only even a minor inconvenience. Example: people have their car break down in the middle of traffic and can't get it to the side of the road. I see that problem all the time.

      Not to mention the dangers of being picked up by a complete stranger. Especially for women...

      --RJ

    2. Re:you need to relax by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, You really do need to relax if you think that some random stranger is going to rape and murder you, hou often do you thank that happens.

    3. Re:you need to relax by Skater · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm male, so I don't think it's likely to happen to me.

      But, some women were recently kidnapped (in separate incidents) from a busy local mall and made to drive several miles. One was raped, another got away.

      You must live in a pretty safe area. The area where those kidnappings occurred is relatively safe--I don't have much concern outside car theft when I go there--but obviously bad things can happen.

      --RJ

    4. Re:you need to relax by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      It's not really that the area I live in is safe as much as it is sparsly populated(northern Idaho). Incidents like that don't happen very often, but the more people you have the more likely it is. At any rate, it's not very likely to happen to any one person.

      The stress from worrying about it is probably worse than the possibility it might happen.

  136. Maybe they have the wrong cell phone. by jchawk · · Score: 1

    Maybe these people just have the wrong cell phones... I have a treo 600 and it is by far my most favorite gadget! :-)

  137. no, that's not what it shows by ajagci · · Score: 1

    If the-most-hated-invention equals the-most-indispensable-invention, that's a completely different thing from determining the-invention-you-hate-most-but-find-indispensable . The former would be really surprising, the latter is just an odd factoid.

  138. The computer is the best invention by Mauvious · · Score: 1

    Well according to most nerds at least. Doesn't everyone love to debug their software for hourse to find a missing semi-colon? Okay, so maybe the government can keep tabs on you and you are bombarded with tons of spam in your email box, but still?

  139. In America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most hated invention in America.

    That's kind of like a bold statement! How can people know what people think throughout the continent of America? Has these folks polled folks throughout the Caribean and throughout South and Central America.

    What definition of America is this guy using? Does anyone understand that the name America was originally given to the three islands discovered by Cristobal Colon (aka Christopher Columbus): Cuba, La Espaniola and Puerto Rico. Does anyone realized that the name America is based from the Spanish translation of Colon's navigator, Amerigo Vespucci, which was Americo Vespuzio. Does anyone know that there is something known as history?

  140. Nukes! by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody said nuclear weapons? If you think cellphones ring loud.....

    1. Re:Nukes! by radja · · Score: 1

      nobody thinks they cant live without nukes...

      --

      No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
      --Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
  141. THANK YOU. by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    I was going to say more or less this, but you put it far more succinctly than I could have.

    Consider this post an "I second that!"

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    +++ATH0
  142. Invention? by erice · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Office is not an invention, though. "The office suite" could be. The automobile is an invention. Ford Taurus is not.

  143. life imitates anime by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    As we're wandering further offtopic, I note that if she can get the guy's ringtone, she has access to his private data, which would be even more annoying than just hearing the tip of that iceberg ringing.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

    1. Re:life imitates anime by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      That's what Platonic Chain basically is, a huge database of data and people using tools to grep through it to do interesting things (like building profiles based on security camera data, then weeding down candidates). Platonic Chain is a really light hearted view of what would happen if just about all publicly viewable information was accessible. It's also fun. You might want to check out an episode.

      --
      Eurohacker European paranoia, gun rights, and h
  144. speaking of SPD: Cobain was Murdered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they danced with him at the morgue

  145. Because of women by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see a *lot* of women that put their cell in a purse. Not only does this mean that the vibrate function is useless, but it means that when the audible rings start, they start fumbling around in their bag. Extremely annoying.

    1. Re:Because of women by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If only more women read this thread, we might get a constructive solution to that one.

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      --
      make install -not war

    2. Re:Because of women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a place where it would feel great when her cell phone vibrates.

    3. Re:Because of women by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      When you use them a lot, they *heat up* AND vibrate ;).

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      --
      make install -not war

    4. Re:Because of women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a *lot* of women that put their cell in a purse. Not only does this mean that the vibrate function is useless, but it means that when the audible rings start, they start fumbling around in their bag. Extremely annoying.
      Well yeah, and as a woman I find it extremely annoying that half the business casual clothes for my gender don't have pockets. If our culture didn't spend so much effort trying to make women have the perfect figures, maybe more women would use said pockets.

