See ? You're already finding something. I would just love the ability to use my keyboard from another room. That's one application.
Remotes in the more generic sense of the word could benefit from that. Every time my son is in from of my DVD player, I can't control it anymore. Of course, that's exactly when I need to press "Pause" because he is about to raise my 4*250W stereo volume knob to it's maximum. IR sucks.
Streaming the display data of a PC playing music (track, time, etc...) is probably another possible application.
This way I can really avoid a stupid, ugly and noisy PC case in my living room. Just pull one cable (Audio/Video) and the rest is remote. The PC will rot and take dust in my garage while I enjoy every kind of I/O in my living room.
Am I the only one thinking about how the <strong> tag died because it was just not rendered the same way from a NS to an IE browser?
The way people design their forms today is a graphic control down to the pixel. That will obviously not accomodate an embedded device and a 1280x1024 desktop. So people will just "sniff" the browser... and the whole point of "separation of content and markup" will die just right there.
Anyways, it's good to see people trying to make things move.
The problem with Linux is that everyone is calling everything Linux.
If anything, Linux is not a product. RedHat X.Y is a product, based on linux.
This improper terminology is hurting the acceptance of Linux pretty bad. The first thing is that when a newbie wants to start out on Linux, he has to ask a friend, he just can't go to the store and buy Linux... If he does, there's always the risk of him going to a nerd shop and buying a Slackware.
Then good luck to you dude, you'll have a hard time installing and configuring!!!!
Windows has a properly defined terminology and marketting.
IMO this is a critical thing to improve. Please, people, stop saying "Linux is easy to install and configure", but say instead "[Gentoo|RedHat|Whatever distro] is easy to configure and install"
AOL and Compuserv also started as competitors to the Internet.
I don't know about AOL, but Compuserve was there way before the web (read: way before the average user could get a hold of the WWW.). In many mind it is a precursor (read: did address the masses before the internet)
AOL is far more successful than the other two at winning at that contest.
Well, AOL embraced the internet, it is no longer a competitor.
I would rate MSN a distant third to the two above at 'embrace and extend' as far as the Internet is concerned.
Does someone atually use it?
Seriously, MSN was very late in the game. They just pay the price today of their strategic error (not believing in the networks and the internet)
Well, I guess it is supposed to be an answer to the post subject : "How is this a win?". That doesn't make the statement any better (grammatically and structurally speaking), but at least it is a little more understandable.
I guess the right thing to do is to ignore those. Slashdot is for nerds, right? And CS nerds seems to be illiterate. I think we just have to deal with it.
When you buy a PC, you buy a Mobo, Memory, HDD, Screen, case, Windows and all.
That's a commercial choice whether or not they decide to make some of these items optional or not, nothing else.
If enough people decide to get this refund, they'll eventually offer Windows as an option. Though Windows will be more expensice than $10 after this shift...
Oh well, that'll just tell these people not to buy it...
I hope you can have two of them (keys) and then store one at the bank or something...
Besides, that's what backups are for... again to be stored at the bank! What's the point of having an encrypted HDD with 4 DAT tapes next to it unencrypted;-)
This is the most stupid story/article ever. When they'll have a couple of thousand people in jail or properly fined (red: ruined), others will stop using P2P.
By doing so, they will break the whole thing that makes P2P stand up: The more people, the more music shared.
They are just trying to scare people out of the P2P networks, not to sue them all!!!
Sorry, I wasn't very clear in my previous post. The bottom line is that even if we can state "Linux is as easy to install and configure as windows", we are lying to ourselves.
Just because we are not talking about Linux, but about a specific distro. Maybe RH and Gentoo are that good today, but all the distros don't have the same level of easiness.
When a end-user (read:dummy) hears that Linux is friendly, he cannot go to the store and buy linux, just because Linux is not for sale. RH or Gentoo or SuSe or any other distro, he can buy, but he cannot buy Linux. That is IMO a major flaw in the "Linux marketting" as of today: People are all talking about Linux when they are actually talking about a distro, based on Linux.
When you hear "Windows XP has this feature", you go to the store and buy it. It's much more straightforward.
I've been doing this since I got into Linux, actually, about three years ago
That's your problem: You assimilate your experience with other people experience.
Which distro are you using exactly? When you make the statement "it's as easy as doing it on Windows", which distro are you referring to?
