Nope. VisiOn was announced earlier but took forever to actually ship and ended up shippping later that even Windows.
It was VisiOn that triggered Mark Ursino to coin the phrase Vaporware.
Nope. That would be a graphical app and not a Graphical User Interface which refers to the interface for the computer itself. There are lots of examples of graphical apps prior to the Macintosh.
The Alto was not the first Xerox GUI. What do you think the 72 in Smalltalk-72 was for?
As for the GUI, NO it doesn't require a "Desktop Metaphor" although Xerox DID have that in 1972. It doesn't require Overlapping Windows. It requires graphical representation of objects.
Sorry to burst your rant but this is clueless and self-important and totally wrong. It's amazing how people try to rewrite history to match what they wish would have happened.
Alan Kay who invented Smalltalk-72 and a good deal of what we now call Object Oriented is currently doing a version of Smalltalk called Squeak. Or, as the website puts it, "Squeak is an open, highly-portable Smalltalk-80 implementation whose virtual machine is written entirely in Smalltalk, making it easy to debug, analyze, and change."
Nonsense. The GUI was prior art for years before Wozniak and his marketing friend (Steve something) started Apple. What Microsoft brought to the table was the first "GUI for the Masses" that didn't require proprietary hardware (like the Alto, the Lisa and Macintosh).
Nice try but Windows UI preceded the JOINTLY DEVELOPED IBM/Microsoft Presentation Manager UI (first shown in OS/2 1.1) which was a merger of Microsoft's Windows UI and IBM's Common User Access (CUA). CUA sought to make everything from PC GUIs to 3278 green-screen terminals look the same and just ended up with a least-common-denominator unusable UI.
What a load of bull. You've completely bought into Bush's "whatever bad happens, it isn't my fault but anything good is totally to my credit" crap. If you even had a clue about economics or political science you'd know that the economy is statistically correlated to the party in the White House.
When there's a Democrat in, the economy improves, deficits drop and spending either decreases or slows in growth.
When a Republican's in the White House the economy tanks, jobs growth drops or goes negative, deficits soar, spending wildly increases.
Don't believe it? Go look up the data yourself and stop believing the lies that Bush and his group of thieves have fed you.
IBM did exactly the same thing (ship a known defective part and plan to fix it with marketing) with the hard drive shipped with the then state-of-the-art IBM PC/AT Model 339 back in the mid 1980s. Back then, however, the tech magazines actually cared about users and PC Magazine had it as their cover story and as a result, IBM ended up replacing a LOT of bad drives.
Guess the greed and bean-counter folks at Armonk forgot the lesson.
Sure. Try telling marketing, management, sales, cleaning crew, et al that they should work without monetary compensation for a for-profit company... I'm sure they'll agree with you. Really. (OK, they'll laugh in your face, but, what the hey, it'll be a learning experience for you.)
Nobody's telling anybody else to do their labor for free for a commercial enterprise either. The longer programmers are idiotic to think their work is valueless, the longer they'll be taken advantage of by people realizing that "Open Source" means they can screw the geeks.
Nonsense. If you really want it to be free, have them release it to the Public Domain. Why replace one restrictive license with another if you don't have to?
Yeah. After all, SUN is a charity that we should all donate our time and money to. Well, really only the techies since the marketing and management and executives will keep getting bonuses long after the programmers volunteer to be laid off. Sheesh.
Not really. What made MS-DOS and Windows successful was making it cheap and easy to develop for. Microsoft was offering the Windows 3.0 SDK for peanuts when IBM was charging $3,000 for a copy of the OS/2 1.x SDK. (Well, that and OS/2 1.x also seriously sucked when it came to hardware support. It was known as the environmentally friendly OS. You were guaranteed not to kill any trees since it was extremely unlikely you could get a printer driver to work)
Of course, if he shilling for SUN on hardware deals, it wouldn't be too surprising to find out that this whole letter was put together by SUN's PR department to get their name (and ESR's) in the papers.
Nonsense. ESR does more than that! He also takes credit for other people's work like having his name in Big Bold Type on the Hacker's Dictionary with the "edited by" part really, really small and the real credits stuck in an appendix.
Gee, what a wonderful idea. Fire all the techies so that the marketing and management staff can keep getting bonuses. Wow. Open Source at its finest logical conclusion.
I know I want to spend my tax dollars subsidizing Red Hat's executives and sales droids. (Or did you really think that the tax breaks don't get subsidised by the taxes the rest of us pay...)
Sheesh. Must be a Bush Republican to have that little understanding of finance.
And the publication of the PDF by The Progressive was actually months ago. The only thing that's just in time is/. actually noticing it. For that matter, The Progressive sold a t-shirt with the design on it back after the article was published. It had the updated design on it.
Slowly for those who can't acknoledge that BillG invented anything... FAT in SCO was derived from FAT in Disk BASIC well known to be BillG code to anybody who was around at the time. A derivative work can't claim to be the original work in a field. Hard for a slashdotter to understand but true.
They DID trumpet it. It was only the "Microsoft is evil incarnate" people who didn't read all the press releases and, instead, manufactured the QuickTime story. Now, it certainly wasn't altruistic. It kept MS from getting sued when Apple was down to using their patents as a source of income and it guaranteed a market for all those copies of MacOffice.
True but the computer users in the floppy disk era were several orders of magnitude more technically sophisticated than the typical MP3 Player or Digital Cam user. Also, the %age differential on a $50 card vs a $.50 floppy are significant motivators.
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Just a quick pedantic point.