    5. Re:Because of women by ryleyb · · Score: 1

      Someone else in this thread mentions the use of bluetooth, but in a different capacity. My suggestion is to create a bluetooth button that a girl can say clip to her jeans, which vibrates when her phone rings in her purse. I proposed this to a few big city girls, and they thought it was a great idea.... Now where's my factory...

      (I'll leave the jokes this idea sets up to people replying)

    6. Re:Because of women by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't take a factory. You could probably build something like this by hand. You can get USB chipsets individually pretty cheaply, and I'd imagine the case is the same for Bluetooth.

    7. Re:Because of women by thelenm · · Score: 1

      It's especially annoying in movie theaters because you know the ringing is going to get louder before it stops. I always hate hearing a muffled ring, because the sheer anticipation of the person pulling it out of the purse/bag to turn it off is almost worse than the ring itself.

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      Use Ctrl-C instead of ESC in Vim!
  146. Re:Those little cards that fall out of magazines by slickwillie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They were, I thought, at one time the most hated thing of all time. And we can't live without magazines, right?

  147. not me by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

    I'm very happy with mine. I can read books on it, surf the web, send email... and yes, this DOES come in handy.

    I'm not annoyed by people who receive calls in public any more than I would be annoyed by someone conversing with a present human being.

    The days of people gabbing on the flip-phone as a status symbol are over. So quit feeling inferior.

    The same goes for driving. Talking to a passenger is no less distracting than talking on a cell phone. There are a lot of bad drivers in America. Yell at them. Flip them off. Honk your horn.

    But don't ban my cell phone.

  148. Yeah by pantycrickets · · Score: 1

    The most hated invention in America -although also one of the most used- is the cell phone

    I bet that's what people were saying about "the woman", when she first popped up in the Garden of Eden.

  149. Null survey by Fizzl · · Score: 1
    Well... Duh!
    among adults asked what invention they hate most but can't live without

    The questions is formed so that the outcome is pretty much evident.
  150. Cellphones, Schmellphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I refuse to carry a cell phone. Thankfully, I have that option.

    Cocksuckers. Show me someone with a cell phone plastered to their ear; I'll show you a cocksucker. Have you seen the people who have cell phones these days? Janitors. Maids. Etc.

    But yet, the cocksuckers go around looking like jackasses, making like they are Gordon Gekko because they have a cell phone. News flash, pinheads... the cell phone USED to be a status symbol. Now, the only status it shows is what an unthinking, mindless, conformist jackass you are.

  151. Europe on 24 hour time? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    I believe at least some of Europe generally uses 24 hour time (and damned intelligent too -- AFAI can tell, the only reason for 12 hour clocks are analog clocks). Perhaps a Euro-Slashdotter could clear me up on this.

    Anyway, if this is the case, a European alarm clock should be 24-hour.

    Of course, you might need a voltage adapter.

    As a suggestion -- you might consider setting up your computer as an alarm clock. I did so for a while. There are some caveats to consider. If you ever mute your system or plug in headphones, you may end up inadvertently muting your alarm as well. I avoided this by using a Linux box with two soundcards -- one hooked up to the speakers that woke me up. This also let me implement my *other* alarm-clock-most-wanted-feature -- the ability to disable an alarm before it goes off. Nothing pisses me off more than waking up five minutes before my alarm goes off and having the choice of either sitting and waiting for it to go off so that I can flick it off and on again to reset it for the next day, or simply turning it off and hoping that I remember to re-enable it before going to sleep the next day. Very annoying. Oh, and I also had the thing set up to not ring on weekends. God, I hate alarm clocks waking me up on weekends. Perl can make your sleep experience much, much better.

    Another feature that you might find useful is kicking the thing off after a minute. If I'm not up after a minute of beeping, I'm not getting up, and it's really annoying to have someone's alarm clock going off because they didn't clear it when away.

    1. Re:Europe on 24 hour time? by nchip · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have an alarm clock that has 24h display.

      But usually I use my mobile phone's (Siemens S55) alarm clock feature. Using phones alarm is very common as it is with you anywhere you go to sleep. In the phone's settings you can choose between the legacy AM/PM and 24H display/alarm setup. I can use any MIDI file on it for alarm clock sound.