That has always been Unix problem, and Linux is only partially solving it: Disparity. Which shell are you using? Which window Manager? There is a dozen distros out there. A lot of users are going to use the wrong one and will end up having to run xconfig manually and will get served twm as the default XWM.
I use slackware, and it's nothing more user friendly than the VAX system I was using in college. Of course, my choice is made consciously and I know why I am using slackware. I just imagine the average user with that...
What amazes me is how people take things for granted. Just submit it and the problem is solved. Then people comes angry at you because you didn't make it.
These things takes a lot of times. Where we are today with Linux just proves that the whole system is working. But don't try to rush anything or it'll suffer from being to young and immature.
With windows you don't need the "right tools". They're part of the system
With linux, you need them, and if they , at C|Net didn't have them, it probably means they are not that obvious to identify and/or find for the average end user.
You seem to have a near-miraculous capacity for answering half of the concerns of a rebuke at once while blindly ignoring the other half
That might be because we're not talking about the same thing, because I noticed the same in your post. You probably have shares in MM or something...;-)
and missing the bigger picture
Well, you've left out my points and answered in my side comments... hard to see the big picture in that.
As this is getting way too long, I'm going to cull most of the diatribe; if you feel I've left out important bits, go 'head and reintroduce them. Culling is a dangerous act (especially during debate, even moreso when making mirrored statements,) so I welcome suggestions that I've missed an issue.
Allright, what about:
My point here was that if you disable JavaScript, a lot of websites will stop working (hotmail,... I don't want to get to an exhaustive list here). If you don't install Flash, most of the websites (or at least a greater percentage) will work. It even has a good side effect: You avoid a lot of ad banners.
In my experience, webmasters doesn't just disable JavaScript for all websites. Usually the intranet zone have some lower securities settings, like JavaScript enabled. Remember I'm talking about an enterprise Application.
Though if anything, the SVG standard confirm to me that VML is the way to go. In a few years, no doubt we will have native support (Or at least good plugins) for every major browser. The transition from VML will be smooth as SVG is a kind of superset of VML (Not exactly, granted, but it will definitively be faster to do the VML to SVG move than from any other tech...)
Now you will almost instantly notice that there is two categories of statistics: Those showing IE5+ over 90%, and those showing it below. Interesting. You will also notice easily that all the statistics showing IE below 90% are issued from universities, research centers and tech websites. Hmm, not the typical crowd I see on my enterprise network.
(sarcasm dropped) The bigger issue here isn't supporting browsers from the depths of history. The issue is that the VML solution not only drops viewers needlessly, but does so on a closed corporate agenda plan which is being passed over by other browsers in favor of superior open standards; furthermore, that there are alternate, superior, lower cost of development/deployment commercial open platforms with greater market penetration. Each and every statement you make in VML's defense works better for both Flash *and* SVG, with the notable exception of complaints regarding SVG's immature penetration (which I agree are quite valid.)
You're missing my point again. We're selling an enterprise application. By saying "You need IE5" to have the full features, we're cutting down 5% of our customers. By saying Flash, we might very well be cutting more. Remember again that the decision is not made at the IT level but at a higher business level.
You're dodging the point. In both cases, the default is for the system to be installed
False. If I choose minimum install, I believe that Flash will not get installed. JavaScript will.
That said, good design also designs for utility rather than to market; you don't seem to realize that writing this in a manner exclusively useful to corporate settings will relegate it to being successful to corporate settings. Which may seem all well and good to you, until you ask yourself why you're making that restriction, given that it gains you nothing whatsoever.
So you're telling me that Siebel should not target the corporate setting? Who else could possibly use it?
If you have a valid answer, I'll be glad to reconsider our corporate target.
I eagerly await any notice of what's so cool about VML that you can't do in Flash, or SVG. Anything whatsoe
Ok, let's analyze the part of the comment I quoted in my previous post again:
charging for updates & bugfixes
See, there is two parts in this 5 word piece. The part that is on the left of the "&" is covered by the "third paragraph from the end" that you are citing.
I still don't see anything about the second part, you know, the word on the right hand side of the "&". Oh, let me re-read your post again, maybe I missed something. Hmmm, it is not mentionned. I'm wondering if you re-read my previous post before answering something totally unrelated.
Slashdot Mirror
Note to the grammar nazis out there: I misused "it's" for "its".
