"Men are still brought up to be sexist, with an attitude of superiority."
OK, maybe I'm stupid (I am male), but how can you fail to understand that this is a bigoted statement? Bigoted, and highly offensive to those of us who are NOT sexist. You know, the ones that you ought to be encouraging?
"The property of being infectuous has NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSCIOUS CHOICE!"
But it has everything to do with self-replication. A virus can reproduce itself in an appropriate medium. The GPL is a text file. It cannot reproduce itself under any circumstances ever. There do not exist media in which the GPL replicates itself without BEING REPLICATED BY AN EXTERNAL AGENCY.
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Um, if you define it as being such, yes. You haven't advanced much of a convincing argument, though.
"you can't just go electrocute people by touching them."
Nor can you transmit the GPL by touching things. Nor by running a GPL program on your computer.
"software project that acquires a piece of GPLed code and is infected by GPL as a result,"
A body part that acquires a potential difference between two points on your body and allows ions to flow along that potential is infected by moving electrons as a result.
Acquires...all by itself. The code just goes and gets all GPL-ified, without intervention of a sentient being. Look! Spontaneous generation of licensing terms! It's a miracle!
You're right. Electrocution is NOT contagious. Neither is the GPL.
Cookies are not open to anybody but cookie fanatics.
You are being silly.
"whereas in reality it only creates open code for them." Them, and anybody else who freely chooses to subscribe to the same ethic. You call them "fanatics". I call them "volunteers". You're still being silly.
How do you exploit somebody without coercion? If Free Software somehow goes all Darth Vader and "alters the deal", people who disagree with the alteration will stop volunteering.
How do you get from "People freely choose to contribute effort to this project" to "COMMUNISM!"?
"Do you object to the term "viral marketing" too?"
Yes.
Viruses self-propagate. This is an important distinction. To say that the GPL is viral is to imply that if you have a GPL program on your computer, and a non-GPL program on your computer, and you use them both, the non-GPL program will become a GPL program. That is simply not the case. This is obviously the impression that Microsoft wishes people to have of the GPL, but it is not true.
I don't care if you use the GPL or not. I just think this "GPL is viral" notion is silly. (There's a worthwhile discussion to be had over whether memes are viral or not. I happen to think that since they require a conscious effort on the part of a thinker to propagate, they are not.)
By virtue of the fact that you can avoid it, it doesn't sneak up on you from a toilet seat or a dirty neede or a crack ho or a poorly sanitized telephone, you've demonstrated that it's not viral.
As I've said before....all you have to do to avoid getting the Cookie Virus is not eat cookies.
Right, because if it weren't for the GPL, nobody would ever be held responsible for the misdeeds of their subordinates. Golly, the evil just keeps on coming!
Then it's no longer an unrelated thing, is it? It is related, it is an intrinsic part of the whole. Were it not an intrinsic part of the whole, there would not be an issue.
"MS Windows source code does not permit derived works from it"
Nor does GPLed software, unless you return the favor of freeing your own code for other people to work with. If MS Windows' license is not viral, then neither is the GPL.
I happen to think that the entire conversation is a stupid one, but heck...what's the Internet without tilting at windmills? Conflating a software license with AIDS and herpes? Come on.
I'm not a GPL advocate. I don't care if you use the GPL or not. I don't, because I can't code my way out of something that's easy to code one's way out of. However, "viral" implies some sort of surreptitious "GPL will come upon you unawares in the night, and it will GET YOU!" notion that is simply ridiculous. By the same token, sentences for breaking the law are viral, because they happen to you if you break the law. That's silly.
Um, no. That looks like a tilt sensor, like the PS3 and like all the goofy gyro-mice. The Wii controller apparently locates both ends of the controller in space. Otherwise, it would be unusable as a Duck Hunt-style gun.
That's my point. Whether it's good or not remains to be seen. The Wii's implementation is definitely something new.
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"a camera and a cell phone, the combination is more useful than either device alone"
How do you figure? A camera without a flash is useless.
That's well and good, as long as there's also a lightweight, customizeable browser option for people who DON'T want all that cruft. For me, Safari is reasonably lightweight, but I'd like more options. Firefox on Mac is huge and clunky. Camino, well, I'd sure like to like it, but it seems like the worst of both worlds.
Safari is my day-to-day workhorse browser, but I'd like to like Firefox on Mac. I just wish it was a little more Mac friendly.
"If they could just fix up their RSS support so that quotation marks, question marks, and ampersands showed up properly rather than in html code in my/. RSS bookmark, I'd be happy."
A FREAKING MEN. Why has this been a problem for a YEAR?!
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"Men are still brought up to be sexist, with an attitude of superiority."
OK, maybe I'm stupid (I am male), but how can you fail to understand that this is a bigoted statement? Bigoted, and highly offensive to those of us who are NOT sexist. You know, the ones that you ought to be encouraging?
Your attitude is the problem. Not mine.
"You cannot (legally) be accused of sexual harassment for asking a co-worker out,"
Nonsense. You can absolutely be accused of anything anybody wants to accuse you of. Go ahead and try to prove your innocence.
I find that to be 100% false in my life.