      So I've combined the two americas most hated inventions and I love it :P

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      signatures pending - ansa@kos.to - (dont mail there)
    2. Re:Europe on 24 hour time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I believe at least some of Europe generally uses 24 hour time (and damned intelligent too -- AFAI can tell, the only reason for 12 hour clocks are analog clocks). Perhaps a Euro-Slashdotter could clear me up on this.
      Yes, at least in the Netherlands, about every digital clock uses 24 hour notation. Also timetables for trains, tvguides, etc, basically anything in print. The funny thing is, most people read it aloud in 12 hour notation: when asked what time the train leaves they read 18:30 aloud as half past six.
    3. Re:Europe on 24 hour time? by Animedude · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course nearly all alarm clocks (and all other digital clocks, e.g. on my windows desktop) around here - Germany, France, Austria, ... - are 24h, since everybody is "thinking" in the 24h time system all of the time. A digital clock with the "AM/PM" system would be a total non-seller, since many people simply would not understand it: "why does the clock show '08:00' when it's 20:00?"

  152. Except... by Kobal · · Score: 1, Funny

    Disrupting religious events is always a good thing. So the girl wasn't really to blame. Had it been at the theatre or the opera...

  153. yikes. by sheister · · Score: 1

    that was the worst news story i have ever read.

  154. Grow Up! by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cellphones are a matter of maturity. Here's why:

    Here in Germany, I am an avid hater of cellphones. You can't drive on a train or bus without someones damn phone ringing, and every second business meeting is interrupted by calls.

    But then I travelled to Tokio last year. Everyone there has a cell phone. Nevertheless, during my entire week I heard two rings, and both were from foreigners' phones.
    I also had to look very closely before I noticed people actually using them.

    The difference is that the japanese extend basic courtesy towards other people. You keep your cellphone on silent, and you leave the room before you take a call. That and maybe 2-3 other basic rules make cellphones a non-problem.

    --
    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  155. More or less stress? Different stress maybe by jlehtira · · Score: 1

    Hum hum. I've had and actively used a cellphone for half a decade now, and it's taken away much stress. Sure, I very seldom have my boss call me, and I try not to mind hearing a tune during a lecture. Sometimes a lecturer makes a joke about "killing the bird", which wakes me up nicely during morning lectures ;).

    Then again, I've noticed my phone has taken away much stress from meeting people. I never have to be too specific about meeting people anymore ("Lets meet about five o'clock in city centre" - "Where are you?" - "In the library" - "OK I'll be there"). Also telling people that I'll be late (and receiving such info), getting invitations etc through SMS.. I just love the thing. I do what I want more because I don't have to plan it beforehand, or be at home to wait for a call.

    And, wherever I go, I can always chat with my girlfriend till the sunrise, not disturbing others because I can go outside/basement/wherever to talk :).

    Ah, yes. I also use my cell phone as an alarm clock =), and it has a VERY good interface ;)

  156. Nic-o-Lock by anubi · · Score: 1
    My most hated invention, by far, has been the Nic-o-lok.

    I offer them this for a company jingle...

    It's a penny for a fart,

    Nickel for a piss...

    Dime - If you gotta use the toilet.

    --
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

    1. Re:Nic-o-Lock by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      My mother taught me this one. . .

      Here I sit,
      all broken-hearted;

      I paid a dime,
      and only farted.

      Thank you.


      -FL

  157. Turning dirt black. . ? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Wow. I've never heard that before. What does it mean? Like tilling soil? (Moist earth being darker than dry.)

    Just curious.

    Oh, and without the evil computer, there wouldn't be cell phones!

    As well as using lyrical turns of phrase, I think you're also on to something.


    -FL

    1. Re:Turning dirt black. . ? by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Heh. Summer-fallowing, in verb form, is the act of turning dirt black. When a field is laid to fallow for a year to let it rest from growing crops all the time, you plow it up frequently, essentially to keep things aired out. The moister soil underneath the surface is darker, so freshly-tilled soil is indeed darker. Very astute of you.

      And without computers, I would never have had to explain that to you, because I'd be tilling soil so you could eat wheat products and you'd be...well, what did people do before computers other than farm? ;-D

  158. bit one sided by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1

    wouldn't it be more logical to allow people to rate things on a scale, -10 ... 10 say, because of the listed things in the article, my detestation would be -10 for all except the alarm clock, I'd go -3 say I like it but a lot less than the others.

