Duly noted. But what about my script? I'm genuinely interested so that I can ditch dropbox and get everything from my home machine instead. So far, I've been out of luck on that one and apart from writing something in a multiplatform language such as Java, I don't see how to do it. Also, for the iPhone, apart from a native App, there's probably not much that can be done.
Please provide a fucking script that would be 10 lines long and do: - a 2 way sync btw the server and the client - compression - encryption of the transert (Good luck with FTP dumbass) - works on Linux, MacOS, iPhone, Android, Windows. You're allowed 10 lines per OS, I'm being generous today.
Or just shut up. Please. I'm glad I'm your foe, really. These things are so childish it really show how dumb you are.
My bad. Wifi+Internet are free all around the world since I can remember on buses, trains, cars, planes, bikes, etc.
My point really is moot and I'm stupid. It's just that I haven't been in Somalia for a while and I didn't know they upgraded their infrastructure so quickly.
The point is not whether you make enough profits for anyone to care. The point is that if you infringe doing such mundane things, you're pretty sure that anyone with a camera infringed at least once in his lifetime. Hence, you have the way paved for an authoritarian regime where anyone in power can bring you down at will, because of such stupid laws making sure that virtually anyone alive infringe on some stupid thing.
Ahhh, ok, I see your point finally. For you Dropbox and FTP are the same, except they are not as you just stated.
I could set up something syncing my FTP server with all my clients. Or I can use dropbox. But then, you're not comparing Dropbox vs FTP but you're comparing Dropbox vs FTP plus some of other thing you have failed to mention all along.
I guess I'm wrong stating Dropbox != FTP since obviously you just proved FTP + ? = Dropbox.
Fine. You are of course aware that both your examples contradict mine, but reinforce my point: There are places, such as trains or planes, where you're going to be offline.
Sure, for a hefty amount of money, you MAY be able to get Wifi on your plane and/or train. But that's not sure. Even with money.
My point still stands. I'm not inserting anything!
Dude, if I (properly) encrypt a file that I send you through email, there is no way for anyone to know what was in this file. Hence, the undetectable nature of internet communications.
People will know I encrypted something. They won't know what was in there. So they won't be able to detect piracy if pirates go 100% encrypted, because they're not the only one to encrypt.
You can forbid encryption, but it will kill the internet since your passwords and credit card numbers SHOULD be encrypted for the service to have any value. Hence, no encryption means anyone can snoop. And if anyone can snoop, there is no e-commerce, no security.
Encryption also means undetectable watermarking in images, sounds, movies. Hence, it allows for undetectable communications. If is comes to that, I'm sure pirates will go down that route, although it means a great waste in bandwidth.
I'm not one of the "RAWR, I SUE YOU FOR 100 TRILLION DOLLARS FOR DOWNLOADS" freaks but, you could make the same argument about almost any crime. My city sees at least one murder a day, many robberies, embezzlement... Doesn't mean we should take any of those laws off the books.
I can see a difference btw murder and copyright infringement. Especially a difference in how the internet affected both.Maybe it's me.
I don't think there's going to be any way to "stop" piracy that doesn't involve some serious Constitutional breaches but that's kind of the same song and dance law enforcement has had to deal with forever.
I can't see a way to stop copyright infringement. For me, it's not a problem of laws and constitutions, it's a problem of technology. Encrypted communications, when done properly, cannot be detected. Period. No way to detect what's in the flow of "random" bits. How do you enforce anything if you can't detect anything?
Besides, there are kinds of information that people should get paid for. Some stuff requires a lot of convoluted research, time and, occasionally, danger. Why should people be expected to donate that kind of effort to a thankless ether? I don't see anything wrong with paying a reasonable price for something that took time, effort and talent.
Today I could download all of my music for free. Yet, I buy through Amazon MP3 Downloads. Why? It's more convenient, and I feel like I owe the musicians something. I know plenty of people doing the same. There is absolutely ZERO evidence that a thankless ether exists. And I don't feel it's wrong to pay for something. I actually don't think piracy is right, I feel is inevitable. This argument of yours is one of the worst aspect of copyright enforcers. Nothing points to the fact that remuneration of artists will vanish in a split second, and people against copyright (at least the current implementation of them) such as me don't believe it's wrong to pay for something. These are misconceptions at best.
Having said that, some of those copyright lobbyist groups really needs to get smacked down before they turn this into a freaking fascist country. It's amazing that the same group that waxes about mercy for murderers and acceptance for people who are different will also push for a totalitarian government. It's so evil until you're the one with the power.
