zdnet-ization.
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Case Tweaking
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Of course, without the G4 and all that yucky Mac hardware...
yes, i dont know what is with the recent zdnetization of/. first the which-is-the-greatest-laptop-in-the-world story, then the antimac rant story, now these comments. seems like they are subscribing to the flamewars-generate-hits school of thought *sigh*
which part of the subjectivity of benchmarks didnt you understand?
remember gagganators third law of benchmarking: for every benchmark showing product a faster, there is an equal and opposite benchmark showing product b faster
yesterday we got the ask/. story which laptop should i buy i just dont know
i think someone has hacked/. and is toying with us to see just how flamebait can the articles get before we figure it out
tomorrow zdnet stories will be posted ad nausem
flames and apples position.
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i cant believe this actually got posted on/.
the ranter is unhappy with some irrelevant, biased, uninformed articles, and counters with an irrelevant, biased, uninformed article of his own. newsflash: the web is full of irrelevant, biased, uninformed articles. why are we posting scriptkiddie flamewars on/.?
apples official position is here. there is nothing wrong with it. as they point out at expos, they use photoshop benchmarks because it is the app their customers use most (they actually use real jobs their customers have done, like movie posters, etc).
as anyone who knows anything about benchmarks can tell you (hopefully all of/.) different benchmarks tell you different things. use the benchmark that applies to your job/situation. yes, the g4 is much faster at floating point. yes, the pentium runs office apps much faster. whoop-de-doo. whats new here?
i will leave all the inaccuracies of the article to other posters (no, photoshop/is/ optimized for sse)
yes. os xs bsd gives me everything i like about linux. and os xs graphics and gui take it so much further
i tried linuxppc, i hear that yellow dog now has better support. still, os x is in another league. all im waiting for is the gui speed boost of 10.1 and office
the warranty is about the only thing thats better in the competition, and ive found a way to get it: buy the ibook on a good credit card. all decent credit cards double the original manufacturers warranty for free, up to a max of three years. so you get 2 years for free, and can add a third year for like $50
yes, i am suffering from ibook envy. a friend has one and after i first tried it, i keep trying to borrow it. the battery life and that cd-rw/dvd combo drive are/very/ nice
a new gateway laptop is pretty vague. how/much/ was it and what/didnt/ it have? a friends lab plopped a couple of grand on one and it had neither vga out nor ethernet nor firewire, and just one usb port. not to mention really crappy build quality (a gateway thing it would seem). their next laptop was an ibook
the main posters point still stands: unless you are wedded to x86, its hard to beat a mac notebook. that cd-rw/combo drive and 5 hour battery life for $1.5 grand is pretty sweet. and yes they run linux
How do you spell FUD? This is just silly. Microsoft have added code-signing (which I thought had been around a while) - which they could use to scare people away? How?
see previous reply. you seem to know this yourself, which is probably why you dont sound too sure of yourself I suppose they could do something by only allowing MS code to get signed or something...
They have a competing platform, in.NET. Their attempts to do something with Java, rightly or wrongly, resulted in them getting their wrists slapped. No-one at MS that I've talked to really cares that much about Java. So why should they include it?
no one at ms cares about java?! is that why theyve spent years first arguing that it was irrelevant, then jumping on the bandwagon, then trying embrace and extend, then fighting cases in court, and now coming up with c#? the only thing they dont care about is their inability to control it. um, and yes, if they did something wrongly (they did) they deserve more than a wristslap. and removing a popularly used feature, espcially when you are a monopoly, is serious
I am an *informed* user. It is my business as a user to remain informed, and to make the choices that are right for me.
within reasonable limits. i like to think i am an informed consumer too, however i do not and can not be expected to know the details of competitiveness in the electric generation and distribution system or details of monopolies or safety in the aviation industry. thats why utilities are regulated, to make sure they dont abuse their monopoly powers, and airlines checked for safety. asking the general public to fight for mp3s and not use wmp when they barely know what how to rip has been shown over and over not to work, which is why ms behaves this way in the first place
I guess I just don't understand why people are making such a noise about fairly minor complaints. My cynical side is telling me that it's indicative of a jealousy of success, but I don't think that's always the case.
reread the article. people are making noise because ms has been found to me a monopoly, and instead of showing remorse and changing their actions, they continue their behaviour unabated
"Your order will be processed and transmitted to the Pizza Station kiosk nearest to you where the order can be picked up."
there are going to be lots of people who dont pick up their pizzas, because thats not what they really paid for. there is going to be lots of free pizza sitting around conveniently placed kiosks. that is going to be one great city!
random chance bs?! you obviously havent been to the dr evil school of evilness. sure you could just shoot austin in the head, but how much fun would that be?
clean water, stability of government, debt relief, and most of all: peace all come from infrastucture (including internet access) and profitable industries
you are wrong if you think phones and the internet are luxuries
the indian government used to use labor intensive methods in order to employ the most people. for example, roads were built using hundreds of people and little or no machinery
economists now realise that only perpetuated poverty. how much work can a person do without technology? so how much can you pay them?