    --
    in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that :-D
    Francis Smit
  159. Funny. . . I don't see how people are able. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    to discern good and bad anymore, what with their brains looking like this. . .

    Brain slice examples.

    People hate cell phones because they're like electronic dog collars, because of talking and driving, and because of people gabbing to machines on the subway. The part I hate about them, however, is that people gabbing on the subway, or WIFI in coffee shops and public places, means that people who are smart enough not to be using a cell phone are still getting exposed to harmful radiation. The deletrious effects happen within a two meter radius of a given device.

    Of course, there are still a few pockets of people who stubbornly cling to the public relations spew of the telecom giants. --Apparently, (I am told), because big corporations would never lie to us, and highschool science texts were written to inform us rather than program people for endentured slavery.

    People deserve what they get. Knowledge protects.


    -FL

  160. minor adjustment by flamingmoose · · Score: 1

    We don't hate cell phones, we hate other people's cell phones.

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    .sigs - is there anything they can't do?
  161. Re:KERRY IS SO GOING TO KICK DEANS ASS! by Vindicator9000 · · Score: 1

    The sausage king of Chicago!!

  162. "Custom" Ringtones by citizenc · · Score: 1

    My biggest pet peeve with cell phones is "custom" ringtones. You know what I mean -- "Sign up for service with $COMPANY and you will receive a new phone with colour display and 300 custom ringtomes!".

    That would be all fine and dandy if there were only 300 phones in existence. But there aren't. Every single little high school teeny bopper has one. And they all pick the same ringtone. And it sounds like ass. *Twitch*

  163. Hatred? by zanderredux · · Score: 1
    I agree that it is not the irritation at hearing people speak on cell phones at restaurants. I also believe that it is not the feeling of being tied to those damn little things, nor the feeling of being in a leash that causes so much hatred towards the cell f**** phone.

    Probably, IMHO, it is the general belief that once you have a cell phone you'll be always available to answer it and if you don't (or leave it off) that you're being selectively rude with the caller.

  164. When did you land ? by GreenEggsAndHam · · Score: 1

    "... when Apple designed the iPod, there was no internal speaker to annoy others with personal choices in music ..."

    Ever heard of Sony ? The Walkman ? That was only 20 years before Apple's iPod.

  165. What does it matter by xintegerx · · Score: 1

    whether it can used or misused? People are just referring to the fact that they hate the cell phone, contact me when I'm anywhere, world, but they understand that they need to have one because all of their friends do, and can setup last minute things involving 10 different people at once. Normally, half of the people could be away and eating dinner, but you can bang contact them on the cell phone and get a YES/No to some event going on two hours later. People hate it and love it. What is hard to understand?

    1. Re:What does it matter by Moofie · · Score: 1

      What seems to be hard for YOU to understand is that some people still believe that words mean stuff.

      When you use an emotionally charged word like "hate", you shouldn't be surprised when other people think you are emotional about the object of discussion.

      I don't understand why people are emotional about their cell phones. And, pursuing this discussion, it seems like people don't hate their OWN cell phones, they hate the other people in the area who have the AUDACITY to use their own cell phones in the august presence of oneself.

      I think that's arrogant and rude. And, for the record, I don't own a cell phone.

      I'm curious as to what motivated your ad hominem attack in your other post. Did I kick your dog?

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    2. Re:What does it matter by Rick+BigNail · · Score: 1

      Just relax. I don't see any personal attack in your parent's post.

      I consider your tone ruder than your parent poster.

    3. Re:What does it matter by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was in the parent post, I said it was in another of his replies in this thread.

      "Clearly, understanding social skills is above your head. (no, don't look up, "above your head" is another figurative speech term in society.)"

      You're entitled to your opinion, but I didn't say anything rude at all.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  166. they don't hate tools you moron by xintegerx · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    When people say "hate" they don't mean they detest something, they just imply that "omg look what our world turned into" but they can see the important uses of it. Clearly, understanding social skills is above your head. (no, don't look up, "above your head" is another figurative speech term in society.)

  167. easiest, but not best by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 0

    The easiest solution, methinks, would have been not dragging her to church if she didn't want to go. Trying to force church on the actively disliking is a waste of time and effort.

    Easiest solution, maybe, but not the best.