Exactly. The fight PRO piracy à la SOPA/PIPA will just destroy the current regimes. And they won't stop piracy. So it really is pointless.
The fact that you have no clue how dropbox works wasn't that clear on your original post, apologies.
ALL files on my dropbox account are present on ALL computers synchronized on that dropbox. Hence, Offline, I can work with all my files. I don't need to think about the files I'll need.
When I'm back online, my modified files go and update themselves on my dropbox account, and they get pushed into all my computers.
You should stop 5 minutes to see how it works. It is actually pretty handy.
All your "This means" are true today. Just look around. Only the very highest profiles violations are processed by the justice.
The only difference is that, today, there is a violation. 99% of them go unpunished and unnoticed. Isn't it time to make the facts and the law adjust a little better?
Copyright is a thing of the past. Information is freely shared by everyone. There is nothing that set a movie or a song apart in this regard.
As far as piracy is concerned, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, short of shutting the internet down. If people have access to the internet, they will be able to communicate with everyone else that is on the internet. That's the definition of the internet.
People will also go undetected. That's the definition of encryption. You just set the key size to whatever suit your needs, and nobody will ever be able to decrypt it - unless they have the key.
Make encryption illegal and you kill e-commerce right there. Still make encryption illegal? Encryption can hide itself very easily: watermarking, hidden volumes, etc.
Nah. As long as people will be able to communicate, they will be able to pirate. Internet empowers everyone with almost unlimited (as far as songs and movies are concerned) communication. That comes with unlimited piracy. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's what the internet comes with.
Hmmm. I see. Can you tell me the relevance of the port 80 in here? On a typical plane, there is no internet at all. On a typical train, there is no internet at all. Boats may be an exception.
The point being that sometimes you're offline - yes, it still happens - and you need your docs. If they sit on an FTP server, you're just out of luck.
Port 80 has nothing to do with it.
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But so far, Google is in the game for profits, not for some noble quest against telcos. At least, all pointers seem to indicate that. So having Google crush competition will more likely result in nothing good for the customers - both in the smartphone and the telco arena at least.
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We already saw that with the iPhone. But that was Apple. Now, as far as telcos are concerned, I don't think Google has had anything to make them bend over and squeak.
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So, what makes you think that Google having crushed competition will bring a better overall landscape of smartphones? What could we possibly gain from such a thing?
He will not make any big change. He said so. He's actually part of the problem, being COO for many years. The company will keep digging its own hole. RIM investors should leave the boat now, even though you shouldn't sell when it goes down. But this one will never go up again. Maybe unless they sell.
Can you access your FTP server in a plane? On a boat? On a train?
No. And that's why Dropbox is so successful. The mere fact that you don't understand it means you've never had the need. Which makes YOU the less legitimate person to talk about it.
It's not a slashdot opinion - it's the idea that you can take something from someone else who spent some money producing it for sale, and instead get it for free. And then claiming it's somehow your right, or somehow noble to do it.
But you can. You can and you always will be able to. That's the problem with data and the internet - once you get your hands on data, you can share it. And invariably, you will.
And no, there is NOTHING anyone can do about it. It has ALWAYS been so, it's no news either. Back in the days however you could only transfer cheaply what your memory could contain. No real threat except for headline news which spread faster than the newspaper can be delivered. The internet gave us the means to transmit terabytes quickly.
That has changed. But information has always been transmitted in a free fashion. To claim otherwise is just to claim that we should live in a regime where transmitting information to your neighbor is a crime. Be it over the internet, on a USB stick, on a written piece of paper.
This is insane. Copyright has become unenforceable. This is a fact, not a judgment. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying that's the way it is. Progress, evolution, call it what you will. As such, copyright needs a MAJOR rethinking.
On my fully updated IE6 on XP Pro SP3, GMail works just fine WITHOUT changing the user agent or version reply. I just checked.
Which wasn't the question. Google developped a version SPECIFICALLY for the piece of shit that is IE6. But you don't get the nice interface that they've developed since.
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Duly noted. But what about my script? I'm genuinely interested so that I can ditch dropbox and get everything from my home machine instead. So far, I've been out of luck on that one and apart from writing something in a multiplatform language such as Java, I don't see how to do it. Also, for the iPhone, apart from a native App, there's probably not much that can be done.
Right now my issue is a cretin that goes under the nick of "bmo".
Really, I'm glad you live in a world where you never have the prospect of ever being offline at all until the rest of your life.
