What's wrong with taking the camera back to the store for high quality prints? I don't own a printer capable of printing pictures at home. I don't want to buy a photo printer either.
How about owning your own kickass camera (optical zoom, very high res,etc) and just bringing the memory card in for processing. I've seen photo processing shops here in New Zealand that have DIY terminals where you stick your memory card in the slot (it has 3 or 4 slots for different types of cards, and a CD drive for your photo CD), then select your pics from a touch screen and it spits out some glossy prints, which look identical to normal photos.
Some even have a usb port so you don't even have to remove the card from the camera. I guess for people who don't want a glossy print for every photo they take, this works out cheaper than owning and running a commercial quality photo printer.
I know it's impossible to measure, but it would be interesting to see which platform is serving the most "useful work". If you look at the number of bytes served, for example, then Linux would come up high because of the likes of Google which is serving GBs or TBs daily, at a guess. Most FOSS advocates would claim that one linux server does the useful work of more than one windows box. I suspect this is true, but I'll refrain from making the claim in the absense of hard figures.
Second, as someone else pointed out in this thread, you do not expect a car to go on without maintenance. Come on, the computer is not a damn fridge.
That's right. And even a fridge needs to be defrosted and cleaned out now and then. If even a fridge needs this, why do so many computer owners not expect to maintain their computer?
Agree totally. I don't even run windows, but I don't trust mandrake enough to be secure, so I have an old P166 running IPCop as a firewall. And this is for dial-up!
Here's why I believe this: The computer is a tool, just like a car, a microwave, blahblahblah. The end user just wants it to work. Just like they turn the key on the car...
Owning a car is not just a matter of turning the key! There's a fuel tank to fill, tyres to check. You also need to know what those lights on the dashboard mean so you don't fuck your engine because you ignored the oil light.
Like a car owner, a computer owner needs to know a few little things that will cause major problems if ignored. Even the microwave owner needs to know that certain things (like tinfoil) shouldn't be put in there. All appliance have certain caveats and care that owners need to be aware of.
CUPS will improve or be replaced. The replacement could even use the usable bits of CUPS - FOSS is like that. In a linux "dominated" world, a consortium of printer manufacturers could produce the CUPS replacement - or anybody else with the skill. They could even consult ESR for a wishlist of usability features.
I still have a copy of Caldera OpenLinux Lite lying around on a CD somewhere. It was one of my first distros and very nice. I also used to use Caldera OpenDOS, aka DrDOS. Another good product. Caldera did have some nice products before they became litigious bastards.
Is Linux read for Joe User? NO! One day it will be.
Wrong question. People always ask "is linux ready for Joe User".
The question should be "is linux ready for Jane Admin?"
Joe User, in a corporate environment, shouldn't notice much difference between KDE or Windows. My wife finds OpenOffice Writer and MS Word very similar.
The user will use whatever the admins sets up for them. The admin's job is to make it painless for the user. This is possible with any desktop linux distro. Joe user wouldn't even notice the difference between a workstation running KDE locally and a thin client running KDE over a fast LAN.
In the end it comes down to whatever the admin finds easiest - ask two different admins and you'll get three different opinions:-)
Is it not true that industries have a right to protect their source of income.
Not at any cost. This is similar to the myth that comapanies have the right to profit - they don't. What they do have is the right to try to make a profit, using any legal means. If their chosen method fails, they do not have the right to receive corporate welfare. Anyway - this is drifting off topic.
Getting back on topic, industries do not have the right to brainwash my kids to turn them into good little consumers.
and if you dont have the administrative password, you cant retrieve it.
Boot from a *nix CD, edit/etc/passwd or/etc/shadow, and change it. Just like any other *nix.
I remember this being raised on a LUG mailing list I subscribe to. Someone wanted help with reseting root passwd on a SCO box. I think the "boot from *nix CD and edit/etc/passwd|shadow" solution wouldn't work for some reason - not sure why. I could be wrong.
Facist regimes pull this stunt on peaceful protesters. They plant antagonists among their ranks to make them look bad, or to give law enforcement an excuse to get brutal on them (after all, the "protesters started it!")
If anyone can use it, then it is, by definition, "ready for the desktop".
Of course, MY view of the "desktop" is the corporate desktop.
I hear you. It is also ready for the desktop in any household with one geek and any number of non-geeks. The household geek will be relieved not to have to help remove spyware and clean up after Microsoft worms and viruses.
khasim:It can be configured to automatically log her in.
Fareq:really? How?
It's one of the questions the Mandrake installer asks when it has finished installing: "Do you want to automatically log in as [Name of user you created in previous step] every time you start your computer?"
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Or how about "United States" which in dutch sounds like "Je naait het steeds"?
What's wrong with taking the camera back to the store for high quality prints? I don't own a printer capable of printing pictures at home. I don't want to buy a photo printer either.
How about owning your own kickass camera (optical zoom, very high res,etc) and just bringing the memory card in for processing.
I've seen photo processing shops here in New Zealand that have DIY terminals where you stick your memory card in the slot (it has 3 or 4 slots for different types of cards, and a CD drive for your photo CD), then select your pics from a touch screen and it spits out some glossy prints, which look identical to normal photos.
Some even have a usb port so you don't even have to remove the card from the camera. I guess for people who don't want a glossy print for every photo they take, this works out cheaper than owning and running a commercial quality photo printer.
