Well. It'll take that to make people think about our crappy system controlled by corporations. Then, maybe, we'll find and adopt something that actually works and is secure.
That said, I have an interior grin (correction, it just came out) just thinking about the face of the top-management at VeriSign the day they discover their private keys on the web.
Hmm. I'll call you a troll. I know a few people with Macs, and none of them has any issue (at least hardware wise) with them. Looks like you're over-generalizing on a single example. I could be wrong though.
I'm actually making a second response with an analogy. I'd have liked to find a car analogy, but I failed on that count...:-)
If a contractor comes home to do some electrical work to my house, and he refuses to install the latest el-cheapo gear I bought from eBay China (invoking some "quality" issues) then he is doing in a way the same thing you claim Apple does that makes them evil. He is creating his own walled garden. Because he knows how to work with GE's equipment (and some other vendors) and he doesn't want to take the risk to work with other stuff.
And I am glad that he will apply this critical thinking for me, because I can't make this kind of thinking by myself, because I don't know his job. To each his own.
A) No B) Well, it depends how you define evil. Every company above a certain size is spending inane amounts of money to create walled gardens for its employees. Employees not being administrators of their workstations, internet ports closed, proxies filtering which websites are "acceptable", etc. Are they all "evil" by your definition? C) No D) Nope, either.
You see, if there was no competition in the mobile OS space, I'd feel uncomfortable. But I'm glad to have a choice. I can either maintain all my phones by myself or let Apple do it. I see it as a win-win situation.
If the situation was "I can get a crappy phone or get into Apple's walled garden", I'd certainly react differently.
So the answer B applies. Apple provides a different model to manage your phone. As long as they don't get the biggest part of the market (and seeing Android numbers I think it's already the case), then all is well. Competition will rule, and Apple is no evil. Because it hasn't got any monopoly.
That would be the night I ended up in jail for assaulting a security guard. That would show my kid that freedom is worth fighting for and to stick it to the man!
That would also be the same night your kid saw you being beaten to pulp by a bunch of security guards, and then being tasered by the police..
The core of apple business is to build computers. Some are macs, some are tablets, some are phones. What are you talking about? That's where their revenue comes from. That's their business.
The whole ecosystem they build around their hardware is just there to make the hardware useful to users. Heck, they're offering iCloud for free. Are you going to claim that iCloud is their new core business now?
> They are the only American computer company that is growing right now
Apple is not a computer company. All their profit comes from the Apple Store and from the iPhone, iPad and iPods. Have a look at the numbers for their Mac sales and you will see that they are not a big computer company. Never been.
And you would be wrong. Their profit comes from selling their products, not their services. Their services serve them to sell products, nothing more. As a matter of fact, they have nearly zero margin on the AppStore and on iTunes. I dunno about iBooks though, but it has to be peanuts compared to the other two. And in terms of revenue, the AppStore is like 3% of their revenue.
All well and good, but how would any of the above be threatened by allowing you to download third-party apps?
Invariably, if there is a way to screw up your phone, my users will do, because they'll stumble on a website giving instructions on how to put this "marvelous" app on their phone.
It is generally accepted that the biggest security hurdle in computing is the user. AFAIK, Apple is the only company that has addressed this point so far.
No one would care if it weren't for the fact that you have to "jailbreak" your phone in order to do so, and that Apple has expressed that it wants jailbreaking to be illegal, and short of that, they tend to do everything in their power to prevent jailbreaking from working with every update.
Ways to jailbreak your phone are security issues, nothing less, nothing more. Can you blame Apple from closing security vulnerabilities?
Or, take android. I could stay within the official Google store, though I agree that it doesn't seem to be as well-policed as Apple's App Store. But I can also install third-party apps, even entire third-party app stores. I can even download third-party remixes of the OS itself. The fact that Google's app store isn't as well-policed as Apple's has nothing to do with the fact that Apple forces you to use their app store or hack your own fucking phone, while Google gives you a choice.
You must be joking here. Where I live, every single Android phone has to be rootkitted in order to reinstall another kernel. This is EXACTLY the same as jailbreaking an iPhone. Ok, Google is not responsible for this, it's the carriers / manufacturer. Except they let them do it, so they are responsible.
And for god's sake, Apple doesn't force anyone to do anything!!!! Nobody prevents anyone from using Android or WP7!!!! And if I choose to delegate to Apple the responsibility to make sure my users don't install a stupid app, I want to be able to do so. So I buy them iPhones.
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So you don't know the expression "grammar nazi". Fine. With the time you spend on this website, one could think you were aware of it.
Don't let reality go in the way of a proper government bashing argument please. We're all having fun here, don't spoil the game.
Go ahead, grammar nazi.
I think you already mentionned this.
Ok, you were first. Big deal. You're still responding to me though. Do you have a problem letting go?
Well. It'll take that to make people think about our crappy system controlled by corporations. Then, maybe, we'll find and adopt something that actually works and is secure.
That said, I have an interior grin (correction, it just came out) just thinking about the face of the top-management at VeriSign the day they discover their private keys on the web.
you're responding to me, moron.
It looks like you're also responding to me though
If you don't like it, why are you still there responding to my posts?
Of course. But seeing how yo u like conversation with me, y ou have to be an equally idiotic being.
ok, thanks.