when the government first started investing money in the space program and information technology, everyone critisized. how can you spend money on space when a lot of people dont get a proper diet? the answer to this is that no country ever got rich off handouts. but when that money is used to start profitable industries that employ scientists and programmers, well no one is critisizing indias it industry now
i havent done any formal benchmarking, but ive found networking and java execution to be much faster. a/. poster mentioned informal apache results and promised formal ones soon. opengl is 30% faster and games developers have stated improved subsystem efficiencies (esp memory) have given significant boosts to their games (see quake iii)
mach-is-slow is a common myth probably borne from the ver 1.0. mach can actually be faster than a monolithic kernel, esp where multiple processes are involved. see my paper
no, everything is not slower. the only thing thats slower is the gui. and as jobs showed today, thats being fixed and will ship in sept
informal tests of apache show it to be faster on os x than linux, hopefully/. will post these tests when theyre complete. log in as >console and see for yourself
I had started to experiment with Linux, a Unix-like system but felt very little enthusiasm for it. Because of an earlier experience with HP-UX, I was under the impression that Unix only represented an extremely complicated way of doing things, and therefor, Unix was ruled out.
At this time, there were executables for FreeBSD available, and not knowing much about FreeBSD, I made an FTP install of 2.1.7-STABLE. The DES-client ran as expected. I figured out nice commands; 'kill -STOP', 'kill -CONT' and that putting an ampersand (&) after the command line ran a job in the background. Cool! I could manage every aspect of the program. A taste of a new world! This was very enticing.
linux: little enthusiasm
bsd: a taste of a new world!
come on, are the two that different?
this guy would probably blow his mind if he tried os x or palm os
been there, done that, and it doesnt even have the looks of the cube
youre right. desktops have expandability and low price, this has neither. laptops have portability, and without a screen and battery, this doesnt have much of that. apples cube didnt sell well either
despite claims that it would be good for presentations or an mp3 jukebox, i dont see it. presentation rooms have builtin projectors, etc and outside a room you are going to want a builtin screen. and with networked houses, there is no need to have the computer sitting next to the soundsystem or the er watcher. get a laptop instead, for the price youll get a screen too
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Of course, without the G4 and all that yucky Mac hardware...
yes, i dont know what is with the recent zdnetization of /. first the which-is-the-greatest-laptop-in-the-world story, then the antimac rant story, now these comments. seems like they are subscribing to the flamewars-generate-hits school of thought *sigh*
my tests
which part of the subjectivity of benchmarks didnt you understand?
remember gagganators third law of benchmarking: for every benchmark showing product a faster, there is an equal and opposite benchmark showing product b faster
(see also linux vs nt benchmarks)
yesterday we got the ask/. story which laptop should i buy i just dont know
i think someone has hacked /. and is toying with us to see just how flamebait can the articles get before we figure it out
tomorrow zdnet stories will be posted ad nausem
i cant believe this actually got posted on /.
the ranter is unhappy with some irrelevant, biased, uninformed articles, and counters with an irrelevant, biased, uninformed article of his own. newsflash: the web is full of irrelevant, biased, uninformed articles. why are we posting scriptkiddie flamewars on /.?
apples official position is here. there is nothing wrong with it. as they point out at expos, they use photoshop benchmarks because it is the app their customers use most (they actually use real jobs their customers have done, like movie posters, etc).
as anyone who knows anything about benchmarks can tell you (hopefully all of /.) different benchmarks tell you different things. use the benchmark that applies to your job/situation. yes, the g4 is much faster at floating point. yes, the pentium runs office apps much faster. whoop-de-doo. whats new here?
i will leave all the inaccuracies of the article to other posters (no, photoshop /is/ optimized for sse)
yes. os xs bsd gives me everything i like about linux. and os xs graphics and gui take it so much further
i tried linuxppc, i hear that yellow dog now has better support. still, os x is in another league. all im waiting for is the gui speed boost of 10.1 and office
the warranty is about the only thing thats better in the competition, and ive found a way to get it: buy the ibook on a good credit card. all decent credit cards double the original manufacturers warranty for free, up to a max of three years. so you get 2 years for free, and can add a third year for like $50
yes, i am suffering from ibook envy. a friend has one and after i first tried it, i keep trying to borrow it. the battery life and that cd-rw/dvd combo drive are /very/ nice
a new gateway laptop is pretty vague. how /much/ was it and what /didnt/ it have? a friends lab plopped a couple of grand on one and it had neither vga out nor ethernet nor firewire, and just one usb port. not to mention really crappy build quality (a gateway thing it would seem). their next laptop was an ibook
the main posters point still stands: unless you are wedded to x86, its hard to beat a mac notebook. that cd-rw/combo drive and 5 hour battery life for $1.5 grand is pretty sweet. and yes they run linux
How do you spell FUD? This is just silly. Microsoft have added code-signing (which I thought had been around a while) - which they could use to scare people away? How?
see previous reply. you seem to know this yourself, which is probably why you dont sound too sure of yourself I suppose they could do something by only allowing MS code to get signed or something...