Windows CE is the embedded operating system in all the black helicopters.
I wondered what that *thud* was.
You just gotta develop the dutch thick skin to deal with dutch bluntness. Once you get used to it you'll see it as a virtue.
I know it's impossible to measure, but it would be interesting to see which platform is serving the most "useful work".
If you look at the number of bytes served, for example, then Linux would come up high because of the likes of Google which is serving GBs or TBs daily, at a guess.
Most FOSS advocates would claim that one linux server does the useful work of more than one windows box. I suspect this is true, but I'll refrain from making the claim in the absense of hard figures.
Second, as someone else pointed out in this thread, you do not expect a car to go on without maintenance. Come on, the computer is not a damn fridge.
That's right. And even a fridge needs to be defrosted and cleaned out now and then. If even a fridge needs this, why do so many computer owners not expect to maintain their computer?
Agree totally. I don't even run windows, but I don't trust mandrake enough to be secure, so I have an old P166 running IPCop as a firewall. And this is for dial-up!
The fallacy that the most common/popular platform gets targeted is just that - a fallacy.
If it wasn't, then apache would get more attacks than IIS.
Here's why I believe this: The computer is a tool, just like a car, a microwave, blahblahblah. The end user just wants it to work. Just like they turn the key on the car...
Owning a car is not just a matter of turning the key! There's a fuel tank to fill, tyres to check. You also need to know what those lights on the dashboard mean so you don't fuck your engine because you ignored the oil light.
Like a car owner, a computer owner needs to know a few little things that will cause major problems if ignored. Even the microwave owner needs to know that certain things (like tinfoil) shouldn't be put in there. All appliance have certain caveats and care that owners need to be aware of.
Try the new tachyon drive case mod.
CUPS will improve or be replaced. The replacement could even use the usable bits of CUPS - FOSS is like that. In a linux "dominated" world, a consortium of printer manufacturers could produce the CUPS replacement - or anybody else with the skill. They could even consult ESR for a wishlist of usability features.
We need a new mod: -1 ASTROTURFING
I still have a copy of Caldera OpenLinux Lite lying around on a CD somewhere. It was one of my first distros and very nice.
I also used to use Caldera OpenDOS, aka DrDOS. Another good product. Caldera did have some nice products before they became litigious bastards.
Is Linux read for Joe User? NO! One day it will be.
:-)
Wrong question. People always ask "is linux ready for Joe User".
The question should be "is linux ready for Jane Admin?"
Joe User, in a corporate environment, shouldn't notice much difference between KDE or Windows. My wife finds OpenOffice Writer and MS Word very similar.
The user will use whatever the admins sets up for them. The admin's job is to make it painless for the user. This is possible with any desktop linux distro. Joe user wouldn't even notice the difference between a workstation running KDE locally and a thin client running KDE over a fast LAN.
In the end it comes down to whatever the admin finds easiest - ask two different admins and you'll get three different opinions
Is it not true that industries have a right to protect their source of income.
Not at any cost. This is similar to the myth that comapanies have the right to profit - they don't. What they do have is the right to try to make a profit, using any legal means. If their chosen method fails, they do not have the right to receive corporate welfare. Anyway - this is drifting off topic.
Getting back on topic, industries do not have the right to brainwash my kids to turn them into good little consumers.
Indoctrination by corporate interests, politically correct lobby groups and idealogues is the main reason I favour home schooling.
If anyone is going to indoctrinate my kids it should be me. Not the state. Not the corporations. Not the feminists/libertarians/mormons/whatever.
The school system exist solely for the purpose of creating "good" citizens/consumers/etc.
and if you dont have the administrative password, you cant retrieve it.
/etc/passwd or /etc/shadow, and change it. Just like any other *nix.
/etc/passwd|shadow" solution wouldn't work for some reason - not sure why. I could be wrong.
Boot from a *nix CD, edit
I remember this being raised on a LUG mailing list I subscribe to. Someone wanted help with reseting root passwd on a SCO box. I think the "boot from *nix CD and edit
Ahh, I remember fondly playing tetris while installing Caldera OpenLinux Lite that came on a CD with a linux book I bought late '90s. *sigh*
Caldera, what happened to you? How did you become what you became?
Usenet - same reason as email - multi-level nesting.
Facist regimes pull this stunt on peaceful protesters. They plant antagonists among their ranks to make them look bad, or to give law enforcement an excuse to get brutal on them (after all, the "protesters started it!")
If anyone can use it, then it is, by definition, "ready for the desktop".
Of course, MY view of the "desktop" is the corporate desktop.
I hear you. It is also ready for the desktop in any household with one geek and any number of non-geeks. The household geek will be relieved not to have to help remove spyware and clean up after Microsoft worms and viruses.
khasim: It can be configured to automatically log her in.
Fareq: really? How?
It's one of the questions the Mandrake installer asks when it has finished installing: "Do you want to automatically log in as [Name of user you created in previous step] every time you start your computer?"
Other modern distros have a similar option.
GUI - All you can do is "I'll have one of those please" where "one of those" is any item on display.
CLI - You can ask "Do you have any XYZ?", regardless of whether XYZ is on display.
For the GUI, the has to be an icon, widget or menu item somewhere for each task you want to do.
As soon as a GUI adds text fields where you can type a query, it is starting to borrow elements from the CLI.
The main difference is full internationalisation support
Now you can right trüly evïl shell scripts.