    Children are born "actively disliking" anything but eating, sleeping, eliminating, and being entertained. They need to be "forced" to do things, to gain an appreciation of anything else.

    Those who aren't ever "forced" to do things are eventually "forced" anyway, into the back of a cruiser, into a cell, etc.

    1. Re:easiest, but not best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, that is the funniest damn thing I have ever heard. I am from a family of 15 kids, the fastest way to get a kid into the back of a police cruiser is to keep forcing them to live "your" life.

    2. Re:easiest, but not best by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What a moron. You sound like all the other religious nuts that think everyone needs to be forcibly converted to their silly religion.

      What the hell does worshipping spirits and imaginary beings have to do with becoming a criminal anyway? I think anyone who tries to force people to believe in superstition should be held as a criminal.

  168. That's surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought the most hated invention was Linux

  169. Re:Funny. . . I don't see how people are able. . . by waltmarkers · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm looking at the aricle, and something seemed a bit off to me. The picture. For one, the bottom slide is far more anterior then the top. For one, look at the shape of piriform and the optic bundle (it's what is optic nerve closer to the eyes.)

    Beyond that, just look at the shape of the hippocampus, these slides are at least 2 mm seperated, if not more. I don't have a rat brain atlas in front of me. But the point I'm trying to make is it's not a direct comparison, and there are more blood ventricals in the second slide.

    Second, this looks like a map2 stain, and if that is the case, dark brown signifies apoptosis, or quick sudden death of a neuron. But dark brown also comes from over freezing of the tissue, which is often cut at -40 C or below and can crack if flash frozen.

    Furthermore, I'm skeptical that this sort of microwave radiation does much of anything to brain tissue over that sort of exposure periods, even at high doses. For some brain analysis, to freeze necrosis at the time of death and prevent breakdown of some neurotransmitters, rats are given a high dose of microwave radion to cook thier brain inside the head, which also makes it easier to disect, and I've never seen this sort of blood leakage.....but that's just me. I'd like to see the actual article though, because MAP2 staining here makes no sense....

  170. And then some dick modded parent as 'flamebait' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go Slashdot !!!!!!

  171. Sunrise Alarm Clock by ttsalo · · Score: 0

    I have something like this... A 400 watt high-pressure sodium light over my bed that lights 30 minutes before the alarm clock goes off. 50000 lumens of "simulated sunrise". It's a must during the winter on the 60th latitude. Only negative side is that it produces some UV. I have been thinking of putting on some sunscreen before going to sleep.

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  172. Insightful my fucking ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a) It's not an 'invention'

    b) You're a pathetic karma whore

    c) The mods are simpletons

  173. If there is a God then.... by cjjjer · · Score: 1

    Man would have to be the worst invention out there. Nothing good has come from man. Ask yourself this would this planet be better off with or without man?

    1. Re:If there is a God then.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good then why don't you start by removing yourself?

  174. Kids are worse that cell phones by boy_afraid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep, you heard me. I'm a childless couple that REFUSES to comply with societal standards by NOT BREEDING. I don't want a crying, sniviling, little devil sucking the life out of me. They are FAR worse than cell phones in restaurants or elsewhere.

    Remember that episode of The Simpsons a few weeks ago when the childless in Springfield rise up and take back the town from kids?! That was GREAT!!

  175. only 10 adult bits? by tommck · · Score: 1

    The random telephone survey of 1,023 adults and 500 teenagers ...

    They wanted to interview adults only, but they were only using 10 bits to store ID numbers, so they had to move on to teenagers...

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  176. Tips for Cell Phone Users by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Be sure to talk loudly in restaurants. Laugh raucously. People will be impressed by how much you enjoy your cell phone.

    2. In addition to the above, be sure your conversations include intimate, private details about your life. People love hearing about your lanced boil while standing in line to order their food.

    3. Even though you talk loudly about the most confidential aspects of your life, be sure to complain often about invasion of privacy.

    4. Find the most annoying ring tone available for your phone, then crank it up! Your ring tone says a lot about you, and everyone is keenly interested in your personal tastes. Best places to crank up your ring tone: Waiting rooms, church, funerals.

    5. Don't turn your phone off when entering the movie theater or your child's music recital. You're an important person, and cannot be out of touch for any period of time. After all, they can catch that movie later on DVD, and it's not like they haven't heard their kid play that stupid song a million times.