They have a competing platform, in .NET. Their attempts to do something with Java, rightly or wrongly, resulted in them getting their wrists slapped. No-one at MS that I've talked to really cares that much about Java. So why should they include it?
no one at ms cares about java?! is that why theyve spent years first arguing that it was irrelevant, then jumping on the bandwagon, then trying embrace and extend, then fighting cases in court, and now coming up with c#? the only thing they dont care about is their inability to control it. um, and yes, if they did something wrongly (they did) they deserve more than a wristslap. and removing a popularly used feature, espcially when you are a monopoly, is serious
I am an *informed* user. It is my business as a user to remain informed, and to make the choices that are right for me.
within reasonable limits. i like to think i am an informed consumer too, however i do not and can not be expected to know the details of competitiveness in the electric generation and distribution system or details of monopolies or safety in the aviation industry. thats why utilities are regulated, to make sure they dont abuse their monopoly powers, and airlines checked for safety. asking the general public to fight for mp3s and not use wmp when they barely know what how to rip has been shown over and over not to work, which is why ms behaves this way in the first place
I guess I just don't understand why people are making such a noise about fairly minor complaints. My cynical side is telling me that it's indicative of a jealousy of success, but I don't think that's always the case.
reread the article. people are making noise because ms has been found to me a monopoly, and instead of showing remorse and changing their actions, they continue their behaviour unabated
"Your order will be processed and transmitted to the Pizza Station kiosk nearest to you where the order can be picked up."
there are going to be lots of people who dont pick up their pizzas, because thats not what they really paid for. there is going to be lots of free pizza sitting around conveniently placed kiosks. that is going to be one great city!
want *nix and office and diablo ii?
send radek. post pictures. also quicktime movie
then wipe out the HD (no random chance BS)
random chance bs?! you obviously havent been to the dr evil school of evilness. sure you could just shoot austin in the head, but how much fun would that be?
no, but i did get one from m$ this morning
cant wait to look at the file when i get off work!
clean water, stability of government, debt relief, and most of all: peace all come from infrastucture (including internet access) and profitable industries
you are wrong if you think phones and the internet are luxuries
the indian government used to use labor intensive methods in order to employ the most people. for example, roads were built using hundreds of people and little or no machinery
economists now realise that only perpetuated poverty. how much work can a person do without technology? so how much can you pay them?
when the government first started investing money in the space program and information technology, everyone critisized. how can you spend money on space when a lot of people dont get a proper diet? the answer to this is that no country ever got rich off handouts. but when that money is used to start profitable industries that employ scientists and programmers, well no one is critisizing indias it industry now
unfortunately, we wont have our own libraries, because all information will be via encrypted subscription services :(
i havent done any formal benchmarking, but ive found networking and java execution to be much faster. a /. poster mentioned informal apache results and promised formal ones soon. opengl is 30% faster and games developers have stated improved subsystem efficiencies (esp memory) have given significant boosts to their games (see quake iii)
mach-is-slow is a common myth probably borne from the ver 1.0. mach can actually be faster than a monolithic kernel, esp where multiple processes are involved. see my paper
we shouldnt have to beg corps for justice
the people to contact are your lawmakers
no, everything is not slower. the only thing thats slower is the gui. and as jobs showed today, thats being fixed and will ship in sept
informal tests of apache show it to be faster on os x than linux, hopefully /. will post these tests when theyre complete. log in as >console and see for yourself
see also soup
I had started to experiment with Linux, a Unix-like system but felt very little enthusiasm for it. Because of an earlier experience with HP-UX, I was under the impression that Unix only represented an extremely complicated way of doing things, and therefor, Unix was ruled out.
At this time, there were executables for FreeBSD available, and not knowing much about FreeBSD, I made an FTP install of 2.1.7-STABLE. The DES-client ran as expected. I figured out nice commands; 'kill -STOP', 'kill -CONT' and that putting an ampersand (&) after the command line ran a job in the background. Cool! I could manage every aspect of the program. A taste of a new world! This was very enticing.
linux: little enthusiasm
bsd: a taste of a new world!
come on, are the two that different?
this guy would probably blow his mind if he tried os x or palm os
doesnt the spec say only 16 MB?
a while ago
also sold the rights to oni, which is now out and kicks ass (not multiplayer unfortunately)
been there, done that, and it doesnt even have the looks of the cube
youre right. desktops have expandability and low price, this has neither. laptops have portability, and without a screen and battery, this doesnt have much of that. apples cube didnt sell well either
despite claims that it would be good for presentations or an mp3 jukebox, i dont see it. presentation rooms have builtin projectors, etc and outside a room you are going to want a builtin screen. and with networked houses, there is no need to have the computer sitting next to the soundsystem or the er watcher. get a laptop instead, for the price youll get a screen too
Laptops aren't designed to run 24/24h. Too much heat, components designed to be small, not very resistant, ...
speak for yourself. my powerbook g3 is running mostly 24 hr days and has been doing so for the last 3 years