Preview sucks.
sufficient for cellular data, mice, and keyboard
See ? You're already finding something. I would just love the ability to use my keyboard from another room. That's one application.
Remotes in the more generic sense of the word could benefit from that. Every time my son is in from of my DVD player, I can't control it anymore. Of course, that's exactly when I need to press "Pause" because he is about to raise my 4*250W stereo volume knob to it's maximum. IR sucks.
Streaming the display data of a PC playing music (track, time, etc...) is probably another possible application.
This way I can really avoid a stupid, ugly and noisy PC case in my living room. Just pull one cable (Audio/Video) and the rest is remote. The PC will rot and take dust in my garage while I enjoy every kind of I/O in my living room.
Ain't that cool?
XForms' separation of content and markup
Am I the only one thinking about how the <strong> tag died because it was just not rendered the same way from a NS to an IE browser?
The way people design their forms today is a graphic control down to the pixel. That will obviously not accomodate an embedded device and a 1280x1024 desktop. So people will just "sniff" the browser... and the whole point of "separation of content and markup" will die just right there.
Anyways, it's good to see people trying to make things move.
It's all about the radio. If your song has a lower volume than another one, it'll just sound Lame when it'll start.
Of course all radios should/would/could normalize their playlists
Can someone enlighten me on why I've been modded redundant?
I hope meta-moderators are not on the same crack moderators are....
The problem with Linux is that everyone is calling everything Linux.
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If anything, Linux is not a product. RedHat X.Y is a product, based on linux.
This improper terminology is hurting the acceptance of Linux pretty bad. The first thing is that when a newbie wants to start out on Linux, he has to ask a friend, he just can't go to the store and buy Linux... If he does, there's always the risk of him going to a nerd shop and buying a Slackware.
Then good luck to you dude, you'll have a hard time installing and configuring!!!!
Windows has a properly defined terminology and marketting.
IMO this is a critical thing to improve. Please, people, stop saying "Linux is easy to install and configure", but say instead "[Gentoo|RedHat|Whatever distro] is easy to configure and install"
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AOL and Compuserv also started as competitors to the Internet.
I don't know about AOL, but Compuserve was there way before the web (read: way before the average user could get a hold of the WWW.). In many mind it is a precursor (read: did address the masses before the internet)
AOL is far more successful than the other two at winning at that contest.
Well, AOL embraced the internet, it is no longer a competitor.
I would rate MSN a distant third to the two above at 'embrace and extend' as far as the Internet is concerned.
Does someone atually use it?
Seriously, MSN was very late in the game. They just pay the price today of their strategic error (not believing in the networks and the internet)
Just a small post to thank you very much for your insight on the grammatical matter.
Just a small post to say that "so there is no time lost their" should in fact be "so there is no time lost there".
Have a nice day.
That's what it was all about dude.
That's what my wife tells me all the time. It must mean something. But what?
Well, I guess it is supposed to be an answer to the post subject : "How is this a win?". That doesn't make the statement any better (grammatically and structurally speaking), but at least it is a little more understandable.
I guess the right thing to do is to ignore those. Slashdot is for nerds, right? And CS nerds seems to be illiterate. I think we just have to deal with it.
When you buy a PC, you buy a Mobo, Memory, HDD, Screen, case, Windows and all.
That's a commercial choice whether or not they decide to make some of these items optional or not, nothing else.
If enough people decide to get this refund, they'll eventually offer Windows as an option. Though Windows will be more expensice than $10 after this shift...
Oh well, that'll just tell these people not to buy it...
I hope you can have two of them (keys) and then store one at the bank or something...
;-)
Besides, that's what backups are for... again to be stored at the bank! What's the point of having an encrypted HDD with 4 DAT tapes next to it unencrypted
The question is more: When my Mobo dies or has to be replaced, can I read my HDD on a new one?
Well, it's always about balance you know...
Don't you think people would drive faster if there was no cop around to give tickets.
Don't you think people would cheat more on their spouses if there was no chance of getting caught?
This is the most stupid story/article ever. When they'll have a couple of thousand people in jail or properly fined (red: ruined), others will stop using P2P.
By doing so, they will break the whole thing that makes P2P stand up: The more people, the more music shared.
They are just trying to scare people out of the P2P networks, not to sue them all!!!