Ashton-Tate's really excellent object-based all-in-one package was Framework and not FrameMaker (which is a totally different app)
Framework was also famous for it language, FRED. (FRamework EDitor)
Nope. VisiOn was announced earlier but took forever to actually ship and ended up shippping later that even Windows. It was VisiOn that triggered Mark Ursino to coin the phrase Vaporware.
Nope. That would be a graphical app and not a Graphical User Interface which refers to the interface for the computer itself. There are lots of examples of graphical apps prior to the Macintosh.
Well, that's a pretty clueless reply...
The Alto was not the first Xerox GUI. What do you think the 72 in Smalltalk-72 was for?
As for the GUI, NO it doesn't require a "Desktop Metaphor" although Xerox DID have that in 1972. It doesn't require Overlapping Windows. It requires graphical representation of objects.
Sorry to burst your rant but this is clueless and self-important and totally wrong. It's amazing how people try to rewrite history to match what they wish would have happened.
Alan Kay who invented Smalltalk-72 and a good deal of what we now call Object Oriented is currently doing a version of Smalltalk called Squeak. Or, as the website puts it, "Squeak is an open, highly-portable Smalltalk-80 implementation whose virtual machine is written entirely in Smalltalk, making it easy to debug, analyze, and change."
Great book. I've been lucky enough to know some of the people involved and this books is really accurate. (Well, by technology history book standards)
Nonsense. The GUI was prior art for years before Wozniak and his marketing friend (Steve something) started Apple. What Microsoft brought to the table was the first "GUI for the Masses" that didn't require proprietary hardware (like the Alto, the Lisa and Macintosh).
Nice try but Windows UI preceded the JOINTLY DEVELOPED IBM/Microsoft Presentation Manager UI (first shown in OS/2 1.1) which was a merger of Microsoft's Windows UI and IBM's Common User Access (CUA). CUA sought to make everything from PC GUIs to 3278 green-screen terminals look the same and just ended up with a least-common-denominator unusable UI.
What a load of bull. You've completely bought into Bush's "whatever bad happens, it isn't my fault but anything good is totally to my credit" crap. If you even had a clue about economics or political science you'd know that the economy is statistically correlated to the party in the White House.
When there's a Democrat in, the economy improves, deficits drop and spending either decreases or slows in growth.
When a Republican's in the White House the economy tanks, jobs growth drops or goes negative, deficits soar, spending wildly increases.
Don't believe it? Go look up the data yourself and stop believing the lies that Bush and his group of thieves have fed you.
IBM did exactly the same thing (ship a known defective part and plan to fix it with marketing) with the hard drive shipped with the then state-of-the-art IBM PC/AT Model 339 back in the mid 1980s. Back then, however, the tech magazines actually cared about users and PC Magazine had it as their cover story and as a result, IBM ended up replacing a LOT of bad drives.
Guess the greed and bean-counter folks at Armonk forgot the lesson.
Sure. Try telling marketing, management, sales, cleaning crew, et al that they should work without monetary compensation for a for-profit company... I'm sure they'll agree with you. Really. (OK, they'll laugh in your face, but, what the hey, it'll be a learning experience for you.)
Nobody's telling anybody else to do their labor for free for a commercial enterprise either. The longer programmers are idiotic to think their work is valueless, the longer they'll be taken advantage of by people realizing that "Open Source" means they can screw the geeks.
Nonsense. If you really want it to be free, have them release it to the Public Domain. Why replace one restrictive license with another if you don't have to?
Yeah. After all, SUN is a charity that we should all donate our time and money to. Well, really only the techies since the marketing and management and executives will keep getting bonuses long after the programmers volunteer to be laid off. Sheesh.
Not really. What made MS-DOS and Windows successful was making it cheap and easy to develop for. Microsoft was offering the Windows 3.0 SDK for peanuts when IBM was charging $3,000 for a copy of the OS/2 1.x SDK. (Well, that and OS/2 1.x also seriously sucked when it came to hardware support. It was known as the environmentally friendly OS. You were guaranteed not to kill any trees since it was extremely unlikely you could get a printer driver to work)
Of course, if he shilling for SUN on hardware deals, it wouldn't be too surprising to find out that this whole letter was put together by SUN's PR department to get their name (and ESR's) in the papers.
Nonsense. ESR does more than that! He also takes credit for other people's work like having his name in Big Bold Type on the Hacker's Dictionary with the "edited by" part really, really small and the real credits stuck in an appendix.
Gee, what a wonderful idea. Fire all the techies so that the marketing and management staff can keep getting bonuses. Wow. Open Source at its finest logical conclusion.
I know I want to spend my tax dollars subsidizing Red Hat's executives and sales droids. (Or did you really think that the tax breaks don't get subsidised by the taxes the rest of us pay...)
Sheesh. Must be a Bush Republican to have that little understanding of finance.
And the publication of the PDF by The Progressive was actually months ago. The only thing that's just in time is /. actually noticing it. For that matter, The Progressive sold a t-shirt with the design on it back after the article was published. It had the updated design on it.
My bad. I meant to say PC-DOS and CP/M.
Slowly for those who can't acknoledge that BillG invented anything... FAT in SCO was derived from FAT in Disk BASIC well known to be BillG code to anybody who was around at the time. A derivative work can't claim to be the original work in a field. Hard for a slashdotter to understand but true.
They DID trumpet it. It was only the "Microsoft is evil incarnate" people who didn't read all the press releases and, instead, manufactured the QuickTime story. Now, it certainly wasn't altruistic. It kept MS from getting sued when Apple was down to using their patents as a source of income and it guaranteed a market for all those copies of MacOffice.
True but the computer users in the floppy disk era were several orders of magnitude more technically sophisticated than the typical MP3 Player or Digital Cam user. Also, the %age differential on a $50 card vs a $.50 floppy are significant motivators.