Please stay there.
Please provide a fucking script that would be 10 lines long and do:
- a 2 way sync btw the server and the client
- compression
- encryption of the transert (Good luck with FTP dumbass)
- works on Linux, MacOS, iPhone, Android, Windows. You're allowed 10 lines per OS, I'm being generous today.
Or just shut up. Please. I'm glad I'm your foe, really. These things are so childish it really show how dumb you are.
My bad. Wifi+Internet are free all around the world since I can remember on buses, trains, cars, planes, bikes, etc.
My point really is moot and I'm stupid. It's just that I haven't been in Somalia for a while and I didn't know they upgraded their infrastructure so quickly.
Apologies.
The point is not whether you make enough profits for anyone to care. The point is that if you infringe doing such mundane things, you're pretty sure that anyone with a camera infringed at least once in his lifetime. Hence, you have the way paved for an authoritarian regime where anyone in power can bring you down at will, because of such stupid laws making sure that virtually anyone alive infringe on some stupid thing.
Ahhh, ok, I see your point finally. For you Dropbox and FTP are the same, except they are not as you just stated.
I could set up something syncing my FTP server with all my clients. Or I can use dropbox. But then, you're not comparing Dropbox vs FTP but you're comparing Dropbox vs FTP plus some of other thing you have failed to mention all along.
I guess I'm wrong stating Dropbox != FTP since obviously you just proved FTP + ? = Dropbox.
Oh wait. That makes my point.
Fine. You are of course aware that both your examples contradict mine, but reinforce my point: There are places, such as trains or planes, where you're going to be offline.
Sure, for a hefty amount of money, you MAY be able to get Wifi on your plane and/or train. But that's not sure. Even with money.
My point still stands. I'm not inserting anything!
Dude, if I (properly) encrypt a file that I send you through email, there is no way for anyone to know what was in this file. Hence, the undetectable nature of internet communications.
People will know I encrypted something. They won't know what was in there. So they won't be able to detect piracy if pirates go 100% encrypted, because they're not the only one to encrypt.
You can forbid encryption, but it will kill the internet since your passwords and credit card numbers SHOULD be encrypted for the service to have any value. Hence, no encryption means anyone can snoop. And if anyone can snoop, there is no e-commerce, no security.
Encryption also means undetectable watermarking in images, sounds, movies. Hence, it allows for undetectable communications. If is comes to that, I'm sure pirates will go down that route, although it means a great waste in bandwidth.
I'm not one of the "RAWR, I SUE YOU FOR 100 TRILLION DOLLARS FOR DOWNLOADS" freaks but, you could make the same argument about almost any crime. My city sees at least one murder a day, many robberies, embezzlement... Doesn't mean we should take any of those laws off the books.
I can see a difference btw murder and copyright infringement. Especially a difference in how the internet affected both.Maybe it's me.
I don't think there's going to be any way to "stop" piracy that doesn't involve some serious Constitutional breaches but that's kind of the same song and dance law enforcement has had to deal with forever.
I can't see a way to stop copyright infringement. For me, it's not a problem of laws and constitutions, it's a problem of technology. Encrypted communications, when done properly, cannot be detected. Period. No way to detect what's in the flow of "random" bits. How do you enforce anything if you can't detect anything?
Besides, there are kinds of information that people should get paid for. Some stuff requires a lot of convoluted research, time and, occasionally, danger. Why should people be expected to donate that kind of effort to a thankless ether? I don't see anything wrong with paying a reasonable price for something that took time, effort and talent.
Today I could download all of my music for free. Yet, I buy through Amazon MP3 Downloads. Why? It's more convenient, and I feel like I owe the musicians something. I know plenty of people doing the same. There is absolutely ZERO evidence that a thankless ether exists. And I don't feel it's wrong to pay for something. I actually don't think piracy is right, I feel is inevitable. This argument of yours is one of the worst aspect of copyright enforcers. Nothing points to the fact that remuneration of artists will vanish in a split second, and people against copyright (at least the current implementation of them) such as me don't believe it's wrong to pay for something. These are misconceptions at best.
Having said that, some of those copyright lobbyist groups really needs to get smacked down before they turn this into a freaking fascist country. It's amazing that the same group that waxes about mercy for murderers and acceptance for people who are different will also push for a totalitarian government. It's so evil until you're the one with the power.
Exactly. The fight PRO piracy à la SOPA/PIPA will just destroy the current regimes. And they won't stop piracy. So it really is pointless.