Thanks. That wasn't actually a troll but a very serious and extremely bad formulated complaint about Linux... ;-)
Here is a better version
Sorry, I wasn't very clear in my previous post. The bottom line is that even if we can state "Linux is as easy to install and configure as windows", we are lying to ourselves.
Just because we are not talking about Linux, but about a specific distro. Maybe RH and Gentoo are that good today, but all the distros don't have the same level of easiness.
When a end-user (read:dummy) hears that Linux is friendly, he cannot go to the store and buy linux, just because Linux is not for sale. RH or Gentoo or SuSe or any other distro, he can buy, but he cannot buy Linux. That is IMO a major flaw in the "Linux marketting" as of today: People are all talking about Linux when they are actually talking about a distro, based on Linux.
When you hear "Windows XP has this feature", you go to the store and buy it. It's much more straightforward.
I've been doing this since I got into Linux, actually, about three years ago
That's your problem: You assimilate your experience with other people experience.
Which distro are you using exactly? When you make the statement "it's as easy as doing it on Windows", which distro are you referring to?
That has always been Unix problem, and Linux is only partially solving it: Disparity. Which shell are you using? Which window Manager? There is a dozen distros out there. A lot of users are going to use the wrong one and will end up having to run xconfig manually and will get served twm as the default XWM.
I use slackware, and it's nothing more user friendly than the VAX system I was using in college. Of course, my choice is made consciously and I know why I am using slackware. I just imagine the average user with that...
What amazes me is how people take things for granted. Just submit it and the problem is solved. Then people comes angry at you because you didn't make it.
These things takes a lot of times. Where we are today with Linux just proves that the whole system is working. But don't try to rush anything or it'll suffer from being to young and immature.
Another difference:
With windows you don't need the "right tools". They're part of the system
With linux, you need them, and if they , at C|Net didn't have them, it probably means they are not that obvious to identify and/or find for the average end user.
That might be because we're not talking about the same thing, because I noticed the same in your post. You probably have shares in MM or something...
and missing the bigger picture
Well, you've left out my points and answered in my side comments... hard to see the big picture in that.
As this is getting way too long, I'm going to cull most of the diatribe; if you feel I've left out important bits, go 'head and reintroduce them. Culling is a dangerous act (especially during debate, even moreso when making mirrored statements,) so I welcome suggestions that I've missed an issue.
Allright, what about:
(sarcasm dropped) The bigger issue here isn't supporting browsers from the depths of history. The issue is that the VML solution not only drops viewers needlessly, but does so on a closed corporate agenda plan which is being passed over by other browsers in favor of superior open standards; furthermore, that there are alternate, superior, lower cost of development/deployment commercial open platforms with greater market penetration. Each and every statement you make in VML's defense works better for both Flash *and* SVG, with the notable exception of complaints regarding SVG's immature penetration (which I agree are quite valid.)
You're missing my point again. We're selling an enterprise application. By saying "You need IE5" to have the full features, we're cutting down 5% of our customers. By saying Flash, we might very well be cutting more. Remember again that the decision is not made at the IT level but at a higher business level.
You're dodging the point. In both cases, the default is for the system to be installed
False. If I choose minimum install, I believe that Flash will not get installed. JavaScript will.
That said, good design also designs for utility rather than to market; you don't seem to realize that writing this in a manner exclusively useful to corporate settings will relegate it to being successful to corporate settings. Which may seem all well and good to you, until you ask yourself why you're making that restriction, given that it gains you nothing whatsoever.
So you're telling me that Siebel should not target the corporate setting? Who else could possibly use it?
If you have a valid answer, I'll be glad to reconsider our corporate target.
I eagerly await any notice of what's so cool about VML that you can't do in Flash, or SVG. Anything whatsoe
Ctrl-H is backspace. Try it in a unix console: Vtrl-H and Backspace does the exact same thing.
Ok, let's analyze the part of the comment I quoted in my previous post again:
charging for updates & bugfixes
See, there is two parts in this 5 word piece. The part that is on the left of the "&" is covered by the "third paragraph from the end" that you are citing.
I still don't see anything about the second part, you know, the word on the right hand side of the "&". Oh, let me re-read your post again, maybe I missed something. Hmmm, it is not mentionned. I'm wondering if you re-read my previous post before answering something totally unrelated.