    6. When possible, always talk while driving. Multitask if possible: If you're female put on your makeup and chat on the cellphone. If you're male, cradle your teensy cellphone in the crook of your neck while making notes. Don't worry about concentrating on your driving. Signaling for lane changes and looking out for pedestrians are over-rated activities anyway.

    7. Always choose a plan with "walkie-talkie" mode, if available. Nothing impresses the boss and your coworkers more than to have your wife loudly blurt "What are you doing?" in the middle of a business meeting.

    8. Lastly, be sure to get a phone with a built-in digital camera. People love having their pictures taken and plastered all over the internet.

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  177. Car alarms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm surprised more people haven't voted in car alarms as most hated technology. Hardly a night passes in San Jose when I'm not serenaded by the warbling songs of at least four car alarms. I think some of the stupid neighbor kids turned them on just to be funny.

  178. Re:Funny. . . I don't see how people are able. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can protect yourself from the dangerous radiation by wearing a tin-foil hat.

  179. Two slices from different parts of the brain. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    The slices do indeed seem to be from different sections of brain. My bet is that Popular Science editors had access to many images, but in a bid for added sensationalism decided to pick out slides which would create an emotional impact through the simple physical size and relative robustness of the two samples, rather than focus on the actual issue of protein leakage.

    Quite typical, and certainly not terribly useful in that it throws a doubtful light upon the whole study, at least as represented in this 'journal'.

    As for leakage across the blood-brain barrier. . . You seem to know what you're talking about. How long does it normally take? I have read numerous studies which strongly suggest that the effect is quite immediate, by way of a mechanism called, 'cyclotronic resonance'.


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  180. The real problem by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most of our problems with technology aren't in the technology itself, but that society has failed to evolve with it.

    I don't have a cell phone, and refuse to get one for several reasons, all related to social norms. First, I enjoy moments of solitude in the day. I don't want to be reachable 24/7. I might consider a cellphone for emergencies but too many people can't seem to understand a reasonable definition of emergency.

    I could get one and only turn it on when I have an emergency, but it seems that people actually EXPECT to be able to call you when you're on the can and get angry if you turn the phone off. If I don't have one at all, they think I'm odd, but they don't get angry.

    People who call a cellphone forget that you're not sitting in a dark corner just waiting for the phone to ring. It's impossible to talk to someone face to face if their phone is ringing every other word. I make it a practice to avoid talking to people who can't ignore their phone for 5 minutes.

    This will remain a problem until society's expectations mature enough to be able to hear 'I don't want to have a phone conversation right now' and not get all hacked off about it (as if they've never claimed 'breaking up' to get out of a cell call themselves).

    I might re-consider if there was a phone that would play my voice too chopped up to understand for 10 seconds then hang up on command.

    In a similar way, the alarm clock, once a handy way to avoid sleeping the whole day away now acts as a chronic (pun intended) sleep deprivation device. It is mis-used by the sleeper who refuses to realize that they would wake up fine if they went to bed at a decent hour, and by the rest of society which now feels that being tired is no excuse for being 30 minutes late.

    I don't hold out too much hope for society catching up with technology. We still haven't caught up with ubiquitous accurate wrist watches.

    Consider how much less stressed people were about appointments, meetings, and the start of the workday when nobody could really be called late unless it was by more than 15-30 minutes (based on the town clock chiming). While many people have adjusted, there are far too many anal people who start burning spots in the face of their watch if someone is 5 seconds late.

    It doesn't actually save any time, since it just forces people to be 15 minutes early and waste their time waiting rather than risking being a minute or two late.

    Of course, that is all reletive, and has been going on over 2000 years:

    "The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours! Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack my day so wretchedly into small pieces!" -- Plautus, 200 BCE

    1. Re:The real problem by misterarizona · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree with you, there. I don't want a cell phone for the simple reason that if anyone can reach me 24 hours a day, then I no longer have the control over who can reach me and when. I have owned one in the past, and those things make me feel as though I'm at everyone's mercy. No longer could I plan my day the way I saw fit, but I had to plan my day according to what someone else thought I ought to be doing. To me, it's a freedom and privacy issue. I feel for those who are enslaved to those things.