Dear Michael,
you're an ignorant hypocrite yourself.
Regards.
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Isn't it more pleasant to read really? Three words... The power of these, just imagine !
No, people still compete. Removing patents doesn't stop that.
Who pays for the resources and the patent?
Hmmm, people that want to sell a superior product?
IP is stupid.
The quote of the day.
Hmm. I'll call you a troll. I know a few people with Macs, and none of them has any issue (at least hardware wise) with them.
Looks like you're over-generalizing on a single example. I could be wrong though.
I'm actually making a second response with an analogy. I'd have liked to find a car analogy, but I failed on that count... :-)
If a contractor comes home to do some electrical work to my house, and he refuses to install the latest el-cheapo gear I bought from eBay China (invoking some "quality" issues) then he is doing in a way the same thing you claim Apple does that makes them evil. He is creating his own walled garden. Because he knows how to work with GE's equipment (and some other vendors) and he doesn't want to take the risk to work with other stuff.
And I am glad that he will apply this critical thinking for me, because I can't make this kind of thinking by myself, because I don't know his job. To each his own.
What is evil in this man?
Hmmm. Let's see.
A) No
B) Well, it depends how you define evil. Every company above a certain size is spending inane amounts of money to create walled gardens for its employees. Employees not being administrators of their workstations, internet ports closed, proxies filtering which websites are "acceptable", etc. Are they all "evil" by your definition?
C) No
D) Nope, either.
You see, if there was no competition in the mobile OS space, I'd feel uncomfortable. But I'm glad to have a choice. I can either maintain all my phones by myself or let Apple do it. I see it as a win-win situation.
If the situation was "I can get a crappy phone or get into Apple's walled garden", I'd certainly react differently.
So the answer B applies. Apple provides a different model to manage your phone. As long as they don't get the biggest part of the market (and seeing Android numbers I think it's already the case), then all is well. Competition will rule, and Apple is no evil. Because it hasn't got any monopoly.
not the same thing as mobile OS market share in the US market which is what I was referring to but failed to mention entirely in my post.
There. Fixed it for you.
Learning copy/paste as we speak. Not at your level quite yet, but learning.
ur mum's face is just more too.
you're an idiot and an ignorant hypocrite.
cower in my shadow some more behind your chosen air dock based pseudonym, feeb.
you're completely pathetic.
That would be the night I ended up in jail for assaulting a security guard. That would show my kid that freedom is worth fighting for and to stick it to the man!
That would also be the same night your kid saw you being beaten to pulp by a bunch of security guards, and then being tasered by the police..
Great memories, I tell you.
The funny thing about Apple is that mostly, people complaining are not Apple users.
With Microsoft it is different because we're all more or less users of their software, or users of crap produced by their software.
The core of apple business is to build computers. Some are macs, some are tablets, some are phones. What are you talking about? That's where their revenue comes from. That's their business.
The whole ecosystem they build around their hardware is just there to make the hardware useful to users. Heck, they're offering iCloud for free. Are you going to claim that iCloud is their new core business now?
> They are the only American computer company that is growing right now
Apple is not a computer company. All their profit comes from the Apple Store and from the iPhone, iPad and iPods. Have a look at the numbers for their Mac sales and you will see that they are not a big computer company. Never been.
And you would be wrong. Their profit comes from selling their products, not their services. Their services serve them to sell products, nothing more. As a matter of fact, they have nearly zero margin on the AppStore and on iTunes. I dunno about iBooks though, but it has to be peanuts compared to the other two. And in terms of revenue, the AppStore is like 3% of their revenue.
All well and good, but how would any of the above be threatened by allowing you to download third-party apps?
Invariably, if there is a way to screw up your phone, my users will do, because they'll stumble on a website giving instructions on how to put this "marvelous" app on their phone.
It is generally accepted that the biggest security hurdle in computing is the user. AFAIK, Apple is the only company that has addressed this point so far.
No one would care if it weren't for the fact that you have to "jailbreak" your phone in order to do so, and that Apple has expressed that it wants jailbreaking to be illegal, and short of that, they tend to do everything in their power to prevent jailbreaking from working with every update.
Ways to jailbreak your phone are security issues, nothing less, nothing more. Can you blame Apple from closing security vulnerabilities?
Or, take android. I could stay within the official Google store, though I agree that it doesn't seem to be as well-policed as Apple's App Store. But I can also install third-party apps, even entire third-party app stores. I can even download third-party remixes of the OS itself. The fact that Google's app store isn't as well-policed as Apple's has nothing to do with the fact that Apple forces you to use their app store or hack your own fucking phone, while Google gives you a choice.
You must be joking here. Where I live, every single Android phone has to be rootkitted in order to reinstall another kernel. This is EXACTLY the same as jailbreaking an iPhone. Ok, Google is not responsible for this, it's the carriers / manufacturer. Except they let them do it, so they are responsible.
And for god's sake, Apple doesn't force anyone to do anything!!!! Nobody prevents anyone from using Android or WP7!!!! And if I choose to delegate to Apple the responsibility to make sure my users don't install a stupid app, I want to be able to do so. So I buy them iPhones.
You too. Just more.
What fucking long term consequence is there in buying a commodity that you'll trow away in a year or two?