The fact that you have no clue how dropbox works wasn't that clear on your original post, apologies.
ALL files on my dropbox account are present on ALL computers synchronized on that dropbox. Hence, Offline, I can work with all my files. I don't need to think about the files I'll need.
When I'm back online, my modified files go and update themselves on my dropbox account, and they get pushed into all my computers.
You should stop 5 minutes to see how it works. It is actually pretty handy.
All your "This means" are true today. Just look around. Only the very highest profiles violations are processed by the justice.
The only difference is that, today, there is a violation. 99% of them go unpunished and unnoticed. Isn't it time to make the facts and the law adjust a little better?
Why in the world is people always saying the word Map Reduce nowerdays, I hear it every week atleast. Like it would be the solution to world war 3.
Since WWIII hasn't happened yet, you cannot rule out the fact that it *might* be the solution.
Copyright is a thing of the past. Information is freely shared by everyone. There is nothing that set a movie or a song apart in this regard.
As far as piracy is concerned, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, short of shutting the internet down. If people have access to the internet, they will be able to communicate with everyone else that is on the internet. That's the definition of the internet.
People will also go undetected. That's the definition of encryption. You just set the key size to whatever suit your needs, and nobody will ever be able to decrypt it - unless they have the key.
Make encryption illegal and you kill e-commerce right there. Still make encryption illegal? Encryption can hide itself very easily: watermarking, hidden volumes, etc.
Nah. As long as people will be able to communicate, they will be able to pirate. Internet empowers everyone with almost unlimited (as far as songs and movies are concerned) communication. That comes with unlimited piracy. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's what the internet comes with.
Hmmm. I see. Can you tell me the relevance of the port 80 in here? On a typical plane, there is no internet at all. On a typical train, there is no internet at all. Boats may be an exception.
The point being that sometimes you're offline - yes, it still happens - and you need your docs. If they sit on an FTP server, you're just out of luck.
Port 80 has nothing to do with it.
But so far, Google is in the game for profits, not for some noble quest against telcos. At least, all pointers seem to indicate that. So having Google crush competition will more likely result in nothing good for the customers - both in the smartphone and the telco arena at least.
We already saw that with the iPhone. But that was Apple. Now, as far as telcos are concerned, I don't think Google has had anything to make them bend over and squeak.
Please try again.
So, what makes you think that Google having crushed competition will bring a better overall landscape of smartphones? What could we possibly gain from such a thing?
still better than RIM's "tried it and already failed."
And being consistent at that !
He will not make any big change. He said so. He's actually part of the problem, being COO for many years. The company will keep digging its own hole. RIM investors should leave the boat now, even though you shouldn't sell when it goes down. But this one will never go up again. Maybe unless they sell.
Can you access your FTP server in a plane? On a boat? On a train?
No. And that's why Dropbox is so successful. The mere fact that you don't understand it means you've never had the need. Which makes YOU the less legitimate person to talk about it.
It's not a slashdot opinion - it's the idea that you can take something from someone else who spent some money producing it for sale, and instead get it for free. And then claiming it's somehow your right, or somehow noble to do it.
But you can. You can and you always will be able to. That's the problem with data and the internet - once you get your hands on data, you can share it. And invariably, you will.
And no, there is NOTHING anyone can do about it. It has ALWAYS been so, it's no news either. Back in the days however you could only transfer cheaply what your memory could contain. No real threat except for headline news which spread faster than the newspaper can be delivered. The internet gave us the means to transmit terabytes quickly.
That has changed. But information has always been transmitted in a free fashion. To claim otherwise is just to claim that we should live in a regime where transmitting information to your neighbor is a crime. Be it over the internet, on a USB stick, on a written piece of paper.
This is insane. Copyright has become unenforceable. This is a fact, not a judgment. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying that's the way it is. Progress, evolution, call it what you will. As such, copyright needs a MAJOR rethinking.
RIA, MPAA, and related vicious companies have won. They've created fear that they can do whatever they want without any problem WORLDWIDE.
Does anyone know how to kill them?
Sure. Continue this piracy thing. Stop buying their shit.
In all fairness, they're doing a pretty good job at that themselves. It is just a matter of time.
If it turned out that a truecrypt volume would be best for them, you can be sure they will.
On my fully updated IE6 on XP Pro SP3, GMail works just fine WITHOUT changing the user agent or version reply. I just checked.
Which wasn't the question. Google developped a version SPECIFICALLY for the piece of shit that is IE6. But you don't get the nice interface that they've developed since.