My department is seven people, plus the boss.
Oh, I understand. You're defining "average lego set" as "not Technics", after I provided a link to every Technics set currently available.
Mmmkay. I suppose you could make that distinction if you wanted to. Not sure why you would...
*eyebrow*
Uh, OK. You do understand that the Harry Potter space ship pieces work just fine with Technics, right? That being, like, the whole point of LEGO?
The motors and the sensors and the RCX, yes. Everything else is box-stock LEGO Technics.
"The property of being infectuous has NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSCIOUS CHOICE!"
But it has everything to do with self-replication. A virus can reproduce itself in an appropriate medium. The GPL is a text file. It cannot reproduce itself under any circumstances ever. There do not exist media in which the GPL replicates itself without BEING REPLICATED BY AN EXTERNAL AGENCY.
Um, if you define it as being such, yes. You haven't advanced much of a convincing argument, though.
Where are you folks finding LEGO bricks that AREN'T compatible with one another?
"The Technic sets are long gone."
What are you talking about? They're right here.
"you can't just go electrocute people by touching them."
Nor can you transmit the GPL by touching things. Nor by running a GPL program on your computer.
"software project that acquires a piece of GPLed code and is infected by GPL as a result,"
A body part that acquires a potential difference between two points on your body and allows ions to flow along that potential is infected by moving electrons as a result.
Acquires...all by itself. The code just goes and gets all GPL-ified, without intervention of a sentient being. Look! Spontaneous generation of licensing terms! It's a miracle!
You're right. Electrocution is NOT contagious. Neither is the GPL.
So electrocution is contagious, because if you stick a fork in an outlet, you're going get infected with it.
Right.
If you can't understand the distinction between a free choice and catching a disease, I don't have anything further to discuss with you.
Cookies are not open to anybody but cookie fanatics.
You are being silly.
"whereas in reality it only creates open code for them." Them, and anybody else who freely chooses to subscribe to the same ethic. You call them "fanatics". I call them "volunteers". You're still being silly.
How do you exploit somebody without coercion? If Free Software somehow goes all Darth Vader and "alters the deal", people who disagree with the alteration will stop volunteering.
How do you get from "People freely choose to contribute effort to this project" to "COMMUNISM!"?
"Do you object to the term "viral marketing" too?"
Yes.
Viruses self-propagate. This is an important distinction. To say that the GPL is viral is to imply that if you have a GPL program on your computer, and a non-GPL program on your computer, and you use them both, the non-GPL program will become a GPL program. That is simply not the case. This is obviously the impression that Microsoft wishes people to have of the GPL, but it is not true.
I don't care if you use the GPL or not. I just think this "GPL is viral" notion is silly. (There's a worthwhile discussion to be had over whether memes are viral or not. I happen to think that since they require a conscious effort on the part of a thinker to propagate, they are not.)
By virtue of the fact that you can avoid it, it doesn't sneak up on you from a toilet seat or a dirty neede or a crack ho or a poorly sanitized telephone, you've demonstrated that it's not viral.
As I've said before....all you have to do to avoid getting the Cookie Virus is not eat cookies.
Right, because if it weren't for the GPL, nobody would ever be held responsible for the misdeeds of their subordinates. Golly, the evil just keeps on coming!
"if you put it there."
Then it's no longer an unrelated thing, is it? It is related, it is an intrinsic part of the whole. Were it not an intrinsic part of the whole, there would not be an issue.
"MS Windows source code does not permit derived works from it"
Nor does GPLed software, unless you return the favor of freeing your own code for other people to work with. If MS Windows' license is not viral, then neither is the GPL.
I happen to think that the entire conversation is a stupid one, but heck...what's the Internet without tilting at windmills? Conflating a software license with AIDS and herpes? Come on.
I'm not a GPL advocate. I don't care if you use the GPL or not. I don't, because I can't code my way out of something that's easy to code one's way out of. However, "viral" implies some sort of surreptitious "GPL will come upon you unawares in the night, and it will GET YOU!" notion that is simply ridiculous. By the same token, sentences for breaking the law are viral, because they happen to you if you break the law. That's silly.
Um, no. That looks like a tilt sensor, like the PS3 and like all the goofy gyro-mice. The Wii controller apparently locates both ends of the controller in space. Otherwise, it would be unusable as a Duck Hunt-style gun.
That's my point. Whether it's good or not remains to be seen. The Wii's implementation is definitely something new.
"a camera and a cell phone, the combination is more useful than either device alone"
How do you figure? A camera without a flash is useless.
That's well and good, as long as there's also a lightweight, customizeable browser option for people who DON'T want all that cruft. For me, Safari is reasonably lightweight, but I'd like more options. Firefox on Mac is huge and clunky. Camino, well, I'd sure like to like it, but it seems like the worst of both worlds.
Safari is my day-to-day workhorse browser, but I'd like to like Firefox on Mac. I just wish it was a little more Mac friendly.
"If they could just fix up their RSS support so that quotation marks, question marks, and ampersands showed up properly rather than in html code in my /. RSS bookmark, I'd be happy."
A FREAKING MEN. Why has this been a problem for a YEAR?!