  181. Re:Quite accurate I'd say by symbolic · · Score: 1


    I was having lunch with a business associate, and he answered his damn phone no fewer than four times, interrupting the conversation, the train of thought, etc. Who was it calling each time? His wife.

    In terms of annoyance, this ranks right up there with another most hated invention (at least in my book)....CALL WAITING.

  182. Back it up with facts by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

    I am sorry, but you forgot to mention any facts. I am aware of nonconformities to the latest CSS standards.

    However, as a browser, it is one of the browsers that will render even partially received information (or broken HTML) correctly. Apart from efficiency issues (memory footprint when accessing complex documents in several windows and/or instances), which are not necessarily directly related to web developers (GUI designers and (D)HTML kiddies), there are very few Web-developer-unfriendly issues with IE.

    You haven't bothered to mention any, so enlighten us.

    1. Re:Back it up with facts by Patik · · Score: 1
      I am aware of nonconformities to the latest CSS standards.
      You've gotta be kidding me. You do know we're talking about IE here, right?

      Look at this chart. Just scroll down and skim the list. See all that purple in the first and second columns? Those are all things that IE doesn't do properly. Check out the third column from the right, Mozilla. Not much purple there at all.

      Or try here. Scroll down and look at all of the non-green in the first column (IE 6). Compare it to Gecko (Mozilla).

      Even better, try this one. Be sure to use the blue arrows at the bottom right to go through all of the pages. Compare IE6 to Netscape 7 (Mozilla).

      I'm going to have stop here because I just can't stop laughing. Try and code a webpage sometime, you'll see how bad IE is. I think a better question to ask is "What CSS standards does IE comply to?"

      However, as a browser, it is one of the browsers that will render even partially received information (or broken HTML) correctly.
      That's bad. IE is the reason web coding has drifted from the standards in recent years. You only have to make a half-assed page and it looks 'okay' in IE. Not good at all.

      Really, I hope you were joking...

    2. Re:Back it up with facts by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      Great, so you presented examples of what I mentioned earlier anyway, i.e. specific nonconformities IE has when it comes to CSS.

      While I might partially agree that benevolence only enables idiots who can't write proper HTML get their work across as 'looking okay' in IE. However, arguing that this benevolence is a bad thing is like saying that a college kid passes the course either by full score or fails.

      All your examples were CSS conformance and nothing else, while in great-grandparent, you claim that IE does not conform to latest standards.

      I am contesting your use of plural when saying "standards". I hope you were joking...

    3. Re:Back it up with facts by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Can you show me how to render "broken HTML" _correctly_ please sir?

      Sorry, but you kinda null and voided the validity of your entire comment there.

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    4. Re:Back it up with facts by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Are we really supposed to take someone with the username "fingerfucker" seriously?

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    5. Re:Back it up with facts by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      Poor little misguided Slashdotter...

  183. They hit it on the spot by DRACO- · · Score: 1

    I have had 2 cells.. the thing I hate most about them is the battery life. Thankfully my 2nd cell has a lithium battery and can be charged any time, though once a week I let it discharge till the cell alarms it is at low battery and charge it again.

    The cell I have unfortunately is put together quite badly. The mic, earphone and ringer peices are not soldered in, they are incased in the case plastic and hit the pcb with contacts except the ringer.

    The freaking ringer is not mounted on anything! The ringer randomly fails to work. I have the thing set on vibrate-ring so it vibrates twice then rings, but i set the ring to a alternating 3 full notes and full note rests (quite easy to ignore during a live conversation). The funky ringer speaker wouldnt bother me so much if the clock alarms would vibrate, but the dont, they only ring through the ringer speaker.

    The ultimate hated thing though would have to be batteries. I have had trouble out of batteries and chargers everywhere. My mother's SUV, my cell, the propane-forklift at work, flashlights, my PDA.

    My computer's UPS battery blew up once when the controlling curcuits shorted the battery. Fortunately I heard the battery venting and investigated, disconnected power and ran the unit outside to disassemble and yank the battery cables.

    Some idiot at work ran the electric forklift battery all the way down and popped the fuse on the internal charger requiring a service call, putting my most important indoor forklift out of commission for 2 days over a weekend before the holidays. The operators of our manlifts never put them back on charge when required.

    If someone could port over that new 15 min charging AA technology to heavy lift equipment (probably not viable) they would be creating gold in my eyes possibly fixing all my battery troubles at work.

    DRACO-

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